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Where I Come From: Wouldn't Want to Go Back

There's a lot of nostalgia around here lately, what with EA pimping NCAA 11 by asking us to comment on our favorite players, favorite teams, and such like. 

All well and good. I like looking back as much as anyone -- probably more than most. But my favorite team is the one I'm looking forward to seeing this fall. Just like last year, and the year before that.

We're in a golden age right now, as far as Our National Obsession is concerned.

I didn't realize it at the time, but it must have really sucked to be a college football fan in 1985.  (I pick '85 because the median age on this board seems to be under 30; and anybody old enough to have been a fan in '85 will likely be sitting in his rocking office chair quietly issuing affirmations between hits of Metamucil. Since most of the rest of you don't go back much farther than The Pick, if you're being honest, 25 years is a nice generational timespan for reflection. And in many ways, 1985 wasn't a lot different than 1960, so it's a reasonable proxy.)

25 years ago..

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BYU was the defending national champion. That's a good place to start. OK, enough of that.

Division 1-A was beginning to show signs of parity not seen since the pre-WWII era. In contrast with the 70s, when "That Old Gang of Nine" -- Oklahoma, 'Bama, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, tOSU, ND, Texas and Penn State -- dominated the polls and provided a decade of boring elitist football, a number of semi-traditional powers had begun asserting themselves by the mid-80s. Florida went from winless in '79 to SEC champs in '84 to probation in '85. SMU was in its pre-death-penalty heyday as the dominant program in Texas. Iowa was competitive in the Big10, Maryland in the ACC, and Washington was the dominant program in the Pac-10 with USC on probation. Notre Dame's death spiral had commenced under Gerry Faust. The SEC was in the midst of a national championship drought that went from 1980 (Georgia) to 1992 (Bama). "The U" dominated football in the South for a decade.

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The extent of Oregon's 1985 prospects were summed up in the SI preview issue:

The Quack Attack is back at Oregon, where a full house returns in the backfield, including tailback Tony Cherry, who averaged 6.5 yards per carry in 1984. Who knows? The routinely ugly Ducklings could finish in the upper division. 

(They didn't.)

Nationally, the sport was mixing itself up. Parity had arrived, thanks in large part to scholarship limits that kept the big boys from putting 50 players on a free ride every year. 

But in 1985, hardly anyone could get in on the fun. 

The NCAA for decades held a stranglehold on televised games -- only allowing eight nationally televised games per year, along with five regional games, to be broadcast on the major TV networks during the season. With so few games broadcast, it was unusual to see anything unusual. But in 1985, a year after the Supreme Court ended the NCAA scheduling monopoly, the College Football Association -- essentially, Division 1-A minus the Big10 and Pac-10 -- took over de facto control of broadcast rights. The CFA hooked up with ABC; the Not-CFA went to CBS. Cable channels, like the young but growing ESPN, picked up the CFA scraps. 

Not many of those scraps were fed to Pac-10 fans. Admittedly, the Pac kind of stank in '85, with only one team in the national top 5 all year -- USC, for just two weeks in September -- so we weren't missing much. The league was still shaking off the dust from the probation years. Although Washington finished #2 in 1984, the only ranked team at the end of '85 was #7 UCLA.

Regardless, Tom Hansen didn't exactly assert himself as a rookie commish of the conference when it came to TV exposure. (Some things never change.) And you hardly ever saw a TV game with Pac-10 teams, unless it was USC vs Notre Dame, which managed to get on the air every year.

A typical 1985 TV game schedule looked like this one, from October 19, if you lived in Eugene:

  • 9am Purdue @ Ohio St  (KVAL)
  • 9:30 Tennessee @ Alabama (TBS)
  • 9:30 Army @ Notre Dame (USA)
  • 9:30 Minnesota @ Indiana (KECH-22)
  • Noon Miami @ Oklahoma (KEZI)
  • 12:30 Michigan @ Iowa (KVAL)
  • 4:00 Kentucky @ LSU (ESPN)

That's all, folks. This was viewed as an improvement. (In '77, Oregon's game at Stanford was on ABC. It was the *only* college football game seen in Eugene that day, on any channel.)

Still, the new broadcast arrangements at least made it possible for games to be "telecast" regionally. But even games that were "on TV" wouldn't necessarily make it onto *your* TV. Reason? Blackouts.

