Oregon coaching search shows that money won't solve every problem
Ernie Kent was fired almost a month ago, and Oregon still does not have a new head coach.
There are many adjectives to describe this coaching search. It has seemingly lacked a coherent plan. It has not been realistic, and coupled with the situation surrounding the Mike Bellotti buy-out and football's off-field issues, the Athletic Department has not been looking real great lately.
The biggest problem with the coaching search has been the hubris of those involved. First, looking back at the list of possible coaching candidates put together by Matt Daddy after Kent's firing, many of those coaches look like longshots at best. Why would Few, or Alford, or Stevens leave their situations for Oregon (let's not even begin to get into the ridiculous idea that Izzo or Donovan would)? There are two important facts that those leading the coaching search have not realized.
First, this coaching job is a rebuilding job. We may have wanted to ignore this fact for a while, but whoever comes in is going to have a lot of work to do. There is mid-level talent in the program, but it's not gonna be winning any Pac-10 titles anytime soon. Oregon hoops simply does not have a history of success. We were lucky to have the good years under Ernie, but that was not the rule, it was the exception. To build a long-term consistent winner (top half of the Pac-10) will be no easy task. For as much success as Kent had, he finished 4th or better in the Pac-10 only 4 out of his 13 years at Oregon.
Second, whoever comes in will have no clue who their boss will be. We have tried to overlook this fact, but if you're going from a good situation, with talent in your program and adequate money, why move to a rebuilding situation where you won't even know who you'll be dealing with on a day-to-day basis. It is simply too risky. Why move from an already good situation to one that could turn into a nightmare?
For coaches that have already established themselves at a school, have a good recruiting base, a good boss, and talent in their program, there is simply no reason to make a lateral (at best) move. Oregon definitely has potential, and the resources to become a great program, but so do plenty of other schools.
Simply put, Kilkenny and Knight have thought they were the big boys. They thought that they could bring in a big name coach with a boatload of money. Unfortunately, the University of Oregon is not even close to the big boys of college athletics, and a boatload of money alone will not change that. In the incredibly competitive world of college basketball, where most competent programs have a good amount of resources, Oregon can't do much better than matching that.
Moving forward, I'm still confident. There are plenty of very good coaches out there. They just don't have the proven track record of some of the coaches we pursued. But for now, it's time for those in charge to wipe the egg off their face, and move forward. Now the real, and realistic, coaching search begins.
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Second, whoever comes in will have no clue who their boss will be.
I haven’t been paying close attention to the search, but a friend (who is a duck) told me that there were murmurs that Brad Stevens and the Butler AD (former UO assistant) could possibly be a package deal. Is that still being murmured about? Or is that merely a murmur and nothing more?
I have now officially hit my yearly quota on using the word “murmur”…
From the outside looking in, I’m very curious to see who you guys can land. I thought many of the names that were being thrown out at first were pretty ridiculous (IZZO?!) BUT one should never underestimate the power of Phil’s money and the influence of large shoe companies on “amateur” athletics. Crazy show you have going on right now.
I put up a fanshot of where that “murmur” came from, here
I think it’s tough at this time to distinguish between what is rumor being trumped up by the media (Izzo) and what is fact on who is really talking to Kilkenny (Dixon). Personally, when I put my post together on who I thought would be considered for the job, I had some long shots in there (Few, Dixon, Stevens, etc). But, mostly I was thinking Oregon would go after someone younger and looking to build because of the amount of rebuilding that is going to be required.
I think the factors of the off field troubles and the AD vacancy good be negating the positives of the new arena and amount of money Oregon is willing to spend.
I’m really interested in what Kilkenny and Knight plan to do if they strike out amongst the big boys. How excited are you to coach knowing that you’re a guy’s 3rd ,4th or even 5th choice at the position?
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The fact that it is a rebuilding job made me question a lot of the names I was hearing. Bennett and especially Carlisimo don’t jump out at me as guys who are the rebuilding types. I think you’re right in that they should look for a young guy who has energy and ability and who needs a better venue (program, financial backing, facilities, etc) to grow his talent. I know I just sort’ve described Brad Stevens, but considering what he brings back next year, I think he’s quite the long shot.
He’s a long shot because of his stability he’s created. I always thought he was a long shot because of his roots in the midwest and he can “wait out” any coaching job he wants now due to his tourney run.
My thinking is trying to find the next Brad Stevens. Is that Dollar because of his recruiting prowess? Maybe try getting a Ben Jacobson from No Iowa (I know he signed an extension, but lets be honest those things are more from the AD to the coach then the coach to the AD). I don’t know, I’m really interested to see where this search turns at this point.
