After Pac-10 expansion, where are we going to play the conference championship game?
The days of the Pac-12 are almost upon us. While the additions of Colorado and Utah excite me on almost every level, the one aspect of their addition that saddens me is that the round robin is dead, and in its stead will be a conference championship game. This, of course, means more money; but it also means that we are actually going to have to play in some of these.
The whole event strikes me as similar to a conference basketball tournament. Not often will it be used to actually determine the best team in the conference, but instead it serves as a way to keep interest in a greater number of teams until the end of the season. That said, with an automatic BCS berth on the line, the stakes will be big, very big. And with big stakes, you have to question the equity of the event. Also, with the event being one of the lynchpins of conference expansion, you have to question the profitability of it as well. The SEC and (soon to be defunt) Big XII title games have been financial boons to those leagues. However, the ACC title game has been a snoozer and a money loser. This should be a marquee event for the conference, but how do we make it equitable, exciting, and profitable?
Lets take a look at the Pac-10 basketball tournament. It has been held at the Staples Center in Los Angeles since its inception. Two things are clear: when USC or, especially, UCLA, has been good, those teams have had a decided advantage in crowd support. Also, when neither of those schools are particularly good, the tournament is a snoozefest, some games drawing crowds in the mere hundreds, and even championship games with the arena less than half full. Yet, when the contract renegotiations for the tournament came up, Tom Hansen kept the tournament in Los Angeles, despite an offer from the Rose Garden in Portland that would have given the conference more money. Why? Because Fox Sports liked being able to broadcast the tournament close to their LA offices (thank Heaven he's gone).
I've always thought that the tournament should be rotated every year between the Pac-10 markets. Every Pac-10 state (including our two new additions) has an NBA arena (or in the case of Seattle, one that is suitable enough). By rotating the tournament every year between five (or soon to be seven) cities, not only do you spread the home court advantage around the league, but you make the tournament an event. As a fan, you don't say "well, UCLA's no good this year, so we'll wait until next year," you say "this thing won't be in Portland/Oakland/Salt Lake City again for seven years, so lets watch some great ball." You can't depend on fan travel to fill these events, and that's even more true of a conference championship game due to the short notice fans will have in knowing if their team is gong to play (and this is even more true in a conference that isn't terribly drivable and plane travel is a must). You have to make it an event, something that the locals will pack the house for even if the local team is not playing. Admittedly, TV will pull in most of the revenue from this event, there is a lot of money to be made at the gate. TV can broadcast the game anywhere, but an empty stadium does not make for good TV.
With that said, I've heard two schools of thought on the Conference Championship Game. I've heard some say we should hold it in the Rose Bowl every year. This is a bad idea on two levels. The first is that it gives USC and UCLA a decided advantage. But the second is that nobody outside of LA will travel there if there is a chance their team will be playing a better game in the Rose Bowl a month later. I've also heard San Diego and Glendale, Ariz. thrown around as possible locations.
That said, I still favor the rotating the game between cities. Unlike with basketball, not every Pac-10 market has an NFL stadium to play the game in, but spreading it around Seattle, the San Francisco Bay Area (who is building a new stadium very soon), Southern California (I like San Diego better than LA due to the Rose Bowl factor, but take your pick), Phoenix, and Denver not only spreads around the opportunity for home field advantage, but keeps the game an event and gives you a better chance at selling the place out on a regular basis.
Tom Hansen made the rest of the Pac-10 bow down to the whims of the LA schools and Fox Sports for far too long. I trust that Larry Scott will not make the same follies that have plagued the Pac-10 tournament under Hansen's leadership.
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It needs to rotate
any other idea is insanity.
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I say the same thing about the basketball tournament
and its still played in an empty Staples Center every year
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by David Piper on Jun 16, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Fox won't be able to push us around anymore
even if they land our TV contract. Scott has a pair on him and I think he’ll figure it out quick enough.
so if the divisions come out like expected (north/south), i’m pretty sure if the winner of the north is Oregon, OS or UW, the fans would travi think it should rotate between Denver, PHX, San Diego, San Francisco and Hayward Field.
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how about
not denver? Playing there in December would be a nightmare. I could see a LA / SF rotation, or maybe a PHX / LA / SF / SEA rotation. I think the ACC did a fantastic job of showing why it’s a horrible idea to play a title game well away from the nearest school, so I think SD is a non-starter.
Rotating it every year will reduce the revenue guarantee
It sounds great in theory, but it’s not a good idea in practice. The game will also need to be in a warm weather destination (ie, so you can get butts in seats and avoid the ACC Championship game scenario, which was played half-full a lot of times).