In 1985, Oregon's first game -- a late August date at WSU -- was televised nationally on WTBS. That was the only TV appearance within the state of Oregon for the Ducks all season. (And it was a split gate; the Wazzu game was scheduled directly against ESPN's broadcast of Purdue v Pitt.) A September game at Autzen against Stanford was televised.. in Northern California, for Stanford's benefit. It was broadcast on the Bay Area station KTVU, a channel carried on cable systems in Oregon, but the game was blacked out north of the border. Nobody wanted to jeopardize the gate back in the day, and with good reason; a team as numbingly average as Oregon was in the 1980s couldn't expect to come close to selling out home games. The '84 team that went 6-5 didn't attract more than 30,000 all year. Why risk anything? 

If you wanted to see Oregon play, you needed to get your ass to a game. (You could occasionally catch a rebroadcast of a game; when Oregon tied Notre Dame in '82, the game was replayed on ESPN four times over the next two days. The not-yet-World-Wide-Leader didn't have a lot of programming depth back then, giving fans plenty of time to figure out how to program their Betamax.)

Polls? There was no "ESPN USA Today Top 25", or any other Top 25. There was an AP Top 20, and a UPI Top 20, UPI being the "coaches" poll. The polls came out on Monday. Teams not making the top 20 were typically listed as "Others receiving votes, listed alphabetically"; you never knew, or cared, who was ranked #21. 

If there was anything like sports talk radio, it hadn't hit Oregon. Stations that broadcast the games would have pre-game and post-game call-ins, but nothing like the multiple 24-hour jock talk we have now.

Interested in recruiting? You could sign up with Tom Lemming or Joe Terranova and receive a mimeographed newsletter via mail, or subscribe to Max Emfinger's "National High School Football Magazine". Or make friends with the coaching staff. Otherwise, you had to wait until the local papers reported on your favorite school's news conference on signing day.

As for post-season play, there wasn't much of it. Teams had to earn their bowl bids through a combination of reputation, ass-kissing, under-the-table largesse, and sometimes actual field results. Lots of decent teams were left home when we had only 15 bowl games. Then as now, the only ones anyone paid attention to were the New Years Day games -- Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar and Orange. All of which were played on New Years Day. You usually had to choose between pairs of games -- on 1/1/86, you could watch the Fiesta or the Cotton at 10:30, the Rose unencumbered at 1:30, then flip between the Orange and the Sugar while you ate leftover pizza from New Years Eve for dinner, washed down with Bud Light. If you were really techno-savvy, you had one of them "PIP" TVs that let you watch one game in a little corner of your 27" Trinitron. More likely, you taped one game and watched the other one live. 

Video games?  Madden wasn't even conceived until '86, and didn't make it onto a platform until "John Madden Football" was released for the Apple II in '89. All we had in '85 were titles like "Superbowl Sunday" for the C-64, and some 8-bit pixellated crap on the Atari, if it still worked after all that bongwater you spilled on it. There was no college format game until Micro Sports released "All-American College Football" for DOS in 1991.

If you wanted games, you could play Strat-o-Matic football on the floor in your bedroom. Or fold up a piece of notebook paper and play Table Football in the library. Or go outside and throw a ball around.

Don't let your parents kid you. The good old days weren't all that good. 

If, in 2010, we have too much of a good thing, with 60 teams in bowl games, wall-to-wall coverage from Thursday night until Saturday night, myriad web sites to dissect things before during and after, updates of recruiting status available instantly via Twitter.. well, at least it's a good thing that there is too much of. 

So, enjoy your nostalgia. It's best served when it's kept warm, right?

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Thanks. Nostalgia is a bit painful for you guys, isn’t it?

Of course, you have those two three four national championships to fall back on..

[em] this sig for rent [/em]

by benzduck on Jul 12, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is lately...

One day we’ll win one, then I’ll come rub it in your face. Until then I’ll just sit quietly in the corner.

As far as the titles, do I look like an Alabama fan to you? We have one title in 91’ and we got jobbed out of one in 60’ and 84’. But history is history, and until the AP decides to recognize it, we have 1.

by B Money on Jul 13, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, Wikipedia don’t lie!

The history on that page is pretty funny. Someone says you won 4, someone else cuts it back to 2, someone else makes it 4 again.

You’d have a better case for being jobbed in ‘84 if BYU hadn’t kicked your ass in ’85, IMHO.

[em] this sig for rent [/em]

by benzduck on Jul 14, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

1960 Minnesota, "National Champions"*
  • = LOST in the Rose Bowl, invalidating actuality of title

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 16, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

UW did beat AP Trophy winning Minnesota in that Rose Bowl ...

