Tako Tuesdays: Hate
by Takimoto on May 24, 2010 10:44 PM PDT
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PrintDisclaimer: This week's post has to do with sports, but not Duck sports. If you come here for Duck sports news, you probably don't read Tako Tuesdays very much anyway. You have been warned.
Rivalries exist in every sport, from the traditional (Yankees-Red Sox, Celtics-Lakers, or Maple Leafs-Canadiens) to the fairly recent (Yankees-Rays, Notre Dame-Miami, or Giants-Rockies). A rivalry sparks passion in a fanbase and adds an extra dash of drama to any contest. There are also regional biases and animosity, most notably an East Coast-West Coast discord that is perpetuated by the media on both sides of the argument. Combine the two, and you get two cities who are flat-out hate each other when it comes to sports.
To obtain a really passionate city rivalry, you need a number of things:
- Sports history - Whether it's one team ripping another's heart out over and over again or a hard-fought, back and forth history of competition, you need many iconic moments over multiple sports. The best example of this is New York-Boston. The Yankees-Red Sox rivalry is packed full of tradition and hatred, not the least of which is the Curse of the Bambino. Both cities have teams in all four sports, and are extremely passionate and prideful about their sports. The two modern tipping points came in the last six years, with the Red Sox overcoming a 3-0 deficit against the Yankees on their way to winning their first world championship since 1918, and New York getting revenge in 2007 with the Giants' upset victory over the then-undefeated Patriots in Super Bowl XLII. The Knicks-Celtics rivalry is fierce, but has waned recently on the account of the Knicks being horrible and the Celtics being good. The Bruins and Rangers have a history as well.
- Ideological Differences - The two cities in question have to be different in culture, different enough that the rivalry extends beyond sports and you start to despise the city itself. This is something near and dear to my heart because my example for this one is Northern California-Southern California. Both parties know that their California is the REAL California, and nothing is going to convince them otherwise. NorCal thinks SoCal is stupid, smoggy, fake, and shallow. SoCal thinks NorCal is a bunch of dirty hippies who hang out in the fog and wish they were enjoying Southern California sunshine (Gorby and CaDuck, is that about right?). The sports hate is all there: The Dodgers and Giants hate each other, a holdover from their New York days, the A's hate the Dodgers for Kirk Gibson, the Giants hate the Angels for the '02 Series (and because Mike Scioscia has a stupid face should die in a fire), the Niners and the Rams have a history, as well as the Raiders and Chargers. And Sharks fans hate the Ducks.
- Proximity - There are rivalries like USC-Notre Dame, Cowboys-Eagles, and Lakers-Celtics that span thousands of miles. But for a true city rivalry, you need to be close by. It's tough to have enough interactions with opposing fans to truly develop good hate if they're across the country.
Possible Total City Sports Rivalries
St. Louis-Chicago - The Cubs and Cardinals hate each other. The Blues and Blackhawks hate each other. All we need is some Bears-Rams animosity and an NBA team in St. Louis and we're set.
Minnesota-Wisconsin - They're off to a good start with the Packers and Vikings. The Brewers and Twins don't play in the same division and neither NBA team has had any long-term success. And can someone tell me why Florida has two NHL teams and Wisconsin doesn't have one? Ridiculous.
Seattle-Portland - Dear professional sports commissioners,
More pro sports in the Northwest. Thanks.
Love, Takimoto
Detroit-Ohio - Let's see if we can't get that Michigan-Ohio State hatred to carry over to the pro ranks. The Tigers and Indians are division rivals, as are the Cavs and Pistons. The Red Wings won't really pay any attention to a fairly new team like the Blue Jackets until Columbus starts making some noise in the win column, and the Lions play in a separate conference than both the Browns and Bengals and don't play either very often.
This is a very loose breakdown of course, and the comments section is there for a reason. Do work.
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JShufelt, benzduck, and echo31 get Stickers because I enjoy their opinions on sandwiches, I get one for finishing college (essentially), and I'm giving one to Tim Tebow. Why? Because he's Tim-frickin'-Tebow. And hopefully this mention gets me on his espn.com page.
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wtf
quinn and I don’t get one for going to see you talk on a saturday night? I call Bull!
