Quack Fix: Former Longhorn now a Duck. Will expansion pad the bottom line?
by JConant on Jun 24, 2010 7:48 AM PDT
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PrintLate goals, never-ending tennis matches, and the Seattle Mariners on an improbable winning streak? At the very least, all this drama is helping us pass the time before the Ducks begin their Pac-10 title defense. Here's your quack:
- The Ducks have landed a huge transfer in former U of Texas defensive back Marcus Davis, a 2009 U.S. Army All-American. Davis ran into legal trouble at Texas and was suspended indefinitely. No doubt the haters will have a field day, but the bottom line - as Ron Bellamy writes - is that Chip Kelly's done his homework here. If Davis can stick to Chip's game plan, he could be an impact player (3 years available after sitting out this coming season).
- While there may be more questions than answers at this point, Rob Moseley's take on the financial impact of Pac-10 expansion is that the Ducks and Beavers should benefit at the bottom line.
- Caleb M. at Bleacher Report takes a more predictive approach to Oregon's prospects in a two-division conference. I appreciate Caleb's conclusion that Oregon and Oregon State will have the most to say about a North Division championship, though his conclusion is based mostly on recent success. What Sarkisian is doing at UW and Harbaugh at Stanford should serve notice that competition for division titles will be stiff.
- Former Oregon javelin star Rachel Yurkovich is looking for her first U.S title.
- Is cheerleading a real sport? Evidently that's the question a judge in Connecticut is considering, and Oregon's cheer program is one of many watching the ruling carefully.
Not a lot of quack out there. If you find something interesting, please share it in the comments. Anyone else finding Italy's performance in the first half versus Slovakia somewhat amusing? Go Ducks!
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Bruce Feldman ranks the top weight rooms in the country. Oregon comes in at #8 in the country.
ESPN Insider: http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/blog?name=feldman_bruce&id=5318369
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
What Sarkisian is doing at UW and Harbaugh at Stanford should serve notice that competition for division titles will be stiff.
I agree the North Division looks to be pretty tough. I have seen a lot of predictions by commenters on the message boards that Oregon will be in more than 50% of CCC’s, while I think that sounds great, I have to admit I am skeptical.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
I agree. And few people are mentioning Cal, which is on a long bowl streak, or Oregon State who has played their final game of the season for a Rose Bowl berth two straight years. Yes, I like our chances to remain competitive at the division level, but I think it’s going to be a slug-fest every year and years when you play a 3-at-home and 2-on-the-road division schedule are going to be crucial.
31-6, 45-21, 34-14, 55-34, 44-10, 43-19. Do you see the pattern?
i think should have kept playing last night till someone’s calves exploded….they were supposed to play their next round match today. i wonder how they are working that out.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Just woke up and turned that on. Did I miss anything good in the 11 games I didn’t see?
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by ProbablyMonty on Jun 24, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
just a few chuckles about how ridiculous this is…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
…and the world rejoices!!! i hate everything about how the Italians play soccer.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
that’s how they play. the word the use to call soccer, which i can’t think of right now, actually means “to be clever and trick” or something close to that. oh…and their whole league is shady…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Nobody likes 'simulation' and diving
and Serie A has had its share of scandal, and oh yeah, Mussolini probably fixed a couple of their World Cups for them, but really, it isn’t just the Italians. And it isn’t just soccer.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 24, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Correction...
Not sure where you get your information from, but I’ll help you out with that word. In Italy, there are 2 words that refer to soccer: the ubiquitous futbol, and the more culturally specific calcio. Calcio cones from the verb calciare, meaning “to kick”. It has nothing to do with your idea of the word.
by DuckIt on Jun 24, 2010 12:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
it is "abbattersi"
right? ruling from DUCKIT our resident Italian expert is…
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
Haha. Residential Italian expert…thanks for the laugh.
Abbattersi— a loaded word. It means many things in the realm of “to bring down”, including “to demolish”, “to chop down”, “to knock down”, “to topple”, among many others. One would use it, reflexive or otherwise, talking about a falling tree (similar to the verb cadere), perhaps shooting down birds in a hunt, or, in this case, dragging down an opponent—physically or mentally.
The verb can also be used, in some cases, as “to demoralize” or “to dishearten”. You can see why the verb is perfect when referring to soccer, because dragging your opponent down or doing things that demoralize their psyche, such as faking dives to earn the ever-so crucial free kick, is integral to winning a game.
Conclusion: it is the perfect verb to use in the soccer world. However, the verb itself is never used as the noun referring to soccer. That is, in my years living in Italy, I never once heard soccer (futbol, calcio) referred to as abbattersi. Nevertheless, great word choice.
how do you say “Eat it!” in Italian?
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
It’s actually mangialo. Also, if you’re speaking to multiple people it would be mangiatelo. AND, depending on what “it” is, it could be mangiala, mangiali, ne mangia, and it could go on and on. Lastly, the concept of saying eat it in this case is uniquely American. Telling an Italian to “mangialo” in an attempt at gloating would elicit a blank, if nit outright confuse stare. That, friends, is a quick Italian lesson for the day.