… but that didn’t invalidate Minnesota’s winning of that trophy. The listing of UW as #1 in the Helms poll is what created the split (at least in the minds of us Husky Fans) given that there was no central mechanism for defining a national champ.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Jul 18, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Washington beating Minnesota in 1960

The end of the dominance of Minnesota football. It’s been ALL downhill from there, given the lack of any sort of conference title in football since 1968…

And I love it.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 18, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome read as always, benzduck. It’s hard to imagine the world of sports being like that just 25 year ago.

Don't look those hoodie-clad Huskies in the eyes. They'll give you lupus.

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 11, 2010 1:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks. Whe I was your age, it was 1973, and an equivalent look back for me would have been 1958. And the only significant changes in CFB between ’58 and ’73 were in the areas of racial integration of the southern teams, and instant replay. Quite a generational shift, IMHO.

[em] this sig for rent [/em]

by benzduck on Jul 11, 2010 1:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Of course I meant 1948.

[em] this sig for rent [/em]

by benzduck on Jul 11, 2010 1:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

And games being broadcast in color.

Makes you wonder what things will be like in 2035.

Don't look those hoodie-clad Huskies in the eyes. They'll give you lupus.

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 11, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure we will see fiber-optic turf by then. At least I hope to be around to complain that we don’t have it yet.

[em] this sig for rent [/em]

by benzduck on Jul 12, 2010 8:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rec'd for hot mustalgia

"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA

by Famous Duck on Jul 11, 2010 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

theres no quack fix so I'm posting it here

If Landon Donovan never has to pay for a beer again for his goal against Algeria, then what does Iniesta never have to pay for in Spain for winning the WC for them.

My god, they should take [The vuvuzelas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"

--Rick Reilly

by axemen23 on Jul 11, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Sangria?

[em] this sig for rent [/em]

by benzduck on Jul 11, 2010 2:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That’s what I was thinking.

Don't look those hoodie-clad Huskies in the eyes. They'll give you lupus.

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 11, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

spanish fly…and ladies…

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Jul 11, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Head.

Matt Daddy is ATQ’s #1 WNBA Fan.

by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 12, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome post. We live in a great time to be not only Oregon fans, but college football fans.

Also, I really liked reading that old Toledo paper story on the MSU and Michigan recruiting classes. What was really striking was the amount of local talent that those schools grabbed. It’s not a surprise it took Oregon so long to because nationally significant in college football considering the amount of high school talent in Oregon.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jul 11, 2010 9:04 PM PDT reply actions  

AtQ is broken, it will only let me rec this post once. Somebody needs to fix this error, clearly this post deserves more than one rec at a time.

You’re right about the past, and I think we’re at a pretty special place going forward too. We’re watching the first steps of a new coach who has the potential for great things.

Someday we’ll be updating the Integrated Wiki Neural Network CyberThought Sharing Center with info on the Ducks of the past, with things like "In just his first year as head coach, Chip “Win The Day” Kelly took his underdog Ducks team all the way to the Rose Bowl. " Axemen23 will be sitting in the AtQ HoloDeck Reminiscence Chamber telling stories to the kids about way back in the day when Nate Costa beat USC in their house, or when Seastrunk won Rose Bowl MVP. And the disembodied heads of Musgrave and TNQuackAttack (tragic gardening accident) will taunt him from their clear, water-filled jars.

Yeah, I can’t wait for the future either. To the Delorean!

by JonathanPDX on Jul 12, 2010 12:12 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Cool it Mcfly

I think we’ll all just have microchips in our brains that allow us to communicate via thought. That way, when you’re sitting in your Texas-sized Super-Nursing Home, I can just yell in my brain “lawn. LAWNNNNNNN. LAAAAAAWN.” and you’ll freak out.

My god, they should take [The vuvuzelas] into the mountainous caves region of Pakistan and play them until Osama bin Laden comes running out, screaming, "OK, OK! I give!"

--Rick Reilly

by axemen23 on Jul 12, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love you, Benzduck.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"

by JShufelt on Jul 12, 2010 9:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Thank you Professor Benz

I can’t tell you how much I look forward to your fanposts and this is another really expectional offering! You make all of us AtQers a bit smarter (and God knows we can use it).

by daisyduck on Jul 12, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions  

+1 on that.

I need all the edumication I can get.

If Duke ever built a Cameron Outdoor Stadium, it would be Autzen.

by DuckinNC on Jul 12, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is, quite simply, a great read! Thank you, benzduck.

by echo31 on Jul 12, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Great post, as always, Benz. Thanks for the retrospective.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Jul 13, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

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