Quack Fix: Altman hires two assistants, Horton sets expectations, Kilkenny helping with Pac-10 expansion
by jtlight on Jun 14, 2010 7:52 AM PDT
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PrintThe most exciting offseason in NCAA history continued along over the weekend, and we'll have the latest expansion news (after the jump, but check the comments as well), but first, your quack.
- Dana Altman added to his basketball staff over the weekend, hiring Portland's Michael Lee as Assistant Director of Basketball Operations. Lee grew up in Portland and was a star at Jefferson High, and went on to play basketball at Kansas, where he also served as a graduate student manager when Kansas won an NCAA title in 2008. Recently, Lee has has been working as an assistant coach at Gardner-Webb for the last two years. This seems like a great pick-up for Altman, as he's bringing in a young coach that should have some strong ties in the Portland area and will hopefully bring a strong ability to recruit that area. Altman also hired another former assistant from Creighton, Kevin McKenna, who has been the head coach at Indiana State for the past three seasons.
- The College World Series bracket is just about set for this season, and Oregon coach George Horton already has his sights set on Omaha for 2011. While I'm still celebrating the great Oregon season, Horton seems restless already, and, with the college baseball season not even over yet, seems focused on the task at hand already. With Oregon returning a lot of talent, and bringing in more talent with their recent recruiting class (including center fielder Connor Hoffman and first baseman Tyler Kuresa), the Ducks look to be set up well to improve next season, and Horton is expecting that to be the case.
- Pat Kilkenny has gotten some big things done for Oregon, and now he's throwing his weight behind the Pac-10, as he insisted that Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott use Kilkenny's private jet to visit Big XII country over the weekend (warning, it's a Canzano link). Scott racked up some serious frequent flyer miles with Air Kilkenny, visiting Utah, Oklahoma, College Station, Lubbock, Autsin, and finally, Kansas City. Kilkenny was a strong influence on getting Scott hired to his current job, and is now helping Scott in the quest for Pac-10 domination, and the steps toward a college football playoff.
- The big expansion news over the weekend centered on Texas A&M, and their rumored decision to join the SEC, though it seems that reports of that move may be premature as the Texas A&M regents will be meeting on Thursday to make a decision. Some other groups are trying to slow the move for Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and OSU to the Pac-10. Big XII commissioner Dan Bebee is making promises he won't be able to keep in order to save the conference. Meanwhile, we hadn't heard from the Texas legislature in a while. They must have felt so left out. So they're trying to get in on the action as well. In response, it seems the Pac-10 is putting deadlines on each team, though this all may be for nothing, as Texas may be staying with a 10-team Big XII after all.
- Still wondering about the financial benefits of expansion? Patrick Rishe of Forbes clears that up pretty well and argues that all schools stand to benefit in the Pac-10.
- Lastly, SBNation's Andrew Sharp has an article on one of my favorite topics: the NCAA's total incompetence and corruption. It's quite a long read, but covers the UCLA teams under John Wooden as well as the latest sanctions against USC, and ultimately talks about the payment of NCAA players.
Lots to talk about today, so leave your opinion below. GO DUCKS!
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Here’s Chip Brown’s morning earth-shattering tweet:
Here is the latest bombshell in college realignment: Texas willing to commit to 10-member Big 12. …
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
I'd go with Chip Brown at this point
People named Chip tend to be men of integrity.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
At this point, I’m leaning towards Schad. This Big XII with 10-teams thing makes little sense, and this seems like a ploy for Texas to put the pressure on A&M, and make them look bad.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Is the SEC wanting to expand past 13 teams (including A&M)? 13 doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. Who else would they look to grab? Miami? VaTech? GaTech?
by SeattleDucks on Jun 14, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
My money's on Chip
simply because this would be the first time he’d been wrong.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 14, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I just really can’t take Brown seriously with this one.
The first subhead is YOUR MOVE TEXAS A&M
Then, later:
So hold on folks. This is about to get interesting. The key in all of this now is Texas A&M will come back to the table and rethink its position on leaving for the Pac-10 and is considering the Beebe proposal. […]
But with news that Texas is now willing to stay put, the Big 12 just might survive after all. Texas A&M, it’s your move.
Brown is a Texas mouthpiece, and he’s been right about a lot of things because of it, but he’s driving the narrative as Texas wants it driven. This is exactly what Texas wants. They don’t want the break-up of the Big XII on them. This article could not have been more slanted in putting all of the blame on A&M.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
A beat writer shilling *for* the team?
So that’s what a Bizarro Canzano would look like.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 14, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Your reasoning makes sense, but, if that’s the case, how stupid does Texas think the general public is? They’re driving the bus. I know that, you know that, Nebraska knew that, Larry Scott knows that, Dan Beebe may know that, depending on whether he’s had his meds this morning…
Besides that general perception, there’s the fact that their regents are meeting tomorrow, and everything we’ve heard has said that’s when the decision will be made. And they’re not so dumb as to ignore the millions of extra dollar signs floating around out west with the proposed Pac-atron. So unless this Hail Mary by Beebe has any substance behind it, Texas is going to be leaving the Big XII. And everyone will know that they made the call.