I’m sure this wins most random/off topic/worthless post of the day award.
by DuckIt on Jun 24, 2010 6:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
if you’re speaking to multiple people it would be mangiatelo.
Why? Wouldn’t mangiatelo be a command towards one person in the you form? If you were addressing multiple people, I thought it would be mangino.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Nope
A command to one person in the you form would be mangialo (informal) or lo mangi (formal). A group of people, as in second person plural, takes the voi. Thus, mangiatelo/la/li/gli/etc. would be the command to multiple people in the you form. The only time mangiatelo would be used for singular second person (you) is in certain parts of southern Italy, where the voi form is still used as a formal you (unchanged from the days of Dante, Boccaccio, and Baroque era). Also, mangino would be referring to third person plural—“they” as opposed to “you guys”. Really, you would never use that form. When do you ever dish out the imperative to third person plural groups? I imagine never. Enough of esoteric speak.
You know much better than I. I've only taken six years of Spanish and very little Italian.
In my experience, it is very rare that what Italian calls the voi form and Spanish calls the vosotros is used. Maybe it’s more common in Italy, like you said. I was assuming that if we were addressing and commanding upon multiple people (including the formal of you guys), we’d use the third person plural. That’s more than likely to be used in Spanish.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
I’ve heard it’s used almost nowhere outside of Spain and this one South American country….I want to say Paraguay or Uruguay.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 25, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s actually mangialo. Also, if you’re speaking to multiple people it would be mangiatelo. AND, depending on what “it” is, it could be mangiala, mangiali, ne mangia, and it could go on and on. Lastly, the concept of saying eat it in this case is uniquely American. Telling an Italian to “mangialo” in an attempt at gloating would elicit a blank, if nit outright confuse stare. That, friends, is a quick Italian lesson for the day.
I’m sure this wins most random/off topic/worthless post of the day award.
by DuckIt on Jun 24, 2010 6:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Err, it was a match point as jtlight said. I’m a fool.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 24, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
OMFG IT'S OVER
USA! USA! USA!
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 24, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 24, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
this is nonsense.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Who does Isner play next?
That game is going to be pretty anti-climactic, especially if Isner just gets smoked.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
Ken Pomeroy brought up a good point yesterday
The Isner-Mahut match seems fishy. It’s so far off the charts, and was such an unrealistic outlier, that something seems off about it.
While I was thinking how crazy it would have been, and what an insane PR stunt it would have been… why pull such a stunt with pretty insignificant players?
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
In his words
It’s great PR for two journeymen players. This is the most play either one will probably ever get.
The thinking behind calling it fishy is that there were so many games in a row without a break that it seems odd. After all the years the game has been played, has there ever been a match that neither player’s serve was broken for 30 straight games? 50? This one went at least 140 straight games.
It’s freaky to have happen early in the day, but after playing so many hours, it’s very believable. I was not shocked that it kept going on yesterday.
They were serving at 100-120 MPH, but they were running a half their normal speed. They were gassed and sore, which is why the server always had the major advantage (And is why Isner also wanted to play out his serves last night before it was called).
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
Great PR, but wouldn't be worth the risk
If they have a chance to continue their careers, the risk of repetitive motion injury is very great… they may have shot their wad on one match.
I just cannot see that being the case
Mahut is basically unheard of, but Isner is an up and coming tennis star that is consistently near the top-20 in rankings. Not to mention, Mahut played a match over twenty games during qualification for Wimbledon.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Here's something kind of interesting:
I’m not attempting to provide this as evidence either for or against the claim that this match was fixed.
Let’s make a few unrealistic assumptions for a second:
1) The outcomes of games are independent of one another — nobody gets fatigued, frustrated, etc.
2) The chance of either player dropping a game that they served is the same. We’ll call this probability p.
Under these (again, unrealistic) assumptions, it’s very easy to calculate the probability that the match would go on as long as it did.
-If p = 0.10 (there is a 10% chance of someone dropping their own serving game), then the probability that set 5 would have taken at least 138 games is 0.0000487%.
-If p = 0.05, then the probability that set 5 would have taken at least 138 games is 0.0843%. (Make sure to read that correctly; it’s not 8%, it’s eight hundredths of one percent.)
-If p = 0.01, then the probability that the set would have taken at least 138 games is 24.98%. Obviously, this is quite realistic.
A few comments:
-I have absolutely no idea what a reasonable value for p would be, but I do know that the event of someone dropping their own serving game happened (more than once) during the first 4 sets.
-There’s an inherent statistical fallacy in making the kind of calculation that I’m making. This wasn’t an experiment that we designed beforehand and then ran; this is an ex-post-facto analysis of a strange occurrence.
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by ProbablyMonty on Jun 24, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know where you find tennis stats
But the p-value for each player (ie the percentage of times their serve is broken) should be relatively easy to find, shouldn’t it?