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I don't think young guys are any better positioned than vets in rebuilding.
I’m not really rooting for Carlesimo to get the job, but you can’t deny that the man knows a thing or two about coaching college ball. He did take Seton Hall to a National Championship game and was a pretty decorated coach in the Big East. I would suspect that he would have some good insights on turning things around.
Its not like football – bball turnarounds often can be tied to just a single player and a well coached system. They can happen pretty fast.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
so once again...IF YOU ARE GOING TO FIRE ERNIE...
WHO ARE YOU GOING TO GET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???
Andy Katz just put it best, “It’s so obvious that most of these schools don’t have a plan when they fire their coach. You must have an idea of who you can get, and there are ways to do it, before you decide to get rid of your coach.”
I am getting mixed messages from you JT. On one hand you say Ernie had to go, on the other hand you say Oregon’s success under Ernie was fortunate given Oregon’s lack of history, on the other foot you scold people for hubris for thinking Oregon is a better job than it is, etc. Well, aren’t you yourself guilty of hubris for thinking Ernie should be fired?
I think it’s pretty clear what he is saying
but that was not the rule, it was the exception
Ernie had runs his course at UO. It was time to move on. It was also hubris that lead to Kilkenny and Knight thinking they could go and throw a bag of benjamins on the table and coaches would just jump. These are mutually exclusive events, not connected. To think that we fired Ernie only because we thought we had something better is naive. Ernie was fired because we knew what type of coach he was, and we also knew what we were going to get from him.
I agree to an extent with Katz in that the plan needed to be more well thought out about the next steps, but that doesn’t change the fact that the first step (firing Ernie) was already well thought out and needed to be executed.
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How is that Naive?
If you fire a coach with the success of Ernie (Pac ten titles, recruiting, elite 8s, ACADEMIC) you better believe that you think you can get (or have) someone better in line.
They are not mutually exclusive events. The hubris exists in the fans, boosters, and administrators who believe that Oregon basketball (perhaps on the heels of the success of football) deserves/needs/is better than Ernie Kent; that is what got him fired. So when I see fans exhibit that same sort of attitude, I call them out on it. You can’t critisize the administration for shooting for proven quantities better than Kent and at the same time propogate the logic that fuels the power brokers to do so.
I won’t accept your reasoning here. “ernie had run his course at UO It was time to move on” is not an acceptable reasoning for being fired. “Ernie’s success was not good enough” is.
“If you fire a coach with the success (or lack thereof) of Ernie you better believe that you think you can get someone better in line.” – agreed.
I don’t think Oregon went into this thinking, “let’s take a step backwards in coaching, that sounds like a good idea.” I think it was a two part decision:
1. Were Ernie’s accomplishments (or lack thereof) worthy of him keeping his job another year? No. I think Ernie was fired because of what he’d done or didn’t do, not because of what other coaches were doing.
2. Do we believe we can find a better coach than Ernie Kent? Yes. Now the hubris came in thinking that all Oregon needed to do was spend a lot of money on an arena, throw a lot of money in front of really good coaches and they’d come running to Eugene. Obviously that’s not the way it’s working out.
You need to have a steady program, you need leadership in the athletic dept, you need facilities, you need backing from boosters, you need recruiting pipelines, you need the total package, and when looking around at the landscape of college basketball what “the power brokers” are finding out is that Oregon isn’t the only one that has those things. This has nothing to do with 1 or 2. It has to do with the how unprepared the “power brokers” were going into the hiring, not the firing.
You act like it was the potential hope of something better that drove Oregon to fire Ernie and none of it had to do with Ernie’s production or inconsistency. As for
I won’t accept your reasoning here. "ernie had run his course at UO It was time to move on"
I don’t think we need to go down this road again, I’m ok agreeing to disagree that you thought Ernie deserved more time to show what type of coach he was going to be, whereas I think it was plainly evident we knew what type of coach Ernie was and how far he was going to be able to take the Oregon program.
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Other thoughts:
What if Oregon doesn’t get Stevens or another big name in college?
Do they: a) move to smaller schools and look to get an up and coming guy like Bennett or even Cameron Dollar? or b) wait a few more weeks and see who’s available in the NBA? or c) wait till they have a solid AD in place before continuing the search?