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
I wrote this paragraph and was all ready to submit it in the morning
And since axemen and Quinney went twelve hours without whining about not getting a Keg Sticker for coming to see my presentation, they get two. Thanks a lot for being there guys, it really meant a lot. And it means a lot more knowing you weren’t there just for the Keg Sticker.
You lasted four minutes. Nice work.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
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by Takimoto on May 24, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Well obviously we were there for more than the keg sticker
We went because we have a keen love for music. And besides, Parliment-Funkadelic=awesome.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
And if i wanted a keg sticker for it
I would have slipped you a bribe when I shook your hand afterwards ;)
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
Asking for a key sticker is almost as uncool as name dropping
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I almost brought a sign to his presentation that read
“I <3 Tako Tuesdays.”
In retrospect, it wouldn’t have been quite the bad thing I thought it would be, considering the atmosphere wasn’t too formal.
I also wish I had a camera so I could have used a picture of Tako in his Goodwill “teaching jacket”, complete with elbow pads, for a caption contest.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
Seriously though
Everyone who lives in the Eugene area who didn’t have plans Saturday should have been there. Very entertaining and informative, plus we got to listen to some awesome music.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
When I get around to it, I’ll condense it into a Tako Tuesday.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
At least make sure you include the part involving the track-comparisons.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
Portland-LA in general
We hate all LA teams, f-k UCLA, the Lakers, USC, the Dodgers, etc.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
doesn't everyone hate the Lakers except for Crazy Jack at this point?
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
Blasphemy
Crazy Jack will still probably kick all of our asses, and he’s 102.
by HoodRiverDuck on May 25, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
but we dont have anything to back up dodger hate with
What Portland sports team is a rivals to the Dodgers?
"The code word for going on two might be, you know, "Mickelson,’’ because he always comes in second – stuff like that.'’
by trumpetduck on May 24, 2010 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
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Worthy of a Keg sicker?
I feel like I should say something smart.
Seriously
How many drugs were you on when you wrote this Tako?
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
He’s gonna be making first round money, and I accept bribes. That’s all I’m gonna say.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
Addicted to Quack, the home of Tako Tuesdays
A few other rivalries:
Tim Tebow – Evil
Jake Locker – Adorable Kittens
Lane Kiffin – Pretty much everybody
Pete Carrol – Deals
Al Davis – Stakes, Garlic, Running Water, and Mirrors
I will say this, when I was in Wisconsin this Winter, they televised all of the UW hockey games. I loved watching them because it was a college basketball environment while watching hockey. The fans jumping up and down and chanting the school songs in the Kohl Center was something I’ve never seen before while watching hockey.
It truly made me a fan of college hockey. Wisconsin won the National Championship in hockey and no one on the west coast knew it (or anyone ). For this reason I have no clue as to why there is no professional hockey in Wisco. There is Football, baseball and basketball, and a love obviously for hockey.
I feel like I should say something smart.
Go Wisconsin
On a related note, fuck Minnesota. Gimme that axe!
"The code word for going on two might be, you know, "Mickelson,’’ because he always comes in second – stuff like that.'’
by trumpetduck on May 25, 2010 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
College Hockey is pretty fun
I go to watch the UAA Seawolves get stomped a couple times a year. You have to question an athletics program who’s closest league opponent is North Dakota (that’s about 2900 driving miles or 2200 air miles). Can anyone say road trip? Not.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Gooooooo Away!
Gophers and beavers fan. ew
"The code word for going on two might be, you know, "Mickelson,’’ because he always comes in second – stuff like that.'’
SoCal thinks NorCal is a bunch of dirty hippies who hang out in the fog and wish they were enjoying Southern California sunshine
That’s not entirely true. Some NorCal’ers are snobby wine enthusiasts who are extremely happy that they live far enough away from Mexico that they can safely ignore it, at least until they need gardening done. These are the people whose children coined the term “hella.” Also, the Ducks would hate the Sharks, but you guys need to win something first.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Am I the only one that thinks that “NorCal” is really just Southern Oregon?
I feel like I should say something smart.
They have in and out
"The code word for going on two might be, you know, "Mickelson,’’ because he always comes in second – stuff like that.'’
by trumpetduck on May 25, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I did a little research on that. There are a lot of intense opinions (read: kinda crazy) out there about northern california and southern oregon succeeding to start their own state. It’d never happen but it’s interesting nonetheless.