I don’t think you’re wrong, but I’m not quite as sure as you that it’s just posturing, because if it is posturing, it will be as transparent as glass in a couple days.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
It won’t be transparent if Texas A&M leaves for the SEC, then poor Texas, they did what they could, but they just couldn’t keep the ol’ Big XII together.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Doc Saturday likes your line of thinking, JT
One of the keys in Beebe’s survival plan is the commitment to a 10-member conference, which will only happen if A&M rebuffs overtures to the SEC for a commitment to a reduced Big 12; otherwise, the Longhorns will simply be left with no choice, you see, just as they were left with no choice after Nebraska responded to an ultimatum to save the conference by defecting to the Big Ten. That way, the most powerful team in the conference – the only one that could have put an end to all movement by declaring its firm commitment from the beginning – can pin its disintegration onto the ’Huskers and Aggies. Their hand was forced, see?
by SeattleDucks on Jun 14, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Here’s the EDSBS take on Schad v. Brown.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 14, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
The Big 12 isn't going to be saved.
No way, no how.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 14, 2010 8:08 AM PDT reply actions
I'm confused
I think its best I don’t worry about it til something actually happens.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I still don't care
Say that the big 12/10 stays together. We go get Utah. Then we have a conference championship game, and the top 2 teams we wanted as late as june 1st. Just fine with me.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
ah crap, Kenny Wheaton’s gonna score…
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
Kenny Wheaton's gonna score
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
At some future moment in time, Kenny Wheaton will, while having full possession of the football, cross the line on the field demarcating the zone that caps the bounded playing area, thereby resulting in points being awarded to his squad.
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by Gorbachav5 on Jun 14, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
erm i've got to go with the standby here
everyone who said Kenny Wheaton’s gonna score gets a point. Tako Wins
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
Well of course you see that photo and you think “Kenny Wheaton’s gonna score”. But I thought this contest was about art, not your conformist history! Man, you’re just like Texas!
Congrats Tako, I’ll get you next time!
by JonathanPDX on Jun 15, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Tako needs to send me his address within 30 days or he forfeits the prize
per the non-profit legalities of our country.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
As I read the decision by axemen23…I read between the lines and there was nothing but a lot of envy. They wish they all were HRD. Today I got a purpose for really wanting to dominate for another 10 years.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Happy I Hate Washington Day to all, and to all a Huck the Fuskies.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 14, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
No matter what happens when all this expansion/alignment finishes; I have never been more excited to watch Big 12 football next year and see the hate-fest that will definitely ensue.
How great will Nebraska vs. Mizzou 2011 be?
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
It may not happen
Rumor is that Nebraska may have only one season left in the Big 12.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I haven't worried even once, because we're in a no-lose situation.
If Texas et al. go elsewhere, we never had them to begin with.
If they come to us, then kick ass, Austin road trips incoming.
If ‘settle’ for Utah, fantastic. That’s the Pac-12 we all envisioned anyway.
This whole situation amounts to incredibly entertaining theater for the most part.
Chip Brown is now reporting that Texas has been convinced to stay in the 10 team big 12 and will announce as early as today.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
ESPN now saying Beebe is confirming this to the NY Times
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
HoodRiverDuck now reporting that Texas AD DeLoss Dodds received suitcase full of nonsequential unmarked $100 bills on his desk when he arrived at work this morning.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 14, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
But did he get to ride on Kilkenny's jet?
I think not.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
ESPN Rumors say Oregon becoming QB U
I can’t link since its Insider but a snippet:
There’s certainly a need to pad the quarterback position in Eugene what with the loss of Jeremiah Masoli and the top two contenders for the starting spot being a sophomore and junior.
So who will the Ducks take in 2011? Three names top the list, and Jerrard Randall, the No. 8 passer in the class, is looking more and more promising.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Costa will always be a junior
He will never leave until he learns some important life lessons and wins the heart of Andie McDowell.
by grimc on Jun 14, 2010 12:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Babe,
I’ve got you babe. I’ve got you babe. I’ve got you babe.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 14, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He better get started on those piano lessons and CPR training.
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
oh my god. Prehmmr just came up with the best name for the pac 16 if it split into the two divisions
the 2pac conference.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
YEEAAAAAAAAH
Prehmmr RT @TonyDiFrancisco: RT @espn_OTT_FB ESPNU 150 quarterback Jerrard Randall commits to the Ducks -
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
Note than Randall has not yet taken a visit, and thus cannot officially commit (per Kelly’s rules). He’s also camping at Florida later this month.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Yep.
I also dont trust commits from Florida this early in the year. I was so stoked a year ago when I thought we had a commit from a speedster named Ethan Grant. Lets hope Urban Meyer does not offer this kid!!!
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Is Texas a drama queen or what?
This is just crazy news. I am still very skeptical of this new Big 12 lite or whatever it’s called; how is it possible that the Big 12 teams would stand to make $17 million per team with no conference championship and only 10 teams, most of whom aren’t marquee football programs? And no conference network either, just a UT network. It doesn’t make any sense.
Regardless, I have no issues with adding Utah and being done with it. In fact, I’m very happy that we’ve basically been able to pursue the teams we’ve wanted and that we have for the most part dictated our terms. I like this Larry Scott dude.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
Not really a drama queen, but batshit crazy.
If Texas decides to stay put, they have basically lost any shred of credibility they may have had as a sane institution. In other words, DeLoss Dodds is confirmed as this individual:
(Pretty sure EDSBS made this corollary already, but can’t find the thread.)
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 14, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
No kidding.
The 17 million figure that Beebe pulled out of his ass is just absurd.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Is ESPN insane though?