Glendale makes the most sense – even as an Angeleno, I wouldn’t want the game at the Rose Bowl. Makes sense to have it at a nice and shiny football palace.
But the Rose Bowl is tradition man!
I’d be fine with it wherever it is. Granted I would like it in Seattle from time to time, willing to brave Husky country to go to Qwest for the game.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
So you’re saying the ACC Championship game has been played in non warm weather environments? Charlotte, Jacksonville and Tampa. If those are non warm weather cities, sign me up for the Winter time cruise ships, so I can save some money on my vacation.
I feel like I should say something smart.
Charlotte is cold in December
Jacksonville can also be cold in December. Even Tampa can get cool in December. You’re right, it’s not Boston, though.
Admittedly, the ACC has had larger problems than just hosting the game in a warm weather locale.
I think selling the conferecen basketball tourney on a rotation is easier than football game of course
Due to the fact that you have NBA-quality venues in Seattle, Portland, SF, LA, PHX, DEN and SLC and not as much for football.
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We obviously didn't have an NBA-quality venue in Seattle
/ tears of unfathomable sadness
by johnnycougar on Jun 17, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with some others
Rotating it is a good idea, but it has to be in a warm weather locale. As much as it’s FOOTBALL to play a conf championship in the snow, not even people from Oregon want to brave that weather.
I think you rotate it between Glendale, the LA area, and the Bay area (not exactly a warm weather locale, but better than the alternatives). If Vegas had a better stadium, I would say throw them in the mix just for variety, but UNLV’s stadium is inadequate for this kind of thing.
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The Bay area after the 9ers get their new stadium
Of course.
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The Vegas championship weekend sounds like a blast. But from a money making idea probably doesn’t rank up there.
Glendale makes a lot of sense to me. It’s a fantastic facility, probably the most reliable December weather, a major airport hub with direct flights from most Conference cities. I don’t think it’ll work as an every year deal. But rotating with LA would work.
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 17, 2010 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions
It should rotate
But make it simple. Just pick 3 or 4 top facilities that will draw well. Southern California, Northwest, Arizona, then maybe a Bay area (after new stadium).
Maybe we should just play the game in Texas every year.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 17, 2010 12:29 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I vote Pullman so one significant game will be played there every year.....just kidding.
How about Autzen at midnight or so on the coldest night of the year. It’ll still sell out at $200 a ticket and a $10 dog.
And fuck them warm weather pussies. And even fuck the hot dogs. Serve them frozen lemonade cups.
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Damn agin. well, they weren't very hot....hmmm. give it to me straight...what were they?
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Damn. Better not eat the yellow snow, you know where the Huskies go.
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my take
1. totally agree the pac-10 champ. should NEVER be played at the rose bowl!
2. I would like to see the game at #1 seed home stadium. I belive that would be the safe choice but highly unlikely.
3. It sucks that oregon and utah don’t have NFL stadiums cuz thats what its going to boil down to. =’(
I think it would be kind of funny
to have it at the Coliseum with USC having no chance to play in it.
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by shenanigans on Jun 17, 2010 6:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
One comment about Anaheim
As much as I would love the game coming to my hometown, I’m not sure Angel Stadium would work. For baseball, it’s capacity is only 46k right now. I’m sure they could add extra seats for football, but I don’t know how many. Anaheim might not even be able to seat as many as Autzen at this point.
I don’t know what the goal would be, but if we’re trying to keep it in places that seat 60k+, I don’t think Anaheim will qualify.
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They could un-renovate it lol…god I remember going to Rams and Angels games there back in the day and it was a big piece of shit haha
Thank god my Halos got a proper renovation
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No kidding. Although I’m STILL bitter about them taking out the cinnamon roll stand. Holy crap was that place awesome.
I remember as a kid, back when my attention span was about 30 seconds (as opposed to 45 seconds like it is now), I would amuse myself by seeing how much of the crumbling seat plastic in front of me I could pick off during a game. Now it’s a great place to watch baseball, provided the Red Sox aren’t in town.
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I voted Seattle...
I would love the chance to take a $10 taxi ride to a CCG. But reality is that it should rotate every year, but I’m not going to get my hopes up. I see picking 2 sites and alternating years (both warm weather locales).
Think outside of the box...
Vegas baby, Vegas.
It’s a nuetral site, and is a great destination for a championship game. Most civilized cities have direct flights there, and last time I looked had a ton of hotel rooms. I’m sure the city of Las Vegas would ante up to upgrade the stadium and all the major networks would also be in favor of a game there.
