Practice recap day four
by axemen23 on Aug 12, 2010 6:26 PM PDT
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PrintWelcome to your second edition of "Look what Axemen saw." Today, I heeded your advice/insults and brought a digital camera to practice. Today's crew included Qrsouther, Jconant, Runfast and Famous Duck (although none of us actually talked to him). Onto the observations, and remember, all pictures at the bottom are originals.
- Bryan Bennett continues to throw the most consistent ball of any QB. Blah blah blah he's outstanding and makes me swoon when he walks by blah blah blah. Moving on.
- On a serious note, Bennett did appear to get a bit flustered in the 2v3 drills (2 wideouts vs. 3 defenders) and had some issues throwing the deep ball for the duration of the afternoon. Costa--the victim of a tipped-interception yet again today--was clearly better than Thomas in drills most of the day. Hawkins split snaps with Bennett today with the 3rd string, and seemed to have his best day so far this season.
- There is cause for concern with Lache Seastrunk and his knowledge of the playbook. For the second straight day, he was shuffled around by the coaches pre-snap, and seemed to miss a couple routes entirely.
- Josh Huff and Nate Costa appear to have a good rapport going and connected on a couple nice balls down the middle. Huff and Brandon Williams continue to catch my eye as the newcomers most likely to have an immediate impact. Nick Cole also stood out today with 3 big receptions downfield, flat out beating the coverage.
- We had our first mini-altercation of camp between Eddie Pleasant and Carson York. Thankfully, Talmadge Jackson and Chip Kelly stepped in to break them apart before anything got too far beyond some jawing. I don't think the grounds crew wanted to be scraping York off the field tonight.
- The defense was very impressive today, completely shutting down the offense for a 10 minute period of 11v11 with the offense starting from inside the 10. My only concern is that the DBs, especially the under-classmen, had a lot of trouble with wheel routes and double moves. Cliff Harris and Dior Mathis were completely burned on wheel routes and the tight ends appeared to have their way with little stick-n-go's over the middle for about 10-12 yards.
- Jackson Rice continues to be outstanding with his punts. Very rarely was one not at least 40 yards long, and a good number of them had to be close to 50 yards deep. Cliff Harris stood out as a punt returner today, with Seastrunk again being the negative. He can't seem to consistently get himself in a position to cleanly field it, and while I'm sure the coaches would love to have him back there, he isn't making it easy for them.
- New-ish injuries today appeared to include: Malachi Lewis (lower leg), Lavasier Tuinei (cramping), Curtis White (red jersey all day).
- Finally, there was a ballsy kid out there who wore FBSU clothes head-to-toe. Props to him, although I wish I could have falcon-punched his ass or something, but I don't like the idea of jail.
Enjoy the pictures, and GO DUCKS!
The general surveys his troops
Bryan Bennett deftly fields a bad snap
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Thank you for your observations today.
I cannot wait to see Josh Huff play. Once Kenjon Barner graduates on to the NFL, Josh huff just may be the subject of my new man crush.
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He certainly has improved his hands over the past few days. Made a few really fundamental catches for good yardage.
My yoke is heavy.
Huff was impressive. So was Justin Hoffman.
This was my first look at the new guys. Some first impressions:
- Bryan Bennett throws a spectacular ball during drills. With the pressure of a pass rush, he’s human. His future looks bright. I would be surprised if he’s not bidding for the starting job next season. He has a very calm pocket presence and throws with confidence.
- Lache Seastrunk is swimming in an ocean of complexity. Not an issue in my eyes. His body language was positive and he’s seems to be taking advice and coaching, keeping right in coach Campbell’s pocket when he’s not running a drill. His early punt return efforts were a challenge but he was getting the hang of it later in the session.
- Brandon Williams has obvious talent. He’s a little jumpy pre-snap and still playing catch-up in terms of where to line up. He easily got separation on 12- to 15-yard routes. I dare say there are few linebackers in the conference who can cover him.