They are basically paying a TON of money for 2 marquee programs. It still seems ridiculous even with Fox coming into the picture. Are they that worried about getting outbid?
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
WHAT'S THAT YOU SAID?
ESPN CAN’T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF THOSE FUCKING VUVUZELAS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 14, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
WHAT?
I CAN’T (BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ) HE (ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ) AR (BUUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ) YO (ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ) U!
I like the buzz
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
Sounds like the remaining Big 12 teams (Texas) is about to buy a lemon
Up to $25 mil PLUS the option of starting their own network??? Ridiculous, how can they not see through that? There is no way those numbers are legit. That’s like when you go to buy a car and the salesman says to name your price and put it on paper and let’s see what the numbers can do. Crazy talk down there.
The big thing is that Texas will get almost all the money
There is no equal revenue sharing like the Pac-10 was proposing
Agreed
I think that actually makes for a weak conference. Look at how Nebraska responded to Texas’ “Driving the bus”. If this stays together, the Big 12 (10?) loses a ton of respect and credibility. I’d maybe consider putting them below the Mtn West in terms of conference strength for football.
Very top heavy conference
OU and Texas are well above everyone. Overall conference strength is very poor; I’d rate the new (or old) Pac-10, Big-10, SEC, and ACC as better conferences top to bottom. I don’t see how they are that marketable. I understand ESPN fearing Fox though, the whole West Coast market is a sleeping giant.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
ESPN is scared of Fox
They will take a gargantuan loss to stop the Pac-16.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 14, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Not that long ago, I was happy with the idea of adding Colorado and Utah. Then the news of the 6 Big-12 teams coming on board made me really excited. Now that maybe the 6 teams aren’t coming and we’re back to the original Colorado and Utah additions, I’m still excited. What I can’t get behind though, is the Big 10 and Big 12 having to maybe change names. I don’t think I could get used to that switch.
I'm all for agents paying players, but the problem then becomes
When are the new car dealships going to open up in Eugene for the UofO players who are making crazy money. After all I am pretty sure we could actually get more people to come if we could openly pay the players.
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
Please, let's not go there, OK?
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
by Famous Duck on Jun 14, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm actually coming around to loving the idea of 12 instead of 16
but, then again, we don’t need the money like you do
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Quick question. If CU couldn’t afford to buy their coach out of his contract, how are they going to afford to buy their way out of the Big 12 if Texas and the rest stay there?
I read something that the Pac-10 would help them out.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Why? It increases the footprint for our TV network, and lets us add a championship game. Sounds like a great plan to me.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I will be in Denver next month
I think maybe I’ll drive out to Boulder while I’m there and check it out.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
It's a great city
I’m here in Boulder working for the summer and this place is like Eugene’s sister city. Love it, reminds me of home; good food, weird people to stare at, and lots of mountains.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
Was just in Boulder last week.
Reminded me so much of Eugene it was scary.
Great little downtown area (unlike Eugene, they left at least part of their pedestrian mall intact). Nice neighborhoods. Attractive campus. Crisp mountain air.
Really a very nice place, far enough from Denver so you don’t notice the stink.
I would do this road trip.
[em] this sig for rent [/em]
Chronic.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 14, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Latest Expansion rumor - Former Big 12 to offer Invites to Air Force and BYU
http://twitter.com/1049TheHorn
This just reeks of desperation.
But it will produce $17MM per school per year!!!!
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
I just don't see how those ten teams could generate enough interest that would warrant that amount
B
They won’t. When the new negotiations come around and everyone ends up making about $10MM each and Texas is raking in $15-18MM with their own medial deal, we’ll have to hear about this all over again. They’re putting a bandaid on a broken arm and hoping people just forget about the pain
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
Swing and a miss
104.9 The Horn DID NOT report that Air Force and BYU would be two new Big12 teams.
They said they were hacked. Sweet work, radio station.
The big board is up... and Oregon has rebounded...
and EDSBS pull no punches:
JEREMIAH MASOLI IS POLYNESIAN FOR RYAN PERRILLOUX: The former Heisman candidate and starting Ducks qb finishes his career with a traffic stop and suspended license combo and one point for Oregon’s repeat performance, thus adding three points to the grand total of the 2010 Ducks Fulmer Cup effort. This only strengthens the theory that those who play qb for Chip Kelly develop a strong miscreant streak or have their knees explode, both fates better than being a quarterback named “Leaf,” which is the third and most dire option.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
It's about damn time that Florida creeps up there.
Geez.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Great news!
My alma mater Duke and my hometown team Oregon are both in the top 5, and within striking distance of first place! I never knew ECU and Minnesota were so highly ranked.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
so if texas stays in the big "12"
it seems natural we’ll invite Utah.
But I would imagine the big 12 would invite two other teams. It would seem easy for them to invite TCU.
Then BSU would be in just as bad of a situation as the WAC
If they invite TCU, they're dumber than I'm giving them credit for
The bar is already low, this would put it at ground level.
A&M
http://twitter.com/billyliucci/status/16180225435
One thing’s for sure…A&M fans are unified in one belief: “SEC or bust!!!” Anything else will leave most Aggies very unhappy
I think there’s going to be a solid push from A&M to walk. If so, and a decent chunk of blame goes to A&M, and UT is free to do whatever they want, then their political skills are freaking amazing.