Yea it would be good for NorCal
They really do hate the southerners, and the culture, economy and geography is totally different, plus who would miss Medford?
I may not miss medford
but it would suck to see crater lake, ashland and the rogue river all gone
#88
Hey now, my uncle was born in Medford.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 28, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, TQA8, you’d probably fit right in in Medford. There are a lot of things in Medford that would remind you of Southern culture.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Such as? I don't really like southern culture anyway.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 28, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
What? Like racism? Medford is the only place I can recall that has had a recent cross-burning incident.
That’s pretty much what I was referring to, but I didn’t want to come right out and say it. I was thinking about adding a (cough KKK cough) in there and thought better of it.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I am, but this isn’t a new thing and definitely not in light of recent conspiracies.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-I-L-L-L-A-T-E-L-Y"
I’m afraid of pretty much everyone on here, but now I’m a little more afraid of TQA8, especially once he’s old enough to drive.
Don't call him Numbnuts, he goes ballistic.
I am not a Communist, a Communist's lawn would never look this good.
by Bill Musgrave on May 28, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He's still in drivers ed technically
but yeah I would recommend carrying some sort of TennessIan repellent if you’re going to Knoxville in September.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
OH HAHAHAHAH GOOD ONE MAN!
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 28, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You said the Detroit Red Wings won’t pay attention to the Columbus Blue Jackets, but they did face-off in a playoff series last year. Detroit swept them.
by westspec on May 25, 2010 7:09 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I want to hate Seattle so badly, but the took the Supersonics away, I couldn’t care less about soccer and I am forced to call The Seahawks my “local” NFL team. At least as a Duck, I can hate the Huskies and as a casual Twins fan, I kind of dislike the Mariners. We really do need more pro sports in the NW. Portland needs an NHL team, but maybe not before Milwaukee.
The NHL is stupid
why are there struggling NHL franchises in places like Miami, Phoenix, Atlanta, and Nashville. The ONLY places where hockey has worked in the south have been Tampa and Dallas.
Move the Coyotes back to Winnipeg. If you can get arenas built in Seattle or Hartford, put teams there. You have to think Portland would draw pretty well. Kansas City, for some reason or another, is a really good hockey market.
The Lightning and Stars can stay because they have proven to draw pretty well. Other than that, no new teams in the south.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Also
Milwaukee, for a city its size, has a pretty saturated sports market, and they need to figure out a way to get a new arena before they lose the Bucks.
If Seattle can ever get out ot their own way and get a new arena built, a new team will be there within five years of that happening. There are too many NBA teams in crappy markets for someone not to want to go to a gold mine like Seattle.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Hockey has done just fine for itself in Southern California, thank you very much. But you’re right that Atlanta and Miami need NHL franchises about as much as they need professional curling.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Professional curling would be the best thing ever.
STILL stopping every few minutes to realize "Whoa. The Saints won the Super Bowl."
by AllSaintsDay on May 25, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
If the Panthers (Miami)
were actually in Miami I’m sure they would be a bigger draw then they are, as it is, they are in Sunrise which is 42 minutes/ 38 miles from my work in Little Havana(couple miles from downtown). It is 31.9 miles/40 minutes from my house in North Miami. Now add about 15 miles and 20 minutes to that and you have the University of Miami area. The attendance would definitly go up if it wasn’t so F’ing far away, it is closer to Ft. Lauderdale and even then its 30 minutes with minimal traffic.
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
I would really like to see Portland get an MLB team. There are great fans in Oregon who are forced to root for garbage like the Mariners.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
well we aren't really "forced"
I’m a fan of the red sox too (my family’s from boston so any words about bandwagoning……)
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
This is going to be really controversial
But I don’t think Portland could support any other major league sport. The population of the state is too small. I will be interested to see if MLS makes it. I could write an mind-numbing manifesto post about this, but the cliff notes are as follows:
Anyone who says “Portland only has one major league franchise” is techically correct, but wrong in principal. Oregon has 3 major league sports. The Blazers, Duck football and Beaver football. These two college football teams are so huge in this state, that they should be considered on par with major league. Its the same principal as SEC football – not many major sports in the area so all they have is college football and Nascar.