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 24, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
1) You’re hurting my brain.
2) Are we seriously still talking about tennis?
31-6, 45-21, 34-14, 55-34, 44-10, 43-19. Do you see the pattern?
The above link states:
Isner holds serve 88% of the time, and breaks serve 14% of the time.
Mahut holds serve 79% of the time and breaks serve 23% of the time.
There’s probably a fudge factor for grass, where it’s easier to hold serve. But from the above, p=.10 seems generous, which means the probability of this match happening is even less then 0.0000487%.
My inner math geek has somehow become EXTREMELY skeptical.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 24, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting.
I mean, this still isn’t a robust argument for all the reasons I listed in the original post, but it definitely makes you think.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 24, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
There were 3 breaks in the entire match
980 points, 3 breaks for a percentage of just over .3%. That’s not just improbable, that seems damn near impossible. 2 breaks in the first 2 sets, then none until the last one.
It just seems so off to me.
1) You’re hurting my brain.
I can’t help that. It’s my job. No, really.
2) Are we seriously still talking about tennis?In my defense, I started typing that quite a bit before I posted it. But I’ll still talk about this in the coming days anyway, because it’s never going to happen again. I study probability, so I totally geek out on this stuff. Plus, I think they’re going to fashion some sort of tiebreaking failsafe to prevent it from happening again.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 24, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
It definitely made me curious
After the “holy crap” feeling wore off yesterday, the math geek in me starting to wonder if something weird was going on. It just seemed to statistically impossible.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 24, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Terry Tao FTW
Of course, from a Bayesian viewpoint, perhaps the correct conclusion to draw from this is that the geometric distribution model is not valid for this particular match; there may be some other factor at play here (e.g. both players may perform markedly better when they are behind, to a far greater extent than most other pairings at Wimbledon.).
If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 24, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
So help me God
if you post an odds ratio in this thread I will rip your Bayesian heart out.
Sorry, med school flashbacks hit hard when I see the word ‘Bayesian’.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 24, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Stat off!
Two theories enter the cage. Only one can be victorious. Gentlemen, lllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetsssssssss geeeeeeeet ready to caaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllccccccccccccccccccccccculaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Hits the switch and Y’all ready for this starts playing
by Brian Floyd on Jun 24, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't possibly be "fishy"
Conspiracy theories are great. They are worth bringing into a lot of situations because a discussion usually ensues.
I just don’t think in this case it would be possible to pull it off. The consequences are probably too high to even think about agreeing in some fashion to plan this out. It would be the end of their careers if it were ever found out, and I’m pretty sure that one of them would eventually tell the wrong person. Especially for Isner who is ranked 19th in the world and is on the rise and predicted to be in the top 10 within the next couple of years.
Wizard Kelly just finished his first year at Hogwarts, what magic will he show us in year two? --- Go Ducks!
Statisically alone, it is fishy
Not saying there was actually conspiracy involved, but the statistical probability of something like this happening, with so many points earned without a break point is so improbable that it rightfully raises some eyebrows.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 24, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
And it will never happen again. I am a tennis buff, and watched all 11 hours of the match (over the course of the 3 days) and it was bizarre to say the least. The problem was – neither of them were able to return the other players serve from about 25 games all. Both have big serves, but not much of a return game. Either player against someone else and it would never happen the way it did. :)
You are absolutely correct in that it was probably statistically improbable that this could/would occur.
Wizard Kelly just finished his first year at Hogwarts, what magic will he show us in year two? --- Go Ducks!
Statistically improbable events happen every day.
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
Husky fans standing upright, for example.
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by Gorbachav5 on Jun 25, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the least surprising news of USC’s recruitment of that giant offensive lineman from Minnesota:
We noted yesterday how Kiffin and three other members of the USC football program took a private jet to visit Seantrel Henderson last week after the mammoth offensive tackle did not attend freshman orientation as expected. His father has since refused to comment on his son’s status, and now so is the son.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Honestly, if I were USC, I’d be thanking my lucky stars that we dodged a prima donna bullet. This kid is nuts.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 24, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
he’s probably mad his dad doesnt get a house anymore. i am shocked SHOCKED! that he felt Lane Kiffin ‘misrepresented’ the situation to him during the recruiting process. can football players just sign ‘financial aid’ deals, where they’re not bound by LOI’s, like the top college basketball recruits are starting to do?
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
No doubt the haters will have a field day
Do you not feel it’s pretty justified?
He can do all the homework that can be done, but it still doesn’t change the fact that he’s bringing in a kid who pled down DWI and possession. After the offseason you guys have had, it seems irresponsible…at least to somebody on the opposite side of the bias.
he’s not Richie Igcognito. that’s where the line is drawn. and since when is drinking and driving illegal in Texas?? i thought they were all about states’ rights and be independent libertarians.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I know
But as a a Duck hater, it seems like a terrible move that only proves that Kelly is motivated by wins, even at the expense of his integrity.