And if they all stay, and the ESPN deal is real (and presuming there isn’t a big catch in it), then the implications for college football are staggering. ESPN isn’t going to sign anything more than a minor loss-leader, and it’s time to seriously re-evaluate what everything is worth if the rumored numbers are real.
What the hell. I’m done trying to figure out this expansion bullshit. I’ll just wait until we have official word and stop speculating.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 14, 2010 3:33 PM PDT reply actions
Thus demonstrating a level of maturity highly uncharacteristic of your demographic cohort.. Well done, lad.
[em] this sig for rent [/em]
Thanks, grandpa.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 14, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep.
I’m with ya there. Everything went so fast last week, all of the sudden the Pac-10 wanted to go apeshit and steal half of the schools in the nation, Nebraska bolted and CU ended up a member of the Pac-10. So far this week (granted, it’s Monday), everything just seems like a good ol’ fashioned Texas standoff.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Really?
They’re not even waiting for the board of regents to meet? Wow. Dan Beebe must have really made a sales pitch.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
And I’d appreciate it if someone broke it down for me; how exactly are they getting $20 – $25 million a year?
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Step 1) Listen to Dan Beebe.
Step 2) Watch conference almost disintegrate.
Step 3) ?
Step 4) PROFIT!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
reminds me of...
Oregon coaching search, except in this case wait for the Pac offer after flying around in PK-One and get big money from current conference.
I see your Quack is as big as mine!
Under the deal they get to make their own all-Texas network. That’s expected to net them around 5 mil/year. That’s on top of whatever the conference package split is, which is where these 20-25 numbers come from.
Okay, I get that, but where’s the other $15 – 20 coming from? You lose Denver and Nebraska (plus the national following that Nebraska has), and you increase the TV deal (currently at $78 million) by 50 – 100%? That seems ludicrous.
Whatever. Hey Utah, what’s up?
Defending maligned chants since 2009
THEY are not
Texas is. It seems from what I’ve read that Texas has actually finagled a way to get an even larger share than they had before, and have increased the death grip they have on the other schools in that league. I don’t get it with regards to OSU, TTU et. al. I understand ISU, KSU, and UM have no choice at this point, but it really seems they are bent over a barrel. Honestly, I am almost glad we don’t have those fuckers in the pac.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
And the fans at Iowa St go wild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats Iowa St, Kansas, and KSU. You just avoided obscurity.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
the aTm blog has this right on the money...
So, basically, Nebraska and Colorado left in part or because of conditions in the conference that they felt made for a competitive imbalance; now, in order to keep the remaining ten schools together in the conference, those schools have to agree to concessions to texas, which would undoubtedly widen that competitive imbalance. If I’m not mistaken, these people are suggesting rewarding texas for ‘saving’ the conference from the very situation that they helped create.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
by Matt Daddy on Jun 14, 2010 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Q: How come Oregon State players haven't gotten in trouble for stealing anything from a frat house?
A: Who wants to steal a lunchbox?
by QuackQuackAttack on Jun 14, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone has sad that the situation between the North and South was really ugly, with Texas running the show, and that opened the door for Nebraska and Colorado to walk. Well, now even if they survive at 10-schools, we know that 4 or 5 of them were going to either get left behind or walk away on their own.
Will those schools ride the Texas coattails and pray every day that nobody makes Texas a better offer? Or will they start looking for ways out, like A&M is, and try to get a good spot at the table when the dominos finally fall? If I were Kansas, K-State, etc. I would be looking at all my non-Big-12 options because the writing is on the wall. If these contracts continue to grow with each cycle then sooner or later you’ll be right back where you started, and you already know that when it hits the fan Texas does NOT have your back.
In the meantime the Pac-12 with Utah and Colorado doesn’t sound that bad to me. AND we totally screw Boise State over because their new “almost BCS” conference just lost one of it’s best players and their biggest “We belong” banner team.
It really is funny how the MWC was THAT close to getting a BCS bid, and now they’ll probably lose Utah and be stuck in obscurity.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Then they could merge with the WAC. Make the “Mountain WAC.” A SUPERCONFERENCE
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What I'd like to see:
Larry Scott offer Kansas an invite.
or another Big 12 team.
See if the conference holds then.
Q: How come Oregon State players haven't gotten in trouble for stealing anything from a frat house?
A: Who wants to steal a lunchbox?
by QuackQuackAttack on Jun 14, 2010 4:19 PM PDT reply actions
So now that it’s the Pac-12…
Would you nine conference games, or go with 8 (division + 3 cross) like the current 12-team leagues do?
I like Wilner’s Zipper split (natural rivals in different divisions), how would you all like to see it? I’m saying split it [ UO, UW, UA, Cal, Colorado, UCLA] vs [OSU, WSU, ASU, Stanford, Utah, USC]. Would you share a division with USC or not, especially with this uncertain sanction outlook?
Since, as we’ve learned recently, we can totally bank on the inevitability of Utah joining the league, and should look forward accordingly.
I hate the idea of a 4th OOC game, but it might be the only way we ever get 2 BCS bids
Also, you almost have to split the rivals so that NW teams get to both North and South Cali every year
Even if you zipper split, you won’t get to both places in California every year. What if it’s Oregon’s year to play @ Cal and home vs UCLA, but also the year they skip USC? It’ll happen every once in awhile since with the rivals split, you’ll only play three out of every five of the other division’s teams.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
You mean three out of every six, right?