I agree,
and as much as I would love to see MLB or NHL move to Portland, I think it would take a miracle. Just look at all the trouble they had finding a viable location and actual funding for a stadium they last time Portland made a push for an MLB franchise. If taxpayers haven’t agreed to fund a stadium by now, they just aren’t gonna.
And the NHL needs to contract.
by HoodRiverDuck on May 25, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Population?
Portland Metro is 23rd in population in the US. Bigger than all of the following metros that have two or three major teams:
Cincinnati (24, Reds and Bengals)
Cleveland (26, Cavs, Browns, and Indians)
Kansas City (29, Chiefs and Royals)
Charlotte (33, Panthers and Bobcats)
Inidanapolis (34, Colts and Pacers)
Nashville (38, Predators and Titans)
Milwaukee (39, Brewers and Bucks)
New Orleans (46, Hornets and Saints)
Buffalo (50, Bills and Sabres)
Population-wise, we’re pretty ripe for another team. The three cities above us? Pittsburgh, Denver, and Baltimore all have multiple teams.
The issue isn’t population. But it is twofold. One is corporate support. There aren’t a lot of big companies based here, and corporate support is where teams get a lot of money. The other issue is facilities, because we know that the City of Portland isn’t going to finance anything here.
MLB would draw plenty here. The demographics and TV ratings (highest TV ratings of any non-MLB market, and higher than six MLB markets) bear that out. The reasons it won’t happen are largely political.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Fix't.
The reasons it won’t happen arelargelyentirely political.
If we build it, they will come. But we are never going to build it. And we are especially not going to build it in downtown Portland, where it needs to be. I, for one, am not driving to Beaverton to catch a baseball game.
by HoodRiverDuck on May 25, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve always assumed (or maybe hoped) that if an MLB or NFL stadium is ever built in Portland it would be in Industrial NW Portland, in between Forest Park (which would make a great background on TV) and the Willamette River.
it faces the wrong direction
same reason that the downtown skyline couldn’t be a backdrop—the outfield will face east
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on May 25, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
sun
minimize the glare for the hitters. Thats why ballparks face east.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on May 25, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s also a lot that can be said about the fact that in most, if not all, of the cities in that list above there is a lot less to do than there is here in the Willamette Valley. I know that makes me sound like a braggart, but seriously, we have it good here with the ocean, mountains, forests, etc.
This is a valid point
and part of my longer unstated argument. I don’t believe Oregon is sports-centric enough to support another major franchise. Or rather, much of the population is sports centric, but want to be DOING, not watching. I know we love us some Ducks and Blazers around here (and okay, cough, Beavers), but it’s as if there isn’t enough room in our collective hearts to break out the wallets AND divide our leisure time by more spectator sports. I am always amazed how many people think MLB would succeed here (and I know many here agree), but getting at least 35k people to 81 games? Half of them in crappy cold weather (yeah, I know, we’d need a retractable roof)? I just don’t see it. Granted, I don’t know what average attendance would be necessary to make a MLB frachise viable, but unless it’s like 18k a game, I don’t see it happening. The Rose Garden isn’t even full for every game (despite what they say – we’ve all seen the empty seats midweek, midseason) and there are only 41 of them.
dude the Tampa Bay Rays have the best record in baseball
and they fill like 1/3 of their stadium….even when the Red Sox or Yankees come to town. Christ they didn’t sell out a single WS game!
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
You hit the nail on the head with Doing
Oregonians love outdoor sports, or activities. We love getting out in the sun every chance we can and taking advantage of all the great stuff in our state. That is why I think baseball would struggle a bit. Its either crappy weather and no one wants to sit out in the rain and watch baseball. Or its sunny and people want to be out doing stuff and not sitting and watching baseball. I may be wrong, or baseball might be what people like to go do in the sun. But I just dont see it happening in large numbers all season long.
At the same time the Blazers and Ducks have ridiculous attendance numbers so who knows…
"The code word for going on two might be, you know, "Mickelson,’’ because he always comes in second – stuff like that.'’
by trumpetduck on May 25, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you here. The Blazers are indoors and a great activity when it’s raining. And when the weather is good, the games are usually going on after the sun goes down, and there are so many each year that it’s easier for the casual fan to pick and choose when he wants to go.
