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If you haven’t watched this before, read the SI.com article and then watch Don’t Talk to the Police
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by Matt Daddy on Jul 29, 2010 9:31 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
And if your Attorney or legal advisor tells you to talk to the police…
1. You still don’t have to say anything to the police.
2. Don’t lie about a damn thing. Don’t offer any evidence.
Really, a good attorney will answer questions for you.
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-R-E-A-K-I-N-H-E-R-O-U-T-M-A-N"
by JShufelt on Jul 29, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
And of course
Request an attorney as soon as you possibly can.
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here's where he went wrong
During his 10-minute walk home Masoli was referred to a legal services hotline by a family member
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That isn’t that bad. That’s often how people find lawyers.
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-R-E-A-K-I-N-H-E-R-O-U-T-M-A-N"
but they reccommended a divorce lawyer for a burglary case.
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Its not a serious criminal charge
Any competent lawyer should have been able to handle something as relatively simple as this.
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anything that can get you 2 to 4 years mandatory jail time is a serious charge IMO
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Look my dad is a lawyer (he doesn't do criminal cases though)
And he would tell you anything is a serious charge but that in the scheme of things this is not.
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He’s also a criminal defense attorney. And in this case should have done the right thing and told the client. DON’T SAY A DAMN WORD!!!
Bad lawyer.
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it still all comes down to this
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I'm so angry at that attorney John Kim
that’s the worst legal advice I have ever seen given by an attorney.
“Hey Mr. Kim, the police are at my house and want to ask me about something that could get me in a lot of trouble. What should I do?”
“Go ahead and give them a statement.”
“What? You’re FIRED!!!”
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Just googled him
Dude is primarily a divorce lawyer.
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This is from his website
Mr. Kim is a past President of the Lane County Bar Association, 2004-2005. Mr Kim is also a trial practice instructor at the University of Oregon School of Law.
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I'm going to post these over here as well just for reference sake
Wolfard is sitting in a Eugene coffee shop listening to a relayed version of Masoli’s account of that night. At the end of it, he says, "By his version he didn’t steal anything, and by mine it’s not clear that he did."
"So if the prints didn’t match up," a reporter asked, "what did you go on as far as deciding to charge Masoli?"
Said Gardner (the prosecutor): "There was a lot of other evidence. He had been seen in the fraternity house. We had some surveillance from other locations, we had witnesses who have come forward. It was clear — I think you probably all heard the 911 tape — the reason the victim is out of breath is from having chased Mr. Embry. There were many other circumstances which made it clear who was present." (Gardner did not respond to numerous interview requests from SI.com by phone and email.)
Statement by Jeff Palmer:
"En route to the hospital, the truck made a brief stop at a nearby residence. I then witnessed Embry remove two Apple laptop computers and a guitar from the rear seat of the truck and take the items inside the apartment. I was then dropped off at the hospital.
"I had no knowledge at the time that those same items were reported stolen earlier that evening from a fraternity house. I never came in contact with Jeremiah Masoli that evening or heard anyone in the truck mention his name. I was never questioned by police about the events I observed that evening."
honestly, I can’t say for sure whether this is a manufactured story or not. I mean, theres only so many times you can be in the wrong place-wrong time. But with these statements and quote, I’m not so sure Jmas didn’t get somewhat railroaded.
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I left Gardner's response un-blockquoted so it would stand out. because it's the most interesting in my mind.
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here's another fun tidbit from the story for all fellow conspiracy theorists
What the report does reveal is an incomplete investigation that does not describe how Masoli and Embry converged from their separate, unrelated social agendas that night to meet up at the SAE house and commit a burglary. Nor does it account for the phone records that show no calls or text messages between Masoli and Embry on the night of the burglary, and no contact in the weeks before it. The report also fails to explain why the police searched Masoli’s vehicle, his apartment, even the dumpster and recycling bin behind his apartment, but makes no mention of searching the residence or car of Embry. (The two MacBooks and guitar were never recovered.)