- Dontae Williams. We can dispense with the LGB comparisons. He’s not there yet. He’s got size and speed though, and remember we didn’t see LGB until he was a junior. I expect Williams will be an impact player sooner than later.
- Josh Huff is physically developed. He’s going to make plays in the passing game, but he also looks like he could be an excellent run blocker as well. Strong player.
I don't deal in hyperbole.
Can you explain this a little further?
Cliff Harris and Dior Mathis were completely burned on wheel routes
Why were the corners covering a wheel route? Were they in a zone? Why weren’t they lined up on a WR? Please clarify for me, I’m having trouble picturing it.
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He threw consistently better than anyone else, IMO. He leads the receivers well, seems to 'know' the capabilities of each guy to whom he is throwing
spotting out in front of them and making them continue to run hard to bring it in. Occasionally a low ball but 1 out of 20 maybe off a little.
I think the other guys are feeling the pressure which his skill is putting on them (Costa and Thomas). I think the coaches are putting a little pressure on him too, making him take fewer reps (even tho’ he’s doing well) to see what will disrupt him.
The pressure to perform got really intense toward the last third of the practice. And the teams were really jammin’, reps 3 or so every minute. 15 seconds to change squads on the field and away they go again.
It is really fun, and challenging to watch these workouts; so much is going on all the time, coaching, conversations, Eric Dungy made a leaping one-handed catch that left my mouth open for about 10 seconds. He screws up from time to time but continues to be coachable and listens well and responds with confidence.
Anyhow, the O line and their dances, the D line (Jerry Duty) has the greatest coach, he seems to take in everything and its fun just to focus on him because he’s such a fount of knowledge which he shares most liberally.
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
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Very nice, thanks for asking.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
fYi I’m kinda confused and hurt. I get the feeling that I am persona non grata.
I made an effort to try to connect today and then to find out what happened. I guess I took it in too personal of a context.
I wasn’t aware that the ATQ ‘fraternity’ was exclusive or are there ‘dues’ that must be paid?
Well, I’ve already got two T-shirts on order and I’m not returning them.
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
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we kept talking about it, but then we'd get engrossed in some drill or something
I promise if you’re out there again tomorrow or next week i’ll come say hi :)
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
OK. I got my own guys to hang with and, it'd be nice to put a name with a face. And thanx. That was as good as Dave's apology to Rachel.
Did I write something inappropriate, is that how come the other posts got deleted?
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
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I have no idea about other posts
Just make sure you’re in your Butterfield jersey and we’ll find you
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Dude, my bad. Quinn mentioned you were there, then I went over and watched the coach Azz show at the other field. Once 11v11 started I didn’t move much. I should’ve been a better embassador for ATQ.
I don't deal in hyperbole.
oh and the fact that you have a jersey that says "famous duck" on the back means that you've more than paid your dues sir.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
They didn't get burned....they came up to cover linebackers who blitzed..
It does show the advantage of good QB reads. If the LB crashes, the wheel is running free and makes the offense seem real simple.
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA
So the LB's didn't get there in time?
If a LB blitzes and the CB is covering the short flat the LB has to get to the QB and not give enough time for the RB to get out of the backfield and behind the corners. Am I understanding it now?
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Yup. When they gamble with the blitz on one side and timing is great and the pass just over his head, it's the perfect call IF
you’ve read the defense correctly.
"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
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I'm sure Mathis was burned from the flat and just blew it, he was being coached up afterwards by TJ3 and Neal
I’m pretty sure about Harris too.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
It was a zone coverage (I think it was supposed a be a cover 2 both times)
and both Harris and Mathis either thought they had someone covering behind them, or just got burned, because they let the WR go completely after they finished their flare towards the sideline, making for a wide open streak down the sideline. Oh and I did spot a fair amount of defensive play-calls that looked like eddie pleasant was playing up, almost as a fourth linebacker. Thought you’d enjoy that MD
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Wait, so they were covering WR’s or covering the flats on a LB blitz? I thought I had this down with Famous’ reply, but now you’re confusing me even more. Why don’t we start at the top. What play was run? How did Harris and Mathis get “burned”?