As for football, the Ducks and Beavers each have 6 home games this year, it’s not a huge investment. I think adding an outdoor sport that’s going on 40 or 50 times a year would be a huge failure. Hardcore fans won’t fill the stands and casual fans will go outside on warm sunny days, and in the rain once or twice.
by JonathanPDX on May 25, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
This assumes that attendance is the far and away main driver behind the financial viability of a franchise. It is probably the biggest factor, but TV revenues are huge as well. Then you’ve got merchandising, revenue sharing, other ad revenues…there are lots of things that go into it.
There are plenty of places that are warm and sunny and have things to do in the summer and yet draw just fine for baseball. Attending a baseball game is a fun (and relatively cheap) thing to do during warm summer months. Plus the population of Portland make the TV deal possible, although corporate sponsorship (as Dave mentioned above) could be an issue. A Portland team wouldn’t be able to print its own money like the Yankees or Red Sox, but they could be viable given the right ownership and proper marketing.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
There are plenty of places that are warm and sunny and have things to do in the summer and yet draw just fine for baseball.
Sure, but here in Portland the sun is rare and full advantage needs to be taken when we do get a sunny day. That being said, a nice day out at the ballpark isn’t a terrible way to spend a lazy summer afternoon.
True enough… but attendance is also a pretty big driver for merchandising and TV revenue (Jacksonville TV Blackout is a result of horrid attendance).
If I’m looking at Triple-A baseball teams, I’m probably going to overlook Portland as a baseball city. Despite having one of the largest Triple-A baseball parks in the country, their attendance has been the worst in the Pacific Coast league, and one of the worst in overall attendance numbers (PDF WARNING).
The fact that Portland has been dragging its feet to provide a new home for the Beavers speaks volumes, in my opinion. I think this is probably the last season for Portland baseball until a distant future MLB evaluation/expansion.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-I-L-L-L-A-T-E-L-Y"
Its the size of PGE Park that causes Portland not to draw well
No reason to buy season tickets.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on May 25, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but there’s no reason to think that attendance in Portland would be so low as to make an MLB team non-viable. Triple-A baseball is an entirely different beast, and it’s probably not accurate to use it as a proxy for MLB success.
Of course the whole point is moot if the city won’t help finance a stadium or make a concerted effort to court an MLB franchise. Attendance, profitability, etc. are all irrelevant if Portland spend some money to get a team in.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I agree with you Shu, about the attendance tied to merchandising and TV. And I guess I feel like my family is a case in point on the attendance thing. We live in the Portland area. I have two young kids, both boys. We are a very sports-centric family – love all kinds of spectator sports and also participate in many sporting activities. We’re a dual income family. In short, we are the EXACT target demographic (outside the corporporate luxury box demographic) any pro franchise would go after.
But we already have Duck season tickets and Blazer season tickets. We’d go to a few games, but I guarantee we’re not buying more season tickets for yet another sport.
I understand your take, but (absolutely no offense intended) the MLB team wouldn’t NEED you to go to more than a few games to succeed. Sure, they’re going to need some season seat holders from your demographic, but not a ton. In terms of attendance, they need luxury box revenue and enough population to support 22k fans a game. Portland certainly has the latter, and might have enough to support the former.
Look at Milwaukee. They support a basketball team (check), a baseball team (what I’m proposing), and are about 2 hours away from a major football team (we’ll call the Packers vs. UO/OSU a wash). Yes, there is more to do in and around Portland than there is in Milwaukee, but that’s offset by Portland’s 20% higher population. I think Portland would operate on a similar cost structure as the Brewers – not the smallest market, but somewhat below the average MLB team. But as we’ve seen, you can be a smaller market team and have success in baseball.
There are much smarter people than me who have studied these things in much greater detail, and it’s telling that Portland still doesn’t have a team (and isn’t really close to getting one). But I think that’s more because Portland’s government has decided baseball isn’t an economic priority, rather than the socio-economic demographics dictating that the city couldn’t support a team.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I think that Milwaukee is a great point of comparison to Portland, and that there is just as much to do there as Portland. They have lakes, beaches, camping, boating, etc. Most weekends during the summer, people from Chicago will head out to Wisconsin because its way better than Illinois.