Official officer of the office of official blasphemy. Where what you say works 60% of the time, every time.
Well,
This is basically Masoli’s version of the story. So we know that the actual truth lies somewhere in between the police report and his story. I doubt that either are extremely accurate.
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He's an idiot
But I think he’s been vilified at this point. I go to watch every duck game at R Bar in San Francisco (if I’m not at Autzen) and Masoli’s mom was there for nearly every game last year. She was a really really nice woman, I have difficulty thinking a product of her upbringing could be what everyone claims he is
It’s kind of interesting you say that – over the last 5 months I’ve said multiple times to my husband how suprised I was that a kid raised in the kind of family that he was – attending a rigorous catholic school and n the Samoan culture that values family and loyalty so much – would do this. In the end, I just think he has monumentally bad judgement – and hopefully this is a Come To Jesus experience for him that helps him use better judgement. Hard thing aout that though – you don’t realize when things are happening that you are using bad judgement. It only becomes clear to you later, so it’s hard to correct.
Exactly
We’ve all been caught up in wrong-place wrong-time kind of situations. We’ve all been tempted to lie to remove ourselves from a situation that we don’t feel we should be impacted by. Unfortunately, a lot of us go through with this lie.
I’ve also been stopped on the street while wearing duck gear by a city worker who’s in his early 20’s, told me he’s Masoli’s cousin. Great kid as well, re-iterated how sad the whole family was for the situation and that Masoli is better than this.
Wrong place, wrong time
Not that it completely exonerates him, but that’s just a bad situation that went wrong at practically every turn.
I’ll keep my thoughts about talking to the police to myself.
What I will say is that he should have told the truth to his coach at the very least.
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if he tells the truth to CK
I bet you he’s on the field sometime in 2010
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Isn't that a guarantee anyway?
He doesn’t have to sit out 2010, if he gets accepted at Ole Miss, isn’t he at least #2 on their depth chart?
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 29, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Ole Miss supposedly is giving him a look at running their "Wild Rebel" package,
That McCluster has run so effectively the past few seasons.
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After reading this, I have to say how impressed I am with Coach Kelly
How easy would it be to forgive your starting QB of trying to cover his ass in a wrong-place wrong-time type situation? Instead he sent a message to the team that it doesn’t matter what your role on the team is, if you lie to me, I’ll come down 10x harder on you then if you tell me the truth.
I’ll admit that it would have been difficult for me, having all this information (if true) to react the same way Kelly did given Masoli’s importance to the team. Then to follow it up with kicking him off for the pot thing even though there are extenuating circumstances with that too, just shows Kelly’s integrity.
While I respected him before, I now have an even greater understanding of how serious Coach Kelly takes helping his players learn to grow up. Even when it takes making hard decision with one of your most important players.
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Ha! I love the picture of him hugging his grandma.
I really hope he can turn it around.
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by jtlight on Jul 29, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seems like he has the support system too.
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Its real btw
Just checked the ownership records of the site (all public of course) and its in his mother’s name.
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Of course its suspect that he's using a site
but I mean, what else can he do. I’d love to give this article to the lovely people down at UWDP and see how they spin it.
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I think that was right after the Register-Guard had a feature about his time in HS
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The media mistakes part seems like a bad idea
by Brian Floyd on Jul 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Well and all of it is "he wasn't arrested"
Yeah, but he was still charged and plead to a crime.
by Brian Floyd on Jul 29, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I approve of the fact that there are no links to ATQ in his “truthiness” section
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by dvieira on Jul 29, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quoting now from the Timeline section of the website:
2009: Has best passing performance against University of California, completing 21 of 25 passes for 253 yards and three touchdowns. Oregon wins 47-3.
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by ProbablyMonty on Jul 29, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just now getting to the article...
And it really does make me sick…
After reading the police report, I had suspicions that Masoli has basically forced into a plea bargain due to his lies, and this article seems to confirm that. What’s especially damning are the comments by the prosecutor, who seemed more concerned with getting a win than with justice (that’s pretty much par for the course, unfortunately).