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It appeared to be a cover 2 with the SAM blitzing
In that scenario, the two corners have curl-to-flat coverage and the safeties have post to corner. Well when the Slot WR, or TE runs a seam down either hashmark, the safety on that side has to pick him up deep, meaning he has to call/signal the DB off the flat route and have him drop back, and it becomes the MLB’s responsibility to slide to the flat, and the WILL’s to cover the territory vacated by the SAM. In this case, both Mathis and Harris either did not hear the call (not likely since Boyett wouldnt forget twice and wasn’t coached up either time), or did not react accordingly. When that happens to a defense, it leaves a window of open space in the zone that happens to be right in the target zone of a wheel route to the near sideline.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
So the “wheel” was being run by the WR? Who actually made the plays (Maehl, Davis, James, etc)? It sounds like the WR just found the soft spot in the zone. Plus, the WILL wouldn’t cover the spot of the SAM because he’d be running across the entire field and crossing over the MLB’s position. It sounds more like either a SAM blitz with zone coverage behind (in which case the receiver made a great play finding the soft spot) or a double OLB blitz in which case the LBs didn’t get to the QB in time and the O-line made a great play and the QB had time to find the open guy.
Not to beleaguer the point, but it still doesn’t sound like the CB’s got “burned.” But thanks for helping me understand a little better.
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sorry i meant the will would slide to the middle
its been too long since I actually learned a defense.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
There were a couple times in 7 on 7 when CBs let guys get behind them. I don’t recall the “burned” incidents. I do recall a couple blown assignments, most likely in zone coverage, and one time when no one covered LMJ in the flat and he had about 20 yards of open space and one defender to beat to house it.
Overall, coverage was pretty tight. So much speed on the defense, it’s really a challenge for our offense to find space to operate against a D like that with a high degree of familiarity with personnel, formations and favorite plays.
I don't deal in hyperbole.
Mathis really didn't get burned
he got charred. he was probably 15 yards out of position
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
I think that’s the distinction Matt’s looking for. “Burned” carries the connotation that the defensive player couldn’t hang one-on-one with the offensive player. What I remember is more blown assignments, where two defenders went with receiver A and inadvertently left receiver B wide open.
Why does it matter? Communication issues and blown assignments can be coached, fixed. An inability to cover quality receivers is a much greater problem, and one that I didn’t see to any degree of concern at today’s session.
I don't deal in hyperbole.
Thanks. I was trying to break it down to assignment/miscommunication/reads rather than “burned” or just couldn’t hang. Sounds to me like it was a case of the D all trying to get on the same page and something the coaches could pick apart in film room with the players.
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the degree of miscommunication/blown assignments/whatever was still quite large
enough to pique my concern
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Seriously. The recaps are great, but we dont’ have them on film. We don’t know the plays called. We don’t know what assignments are given.
It’s fall camp, and just the first week of it.
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I liken fall camp to spring training
Good players and new players (and good, new players) are working on things, whether it be scheme, technique, or otherwise. In the process, players are going to get shelled. It doesn’t mean they suck, it means they’re learning.
Totes
And you have to assume every once and a while some one is going to get set up for failure on a play. Whether on purpose or not, a wheel route is one of the best routes to run against the cover two. Dion Sanders might have got beat on that play, it happens. Moving on.
Go Ducks.....Ducks Go!!!!!
Aaaaand....
You can never underestimate the fact that the coaching staffs control the action. They can slant the favor the way of the offense or defense whenever they want.
For all you guys too lazy to read the whole thing, let me sum up:
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by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 12, 2010 7:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Giggle giggle giggle
Furrealz though, I’m loving these recaps. Makes me wish I was there myself, very informative stuff too.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 12, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
KEEP 'EM COMING, LADS !!!
Love these practice reports!
I have no trouble believing that Bennett is as good as Costa and Thomas. I am almost hoping he steals the job!