Don’t see why you’d have to split the rivals.
Consider:
P12 North — UW, WSU, UO, OSU, Colo, Utah or whoever.
P12 South — Stan, Cal, USC, UCLA, Ariz, ASU.
Each year we play the other 5 P12 North teams and half the P12 South.
Year 1 — @ Stan, USC, @Ariz
Year 2 — Cal, @UCLA, ASU
Year 3 — @ Cal, UCLA, @ ASU
Year 3 — Stan, @USC, Ariz
So every other year you only have one road game against the other division.
So you don’t get to both places in California every year? Why’s that a dealbreaker? You are at least getting to California somewhere every year.
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I don’t know if you’re responding to me, but the zipper split wasn’t my idea. I don’t like the idea of splitting up the rivals.
Anyway, I think most schools NOT in California want to get to SoCal every year. They’ll settle for every other year, but I don’t think it’s ideal for most of them.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
If you aren’t going to do a full round-robin, there’s no point in having more than 8 conference games in a 12-team league.
Two 6-team divisions. Play each team in your division every year, and half the teams in the other division. Voila, 8 games.
Works for the SEC.
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I say fuck everyone else.
Go full round-robin in the new Pac-12 and play your 12th game against Creampuff X. Fuck the BCS NCG. Fuck everyone but our own little conference.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 14, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Florida says we should play Charlston Southern State Tech College.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
And deaf
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Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
I have watched a football game at the Louisiana School for the Deaf. It was, in fact rather awesome.
Except that my friend got burned on a fake punt.
Unless Larry Scott plans to invite San Diego State, San Jose State, Cal State Fullerton, Fresno State, Portland State, and Hawai'i, it ain't the Pac-16.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 14, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
huh?
Q: How come Oregon State players haven't gotten in trouble for stealing anything from a frat house?
A: Who wants to steal a lunchbox?
by QuackQuackAttack on Jun 14, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It's still the Pac-11
I will believe nothing until Utah has signed on the dotted line.
Strike that, I believe nothing until Colorado is actually on our schedule for 2012 til infinity.
not the zipper
I wrote about why it’s horrible a few months ago:
http://cfn.scout.com/2/947533.html
Basically, a horrible idea all around. One thing which might be workable is to split into North-South divisions but stay with nine conference games, and have inter-division pairs rotate on a 3-year basis. For instance, Oregon’s 3- year rotation could be:
1
@ Cal, vs Stan
@ UCLA, vs USC
2
@ ASU, vs Ariz
vs Cal, @ Stan
3
vs ASU, @ Ariz
vs UCLA, @ USC
So four games in CA every 3 years, which is better than the 3 in 3 years you’d get from doing 8 game schedules. I doubt anyone would be thrilled with that setup, but I’d be stunned if the CA schools OK’s getting split up, so it may be the most workable solution.
The other solution might be something like the zipper but guaranteeing the CA schools get to play each other every year, which would make working the schedules a real mess.
Well, this is interesting
from The Ralphie Report
The battered Big 12 may be on the verge of survival after a source close to the Pac-10’s expansion negotiations told The Denver Post today that Texas is insisting on better revenue sharing and its own network.
“In the 11th hour, after months of telling us they understand the TV rights, they’re trying to pull a fast one on the verge of sealing the deal in the regents meeting,” the source said. “They want a better revenue sharing deal and their own network. Those were points of principle. (The Pac-10) wants to treat everyone fairly. It’s been that way for months of discussions.”
that's really interesting
I guess the real question is just how much Texas insisted on (how unequal the revenue splits would be, how many rights LSN would have) before figuring out who screwed this all up. If it was only somewhat unequal revenue, and not many LSN rights, I am NOT a happy camper at league management right now.
If it was major revenue splits and large-scale LSN rights, though, screw them.
As do I
but this week has done not much but reinforce for me that nobody, including especially the media, knows jack shit about jack shit.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 14, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't you get it?
NOTHING MAKES SENSE ANYMORE! NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 14, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The New BCS Formula makes PERFECT Sense:
[Basketball Wins + Decathalon Points] + [4 and 5 star recruits + former players currently in the NFL] / [Number of teams that a random sampling of newspaper reporters think could beat you x Fulmer Cup Points] + [Golf points if under par – scoreless baseball games] + [Number of days in the offseason you were in the top 10 on Twitter searches – Number of days another team in your conference had more mentions at ESPN.com] = National Champion
by JonathanPDX on Jun 14, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think you’re confusing the BCS formula with “What goes into AP votes”
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 15, 2010 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Uh Oh Spagetti Os
RT @Prehmmr Maybe I’m told of it yes. RT @LJGinger: @prehmmr is the rumor I’m hearing true about Diante Jackson leaving Oregon?
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
i like the kid
but I just get the feeling that he too cocky and this wouldn’t bother me that much.
Stackin' wins like legos; toastin' Pac-10 like de eggos
He's a tank
and from what i’ve heard/seen he’s not any more cocky than some of the other guys who are around. I have a hunch this is grade-related, but its just a hunch.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
is it just me or...
does it seem like our highly recruited WR’s sort of bust and our walk on/not heavily recruited WR’s turn into stars
Stackin' wins like legos; toastin' Pac-10 like de eggos
well lets take a look at that
2010 Mock Depth Chart: Jeff Maehl (converted DB not heavily recruited out of CA), DJ Davis (Moderately recruited, enrolled early, did jackshit for 2.5 years), Lavasier Tuinei, 2* Recruit out of Hawaii, Diante Jackson (High Recruit, N/A).