I'd suggest
Campus sites until the Chargers get new stadium built, then play there. San Diego’s the only NFL city in a Pac 12 state that isn’t in the home metro area of one or two Pac 12 teams. But Qualcomm is a dump. Besides, the only people who might not be all that interested in going to San Diego just for the heck of it are the LA fans, and they can drive here easily enough.
Let’s play it at Neyland Stadium in 2011, then Autzen every year after that, because I’m a selfish bastard.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 17, 2010 7:49 AM PDT reply actions
I say that we ask Texas,
To force Mizzou, KU, KSU, ISU, and Baylor to fund the building of a new stadium in Vegas that we can play at. You know it would happen too, all of those schools are Texas’ bitches.
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Georgia Dome, Cowboys Stadium and Raymond James Stadium
These are the sites for the other major CCG. There is only one equivalent to these places in Pac 12 country and it is in Glendale, end of story. Put it there ever year.
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
The Q
Phoenix sucks. Its like a LA without the culture and without the beach. I’d hate to be forced to go there in December.
SD would be better, Qualcomm is a fine stadium, its hosted super-bowls and the like. Its great at the Holiday bowl. I would much rather take a trip to San Diego in December then to Phoenix.
Or the new stadium in Santa Clara. It supposed to be amazing and its more geographically centered. Glendale is too far away from Seattle and Oregon. Colorado is closer to Santa Clara than Seattle is to Glendale. The weather in the bay is not that bad, its more temperate than Oregon and the weather in Oregon is amazing when compared to most placed in the country. Also, people need to remember that the weather in Santa Clara is not the same as the weather in SF, which has its own weird micro-climate.
Qualcomm is not a good stadium
I am over people using travel time as a reason not to have it places. Its 2010, it takes what, 4 or 5 hours to fly from Seattle to Phoenix? Are there really people in Seattle that would fly to LA but not Phoenix because it takes 30 min longer? The stadium in Glendale is too nice to pass up, imo.
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by trumpetduck on Jun 17, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with Glendale being a good location,
And the Q is a pile of crap. But I really do not think that we should be locked into one location for a long time. We should rotate the championship game. The stadium is nice in Glendale, but as a whole Glendale/Phoenix is not a very fun place.
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Yeah, Phoenix is pretty bland. I guess it depends on how much of an “event” you really want to make this. Culturally and logistically, this is never going to get to the level of the SEC champ game. But they can do the best they can to at least make it a draw for fans.
Phoenix does have some things going for it – great venue, good weather, enough things to do to keep people occupied for two or three days.
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Phoenix has golf, casinos, bars, and nice weather.
What the hell else do you want?
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 17, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I have all those things in LA
Plus theme parks, zoos, museums, every kind of restaurant you could possibly imagine, minorities who don’t have to worry about getting hauled in by the INS for no reason…
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I don’t want to start a political debate
minorities who don’t have to worry about getting hauled in by the INS for no reason…
HAHA … apparently Gorby’s ok with it
I don’t want to start a discussion either. It was more a sarcastic throwaway line. Please ignore it for anything other than humor purposes.
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this place rarely gets political, I’m not worried … we have better things to debate than politics … like Twizzlers vs. Red Vines
Or
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 17, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Giada-normous
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My point wasn't that LA sucks.
But for your typical football weekend with the guys, you aren’t going to have time to soak in everything a destination has to offer. Fly in Friday, hit a bar or casino. Game Saturday. Golf on the way back to the airport Sunday. So it doesn’t matter much to me where I would go.
Though I’d rather fly into/out of Phoenix than LA anyday.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 17, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
sounds like a bunch of reasons to make the city of Las Vegas pay to make Sam Boyd better than it is and have it there
Preaching to the choir.
The problem with Vegas being a subsantial chance of completely forgetting about the game amidst the casino floor brainwash.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 17, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
You have to make the Pac 10 bball tourney play in Vegas. That way you have a whole week to spend there and don’t get burnt by wasting a day in the casinoes.
I would love to see the bball tourney there. That I would go for a week see… LA? Not so much.
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I agree with you there
That’s why I made the point about how it depends on how big of an EVENT you want to make it. Phoenix is just fine for a two – three day jaunt. There’s plenty to keep the average college football fan occupied, and the weather is a good enough excuse for most North/Northwest fans to get down there.
But if they want it to be like a weeklong thing (which would be a mistake in my opinion), than Phoenix wouldn’t be great.
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Plus there was discussion earlier about ease of access on short notice.
Easy to get to and from phoenix plus there are a tonne of reasonably priced hotels/vacation homes. I think Glendale makes for an easier ‘impromptu’ getaway logistically than LA.
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 17, 2010 2:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I would like to see it rotated
But I have a feeling it will be stuck in Los Angeles year after year.