Finally, there was a ballsy kid out there who wore FBSU clothes head-to-toe.
Reminds me of the last time I was in Eugene. There was a guy walking around dressed just the same, chest pumped out as far as could go, looking like he primed to start a fight with anyone and everyone who passed by. All of whom just ignored him.
by omb on Aug 12, 2010 7:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
the difference was
this kid was about 10 years old. Max.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
You wanted to falcon punch a 10 year old kid?
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he was a cocky looking kid dressed head to toe (literally) in FBSU gear
yes, or at the very least I’d table-top him.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
wow dude
Let it go, he’s a kid. It takes some cajones to show up at practice decked out in another team’s gear. Maybe he is a little cocky, so what? If you don’t like it just ignore him. But to say you wanted to throw down with him is pretty extreme.
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Am I not allowed to fantasize about life with no laws?
Fine. Hmph. Fuck Boise.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
If there were no laws in your world,
Bryan Bennett had better run for his life. Immediately.
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Does Axemen have little man syndrome?
Fighting 10 year olds, calling 3 year olds bitch…a disturbing trend
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by mackjones23 on Aug 13, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
this is based on principle
The law has nothing to do with it.
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FYI
to my knowledge, there won’t be a practice write-up tomorrow because some of the guys who were at practice this week will be working on a longer “round-table” discussion of sorts encompassing as much of the week as we can. That will be posted sometime on Saturday.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Wow, round-table, eh?
HS Kid #1: Bennett has the dreamiest balls, don’t you think?
HS Kid #2: Oh yeah, totally. Do you think he’d go to prom with me?
HS Kid #3: I’m totally asking Cliff Harris, he’s like, a real dreamboat.
HSK#1: No way, Bennett is WAY hotter, I, like, totally can’t believe you’d pick Cliffy first.
HSK#2: Can I tell you a secret? I kind of have a thing for Chip.
HSK#1: OMG!! No wai!
HSK#3: OMG, I’m like, freaking out!
HSK#2: You guy’s TOTALLY can’t tell anyone!
HSK#1: I already tweeted it.
HSK#2: Noooo, now I can never show my face at practice again!
HSK#3: Did you guys know that Matt Daddy and Jeff Daddy are related?
it'll be 2 HS kids and 2 of the more prominent members of the site
plus maybe one or two more if I can track them down.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Well seeing as HS kids aren't working @ 2 in the afternoon
it makes sense that we’ve seen a lot of practice.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Not why I think you comment is funny
And when I was in High School I worked full time in the summer.
Go Ducks.....Ducks Go!!!!!
Yeah… I wish I didn’t work at 2 in the afternoon when I was in high school.
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i work from 6-10 part time
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
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Thanks for doing the write-up, Will. I agree with most all of it.
If I may add a few things that I saw today…
- Hawkins commanded the 3s for almost all of today. I’m not sure why. Bennett took over on one of the last series on offense before camp broke for the day. Hawkins looked serviceable passing. Much less polished than Costa, Thomas, and Bennett, but much better than, say, Chris Harper. Hawkins’ athleticism still is intriguing. He fits in a lot with what we’d heard Chip Kelly talking about over the offseason in terms of recruiting athletes who can pass and turning them into wizards. I feel confident that if something were to happen to Costa and Thomas and even Bennett, Hawkins could a great quarterback, given time and attention.
- Thomas looks way faster on scrambles than he does on zone reads. He often makes the wrong read and gets caught for only a one-yard gain by the linebackers. While Masoli’s passing vision was limited, we might have been spoiled by his eye for reading linebackers as well on the zone reads. However, Thomas scrambled two or three times today and looked very agile. He’s got long legs, which means long strides, which means slow acceleration but good speed. When he scrambles he actually earns the “looks like Dixon” likeness. This, along with corner routes, is where he just might have an advantage over Costa.