Also, wouldn’t be a kick in the balls if he went back to colorado right after they joined the pac?
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
I wasn't going that far down. If we're doing TEs too
Naderris Ward and Dion Jordan are both linemen now.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
so basically
ours WR’s are coin flips on whether they turn out good or not
Stackin' wins like legos; toastin' Pac-10 like de eggos
Hold your horses there.
DJ Davis (Moderately recruited, enrolled early, did jackshit for 2.5 years)
DJ Davis was a four-star recruit with offers from half the Pac-10 schools. He played in 2007 as a freshman, catching a very important touchdown in our win over ASU from Dennis Dixon. He also was injured in 2008 during the Stanford game, which was his first career start. So “jackshit” is kind of harsh considering the circumstances.
Lavasier Tuinei, 2* Recruit out of Hawaii
Lavasier Tuinei was a three-star recruit out of California.
You summed up Maehl well though.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 14, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I must be stupid, because I've tried all day and just can't figure it out... someone help.
So the Big 12 is going to give up two schools get rid of a conference championship game and then give the biggest TV draw school in it’s entire conference it’s own media deal, and they are going to magically double their payouts to schools from ~$11MM to ~$17-20MM?
How is that possible?
So these are from reports that Fox is going to be making this deal (which they currently have with the Big 12). Why would Fox pay that amount when the team that is going to be garnering the most demand for games will hardly be shown on their affiliate? Is the LSN (Longhorn Sports Net) not going to show the football games and try to make $3-5MM off other sports (doubtful)? So Fox is going to get this type of revenue from showing OU vs OSU? TTU vs aTm? Baylor vs Iowa St? Mizzou vs Kansas?
Where’s the draw when you have a competing network in the same conference from the biggest supported team? This isn’t OSN showing games that FSN wouldn’t normally carry when Oregon was an up coming program and UW and USC carried the weight. This is freaking Texas taking viewers away from Fox: the biggest TV draw in that conference, taking it away from the one paying all the bills.
Finally, what if Fox reneges on their verbal “deal” with Beebe?
What if Fox, now that they have time to do their research and aren’t required to just give Beebe a number over the phone so he can tell somebody something, come to the conclusion that showing games of Mizzou, Baylor, Iowa St, TTU, OkU, Ok St and aTm isn’t worth the $17-20MM they originally told Beebe they could come up with? Who’s left holding the bag? Texas still has their own personal media deal and while other conference are in the $20MM+ range all the schools in the Big 12 will be left holding another $10-12MM pile of garbage while Texas takes their uneven revenue and personal media money to come closer to that $20MM than anybody else.
How are Big 12 AD’s not seeing right through this?
What am I missing?
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Even fake money.
Witness the success for how many years of Bernie Madoff.
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Imaginary money is very tempting
Especially when it doesn’t require any effort on your part. This is why all those get rich in real estate seminars are so successful. It doesn’t really matter if its true.
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Doesn't make any sense to me either
Good points, I agree with all of them. This whole thing is a giant WTF.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
I fell like Beebe is going to bed tonight thinking, “I can’t believe they bought it?”
He seriously just sold ice to Eskimos.
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My understanding
is that the LSN is going to be much like OSN, in that it will shown the Texas games that aren’t nationally televised. I could be wrong on that, but its the only way that this makes any sense whatsoever.
Why did Fox do this? I have no idea. Doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense. That’s about $200 million to watch Texas and Oklahoma kick a bunch of ass. That’s not sustainable, they are going to take a huge loss.
We’ll have to see what happens, but this makes zero sense to me. This conference is still very unstable. But Texas basically just got rid of all dissent in the conference. Its officially Texas’ pawn, either because they are a crony (OU, A&M), or because they have no choice and nowhere else to go (everybody else). While it would appear that everyone stands to make more money, the revenue gap gets wider and wider. And the other schools will take it up the rear because its that or the MWC.
What will be interesting is when their TV deal comes up. This is not sustainable, and I have a hard time believing that they’ll get it again.
Good on Nebraska and Colorado for bailing on a sinking ship.
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Good on Nebraska and Colorado for bailing on a sinking ship.
Truth! CU may have to take a hit in the first couple of years to pay the Big 12 to go away, but with the even revenue sharing and the fact that they are now playing games where they have a larger base they’ll recoup it in no time and build a sustainable athletic program there. I’m really interested to see what CU can do when they’re playing on an even playing field and have money to do it.
I’m more concerned that this “original deal” even makes it through. What’s going to stop Fox from saying “nevermind.” Who is the Big 12 going to turn to next? Texas already has what they want… who’s going to say shit about it? The schools that have no pull anyway? We’ll see.
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Does this help?
“The Big 12 sticking wasn’t a miracle,‘’ said the source. "There have been a number of people who were involved — a number of seriously key people — unrelated to the conference who will never be known to have helped get things on track.’’
From ESPN via CougCenter
No. Cause even that sounds like bullshit. “yeah, yeah, we have some double secret helpers helping us figure out that we can get like… 15, no 16, no wait $17 MILLION DOLLARS to watch these 10 teams play. yeah that’s it, that’s the ticket”
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It's not that they're worth 17 million
It’s that stopping realignment is worth the money they’re paying the Big 12. Consider it hush money.