As a CFB fan in general, it seems sketchy and slimy at best.
I agree though, I thought DWI was a sport in the South.
by B Money on Jun 24, 2010 9:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Jesus, if Kelly were motivated by wins at the expense of his integrity, would he have suspended a linebacker that would have potentially had an impact for a year for a DUI? Many, many other coaches wouldn’t have been NEARLY as severe. I’m fairly sure that Masoli would still be remaining on some coaches’ rosters as well.
Are you Canzano?
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 24, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Where is my Wooden stake and garlic cloves, they're vampires aren't they
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
Why did you capitalize Wooden? May he rest in peace w/o the garlic
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
I'm sure Kelly wants to run the "right kind of program" ...
… but his style of management is confusing. Doesn’t it seem odd that he would run off his own players for alcohol offenses and then let one who was run off from Texas for the same issue transfer in. It is hard for those outside of Eugene to really understand the logic.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
but it doesnt mean he was.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
It wasn’t alcohol for this kid, and no one that I can think of got run off from Oregon for alcohol offenses. Each has been given a second chance…. just like this kid is doing.
I guess facts don’t make it out of Eugene which is why it must be hard to understand logic.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
Hi Gekko, how's the foot in mouth syndrome coming along?
Thank you track, baseball, softball, and golf for ending my summer hibernation.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 25, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe if you guys stopped inventing your own reality, it’d be easier to understand.
As Matt Daddy said, no one has been kicked off the team for a single alcohol related offense.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Ok. Kiko Alonso was given a year off for jaywalking?
No – he was set aside for “suspicion of driving while intoxicated”.
Marcus Davis was suspended for “suspicion of driving while intoxicated” and left the team after he plead out to a lesser charge.
Try not to open your mouth while your heads are buried in the sand. This is your program.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
They are fighting the claim that someone was ran off because of alcohol related offense.
Kiko Alonso wasn’t kicked off the team. He was suspended. He was also suspended because he screwed up right on the heels of Chip Kelly’s press conference regarding the other incidents. Kiko Alonso’s punishment wasn’t just because he was driving after too many drinks…
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
This statement directly contradicts your earlier statement.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
most AtQ fans are fairly reasonable about our head coach. he’s basically the best human being/father figure in the history of sport. He’s tough and fair and the locker room loves him. it doesn’t really matter what we (fans) think of his individual decisions or how he handles internal punishment.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Would you feel exactly the same had he transfered to UW? Would all of Husky nation feel the same? Would they bash on Sarkisian for bringing in a kid with some issues behind him? Are we certain that none of UW’s recent high-profile recruits has no legal issues in his past?
I completely respect your hate. But I can’t buy into the “Kelly is motivated by wins at the expense of his integrity.” If this kids keeps his nose clean, graduates, plays great ball at Oregon, has a nice NFL career and fosters a nice charitable foundation, that statement’s gonna sound pretty foolish.
31-6, 45-21, 34-14, 55-34, 44-10, 43-19. Do you see the pattern?
Exactly. I think kids do some unreasonable things when they’re that young. Brett Favre used to be addicted to pills. Do we consider him to be nothing more than a nice guy? No. (Well, maybe annoying as hell since he can’t seem to make up his mind.)
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 24, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Brett Favre is a POS...
… until two years after he retires.
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
or, worst case scenario, he gets ahold of that good Oregon weed, gets busted, kicked off the team and never steps foot on to that new ACL-friendly Autzen turf. i’m still not sure how that effects Kelly’s integrity. Chip Kelly almost ended the War on Terrorism single-handedly this summer. what was Sark up to?
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Chip Kelly's agenda for July
1) Famine
2) AIDS in Africa
3) Fine-tune 3-4 defense with Aliotti
4) Scour Skid Row and state penitentiaries near every major metropolitan American city for back-up strong safety
5) Find bin Laden
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 24, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You forgot watch the tape of the New Mexico game a thousand times
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
I lolz'd for real at work
well done. so does that mean June is Wazzu tape month? no wonder he had extra time to scour skid row.
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
I can honestly say i would
now in the case of some overblown HS stuff (like Masoli for example), I can overlook that. However, if they come in with prior convictions at the college level, then hell yes I’d take issue.
Neither UO or UW need to take those risks. The WSU’s and Idaho’s of the world who would jump at the chance to get a big time player, it’s understandable if still not okay with me.
It’s not like UW is problem free, our starting DE was kicked off the team for stomping somebody while drunk. But inheriting a player with priors is an entirely different scenario.
by B Money on Jun 24, 2010 10:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it impossible to make a mistake and then never make another again? Have you never made a mistake and then been given a second chance?
Second chances isn't my point
At least from within. This kid is being brought in with priors from a different program.
Agree to disagree I guess, but I’m just giving you an outsider perspective.