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If and/or when it gets built,Los Angeles Stadium would get my vote if it HAS to be in LA. Having it at the Rose Bowl when the winner most years would then just play in the Rose Bowl a few weeks later would be stupid, and the Coliseum sucks.
We can discuss city strengths or weather or attractions besides the game, but I think if the 12 Pac wants to do it right they need to consider demand.
If you rotate the games at least marginally (i.e. Rose Bowl, Qworst Field, Phoenix Online) what you will do is keep demand for the game high. When you stagnate the location eventually you will only draw those people who a) have a vested interest in the game like the fans of that school and b) those that can afford the time, energy and money it costs to be able to attend.
That’s a shrinking pool of interested buyers. If the games is always in LA or San Diego or Phoenix then once the newness of attending the game wears off for the local people, then only the people from the schools who can afford it will make the trip. Throw in the facts that there will be less time to plan to go, uncertainty of being able to attend as well as an immediance of another game soon after (Bowl Game) and fewer and fewer fans from those schools will attend. The only real time you will have major attendance in that case will be when a local school is playing in that game. This is part of the problem with the Pac 10 bball tourney right now.
On the other hand, if you rotate the game to 3 or 4 locations you will not only have those select few from the attending schools, but also the interest for the local people who have never been able to attend. You will also increase the planning time for the local people since they will know they will have an opportunity. Lastly, you will increase corporate sponsorships and ticket prices because you will be bringing a larger audience of companies into the fold (my company won’t buy a box in San Diego for the CCG, but if the game were closer, it might do it one year).
Lastly, if money is a driving factor, you will be spreading the wealth of what a game like this can do for the local economies. Hotels, restaurants, transportation, corporate sponsors etc. will all see an increase in the years the game is played at their location (I even think there can be a way to have schools be the “sponsors” of the game and let the increased revenue filter down to that individual school every 12th year… but that will take more thinking.)
I think the smartest thing from a supply and demand as well as financial stand point will be to rotate the game to a couple of selections. Personally, I think weather is a non-issue when you take into account the increase in local demand (besides the locals are already living with that weather). It may effect the outcome of the game which we can debate as being a good or bad thing, but money and demand for the game are much more important at this point.
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by Matt Daddy on Jun 17, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Gib dat man a REC!
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by Famous Duck on Jun 17, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Rotation is a good idea simply for the novelty, tourist appeal of it.
It’d be something that each site could get stoked about when they know it’s their year coming up.
I’ve never been a fan of conference championship games, but if we’re having one, I think it’d be great to make a sort of festival out of it. Let the cities get pumped to be hosting the championship that year.
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Rotate:
1. Phoenix
2. LA
3. Seattle
4. San Fran (new stadium)
5. Vegas
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by QuackQuackAttack on Jun 17, 2010 3:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Man, can you imagine the trouble Masoli could get into playing a game in Vegas every year? If our guys can be this dumb in Eugene I shudder to think what they’d do with a week in Vegas. The players would all have to wear T-shirts with a photo of The Stare and pair up, so every time one of them did something stupid he could just look at his buddy and get a good dose of Dr. Chip.
But...
they’d be paralyzed with fear, and thus liable to get blistering sunburns in the Vegas heat.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 17, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Vegas
When will be the first time Utah and BYU play in the Vegas Bowl?
I feel like I should say something smart.
Rotate it.
A rotating game is obviously the best solution, and a rotation through the conference’s bigger stadiums would be wise, cause, come on, who’s going to want it played out in the Palouse or in Corvallis. We just added two midget stadiums, too.
I’d rather not have it played in obnoxious soulless pro stadiums.
By current capacity, the Pac-12 shakes down like this:
Coliseum (93,000)
Rose Bowl (92,000)
Husky (72,000)
Sun Devil (72,000)
Memorial (62,000) (after the renovations are done)
Zona (56,000)
Autzen (54,000)
Folsom (54,000)
Stanford (50,000)
Reser (47,000)
Rice-Eccles (45,000)
Martin (35,000)
Knowing the MONEY MONEY MONEY attitude of our new lovely commissioner though, we’ll probably get a rotation between the Rose Bowl, University of Phoenix (barf, worst name ever) Stadium, Mile High, Qwest and the new Niners stadium and Oregon’s going to get left out.
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by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jun 17, 2010 10:01 PM PDT reply actions
Again I say Vegas
Win win. The players will love it and so will the fans of all the schools. Get the city to upgrade the stadium and boom – goes the dynamite.
vegas
If UNLV ever gets their damn new stadium next to campus it’d be perfect for football. Vegas is already great for a B-Ball tournament. Plus, it’s a great location for everyone (especially me because i live 1 1/2 hours from there).

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