How? How is stopping it worth that money? To whom? Fox? Here take a loss over the next 5 years so you don’t have to in the future?
Who’s profiting from this besides Texas? Plus, I guarantee no advertisers are going to pay nearly what Fox or ESPN are going to be asking to show games that the Big 12 is playing.
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It's worth it for the BCS
The fear was probably that a Pac-16 would start a run on schools by the Big Televen, SEC and everyone else. It’d be setting things up for a real playoff system, and the BCS just couldn’t have that. Keep in mind that the BCS hired Ari freakin’ Flesicher to lobby Washington against a playoff.
Yes, this was about Texas wanting a bigger share of the pie, and about ESPN (i’m guessing) cockblocking Fox, but ultimately I think the BCS jumped in to ensure a playoff movement was dead before it was born.
That makes no sense either considering a playoff would bring even more money for everybody… including the networks and will inevitably happen now after this latest “re-alignment” scare.
I still don’t see who benefits???
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Honestly,
I dont think that anyone has an idea as to what is actually going on. Somehow the schools such as Iowa State and Baylor will be making 15-18 million a year for not being in the same network as Texas? This deal happened and is funded by the BCS or a few mystery people? WTF?
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It's not just about money
It’s about power.
Have you heard about the CEO of FedEx offering the SEC $10 million in advertising money if they invited the University of Memphis (his son is the possible starting QB)? Knowing that, is it that hard to believe that there’s are very wealthy and powerful football fans who act based on their personal desires, regardless of whether it’s in the interest of the companies they run?
Think of it this way: There are many Uncle Phils and Kilkennys in the college football world. And a lot of them like the BCS: College football’s most exclusive club.
Yeah, his son was arrested for distributing ecstacy. Sounds like a quality guy.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 14, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard that it was 10 million to any major conference that took Memphis.
At the very least, they have a good basketball program. Hell, Memphis, consider this your formal invitation to my personal athletic conference. I can haz 10 millionz dollarz plz?
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
I think you're right
Don’t tell anyone I said that.
HAD a good basketball program.
You watched most of it playing for Calipari at Kentucky this year.
Eschew obfuscation.
$10MM is nothing, and no conference is ever going to do something stupid like that… it’s probably more of a ploy to get attention for his son. No conference is going to mortgage their future in order to get $10MM in one year and have to deal with a Memphis for the next decade (for a 10 team conference that’s $200k per year in revenue… not really that much huh?)
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I read that it was 10 million a season for 10 seasons.
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I don't want to link my own stuff, but I'm going to since I don't want to retype my thoughts
Here. Bear in mind this was written before I knew which network did it and that there was outside interest.
Stop namedropping yourself, weird Cougar person.
You are the leprosy of the community.
We all laugh at you, for you are a Coug! Everyone, point and laugh!
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 14, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigh,
I guess that it should have been apparent that the all powerful media networks would have done anything possible to kill the conference. The BCS also benefits from the prevention of the Pac-16.
I guess that all I can hope for is that ESPN and FOX somehow get mutilated in a radical collusion lawsuit that nobody saw coming, or that Mizzouri screws over the Big-12 by joining the Big-10 after all.
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So by your WSU educated math, Fox (or ESPN or CBS or PBS or whomever) decided that they’d rather pay $180MM for 5 years (or roughly $1billion) for a dilapidated Big 12 and another $200M for another 5 years (or roughly another $1 billion) to the Pac 10…so that’s $2BB over five years… VERSUS
a Pac 16 deal of $20MM per school (or $320MM) for fives years totaling $1.6BB?
Why would they not want to save $400MM by having to negotiate with one conference instead of two (not to mention the improved product)?
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For a few reason.
That 20 MM per school for a Pac-16 was a low end number. It was higher than that, probably 30 MM or more. We don’t know what the number was because something like this has never been done. Looking at the markets and teams involved, we know it’d be high.
Secondly, in Fox’s case, there was no chance in hell they were going to outbid ESPN for the rights to the Pac-16. None at all. A bidding war between those two would push it out of Fox’s range.
Finally, the status quo preserves the BCS and network’s stranglehold on the current landscape. You throw in a realignment and a shift in power and you’ve thrown everything we currently know out. You’d have the Big 10 moving for more, the SEC doing the same, and a jumblefuck of superconferences all wanting a bigger pie.
It was in the best interest of all the networks, the BCS, and the NCAA to kill this for the time being until they can best figure out how to exploit the eventual move to 16 team superconferences. The loss taken by Fox in the interim allows them to at least have some kind of footing in the college football picture and give themselves a shot in hell at being able to get the rights to the Pac-whatever the hell it is now.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 14, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
We don’t know what the number was because something like this has never been done
Actually, Larry Scott’s on record (too lazy to link) as saying his NY firm that he hired to compile numbers on what they could get are in the 20-25 range (which is still less than what Fox is currently paying).
Finally, the status quo preserves the BCS and network’s stranglehold on the current landscape.
For how long? Most of this wouldn’t have taken place until 2012. The BCS is up in 2014. That means that they’ve kept their all important stranglehold on the BCS for 2 years (which they had anyway) until everyone realizes they don’t want to go through all this again and the Big 12 realizes they can’t trust Scott or Delaney further than they can throw them and joins the ACC and SEC in voting for a tournament or plus one game. It’s inevitable now.