But as you said, the people in charge just haven’t made any real financial commitment to bring baseball to Portland. It’s gonna take someone to really step up and make that happen. I think that Portland could support a team if it were there, but it’s gonna take a lot of effort to get there that people aren’t willing to put in.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Look at Milwaukee
This is actually a very good analogy, and I can see your point. As a matter of fact, I think I might jump online and see if I can buy some Brewer season tickets!
Your kids will love the sausage race, I guarantee it! (And you can enjoy the beer)
Defending maligned chants since 2009
It’s unfortunate, but the public funding thing is the deal-breaker. Owners have done a fantastic job of fleecing city/county governments into thinking that they are getting a good deal when they use taxpayer money to finance a stadium. And so now that there’s a precedent created, it is going to be really hard to find ownership that is willing to completely finance its own stadium (AT&T Park in San Francisco is the only one I can think of). So if Portland isn’t willing to pony up the dough, and it doesn’t sound like they are, or are even CLOSE, than there won’t be an MLB team, even though I think the city could support one.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
The Rose Garden was privately financed by Paul Allen
the city payed for a few improvements to the infrastructure, but Allen built the building itself. If he hadn’t, the Blazers probably wouldn’t still be here
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on May 25, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
That is almost entirely the key. It isn’t the lack of interest, or even the lack of location. It’s the lack of money and political prowess.
The Grand Ronde Tribe was even willing to pay for the MLB stadium if they were allowed to also build an off-reservation casino. (Not a popular choice by Oregon’s past gubernatorial candidates)
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-I-L-L-L-A-T-E-L-Y"
I remember that
really would have been a sweet deal. The Washington Nationals would be in Portland right now had the governor allowed that to happen.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on May 25, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
It would have provided a shit ton of jobs too. Two incredibly large buildings that require a large staff to operate and also encourage tourism to boot? Umm… Why was that a bad deal again?
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-I-L-L-L-A-T-E-L-Y"
This is America, we love to spend money on stuff
and now we can spend money on the chance to get even more money. Yeah, we like casinos, its never going to change. Lets build one bigger than the stadium its next to.
"The code word for going on two might be, you know, "Mickelson,’’ because he always comes in second – stuff like that.'’
by trumpetduck on May 25, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I would LOVE MLB in Portland
As a Portland native, I’ve been wanting this to happen since I was a kid. I could finally stop driving up to Seattle to watch the Mariners, which would be oh so healthy for me.
Hates that I see that can be added to the list:
Pittsburgh – Cleveland: Close proximity and the football rivalries have carried over into the states with Western PA really hating Ohio and vice versa.
Pittsburgh – Baltimore: Fuck the Ravens. They stole our rival, won the superbowl, and are a blithe on the league. I hate that any Duck has to play for them.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
I would agree if I didn't know a Steelers/Pens fan who likes the Cavs for basketball.
Only losing THREE starters from the USC game. (Offense and Defense)
Ladies and Gentlemen your 2010-11 Oregon Ducks.
Oregon-Frontrunners for the 2010 Fulmer Cup
by QuackQuackAttack on May 25, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm conflicted on an NFL one
I don’t really have an NFL team, but if I had to pick, i’m a mild Seattle fan. But Evil Doer Pete Carroll is now the coach. What do i do?
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
You do the only sane thing you can do.
Avoid that horrible league like the plague and continue watching college football.
by HoodRiverDuck on May 25, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
this is why i do homework on sunday
and watch football on saturday. I follow the NFL for fantasy football purposes.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
Same boat, but I think Pete Carroll stopped being “the devil” (yes, The Waterboy was on TV last night) when he left the Pac-10. I’m open to the Seahawks with Pete “What’s Your Deal” Carroll at the helm, I’ll be won over if they play hard and win some games.
Seahawks and Ducks are completely different animals worlds.
Would you question your fanhood to the Ducks if Pete Carroll was hired as the Head Coach by the University of Oregon?
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-I-L-L-L-A-T-E-L-Y"
Chip Kelly scoffs at this notion.
Pete Carroll won the Pac-10 77% of his seasons as USC head coach. Chip Kelly has won the Pac-10 100% of his seasons as head coach.
Stats don’t lie, Chip Kelly is a better coach than Pete Carroll. If Pete Carroll were head coach at the University of Oregon, I’d ask “who is this loser, and where the FUCK is Chip Kelly?”
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on May 25, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is such an absurdly accurate, yet misleading statement, how can it not be green?
