Quack Fix: LMJ back at full speed; Big boys are getting nasty.
by JConant on Aug 19, 2010 8:02 AM PDT
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PrintWe're closing in on just two weeks until kickoff. Here's today's quack:
- Rob Moseley was back on double duty yesterday. Check out the morning report and Rob's afternoon report. Good to hear LaMichael James was back at it full speed. Sounds like some guys on defense are eager to lay some wood...easy boys, they're on your side.
- John Hunt of the Oregonian writes that O-line coach Steve Greatwood has his veteran unit getting their nasty on this season. Guard Mark Asper says that's not always easy in practice when you're lined up against teammates and friends.
- Stephen Alexander at the Portland Trib got in a Q&A with head coach Chip Kelly. Not a lot of surprises...Kelly seems please with the progress of fall camp so far.
- Replacing Ed Dickson at tight end isn't an enviable task for coach Tom Osborn, but he's got plenty of talent and depth to play with.
- Oregon running backs coach Gary Campbell weighed in on LaGarrette Blount's much publicized practice altercation at Tennessee Titans fall camp. Haters are having a field day, but this was just the heat of fall camp, little more. Did anyone really not see this coming given Blount's past? LGB is an obvious target for antagonistic behavior, especially during his rookie season.
- George Schroeder headed down south to check in on former Duck Jeremiah Masoli. It was a brief interview, but Schroeder got a good flavor of how Masoli is being embraced at Ole Miss. So far it's all good impressions...a familiar story to Oregon fans.
There should be plenty more quack throughout the day. Be a pal and share in the comments. Maybe JShufelt will entertain us with a funny picture or two...but he's no monkey, damnit. My WRs/TEs preview will post in a couple hours. I hope you find it informative. Go Ducks!
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A bit of regrettable additional quack: the interception-machine Jairus Byrd is out indefinitely due to surgery for a groin injury.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
That’s actually yesterday’s news, so my apologies if I missed it somewhere in yesterday’s fix.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Aug 19, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like he may miss the first regular season game or two.
I am a little curious as to why he didn’t get surgery on his groin sooner than this. It was really bothering him for most of last season.
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Groin injuries are terrible. A lot of the time there’s nothing you can do but wait and see. And those things linger forever. I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t consider it serious enough for surgery before, but decided to operate when it wasn’t showing any healing progress.
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I pulled my groin 6 months ago.
I’m still day to day
"I have a very strong distaste for Oregon State and Washington. Also Stanford.
I had a groing injury that lasted me upwards of a year before it stopped affecting me on a daily basis. I still feel it sometimes when I do a lot of sprinting (like flag football or something). I went to the doctor about it and he told me that there really wasn’t anything I could do but stretch and take it easy.
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This made me chuckle.
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by JShufelt on Aug 19, 2010 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
OT
Remember our discussion a while ago about the new Sun Chip bags? Well, the complainers are justified. They are damaging your ears!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I should smuggle in some empty Sun Chip bags into Autzen.
Yell “O”, and shakin’ the sun chips!
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by JShufelt on Aug 19, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I lke this idea
Could you imagine how loud it would be if 59,000 fans were crumbling sunchips bags at once?
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
You said hard.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 19, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
No, I like this idea. It’s good to get the homoeroticism out of the way. You know, nip it in the bud. That way, you don’t have something much bigger to whack later.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Aug 19, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
So you're saying
You don’t have something bigger to whack later?
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Regarding Asper's Quote
You often hear players at this time of year talking about how they’re ready to go out and hit someone from another team for a change. Especially among college players who don’t have preseason games.
There’s been a little bit documented about the growing trend of NFL teams holding joint practices during training camp. Does anyone know if there has been a college team to experiment with this concept? My guess is that the travel costs associated with such an endeavor, and the fact that the teams that are closest are your biggest rivals probably means no, but I wouldn’t be surprised to be proven wrong.
by AcadianTraverse on Aug 19, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions
I’m glad they don’t face anyone else. On the one hand, yeah it sucks that they can’t go full-out and get that experience. And the pent up energy must be frustrating.
On the other hand, this is what keeps them healthy (relatively) during fall camp. These guys do WAY more reps each practice than they do in games. If they were doing that against another team, where they wouldn’t hold back, I imagine we’d see a lot more fall injuries. And that’s not good for anyone.
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Dave
I saw your tweet to Dennis Dodd this morning that he retweeted to the entire universe – giving you props. Nice!
