Quack Fix: Oregon to add another DB, UO will welcome Pac-10 expansion money
by jtlight on Jun 21, 2010 7:12 AM PDT
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PrintHope you all had a good Father's Day weekend. If you missed out, we had some good discussions on the California schools' reaction to expansion, and also how the proposed North/South division split will affect recruiting. On to today's quack!
- The Ducks may be the deepest team in the Pac-10, but there's nothing wrong with adding to that. According to Ducks Attack, former Texas safety Marcus Davis will be joining the team. Davis was a 2008 recruit, but because of his transferring, it's not initially clear how much eligibility he'll have left. Davis transferred from Texas due to a DWI he received his freshman year. Oregon's been known to take chances on transfers with issues, including Onterrio Smith and Richie Incognito, though Incognito lasted about a week before getting kicked off the team. If Davis does commit, I'm sure Kelly will be expecting exemplary behavior, especially considering Oregon's recent legal troubles.
- Rob Moseley's piece yesterday was on Pac-10 expansion. Most of the article is for those that haven't been following this saga every minute, but Moseley also has some good quotes regarding UO's need for the additional money. While Oregon is sitting pretty financially, with costs always rising and the price tag for Matt Court coming due, the additional Pac-10 revenues (which could reach 14.5 million per school for television alone) will prove incredibly useful for the Athletic Department.
- Bill Moos continued the growing rumor that the Oregon/WSU game could get moved to Qwest Field in Seattle every year. WSU has proposed this to Oregon, and will propose it again once Oregon gets an AD in place. I'm still not sold that this will be a great money-maker for the Ducks, but if it is, I very much like the idea of not having to go to Pullman again. And while the recruiting advantages may not be significant, they'll certainly be better than playing in Pullman. But I still don't like the idea of losing a home game. What do you think?
- In some former player news, Baltimore WR Demetrius Williams may be on his way out. With frustration over a lack of practice time, he's now skipping practice, which is probably not the best move. Also, Jeremiah Masoli is weighing his options and may enter the NFL supplemental draft.
- A Pac-10 expansion note, while division angst is high for football, it won't be for basketball, as there will be no divisions.
- Lastly, Smart Football had some great links over the weekend. My favorite is one on Bill Walsh and randomization in football from Advanced NFL Stats (Chris also links to his own piece on randomization from 2007). We've talked a lot about unpredictability, especially with the moves Oregon has been making defensively. One of the advantages of the 3-4 is the ability to be unpredictable, but that can go out the window if you develop patterns. Bill Walsh's comments should be a warning to any defensive coordinator out there.
Got any other quack or opinions to share? Leave it in the comments below. GO DUCKS!
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Wait … we’d have to play EVERY game against WSU at Qwest field, not just the ones scheduled for AT WSU? No thanks.
That was my first thought. Why would we give up home games?
by westspec on Jun 21, 2010 8:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah,
I do not think that I am sold on giving up a home game for WSU. At least with our new conference schedule coming in 2011, that could bring another home game every season because of more non-conference games…
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
seriously, we’re not the ones with the tiny stadium in the middle of nowhere, far from our alumni base
You mean the money and the ability to have recruits on our sidelines? I’m not sold on the fact that it would be worth giving up our homefield advantage at Autzen. I guess if we go to 8 conference games (I really hope we do) that would mean one additional non-conference home game most years, which would make up for it, but losing out on Autzen for Qwest sounds terrible to me.
It's something different
Doesn’t mean it’s permanent in any way. The thought process is to create a Red River Shootout type game. 30,000 Oregon fans on one side, 30,000 WSU fans on the other, and a pretty close to neutral site. Add in being able to pull recruits and gain a fair amount of money and it’s enticing.
What we haven’t been able to figure out is the difference in revenue between a normal two year cycle and a two year cycle at Qwest.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 21, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
My biggest question is would you be able to get 30,000 from each fan base?
I say not at WSU current quality of play.
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
by trumpetduck on Jun 21, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
We've been able to put 50K+ by ourselves in Qwest
Against shit teams while being crappy.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 21, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
but those are Coug fans going to Qwest for a game
Getting 30,000 duck fans to go up to Seattle to watch the WSU game is a much different animal.
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
by trumpetduck on Jun 21, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll bet good money it isn't difficult at all.
Oregon has an alumni presence in Western Washington.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 21, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
You may be right
But I just dont see it.
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by trumpetduck on Jun 21, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I live in Seattle
I know firsthand what kind of presence Oregon has here and how much they turn out for sporting events. I have little doubt a game at Qwest would sell out on both sides.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 21, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, it’s really not that far of a drive from Portland, and Seattle’s a fun town to visit. It’d likely sell out pretty easily, and pretty evenly if the schools control distribution of tickets.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
We don't get 30k for the Huskies in Seattle.