I’d like to get Cougfan’s take on this, he’ll be a bit more neutral than myself.
by B Money on Jun 24, 2010 10:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s not that I don’t appreciate an outsider’s opinion, it’s just that I firmly believe that people (especially at college age) should get a chance to redeem themselves after their first mistake (assuming their mistake isn’t murder or something highly egregious). For example, we brought in Onterrio Smith after he was let go at Tennessee, and though he got in trouble for owning a Whizzinator in the NFL (which I still don’t know why that is worse than what Big Ben or Pacman have done), he kept himself out of trouble while at Oregon.
Now I'm all thinking about probabilities, but what are the outcomes here?
1. He plays, keeps his nose clean, and no one says another word about it.
2. He screws up, Kelly kicks him off the team, and that’s that
I don’t understand what the problem is. Kelly has shown a willingness to punish players who don’t follow his guidelines. If this kid doesn’t follow guidelines, he’ll be punished, most likely with a significant suspension or removal from the team entirely. But there’s also a chance that the guy can redeem himself, in which case it will be a success story. I have zero problem with this.
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EXACTLY!
and I would have a much bigger problem with this if players on the team were screwing up and NOT getting punished. If this kid was going to be a screw-off, wouldn’t Oregon be the last place he wanted to go.
“Let’s see, I’ll go to a school that has a microscope on it from recent troubles and to a coach who has shown that he will punish guys when they get in trouble. That’s where I’m going to get away with stuff…”
Personally, I like to think about the parents in this situation taking a stand and telling their son, no, this is the coach and school you’re going to go to… we know that coach will help you right yourself.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
Look
He’s going to have a year to figure shit out, or not. If he screws up again, no harm no foul. its not like we didn’t have a few extra schollys lying around after this offseason, So we can afford to take a chance on a guy. I’m sure theres very very strict guidelines for him to follow, so if he screws up again, its a failure sure, but it’s not a very big one imo.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
i love the move. this kid could be the missing piece in oregon’s quest at the ever ellusive fulmer cup.
by WhenDUXattacK! on Jun 24, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Why would irrational hate be justified? It would be justified if Kelly was letting players run rampant and not be accountable for their actions. That’s obviously not the case.
As for irresponsibility, I just don’t get this at all. In what way is this irresponsible? I applaud Kelly for giving kids second chances. People make mistakes, but it’s also about bringing a change of behavior. Kelly has shown that he won’t tolerate multiple infractions, and that all will be held accountable for their actions, but a single screw up won’t be the end of your career. I support this policy 100%, and not just as a Duck fan, but in general.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
B Money – I have no problem with all the negativity. People have a right to poke us. I have the right to ignore it.
I don’t agree that Oregon’s accepting this transfer is irresponsible. I think people sewing all of these cases of individual issues together is irresponsible. Does it look good from a PR standpoint? No, definitely not. I think we know where Chip Kelly stands on that topic. It’s one individual case, with problems that didn’t occur in Eugene, and in no way connected to Oregon’s off-season of continual stupidity. Still, I’m sure the kid’s on a short leash.
31-6, 45-21, 34-14, 55-34, 44-10, 43-19. Do you see the pattern?
Maybe irresponsible was the wrong word
But it seems to me like a bad idea at this stage to bring in a kid who left a program after discipline
issues, into this environment.
I guess I see mixed signals, I have no problems with second chances, but it smacks of another case of Kelly being uneven with his policies.
by B Money on Jun 24, 2010 10:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
it smacks of another case of Kelly being uneven with his policies.
What? In what way. I would love some examples on this.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I'll lay a couple out when I can get to a PC to fact check myself before spewing any more
That was out of line seeing as I can’t back it up right now.
But with Masoli getting a second chance with a theft charge, James getting a second chance after (albeit foggy detailed) Domestic violence charges, the LB (forgot hos name) got dismissed after a DUI. There just hasn’t been a solid pattern in my eyes. Not to mention Blount’s suspension getting cut short.
by B Money on Jun 24, 2010 10:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The LB wasn’t dismissed, but suspended.
I just don’t understand how people can not see this pattern. It’s pretty damn clear.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
/yawn
Really, are we doing this again?
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 24, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Then I stand corrected, I apologize
I read somewhere that he was dismissed from the team.
In that scenario, timing seemed to outweigh the actual crime. But if was just a suspension, then it seems fair I suppose. How long was it.
by B Money on Jun 24, 2010 10:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve always been a big believer in this rule: if its something you did or something similar to something you did in college, then get over it. So MIPs, DUIs, marihuana possession = worthy of another chance.
I don’t see how this differs from Kelly’s position with Alonso.
Also you said people will think Kelly’s more concerned about winning, I don’t follow that. Last time I checked our secondary is arguably our strongest group. I think Kelly’s thinking is he could provide some value to our group and we can also help him recover from his issue (i.e. Blount).
by westspec on Jun 24, 2010 11:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is what frustrates me the most from those that lob judgment at Kelly
it smacks of another case of Kelly being uneven with his policies.