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I feel really bad for the WAC schools that are being left behind
especially Hawaii. Nothing they can do about their geography, but its the reason nobody wants them.
--Dave
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I wrote about it last night
But this whole situation is just crappy for those lower conferences. Even the MWC isn’t exactly sitting pretty.
by Brian Floyd on Aug 19, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I read some of that discussion. I think the WAC will probably need to disintegrate—by the time they could get 3 or 4 Big Sky schools up to snuff for I-A football they’d be so far behind…
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking
They can try — and it sounds like they’re going to — to raid the Sun Belt or somewhere else (North Texas and Texas-San Antonio were mentioned), but taking on Big Sky schools really seems like it’s out of the question right now.
by Brian Floyd on Aug 19, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
The sad thing is that what the suits have apparently sworn a blood oath to prevent — the “super-conference” concept, with something like 8 conferences of 12 teams constituting the FBS — is really the only arrangement that could ensure schools like Hawaii, Utah State, UTEP, etc, don’t get left out completely in the cold.
Just another example of the haves separating themselves from the have-nots.
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Hawaii
seems like the perfect team to play if you’re a perinnial 5-6 or 6-5 team and not sure if you’re gonna make a bowl. Schedue it after a bye week at the end of the seaon and go down there to get “acclimated”
"I have a very strong distaste for Oregon State and Washington. Also Stanford.
by mackjones23 on Aug 19, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Schroeder's piece on Masoli
The one thought I had while reading it: If Masoli had sat out this season while the Ducks QBs struggled, there would have been frustration, but there also would have been the point that Masoli struggled at times last year as well. In fact, he was a major contributing factor to two of the Ducks three losses last season.
But if the Ducks QBs struggle this year while we see Masoli have a great season at Ole Miss, all sorts of crap is going to come up. Was he just a victim of circumstances? Should Kelly have kept him around? What could the Ducks have done if he was still in school?
I think Kelly made the decision he had to make. But I’m not looking forward to what-if questions that will inevitably pop up (even in my own mind, as much as I’d like to bar their entrance) if Costhomas stuggles while Masoli has a good season.
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Sorry for the link, I just noticed it was already linked in the Quack Fix. Guess I didn’t make it down that far. My commentary still stands.
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Nobody checks the links!
You could’ve played that off and acted like you wanted to make sure people knew which link you were talking about.
by Brian Floyd on Aug 19, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
The decision is made
and we all need to move forward and not look back. He’s not our quarterback – not a Duck any more. I wish him only the best and hope he has a kick-ass season at Ole Miss. But those of us that are thinking clearly about this situation need to SHUT DOWN the handwringers when they start up next year. It is a waste of time and emotion. I promise to scream “SHUT UP!!!” at any poster that begins with “If only we had Masoli…”
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I know that’s objectively the right call. But I also know that I’m going to think about it sometimes. I will never blame Kelly for cutting him loose – it was the right decision. But I could see myself sitting there on a Saturday, watching Costa or Thomas struggle to get the offense moving, looking down at the scoreboard and seeing Ole Miss put up 45 points, and getting pretty damn frustrated.
That sort of thing would never have come up if Masoli had sat out. I know it SHOULD never come up even now, but it will. I’ll do my best to keep that torture within my own mind and not share it with the rest of you.
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But I could see myself sitting there on a Saturday, watching Costa or Thomas struggle to get the offense moving
And then I’ll remember the Rose Bowl….
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Yeah. My problem was that I just watched your highlight video from the USC game last year. It got me pumped up, but it also made me a bit sad. He was fantastic in that game, although so was everyone else.
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Ditto, he was pretty special that night. I thing C & T are better passers but for me it wasn’t Masoli’s skills as much as his cojonez and the ability to fight through chaos and make thinsg happen. The AZ game being teh perfect example. I think our guys will be good but am anxious about how cool they will be when the shits hitting the proverbial fan.
Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
Our offense also did jack crap for 2 1/2 quarters in the Arizona game….
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Yeah, after I wrote this I was also thinking that if our guys are better passers we may not have to get into as many “seat of your pants” downs where its all or nothing.
AZ also did play good D and were so fired up for us…..cue jumping Stoops gif.
Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
Masoli was inconsistent. And chances are that he’ll be inconsistent this year. But there’s a reason the guy was being touted as a Heisman candidate. And there’s a reason why Oregon was expected to contend for a national title before he got kicked off the team. He’s a damned good college QB, especially playing under Kelly. And my guess is that he’ll have a pretty good season at Ole Miss if Nutt winds up starting him.