The loss taken by Fox in the interim allows them to at least have some kind of footing in the college football picture and give themselves a shot in hell at being able to get the rights to the Pac-whatever the hell it is now.
They have the same shot they would have had now, only instead they get to take a gigantic loss for the next couple of years. How’s is that better for them? As a matter of fact with their deal with the BCS, NOW would have been the perfect time to cement their place into a tournament (which will generate WAY MORE in TV and school revenue then this fucked up system we have now).
So maybe I’m stubborn or just too stupid to see it, but the loss they are going to be taking on Big 12 (plus what they give up in ownership of the Texas Network) just seems like a stupid move and no one profits in the short or long run.
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this is called Bebee knowing this is probably gonna cost him his ass on a platter
but he’ll be able to say that he saved the conference.
Half the wheels, twice the alibi.
Two words....
Texas Legislature.
It was thought that the "Hanger" beat all shots. Then, the "Balancer" was discovered.
It's not really a "loss"
Fox is still going to make money. The price they have to pay is higher, but no doubt there were promises made regarding media buys.
I love how Texas tried to screw us at the last minute
The battered Big 12 may be on the verge of survival after a source close to the Pac-10’s expansion negotiations told The Denver Post today that Texas is insisting on better revenue sharing and its own network.
“In the 11th hour, after months of telling us they understand the TV rights, they’re trying to pull a fast one on the verge of sealing the deal in the regents meeting,” the source said. “They want a better revenue sharing deal and their own network. Those were points of principle. (The Pac-10) wants to treat everyone fairly. It’s been that way for months of discussions.”
Glad Scott stuck to his guns and didn’t give into this bullshit.
--Dave
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Should we all go back to the Texas blog and say “We didn’t want you anyway?” Or even worse “We were only using you to get to your cute neighbor, Colorado… and her easily-iniberated friend, Utah”.
and this is why you don’t run a conference.
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this is why he runs nothing.
Q: How come Oregon State players haven't gotten in trouble for stealing anything from a frat house?
A: Who wants to steal a lunchbox?
by QuackQuackAttack on Jun 14, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhhh, Why?
If we are looking for a rebound girl? Why date the trog?
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We could channel FBSU...
And point out that what it comes down to, in the end, is that they are all chicken. Sure, they could talk about money and whatnot, but what it’s all about is the fact that they were too chicken-shit scared of the complete and utter asskickings that OSU and WSU were going to give them that they tucked their tails between their Bevo legs and ran away screaming.
Or something like that.
when do the GameDay Texas-related sign ideas start?
I’ll start: LaMichael is Spanish for the Big 12, 11, 10 is bad at math…
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Q: How come Oregon State players haven't gotten in trouble for stealing anything from a frat house?
A: Who wants to steal a lunchbox?
by QuackQuackAttack on Jun 14, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Even the Big-10 is better than you at math.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 14, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Ummm, if we’re not going by how many teams are in the conference, but by how many are slated to be in it in future years, the Pac-10 is in kind of a glass house here.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 15, 2010 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Regardless of the BCSterfuck
Adding Colorado and Utah is a super move for us. Two solid universities, good TV markets in SLC and Denver, and football programs that are either excellent now in Utah’s case or have tradition on their side in Colorado’s case. Most importantly, I have faith in Larry Scott to get a lucrative TV deal done with our own Pac-12 network. We will be in great shape for finally getting some exposure for our football programs.
I think the other conferences are quite frankly scared of the potential of our conference to generate massive TV revenues given the markets that we have already in the fold. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it came out that ADs in the SEC and Big-10 were part of this Big-12 lite deal. Super conference expansion would have weakened those conferences IMO while strengthening ours by quite a bit.
And I don’t think this new Big-12 has legs at all, I give it 4 years at most before teams start bailing. It’s a horrible conference for football, with OU, Texas, and then 8 mediocre/bad programs. Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, and Missouri are just happy to be there. I can’t imagine they will give OU or Texas much cred for playing in title games.
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I can’t imagine they will give OU or Texas much cred for playing in title games.
I don’t know, a 12-0 Texas, and an 11-1 Oklahoma or vice versa will be attractive to the BCS because they are Oklahoma and Texas, we have already seen that the BCS doesn’t really care about strength of schedules.
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Good point
I thought about qualifying that remark, because of our 2001 season, and as you mention Auburn, but the point I was making is that it would be very difficult to pass up Texas or OU simply because of the tradition and national appeal. Auburn and Oregon don’t have that.
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That’s true. I really hope we move to an 8-game rotation in the Pac-12 and play 4 OOC every year. I know it’s not the traditional path but it’s our best chance to play with the big boys in this stupid system. Today I heard word on the radio that they may not even split it into divisions, so I assume our scheduling would involve a dartboard or names in a top hat.
As long as we play the Huskies and the Bavers every year I’m fine with this system. Let’s schedule a couple easy ones, a big TV game against someone like Tennessee, and beat the crap out of the new guys.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 14, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, we down south had the best idea ever how to do this:
Before expansion, each SEC school played six conference games. Five of these games were against permanent opponents, developing some traditional rivalries between schools, and the sixth game rotated around the other four members of the conference.Just bump it up for 8 conference games and 12 teams: seven permanent opponents and one rotating!
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 15, 2010 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm bored of all this conference talk, let's play football.
Thank you track, baseball, softball, and golf for ending my summer hibernation.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
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