I can think of only one time where the mere perception of inconsistency could be implied, and that was with how hard he laid the wood to Alonso for his DUI. But in that case he was inconsistent on the end of the spectrum of being too tough, instead of not tough enough (plus, we don’t know what Alonso and Kelly discussed, so it’s only speculation from outsiders).
But in every case Kelly has taken the same approach.
1. Talk to the player and get their side of the story
2. Gather all evidence of what actually happened
3. Talk with other people about how he should approach the situation
4. Levy a harsh but fair judgment on the player’s action
5. If necessary, give player a chance to redeem himself
6. Rinse. Repeat
As a father figure to the players like Kelly is, this type of consistency is difficult to do every time, especially since Kelly is human and prone to emotional reactions just like all of us. I have not been consistent with my kids 100% of the time, nobody probably has, but I sure try to be. Kelly has done a great job of it, under extreme conditions.
He’s given the player the benefit of the doubt and supported him on their discussion. This signals to ALL the team that if you are accused of something, Kelly WILL LISTEN to your side of the story. He’s not going to over-react and hammer you just because of what someone else (media, fans, classmates, etc) says. He then takes the time to gather all the information so that he’s not making a rash decision but taking all information into account. That includes the perspective of people outside of his office. He’s willing to admit that he doesn’t know everything and is looking for help.
After all that he hands out a harsh punishment (Blount full year suspension, Masoli full year suspension, Alonso full year suspension, Holland and Simms (and later Masoli) off the team, Beard and James one games suspension) but if necessary he gives a chance to redeem yourself and make it back (Blount, Masoli, Alonso). Once again showing the entire team that he’s not going to just dismiss you and throw you out because you screwed up, but also give you a chance to learn from your mistakes.
Life is about learning from your mistakes and Kelly gives his players that chance, even when some of us think it’s unnecessary. You know who appreciates this the most… Parents (see: Dungy, Tony). Having talked to some parents of players I can tell you that they see this as a sign of strength in Kelly and with Oregon. That he will not discard their child because of a mistake they make (just like a parent wouldn’t) but instead will try and help their child learn from it and make themselves a better person for it (see: Blount, LeGarrette).
This second chance is just another sign of that. I have to think that if my child was in trouble and needed to go to a program that will be harsh but fair to him, Oregon would be near the top of my list and Kelly would be a coach I could actually believe that he was going to give my kid a fair shake (not baby him if he does get in trouble, and not hold him to a higher standard just because he has gotten in trouble). I would be pretty damn certain that Kelly will be consistent and fair and at the same time give that kid a chance to make himself a better person.
/end rant
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
by Matt Daddy on Jun 24, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 27 recs
This post should be the most-rec’d EVER on AtQ.
It’s up to 13 already, after only 5 hours. Come on, the rest of you, hit that link under “actions”…
[em] this sig for rent [/em]
I'M GIVIN' 'ER ALL SHE'S GOT, CAP'N
I CAN’T MAKE ’ER ANY GREENER!
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 24, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I flagged it.
Fire Matt Daddy!!!
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
Aw shucks, Dad, thanks.
Thank you track, baseball, softball, and golf for ending my summer hibernation.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 24, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm, funny that B Money hasn't been back since this was posted.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 24, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
What would you like me to say
we disagree on the fundamental issue of second chances and when they are deserved.
If I was a parent, the fact that a coach is going to allow my kid to screw up and continue to play football on their dime isn’t okay with me. I’ve gotten into trouble before, never legal trouble, but trouble none the less. I didn’t deserve a second chance. Nobody deserves second chances until they work and earn it.
This kid may or may not, but I think Chips logic is skewed on how to handle young men and the aura of “privilage” that already surrounds college athletes. It’s a disagreement, and not one that I see any value in carrying on.
If jake locker got a DUI, what would you expect from Coach Sarkisian
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
Nobody deserves second chances until they work and earn it.
This is exactly how Kelly has treated these situations. Every single player that has had legal issues has faced harsh punishment, and faced an uphill battle to earn their playing time back. LB Alonso (DUI) was suspended for a year. Masoli was suspended for a year, then kicked off the team because he did not follow through with the strict plan to earn his time back. Blount was suspended for 8 games and earned a spot on the roster back. James is suspended for at least the first game of the season (you may disagree with this assessment, after reading all the court documents, I do not).
This is simply not an attitude of allowing screw-ups with no consequences. There are clear and obvious consequences that allow a path to redemption and growth. And that is ultimately what punishment is about.
The problem here is that every single Husky fan I’ve seen talk about this situation is talking out of total ignorance. You, Gekko, and Berkowitz just simply do not know the basic facts of these cases. Yet, you criticize anyway.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
at what point can i pass the "i'm porn and i'm special" sticker off to them?
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
I'm fairly sure CK has let him know that he's going to have to walk the straight and narrow.