Obviously, Masoli made some just absolutely mind-numbingly stupid decisions, and had atrocious legal advice. But I can’t help but believe that if he had used his constitutional rights and been truthful with Coach Kelly, he would still be the Oregon’s QB right now (with a small suspension for his driving stop).
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Reminds me of the National Math Exam I took in HS back in the day. If you left a question unanswered, you didn’t gain anything, but if you answered it wrong, you actually lost points, and were thus worse off than if you’d just let it go.
Success at life generally begins at the point when one discovers, be it through insight or consequence, that honesty is the best policy.
And, when in doubt, it’s always best to STFU.
I hope JM’s figured this out. Time will tell.
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I always liked the phrasing
“It’s better to keep your mouth shut and have people wonder if you are stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.”
by AllSaintsDay on Jul 30, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought the last line of your sig read, “throwing up at the O,” and for some reason I still clicked the link.
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by ProbablyMonty on Jul 30, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
At the end of the day, he has sure had some bad luck
And he was involved in a robbery during high school
And at the least was present during a robbery a few years later.
He pled guilty rather than fighting the charges
Then had weed on him while on probation.
How fucking stupid can you be?!?!?
I dont know what he did in any of the circumstances but it is funny to me how based off someones athletic achievements we tend to give him the benefit of the doubt.
There is one victim here and it is Wolfard. A lot of us ripped him on this site and others. He didnt deserve any of it.
(but Macs do suck)
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by My Name is Bryce on Jul 29, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions
im a stickler for the right-click
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by My Name is Bryce on Jul 29, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m in the IT business, so, I’m always being asked by friends and family for computer recommendations.
I always say “I hear Macs are real easy to use and work on and never get viruses.”
So they buy a Mac.
Eventually, they call me when something goes worng.
I say “Sorry, can’t help you, don’t know anything about them.”
They say “But you told me to buy it!”
I say “No, I just said I heard they were easy to use and work on and never got viruses.”
In this way, I’m able to avoid providing free tech support to friends and family.
So, thank you, Mr. Jobs — you have no idea how much of my free time you’ve helped me retain.
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by benzduck on Jul 29, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Macs are great if you're tech-knowlegable
plus they get very few viruses.
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SEC meida bias
Notice the difference in the headlines children:
A Pac Ten QB, who has been accused of crimes
This team is a bunch of thugs, if they let him stick around they just prove they have no discipline, what a disgrace
A SEC QB who has been admitted after being convicted of those same crimes
Well there’s two sides to every story, he’s not a thug, he could still be a really valuable player…
I want to believe, but I just can't
I read the article and I really want to support Masoli, declare him an innocent guy with bad luck, and wonder at how great our team would have been with him leading it in 2010. But I can’t do it.
The fact is, this guy went into a court of law and pled guilty to a crime, and now he wants to explain it all away. It doesn’t work that way, if you’re innocent you put this stuff on the table in court. Not several months after when you’re trying to find a new football team and everybody in America thinks you’re a fool.
Even if everything before that day really was bad luck, you’d think he would have learned a lesson somewhere along the way. If he really walked into that building, picked up on bad vibes, and left then he has no reason to lie to the cops, or to his coach. He has no reason to plead guility to a crime he really wasn’t involved in. He has no reason not to pursue the real location of the stolen items, even if it means getting Palmer to point the finger directly at Embry. If it’s as simple as Embry loading his truck with stolen stuff, taking it home, and Palmer plus room mates seeing it, why does it take this long to come out? Why isn’t Masoli out the next day getting these guys to step forward and tell what they saw?
The article is very well written and paints Masoli as a sympathetic figure who isn’t such a bad guy. But he lied to the police, he lied to his coach, and he pled GUILTY in a court of law. I’m sorry but no magazine article is going to explain away those three facts.