I’m going to miss the guy at some point and wonder “what if”, unless Costa or Thomas greatly exceed expectations.
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I am 100% convinced that we would not have won a national championship with Jeremiah Masoli.
Because of that, I’m very much down with the Costa/Thomas era.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
100% is pretty darn sure there buckaroo. I’d go 70% because of the above intagibles that JM brought, but also in seeing how our D-line stacked up against tOSU and how I still don’t think we have a frontline that would dominate a Florida or Bama.
Speaking of D-lines and NCs I guess you could say its all or Ngata…get it… all or ..nevermind.
Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
So you're saying we'd have been 30% likely to win the Mythical National Championship?
Holy cow, remind me to gamble against you someday.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 19, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Our D-Line did fine against tOSU.
We got plenty of sacks, and lots of pressure on Pryor (Who apparently runs a 1.8 forty-yard-dash). We gave them one of their worst defensive rushing games of the year.
It was one of Masoli’s worst passing games of his career though.
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I defer to your knowledge on this, but I don’t see over 400 yds as exactly shutting them down either. It looked like we got blown off the line and yes we got to TP but he got to the sidelines way too often.
Just saying…
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Our failure to contain Pryor is hardly at fault on the D-Line. Of course, if or D-Line was better, we would likely had better results (My “no shit sherlock” phrase of the day).
Pryor was the strongest and fastest QB we faced, and one of the strongest and fastest runners we saw period. We held tOSU’s running backs to 81 yards combined (About 40 yards each) on 28 attempts (14 each).
Pryor’s rushing 72 yards came mostly from scrambling. He was flat out impressive in that game.
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But there’s a reason the guy was being touted as a Heisman candidate.
It started with a slightly delusional fan base, and a highlight reel from the Holiday Bowl.
I was never on board with the Masoli for Heisman thing. At the end of ’08, for 17 quarters, he played at a Heisman-esque level, but he was NEVER consistent enough. I believed he gave us the best chance to win last year, but he never showed that he belonged in the Heisman discussion, in my opinion.
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I don’t think he would have won the Heisman, but plenty of national media members (not just local media or fanboys) thought he was very good. He was in the discussion. And there’s a distinct possibility that he could have gotten better with a more experienced O-Line and one more year with Kelly’s offensive genius.
I’m not saying anything revolutionary – the guy was good. IS good. And better (at this point) than Costa or Thomas. I am NOT 100% convinced we wouldn’t win a national title with Masoli. I know that right now, I would feel a lot better about the team if he were the QB.
Maybe this will never come up. Maybe Costa or Thomas will be fine, Masoli will do his good-but-inconsistent thing, and it’ll be forgotten. I would be extremely happy. But I would put money on having at least one “what if…” thought during a game this season.
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I am going to miss Masoli as much as the next person
I don’t think there is any way we win that AZ game, or the Civil War (and thereby go to the Rose Bowl) without him. No Way. And I’ve completely tortured myself over ‘what if’ already – heck, I had the date of the National Championship game next year (Jan. 10th, btw) penciled in on my calendar since this last January becuase I wanted to be sure I remember to get the time off work next year if I need it. But personally I can’t keep killing myself over it. It feels like a divorce where I’m the spouse that didn’t want the split and is left behind. But I’ve got to move on for my own piece of mind.
But, I’ll try not to be a jerk to those that aren’t there yet…but I really think the ‘what ifs’ just make you feel worse.
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by daisyduck on Aug 19, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure they do. I’m not beating myself up over anything. The season hasn’t started yet. But it would be disingenuous of me to think that I won’t miss Masoli at least once next year. He was good and had one more year at the helm before everything went down. Costa and Thomas are unknowns, but neither has been so spectacular in spring or fall practice to lead me to believe that they’ll be better than Masoli would have been.
Oregon will still be good, and should win 10 games. I’ll be a happy Ducks fan most Saturdays. There will be moments, though…
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What-ifs can drive you crazy
(damn iPhone)
What if ..
Droughns hadn’t broken his ankle vs ucla?
Davis hadn’t released his block against ASU when Dixon went down?
Ho-Ching hadn’t been a pothead?
Musgrave had run out of bounds like a smart QB instead of being all tough guy?
Brooks hadn’t burned Chris Miller’s redshift for three meaningless games in ’83?
Don’t waste energy on stuff like this. It never ends.