In the best situations, when we’re bandwagonning our asses off and UW is suffering through another dreadful season, we put maybe 15K into Husky Stadium.
Why on earth would anyone think would we get 30k for the Cougars?
As for Red River Shootout-level excitement, Oregon vs Wazzu is definitely several levels below Oklahoma vs Texas.
I don’t see the logic, at least not for us. I’d be happy to play the Wazzu home game in Seattle, but not ours.
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You can't get 30k into HS
The difference in the scenarios is who controls the ticketing allotments. UW, and all visiting stadiums, give the stock couple thousand to visitors and that’s it.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 21, 2010 5:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Why wouldn't people drive to Seattle?
It’s not that much farther than Eugene (from Portland).
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
They do. Just not enough to put 30k in the stands.
And I’d submit that it’s a much longer drive from Portland to midtown Seattle than from Portland to Eugene.
Seattle’s a good 90 miles farther, at least, and there’s the dread Seattle perpetual traffic jam on top of that.
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Yeah but the traffic wouldn't be nearly as bad with 30,000 Portlanders added.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
I’m confused.
30k drivers from Portland, all heading to the same destination, tied in with 30k other drivers = less traffic?
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
Wait a minute...the Cal fans say its not alright to take a bus, and they say that they're right, by God!
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
The train isn't a bad way to go
And the train station is close to Quest, and Safeco
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Seattle is a 3 hr drive from Portland, at least, unless you drive like a maniac. Often longer, depending on traffic, weather and construction, Eugene is only 2 hrs. Also I think there are way more WSU alums in Western Washington all along the I-5 corridor than Oregon fans. Many of those may not drive all the way to Pullman, but would certainly drive to Seattle. The net result would be many more WSU fans in attendance than Oregon fans. But that’s the point right?
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Not at all
There’s plenty of Oregon alums around. The proposed split involves handing half the tickets to each side and tell them to get rid of them so I don’t really see how one side could have more than a negligible attendence advantage.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 21, 2010 5:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree there are Oregon alums living in Washington
I went to college in Olympia, lived in Western Washington for several years and spent my teenage years there, there are vastly more WSU alums. Furthermore, I just think Oregon fans are proud of the crazy intimidating atmosphere of Autzen, and will be loathe to give that up so they can play in…Seattle? Might as well put it in Corvallis as far as I’m concerned.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Truth.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
I don't hate Seattle.
I hate the purple loooooosers.
Thank you track, baseball, softball, and golf for ending my summer hibernation.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 22, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
And I understand it has to be more worth it for Oregon considering the present situation
When I get time this week, enough to do it justice, ill write something up about the pros and cons for both sides.
I need to do some research and find some numbers for Oregons side of it all to weigh the cost benefits. Obviously I like it for our side, but I agree its important to see if it is for Oregons.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 21, 2010 6:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
funny how you like it now ...
… but it wasn’t acceptable when WSU was insisting on an annual “neutral site” ticket allocation when the failed Qwest deal with UW was being negotiated.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I think this guy and Axe need to have an irony showdown.
Ten paces apart, firing misguided insults at each other which are intended to be offensive but end up missing the target by improper use of language, then being taken offensively due to misunderstanding by the other party, over and over and over.
When one makes sense, the universe ends.
Thank you track, baseball, softball, and golf for ending my summer hibernation.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 23, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seattle is a 3 hr drive from Portland, at least, unless you drive like a
maniacCalifornian who knows what he’s doing.
Fixed.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Jun 22, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Southern Californians are some of the worst drivers in the country.
Only in LA is traffic ever a problem on 1:00 Sunday afternoon, and it’s because they think they know how to drive.
/rant off.
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
It took us 3 hours at 8 PM on a Tuesday to drive from Beverly Hills to Long Beach.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 22, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Et tu, Gorby?
I await your appeal for California’s own California division in the new Cal-Pac Conference, including expansion teams Pepperdine, Harvey Mudd, and College of the Siskiyous.
Thank you track, baseball, softball, and golf for ending my summer hibernation.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 22, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
But the game would be in Seattle
Does anybody really think the fans would be evenly split with this setup? I don’t. It is essentially a money game and the Ducks are the permanent away team in this scenario.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
I don't think that is true.
… there are tons of ducks living in seattle and, in fact, Eugene is closer to Seattle than Pullman. I have a feeling that Duck fans would represent every other year in one of the premier professional football venues on the planet.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
As others above have expressed,
I have nightmares at the thought of playing in a stadium that is not even close to capacity when we would otherwise be playing at a sold out Autzen. It seems like WSU is getting the better deal.