If he slips up, he’s gone. I guarantee it.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 24, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
As a Duck homer, I think I can safely speak for all of us when I say that we’ll all take an “In Kelly We Trust” attitude. If he decided to take this kid on despite all the distractions that have happened this off-season, then he must be confident about the kid’s ability to keep his nose clean.
I haven’t found a reason to blame Chip for any of what’s happened so far, so he still has my trust.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 24, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
What he did doesn’t even sound that bad. Apparently he was on some anxiety medication and was arrested for driving on a flat tire. Read here.
According to a police report in Pearland, Texas, police received a 6:48 a.m. report on Nov. 29 describing a blue SUV riding on the rim of at least one blown tire and subsequently arrested Davis, then 18. The police report indicated that the controlled substance was Alprazolam, a medication prescribed to control anxiety.
Ultimately, that charge was dropped. In December, Davis pleaded guilty to reckless driving, a misdemeanor. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail, probation for a year, fined $200 and ordered to pay court costs and other restitution and fees totalling $1,630. He also was ordered to complete 60 hours of community service; court records show that he completed the community service by late April.
Kelly said "what he got pulled over for and what he got charged with are two different things." He said that Davis was driving on a flat tire. (The police report indicated that the SUV’s spare tire also was flat.)
why did he have to leave TX then?
Did he not like it, was he not getting playing time, because he sure as hell wouldn’t have gotten kicked off their team if he was a playmaker
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
He was indefinitely suspended, and then decided to transfer.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
My UT friend
said that he was kind of caught up in a wave of disciplinary action. Some other players did stupid stuff and got busted, and he got sucked into the jet wash.
He also said he remembered him being promising.
The best call in the history of sport. and i dont even know what he is saying but for a few words:
http://www.fanaticos.com/2010/06/23/asi-narro-andres-cantor-el-gol-de-landon-donovan/?sms_ss=twitter
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Best call in the history of sports? Let me translate it for you:
Huard is gonna go back to throw the ball. Sets up, looks, throws towards the corner of the end zone. It is INTERCEPTED! INTERCEPTED! THE DUCKS HAVE THE BALL! DOWN AT THE 35! THE 40! KENNY WHEATON IS GONNA SCORE! KENNY WHEATON IS GONNA SCORE! 20! THE 10! TOUCHDOOWWN! KENNY WHEATON ON THE INTERCEPTION! THE MOST IMPROBABLE FINISH TO THE FOOTBALL GAME!
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
by JShufelt on Jun 24, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Love it!
What I’ve never been able to do is write out that quote to properly reflect the wavering “I’m not gonna cry on air. I’m not gonna cry on air.” sound in Jerry’s voice.
31-6, 45-21, 34-14, 55-34, 44-10, 43-19. Do you see the pattern?
you win. convincingly. my entry wins “Best Call – non-English” category.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
May that moment in sports always be remembered as “El gol de Landon Donovan.”
31-6, 45-21, 34-14, 55-34, 44-10, 43-19. Do you see the pattern?
ESPN 3 stopped working for me so I had to watch the univision stream
The whole game was spanish to me. !Es el major partido de futbol en el coppa del mundial! El gol de Donovan esta fantastico.
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
by trumpetduck on Jun 24, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Puedo traducir para tu!
Para un recargo pequeno.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 24, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I think this needs an exclmation point or other pause between "Wheaton" and "on the interception".
Other than that, well, FUCK YEAH!
Thank you track, baseball, softball, and golf for ending my summer hibernation.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 24, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d like to nominate Andres Cantor as an honorary Duck fan. He’d fit in perfectly at Autzen on game day. He’ll just start with a “g” and end with an “l”.
gOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl.
31-6, 45-21, 34-14, 55-34, 44-10, 43-19. Do you see the pattern?
For MarineCorpsDuck:
Why are you guys doing that? Can’t you see we’re on Defense? On “D”?
Who’s with me?
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE… eeee. e.eeeeeEEEEeee.e..e.eeee…eeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Thank you track, baseball, softball, and golf for ending my summer hibernation.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 24, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone has been to youtube since yesterday, right?
If you haven’t, go find a video and press the soccer ball button.
soccer ball button?
Q: How come Oregon State players haven't gotten in trouble for stealing anything from a frat house?
A: Who wants to steal a lunchbox?
by QuackQuackAttack on Jun 24, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
what a surprising outcome...
Now repping the Ducks in Koreatown, Los Angeles CA, and repping them hard.
by trumpetduck on Jun 24, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
suggestion
for the rest of the USA run in the WC—Addicted To Quack: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
I just heard a rumor that Chip Kelly is trying to trade for Chris Paul today. Anybody know if it’s legit?
Chip Kelly has a unicorn?
If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 24, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh. Well, all the NOLA media is reporting that any trade for CP3 must involve an actually unicorn.
If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 24, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, I'm now calling "Chip" Bellerophon at random intervals.
If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 24, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, two typing fails. I should stop multitasking.
If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 24, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Be more like an iPad, less like an Android device!