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
by QuackinAK on May 25, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kind of a strange thrid person way to refer to your confusing comment.
Rec’d I guess.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Not at all.
I am fine with Pete Carroll. Lane Kiffin on the other hand…
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
different thing.
I’m a mild fan of the Seahawks. I’m a rabid diehard duck fanatic.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
Pittsburgh and Cleveland is a weird relationship. Browns fans hate Steelers fans, but people in Pittsburgh generally like the Cavs, and people in Cleveland generally like the Penguins. The Indians and Pirates have no animosity towards each other.
¡Viva los Patos!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 25, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Northern Texas and Oklahoma?
I know college football has all the hate, does that translate into pro sports, or I guess, does that translate to the Thunder?
"The code word for going on two might be, you know, "Mickelson,’’ because he always comes in second – stuff like that.'’
Haters wanna hate,
Lovers wanna love,
I don’t even want
None of the above.
I want to piss on you.
Yes I do,
I’ll piss on you
I’ll pee on you.
Ducks, Skins, Rays, and Blazers
by tj4eck on May 25, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for R. Kelly Chappelles Show reference.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
The many phrases of Chip
Looking to the Left
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3340/4640613833_3a9663e2d8_o.jpg
Looking Straight
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4027/4640613831_436e3c7d23_o.jpg
Looking to the Right
Ducks, Skins, Rays, and Blazers
I voted for racecar driver!
In actual racing related news, it was just announced that the rich champagne fueled jocks of the racing world (formula one) will have a race in the U.S again! Not outside of New York, or L.A, or Long Beach…But in Austin Texas. I’m looking at you Bill Musgrave!
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Bill Musgrave is not here, Bill Musgrave went away. Bill Musgrave is gone.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
Gone?
Like Chris Harper, Jamere Holland, and Aaron Phlugrad?
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Like the wind.
¡Viva los Patos!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 25, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The first rule of the Eddie Pleasant army is you do not talk about the Eddie Pleasant Army. The second rule of the Eddie Pleasant Army is you DO NOT talk about the Eddie Pleasant Army.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
Oh dear.
I am only left to wonder how Musgrave has wronged the Pleasants!!! WHYYY???
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Racecars are for pussies.
Musgrave is forever.
I am not a Communist, a Communist's lawn would never look this good.
by Bill Musgrave on May 25, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Musgrave is back in classic fashion!
Sounds like you have been hanging around The Impact a little too much though.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
See I just sent up my Bat Musgrave Signal and he comes running
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
Is there something you want to tell us about the relationship between yourself and Musgrave?
¡Viva los Patos!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 25, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
na na na na na na na na na MUSGRAVE!
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
Oh look, I found a photo of Matt Daddy and Musgrave.
¡Viva los Patos!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 25, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
What we have here, is a failure to communicate.
I am not a Communist, a Communist's lawn would never look this good.
by Bill Musgrave on May 25, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't hear you, try again.
I am not a Communist, a Communist's lawn would never look this good.
by Bill Musgrave on May 25, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, you can’t communicate with Numbnuts. It’s impossible.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
It probably is hard for Musgrave to hear me, considering that his face is probably buried in Jock Licker’s muff right now.
¡Viva los Patos!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 25, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
My face is dangerously close to making your mom's muff the new story around here, Numbnuts.
I am not a Communist, a Communist's lawn would never look this good.
by Bill Musgrave on May 25, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Well played, Mauer.
¡Viva los Patos!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 25, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Since I know you are about to ask,
Yes, I’m sure Musgrave will let you be his bitch Robin
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
You are better than this CA, go read a book and come back with something decent.
Come back in ten years.
I am not a Communist, a Communist's lawn would never look this good.
by Bill Musgrave on May 25, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I assure you that I am not better than "this"!
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Oh, ok, then my other suggestion is to STOP POSTING.
I am not a Communist, a Communist's lawn would never look this good.
by Bill Musgrave on May 25, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
10 years? That means CaDuck will be 22 when he’s finished reading that book?
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
You're assuming he'll finish.
I am not a Communist, a Communist's lawn would never look this good.
by Bill Musgrave on May 25, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Pictures don’t take that long to look at
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
I would've gone with
D us for Dookies are awesome, baby!
by HoodRiverDuck on May 26, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
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