And as Shu said, I agree that this really is forcing a rivalry.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
The money thing a big hang-up for me. The site you linked simply said: “So, [Oregon would] make about the same amount as they do at Autzen when giving up a home game to play at Qwest.” Uhh, based on what numbers? I just don’t find this claim to have substance without some numbers, especially when old numbers would lead me to believe that Oregon is making more than 1.5 mil per home game.
I also have the reservations that a lot of other fans have. WSU will be gaining far more in this scenario than Oregon will.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Let’s face it-why should we make concessions to a program that is currently not even on the map? It’s really just a ploy to get WSU some of the cut.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 21, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
And that's what I can't answer
I have no idea what the money breaks down to be, both for a game at Autzen and the guaranteed amount for a game at Qwest. I know what an away game take is (flat fee, something like 200K), but home game takes have too many variables for me to accurately try to calculate.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 21, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
If we do this
can we get UW at home every year?
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
You should print this comment and frame it on your wall
It may be your best yet. This is a trade off I can get behind.
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
by trumpetduck on Jun 21, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
BTW, did WSU ever pony up the $ on the penalty clause about Moos getting hired as an AD west O' the Mississippi?
How eggzakly was that supposed to work, anyone know?
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
It's also not a payment
It’s simply a forfeiture of the money he was being paid out (annually?) from what I understand.
Dido
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
How about a compromise.
We’ll play all the away games there, and half the home games there.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
WARNING:
CHIP KELLY HAS LOST CONTROL OF THE PROGRAM BY VOLUNTARILY ALLOWING A PLAYER THAT HE TRUSTS TO BEHAVE TO BECOME A PART OF THE PROGRAM. HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO CONTROL THE PROGRAM AND OREGON IS GOING TO BECOME WHAT MIAMI WAS IN THE 1980’S! BEWARE!
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 21, 2010 8:26 AM PDT reply actions
Huh?
Mr. Tennessee, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent comment were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by optimus_przybilla on Jun 21, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
you obviously are new to this site
may god have mercy on your sorry ass soul, and welcome to ATQ. Learn the memes, like that one.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
well I'm sure he will want to come back now
Don’t be a dick, maybe it was sarcasm. And the link because that line is funny as shit.
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
by trumpetduck on Jun 22, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought a bunch of intelligent, savvy guys like yourselves would get the quote
I should of realized where I was…
by optimus_przybilla on Jun 22, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Whoa, axemen was called "intelligent" and "savvy" in the same sentence?
If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 22, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
by 11 you mean 17
sorry about that remark. I was tired and not thinking straight. Welcome to ATQ (for real this time).
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
Ok, a simple wrong would have done just fine.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
You are my favorite person of all time.
Congratulations, axemen23!!!!
With this statement calling out a man for not recognizing an ATQ meme while at the same time not recognizing his use of an ATQ meme, you have surpassed former Darwin Award Grand Champion Dick Dingdong as the all time leader on the irony board.
In recognition of this accomplishment, you will receive three years in the cone of silence.
Thank you track, baseball, softball, and golf for ending my summer hibernation.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 22, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahahahhaha
“Dick Dingdong”
hahahahahahahah
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
YEAH!
COACH KELLY OBVIOUSLY HAS NO IDEA HOW TO COACH!
LISTEN TO SOMEONE WITH EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH AND COACHING YOUNG PLAYERS IN FOOTBALL AND IN LIFE, MOST OBVIOUSLY JOHN CANZANO!!!
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
That sounds about right
Maestas projects the remaining 10 Big 12 schools will receive $13.5 million each, but again, that’s before bargaining.
“It’ll be similar to the Pac-10 per school,” he said. “It’s not realistic that Beebe’s going to give Texas and Oklahoma and (Texas) A&M $20 million (each) and all the have-nots $14 million to $17 million. They can distribute that kind of ratio, but the total pie won’t be large enough to add up to that.”
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
EDSBS comments on the above Smart Football link, and brillianty sums up Gary Crowton…
Smart Football is full of all kinds of brilliance in the strategy-heavy linkdump, but the best bit is at the end discussing whether you’d be better off choosing your plays at random. We have an answer, and it is "It depends." Is Gary Crowton your offensive coordinator? If so, then yes. Yes you are better off going random.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
This makes me sad.
If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 21, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Les "Time" Miles.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
TAFFY!
If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 22, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Anybody watch the 7-0 destruction of NKorea by Portugal?
About half the goal scores celebrated by throwing up O’s. Guess the Ducks are a big deal in Portugal.