Masoli had a career-threatening mental injury. We’ve moved on. Wish him well and hope for the best for everyone.
Average Score Since 2004: Oregon 42 Washington 17
by benzduck on Aug 19, 2010 1:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Again, not saying I want to have them, just saying I expect they’ll creep into my brain at some point.
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None of you deserve to wear the ATQ T-shirts. You're all a disgrace.
YOU ARE DEALING IN HYPOTHETICALS. MY ADVICE AS YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL IS TO CEASE AND DESIST.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 19, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The national media members didn’t watch Masoli that much. They saw the Holiday Bowl, Boise State, USC, Arizona, the ’09 Civil War and the Rose Bowl. Plus maybe some youtube clips.
Save for the Boise State fiasco, which people don’t remember the play of Masoli as much as they do for the punch bowl…
Masol wasn’t even the best QB in the Pac-10, it’s silly to try and peg him as a Heismen candidate (even blackhorse candidate), which goes to the best player in the country, when 2-3 QBs in our own conference showed they were better.
Masoli had great qualities. He was a great runner, he was a great improviser, and he was unflappable. He was wildly inconsistent as a passer. He had great streaks, but he would also throw the ball into the ground 4 feet away on the flats.
I felt better seeing him run then pass. He at least had enough of a threat in the passing game to make defenses respect it.
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I don’t know, the team got a ton of play on national TV last year.
My point is that Masoli is good, and, as far as we can tell right now, the team would have a better chance of success with him at QB than Costa or Thomas. That’s all I’m saying. Do you disagree?
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If Masoli was in camp, and taking the reps with the 1s, I would probably agree with you.
But with the other guys getting reps in, and hopefully having a better passing game? I disagree.
I can’t entirely say yes or no without seeing a bigger body of work from Costa or Thomas. I don’t have details to work off of. The only thing I was worried about Costa vs. UCLA last year, was his knee. His performance was not a red flag to me.
After the spring game, both QBs appeared to be confident and competent.
With Masoli, I don’t know what our record would have been. Last year we KILLED USC. We almost lost to Purdue. We were embarrassed by BSU. We needed defensive plays to get past Utah. We dominated Cal. These are INCREDIBLY erratic results.
I don’t know if we are better off now or not. It doesn’t really bother me either way. Masoli is gone, and I’m excited to move forward and see what Narron Thosta can do.
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Okay, well I guess we disagree then. It strikes me as wildly optimistic about Costa and Thomas that either of them would out-perform a guy like Masoli who, despite his inconsistencies, put up the numbers he did, had game experience, and would have been coming back with improved players at each position except TE.
I’m fine with this team. Costa or Thomas will win the job and do…something. Probably something good. But there’s no doubt in my mind that I would be more excited with Masoli leading the team.
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It depends on what you’re talking about when you say out-perform.
I don’t expect Costa or Thomas to have USC-like performances, but that’s just fine with me. We need a QB that is going to be consistent, and not crap the bed 4 times a year. We also need a QB that is going to be able to convert 3rd and longs. Masoli was essentially incapable of doing that consistently.
I love what Masoli did, but he is simply not a national championship winning QB. You can win a conference title playing at that level, but not a national title. It’s a fun offense to watch, but for an offense with national title aspirations, Oregon’s success rate was not good. Our offense constantly had problems putting together consistent drives. It almost came back to bite us against Arizona and OSU.
I expect our big plays to drop this year, but I want to see our offense grow more consistent, and not have the 3 and out problem we’ve had for the last year and a half.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I don’t even see the big plays dropping off significantly just because Masoli is gone. If defenses are going to key on James then the QB will find the next playmaker that isn’t covered, or if they don’t focus on the QB on the read option then there is opportunity for good size gains, hance the beauty that is Chip Kelly.
I see your Quack is as big as mine!
When I say “out-perform,” I mean overall. Consistency is great. Skill at being a QB is better.
I think the main hope with Costa and Thomas was that our passing game would improve. The early reports have me a bit worried. In fact, the one thing Chip Kelly has talked about in his comments is that he’s looking for more consistency from both QBs in that area. Yes, it’s early, but that’s not exactly what you want to hear when better consistency is the one thing you’re banking on from your new QB.
I’m hard-pressed to imagine either guy will be better at the read option than Masoli, but the possibility is there. Neither brings the pure running ability Masoli had, either speed or power-wise.