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B and C shouldnt be options
AD searches usually take a while and waiting for an NBA guy is no guarantee. The longer there is no coach, the worse this turns out.
by Brian Floyd on Apr 8, 2010 12:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Just in case there was any doubt, it looks like Dunlap will not be the next Oregon head coach. It says it probably won’t be official until after Oregon makes it hire, but it appears the writing is on the wall.
don't be so sure...
Confirming that he has been in discussion for that job, Dunlap said that "I told Steve Lavin I would go back to Eugene and measure my situation there" before making a decision on the St. John’s offer.
St. John’s fans would like a couple of Oregon frontrunners, please… so our coach can put together the coaching staff. This is taking a long time!
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Speaking of taking a long time... ha, you're telling us!
Oregon fans would like a frontrunner, any ol’ frontrunner.
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by Bill Musgrave on Apr 10, 2010 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions
hey now.
I always tell people, it wasn’t that long. It was just wildly public and our newsguys came on themselves over and over to break a scoop. So much so that some things were published that we know to be exaggerations!
And then I think – if I were hiring someone and paying them million, I might want to take my time and do it right as well! I’m cheering for and under-the-radar good coach for the Ducks (my favorite left coast team).
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I was definitely kidding about "any ol' frontrunner".
No doubt, the media hasn’t helped us over here with speculation.
But it would be nice to see something look successful on the coaching search, we’ve got a blank checkbook, beautiful new stadium… and what appears to be little interest in the job so far.
Alright, I’ll be patient.
Good luck over there as well.
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by Bill Musgrave on Apr 10, 2010 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions
he has a track record of great recruiting¿
he has proven he can win big games¿
his dad is the great mike rice¿
#88
Stevens got a 12 year contract
I cannot make this up. The coaching search is making the targets rich with extensions.
Breaking news! PK just called me and said he wants to talk about the open coaching position. He is very interested in me and my coaching ability.
Now somebody make me a ten-year, $25,000,000 offer.
I don't know what all the fuss is about, we already have Matt Daddy and cougfan under contract.
PK’s problem is that he refuses to accept decisions already made by non-actual AD’s.
I forgot the beer.
by Bill Musgrave on Apr 8, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
At least we know that Oregon is good at screwing over other school’s athletic departments.
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kind of when teams picked up Darius Miles after the Blazers had him
What, they had to put him in like 2 games and the Blazers had to pay out some fees right?
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Yeah, actually 10 games and they only did it to hurt the blazers financially. Too bad there are any coaches in the Pac 10 we could try and get.
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Maybe this has been the plan all along
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Not really surprised
I kind of felt Stevens would stay because he knows he can become a LEGEND at Butler. They are already ahead of Indiana right in terms of in-state recruits and quickly gaining on Purdue.
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There are many adjectives to describe this coaching search.
“Quixotic” comes to mind right about now, at risk of sounding too pessimistic.
I'm going with Mr. Paul Mccartney on this one
“Money can’t buy me love (or a coach).”
I can haz footbawl?
"comical" and "hyperbolic" might be understated
I forgot the beer.
by Bill Musgrave on Apr 8, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Only one word comes to my mind.
F-L-A-C-C-I-D.
by HoodRiverDuck on Apr 9, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Hire Krzyzewski!
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Apr 8, 2010 5:59 PM PDT reply actions
I think the analysis is dead on.
I have one hypothesis to add: might a good coach, who usually comes with a need for a certain amount of control and autonomy, actually see Phil Knight and Kilkenny as over-involved and therefore a negative?
Obviously everyone likes money and facilities and name brand (the third of which is developing, or developing in a positive/negative fashion), I’m just wondering if the obligations that come with that are seen as a detractor.
Do we look too controlled by a “meddling” uncle Phil and Nike?
I forgot the beer.
I think this is a great point. My only thought would be I wonder how much coaches have to put up with boosters and donors already? I could see how being an employee of Knight and Kilkenny while at the same time having to deal with an AD and athletic dept might be a detractor.
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New Coach
I like the John Lucas idea that has been floated. Any updates on him??
Come Home Luke
Why not reach out to Luke Ridenour? Would certainly stimulate interest in the program.
Making $6.5MM > Trying to rebuild Oregon Ducks MBB
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How about
Barack Obama? He’s already passed health care so he has plenty of free time now. He isn’t making that much at his current job compared to our offer, he’s a player who really loves college basketball, and you know he’d love to beat his brother in law. Can you imagine the Civil War intensity with both coaches in the same family?
PK, make this happen. Well, this is about as likely as any of the other coaches you guys have gone after.
lol
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I have to be totally honest,
I am in full PANIC!!! mode in regards to the coaching search right now. HIRE STEVE LAVIN
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