- Nate Costa wore a knee brace for all of practice today, foregoing it in the past few days of camp. His legs have looked healthy and sturdy so far, though. I do not think Nate Costa will endure a knee injury for the remainder of his career at Oregon. He knows his limits. He gives the ball off on his zone reads 97% of the time, waiting for just the right clearing. I’m fine with him handing the ball off to people like James and Barner. I think he is too.
- Lache, Cliff, and LaMichael were the three fielding punts today. LaMichael looked far and away the best actual fielder of punts. Always got right under it and made the catch with ease. The same came a lot harder for Seastrunk. Still has trouble estimating where the ball will drop. He did improve, though, as the drills went on. He started at least getting remotely in the same vicinity as the ball, often muffing it, but at least knowing where to stand. I don’t envy the kids who have to return punts.
My yoke is heavy.
I'd still rather see Harris take the next jump from catching the ball every time, to catching and planting upfield at the same time
That way, LMJ isn’t our best return man.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Has Barner been doing much work in punt returns?
By the halfway point in the season, Kenjon Barner was a great punt return man. Through the first few games of the season though, I would hold my breath hoping that he wouldn’t muff another one.
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I haven't seen him doing much
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
He did a few punt return drills on Monday but since then I haven't seen him involved as much.
Not sure why not, either. He seemed to be the logical choice.
My yoke is heavy.
Coaches probably can’t watch him on film without breaking into laughter thinking about his haircut.
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I see how it is,
Now you are just trying to get me all riled up. Awesome haircut. End of story.
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Thanks again Axe and Quinn for keeping those of us who cant make it to practice informed!
Interesting. I doubt that we can make too much of it, considering it is only the first week of practice. However, as you said, Barner is the logical choice to return punts (and be one of the return men on kicks). He was a great threat last season, and had a phenomenal Rose Bowl.
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I don't see Barner returning a lot of kicks this season
with his increased responsibility on offense (#1 in game one at RB and #2 at RB and major threat at slot/TZR the rest of the year) I don’t see Kelly using him there and either risking injury, or adding more of a load to him.
I think with the speed and talent we have outside of Barner (Harris, Seastrunk, Huff) I could easily see them returning more kicks than Barner this year.
Just my thoughts.
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That’s plausible. I wondered if the other guys were getting reps simply because Chip knows what he’s got in Barner. With Barner getting more touches in the offense, his chance for injury goes up. Best to prep some other guys for special teams in case Barner isn’t available at some point.
We should learn more when they scrimmage. I’m cool with any scenario, but Barner had some nice special team touches last year.
I don't deal in hyperbole.
True, but you have to think, when a guy fields a kick the offense is coming out onto the field, and I don’t think that Kelly wants his #1 threat out of the backfield to be running a 20 yard wind sprint right before the offense starts (that’s what I’ve assumed when a number of the CB were returning kicks).
I think Kelly’s comfortable with what he has in Barner, but I also think there is some serious speed available outside of him, and Kelly would be remiss if he wasn’t attempting to find out what he had there too.
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I also think that if he can have Cliff Harris, current N/A on the depth chart as a returner, instead of a major offensive threat doing the job
he’d sleep easier on a friday night.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
I had not really thought of this going into Fall camp,
But there is going to be an interesting battle to see who wins a job at the kick returner spots and as the punt returner. As you said, if Coach Kelly is indeed planning on incorporating Barner into the offense more this season, it would not be outlandish to keep him from returning kicks and punts. Or, JConant said, it could just be a case of giving other guys reps in practice, because Barner is already a proven return threat.
We do have plenty of speed, but very little experience to work with. It seems like there is a great chance that a few freshman will command most of the return slots. Perhaps Josh Huff and Keanon Lowe back deep on kickoffs? Cliff Harris as the primary punt return man?
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Kickoffs have been mostly James, Barner, Harris, and Seastrunk.
Seastrunk looks particularly good on kick returns. Lowe hasn’t been receiving, that I’ve seen. He’s been extremely quiet in general. He might redshirt.
If I had one guess right now, I’d say Cliff Harris will be returning punts for us September 4th.
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Yeah, if he can keep the ball from bouncing off his helmet.
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