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
by trumpetduck on Jun 21, 2010 10:10 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My grandmother is a Portuguese immigrant. I guess it’s in the blood
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 21, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
The Swiss V Chile ref really liked yellow too
I’m sure he would have given some green cards to the players to even things out as he gave NINE yellow cards out during the game. 9 yellow and 1 red, almost half of the players on the field got booked, ridiculous
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
The same NKorea that Brazil had a hard time putting away?
Did half the team defect between games?
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This is a quackless story
But is a funny World Cup moment.
A couple of days ago we were at an airport in Mexico on our way home from vacation. While we were there, Mexico was playing in a World Cup match – there was no score yet in the game. We sit down in the gate area to wait for our flight to be called, and soon we hear an ENORMOUS roar from the restaurant/bar that is nearby. I mean screaming as if there has been an assasination, or a riot is in progress. Obviously, Mexico has scored. Immediately, every security guard and shopkeeper in the gate areas completely abandon their posts and race to the bar to watch the replay. It was a total stampede of like 100+ people in security uniforms, etc. Osama Bin Laden could have strolled into the airport or onto a plane with a bomb strapped to his chest and no one (except the American tourists still sitting waiting for flights) would have even noticed. It’s seriously one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen.
good to have you back daisy
hope you got a tan there…sure cain’t get one here, and I hope you brought some sun back with you.
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
Thanks for fighting the terrorists even while on vacation!
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
You are so welcome
Really, it’s amazing what you can do what you can do when you start drinking fruity drinks heavily laced with rum at noon every day. Not only was I confident of my ability to fight terrorists, but I was also sure that Zip Lining wouldn’t be scary and that I could practically win next season’s America’s Top Model (I am seriously good looking in the mirror after four daquiris) . Also, there were a few moment when I thought that parasailing was a great idea, but fortunately my husband talked me out of it.
My teenage daughter talked me into parasailing in Hawaii
It wasn’t bad at all, in fact once you get up there it is a little disappointing how short of a ride it is.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Here’s what it would be like reading ATQ if you were at the World Cup
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
by Matt Daddy on Jun 21, 2010 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It’s still better than the USC band.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 21, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Hilarious.
Yup, pretty accurate, made me stab myself in the ear just like I did the other day.
Thank you track, baseball, softball, and golf for ending my summer hibernation.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 22, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
BTW for the scotch lovers out there...
my buddy bought me a new bottle I hadn’t tried before for my birthday last week.
Aberlour 12 Year Old Single Malt
It’s really nice. No peety flavor, quite a bit of oak, really dry and malty. It’s definitely a sipping scotch. Highly recommend it!!!
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
Love the idea of Oregon-Washington State at Qwest.
A.) You don’t have to travel to Pullman.
B.) Greater capacity, means more fans can make the trip.
That’s just my opinion. But really. I’m just an ’SC fan here in LA who will only be watching the game on T.V.
--Conquest Chronicles , SBNation's USC Trojans blog
Follow me on Twitter @Joey_Kaufman
Wait a second… Qwest field is owned by the Washington State Public Stadium Authority…
If they host an Oregon v WSU game annually, which I’m sure Qwest field would get some money from – couldn’t that ease the “locals” with granting more public funds to renovate UW’s crap?
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
I don't think anyone is saying it wouldn't be better than playing in Pullman
The issue is whether Oregon should be willing to give up their home games to play at Qwest every year.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
If that's the case
I’d think twice about it. I think it’s incredibly important to get at least six home games a year. I didn’t realize it’d be every year. Just thought it’d be an alternative to Pullman. But UO could schedule an extra nonconference home game to make up for it.
--Conquest Chronicles , SBNation's USC Trojans blog
Follow me on Twitter @Joey_Kaufman
by Joey Kaufman on Jun 21, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
"The Evergreen Showdown"
As a Greener I strenuously object to using this as a name for a potential annual WSU/Oregon game in Seattle.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
by QuackinAK on Jun 21, 2010 11:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think that "The Evergreen Slaughter"
would sum up the game a little better…
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Seattle WSU Game
This is one of the dumber ideas I have ever heard. If WSU wants to escape from Pullman, I can understand, but why would the Ducks even think about blowing off Autzen, recognized as on of the biggest advantages in CFB. WSU can play their home games wherever they want, the Ducks MUST play in Eugene. Besides, how is this going to work out when UW has their home games at Quest for the five + years that it takes to renovate that crumbling hulk by the lake. There’s bound to be a conflict.
And why would ANYONE, even a coug, drive for hours and then pay to watch WSU get humiliated in Seattle?
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
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