The fact is, this guy went into a court of law and pled guilty to a crime, and now he wants to explain it all away. It doesn’t work that way, if you’re innocent you put this stuff on the table in court. Not several months after when you’re trying to find a new football team and everybody in America thinks you’re a fool.
He was guilty when he lied. If he didn’t lie, he would have been able to plead not guilty instead of plea bargain.
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-R-E-A-K-I-N-H-E-R-O-U-T-M-A-N"
Moseley has a brief piece up linking to the story here.
He also generally questions the veracity of the account, given Masoli’s lack of forthrightness in the past. I’m sure there’s other stuff that went on that didn’t make it into that SI piece.
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Godspeed Jeremiah. I hope you turn it around.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 29, 2010 7:07 PM PDT reply actions
What a bullshit article!
Let me get this straight…Masoli is a saint because:
1) He’s been the wrong place, at the wrong time…not once, but many times.
2) He’s from a proud culture that believes in keeping quiet and reserved.
3) He got bad legal advice from a lawyer who was referred to him by a family member.
4) The police are out to get anyone who is popular.
5) Lawyers might suck, but DA’s…DA’s suck even more!
Here’s a novel idea or 4.
1) Stand up for the kid that’s getting jumped by the strangers you don’t know that were riding in the back of a truck.
2) Throw hands with Embry right then and there when you see him trying to steal something. Don’t just leave. Keep him from stepping foot outside the house with stolen property.
3) Don’t lie to the coach, or the police…but especially don’t lie to the coach, or the effing police!!!
4) When on probation, don’t drive with a suspended license….especially when you’re carrying weed.
I’m sorry, but I’m just sick of Masoli and the thousands of others who have no problem at all with living their life in this make-believe “gray-area”, that is coincidentally getting larger and larger by the minute.
I was once a college student, and I was also once a student-athlete. My ass would of stayed off the road with a suspended license. You wouldn’t find me with as much as even a Swisher Sweet in my pocket either. I’m not a square, by any means, but I also know that I’ve never been questioned by the police or DA…and that’s because I’ve never put myself in a position where they would have any reason to need to talk to me. Obey the laws, don’t lie to your coach or the police…don’t let your friends or anyone else you might know break a law infront of you…and the chances are that you’ll have no problems at all.
I find it amusing that guys like Jonathan Stewart, Haloti Ngata, and Joey Harrington can have the very same bright lights on them and you don’t see their family having to plea for their never-ending innocence. I don’t ever remember Joey trying to talk about this mystical “gray-area”. J Stew didn’t have a lawyer on speed-dial.
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I don’t think anyone is making Masoli out to be a Saint. He’s made mistakes, and by self admission.
The problem is he’s been demonized by the public. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. He’s probably just a good guy with major faults. I’ve met some pretty good people who were major fuckups too.
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-R-E-A-K-I-N-H-E-R-O-U-T-M-A-N"
The problem is he’s been demonized by the public.
It’s a problem that he’s been demonized? I’m sorry…I was a fan of the guy, but I’m also a strong believer that these scholarship kids should be held to a higher standard than your typical Joe 6-pack college student. To hell with the truth being somewhere in the middle…he was put on probation either rightly or wrongly…he was put on probation. He was also driving on a suspended license and carrying weed while on probation. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Don’t screw up and don’t lie to the police and your coach, who incidentally is probably one of the very few guys on your side.
He’s a great player, and I don’t think we’ll be the team we could of been this year if he was still around. But I don’t feel sorry for him one bit.
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by PacBellBoozer on Aug 2, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, but I think it’s just as stupid to take something and blow it out of proportion. I don’t expect for anyone to defend what he’s done, but to attack him for things he hasn’t done is pretty messed up. I viewed this whole PR stunt as that. If he wants any future being the 4th string QB on the Dolphins, taking wildcat snaps, he needs to be shown in a better light than an “evil murderous drug dealer”.
I don’t feel sorry for getting crap over the stupid things he’s done. He deserved to get booted from the program.
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