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
Apple = Boise State.
If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 24, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
From Lolo Jones' Twitter:
RT @USATrack_Field: Watch some great interviews with Sanya, Lolo, Galen & Jeremy from today’s press conf http://cot.ag/ag1vSb #USAchamps"
I feel fairly confident that if “Track” and “Galen” both appear in a 140-character block, I know whom they mean. (I haven’t watched it yet.)
If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.
Massive OT
but the blazers fired Kevin Pritchard literally 1 hour ago. blazersedge article
@ WOJO Paul Allen delivers a final, stunning, and ultimately vicious public humiliation of Kevin Pritchard: Firing him on draft night? Unreal.
What a fucking low blow.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
When Allen appoints himself GM and trades for Rasheed Wallace,
then you’ll know you’re in trouble.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 24, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
At the risk of agreeing with you..
seriously, WTF is wrong with Paul Allen?
[em] this sig for rent [/em]
1 too many computer chips into his brain.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
While I'm as angry as the rest of Blazers fans who liked Pritchard, we seriously don't know what really happened between him and Allen.
Allen could or could not have his own perfectly reasonable justifications for Pritchard’s termination. Let’s not jump to conclusions.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Well let's see you try to justify it then
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
He says not to jump to conclusions, and then you tell him to justify it?
WTF?
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
anyone can look at this from both sides of the argument. However, I can’t seem to find any reason to fire Pritchard short of him sleeping with Allen’s secretary in Allen’s office or something
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
PA hired Whitsitt and, let him
turn the Blazers into a massively expensive joke, then gave him the Seahawks as a golden parachute. Let’s just say there’s more reason to question PA’s judgment than there is not to.
Oh, of course. I've never liked Paul Allen's judgment.
But we cannot forget that he is the piston by which the Blazers run. His money has straight up bought so many players and opportunities for the franchise. Again, maybe it would all be better if he were to stay out of the GM office and let his subordinates do their jobs. Maybe it wouldn’t. We can only speculate.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
which is what we're all doing?
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
ok, moving on
i’m just confused as to what logistical justification there could be for this move.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
I'm going with the wife-sleeping thing
Cougfan is right, this had been rumored for a while, but this is the GM who took the Blazers from being a laughingstock, vilified by their entire fan base, and turned them into an incredibly likeable, overachieving, potential-through-the-roof franchise.
Or maybe PA is pissed they didn’t take Durant, who knows.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 24, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
I mean the oden thing didnt work out. but Roy, Aldridge, Batum, Bayless, etc. seem to outweigh that.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
I heard it was a knee injury
Spread option strikes again
on the NBA Draft coverage: Jay Bilas just compared Gordon Heyward to Luke Jackson
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
Damning with faint praise.
I LOVE LUKE JACKSON THOUGH.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 24, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
In the shocker of the 2010 NBA Draft, the Utah Jazz select a white guy in the first round.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 24, 2010 5:35 PM PDT reply actions
I’m glad you enjoyed it. Yay for me not couging it.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 25, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Paul Allen is a dick. Even if KP had to go you don’t need to be an asshole about it. In the end Allen is going to look like the douchebag he is and KP will find another job. It’s just a shame to leave the guy swinging in the breeze for so long and then can him on draft day, the day he’s used each year to rebuild this team after Allen shit all over it with the huge contracts to Puffy and Biggie and all those other gangsters none of us went to see.
Hahaha, Cole Aldrich will fit in much better in Oklahoma City than New Orleans, you’d have to think.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 24, 2010 5:41 PM PDT reply actions
the first (official) trade of the day goes down
Aldrich and Morris Peterson from NO to OKC for the 18th and 21st picks
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
Actually it's the second trade
The Blazer’s gave up Kevin Pritchard in exchange for Paul Allen’s ego.
Bowl News
The Sun Bowl will no longer be sponsored by Brut. Hyundai takes over the sponsorship.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
Aaron Brooks gets a new toy in Houston
Patrick Patterson from Kentucky.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
YESSS PRITCHARD STRIKES ONE MORE TIME
luke babbit and ryan gomes from minnesota for martell webster
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
Eliott Williams to Portland.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
apparently, the blazers can only draft left-handed kids from mid-majors…awesome.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
especially when Damion James is still on the board.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
You guys have all the fun
See, us Laker fans never get to be excited about the draft :P
Although, I gotta say, despite having shitty draft position, I’m pretty stoked we scored Devin Ebanks and Derrick Caracter…I feel like those guys were undervalued
The O is the new U
I tuned that out as soon as I saw the L word
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
Lakers!
Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers! Lakers!
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"
by JShufelt on Jun 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Flagged for hating America.
If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 25, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
There aren’t even any fucking LAKES down there!
by JonathanPDX on Jun 25, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait,
Is THAT how many titles the Lakers have won now?
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
flagged for being a terrorist.
My god, they should take [The vuvuzelsas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"
--Rick Reilly
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