Costa or Thomas could lead this team to the same place Masoli could. But I don’t think that’s very realistic. Maybe we’ll see more consistency, but we don’t know that we will. I think Masoli was capable of taking us to a national championship. Likely? No, but with a better chance than Costa or Thomas, at least this season.
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We also don’t know where Chip sets the bar for what he expects.
Wasn’t he looking for a +65% completion rate?
I wouldn’t be surprised to hear Masoli being “Inconsistent”. Kelly labeled him that a few times last year in spring and fall camps.
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Which is my point. We know Masoli was better than Costa or Thomas at the read option, but we were hoping that his replacements would be better with the passing game. At THIS point, there’s not much to indicate that will be the case. Or at least that the advantage they have in that aspect won’t be enough to overcome Masoli’s other advantages.
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At THIS point, there’s not much to indicate that will be the case.
At the same time, there’s not much to indicate it won’t be the case. We simply don’t know either way, and won’t have any sort of clue until the games start.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
That’s why this will be settled on the field and not on the message boards
Hey Daisy, git me anudder one!
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So would you rather go into the season with a guy who you know can lead you to 10 wins with the potential for better? Or a guy who’s pretty much a complete question mark? I’ll take the former.
I think it’s ridiculous that we’re even having this argument when everybody knows that Masoli would unquestionably have been the starting QB if the legal problems hadn’t happened. Why? Because he’s better.
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I have no reason to think Masoli would give me 10 wins again.
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If I were coach, I would of course start Masoli. I just think there’s pretty much no chance that he would have led the team to a national championship.
I think that Thomas/Costa would provide a better shot at a national title (and the early schedule sets up very nicely for their development), but they also provide a much better chance at an 8-9 win season than if Masoli was at the helm.
In my mind, it’s pretty clear what Masoli’s ceiling was. It’s not clear yet what the Thomas/Costa ceiling will be.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Then I guess we disagree about Masoli’s ceiling. I think he could have gone undefeated, and I don’t think it’s realistic to think that Costa or Thomas will. I’ll be elated if they do, but I’m thinking a Pac 10 championship and 10 or 11 wins will be about right.
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We have no idea what to expect from Costa or Thomas.
The area of realistic expectations aren’t even debatable with Costa or Thomas.
Teams can and have succeeded with 1st year QBs.
With Masoli, we have no idea what to predict, because his face is next to the word “erratic” in the dictionary.
His ceiling performance is one that can defeat any team in the country. His basement performance is one that can be beat by mid-majors and bottom half BCS teams.
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Obviously we just disagree. I’d rather have a guy who I know can beat every team in the country than one who I don’t know anything about.
I am very confident that Costa or Thomas, whoever wins the job, will struggle at some point during the season. Whether it be for a couple games, or a single game, or a half, or whatever. And if I look, and see Masoli performing well for Ole Miss, there will be a pang of frustration at what could have been. That is all.
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I actually don’t disagree with you Gorby. I feel that pain even now when I watch replays of the Civil War or other games from last year.
Where I do disagree is the fact that Masoli made us Championship caliber. The NC teams have almost always had a QB that played consistent from series to series and from game to game. That was not Masoli. Sure his flashes of brilliance led you to think, if he could do that for “x” amount of time, we good be NC worthy. Problem was, he didn’t. And his past performance didn’t give any indication that he would.
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I don’t know. McElroy had a stretch last year where he stunk it up. Matt Flynn wasn’t all that consistent for LSU in 07. I see what you’re saying, but it’s happened before that an inconsistent QB can win a NC, as long as his supporting cast is good enough to pick him up in those bad games.
The difference is that both of those teams had a defense that could win them a game, even against elite teams. As good as the Ducks are now on D, their defense just isn’t quite that caliber. So they’d be RELYING on their QB to win them the game. Which is a crapshoot, I admit. But I’d rather be rolling the dice than not be at the craps table at all.
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I agree with you Gorby, that Masoli could have lead us to an undefeated season next year. Not saying would have, but could have. I think he may very well have been more consistent next year than he was the last two – growth and experience would helped in ths area. But while I’ll stop short of saying “He’s dead to me now” (since I really don’t have bad feelings towards him), I am just going to think about Costa and Thomas going forward. I totally believe we can win the Pac-10 again this year with either of them.
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Right, and I agree. I’m excited about what THIS team can do. I know they’ll be good, but we’ll have to see just HOW good.
I’m defending my position here because that’s what I do, but I don’t want you all to think that I’m wallowing in grief for what might have been. I’m still looking forward to seeing Costa or Thomas make some great plays this season. I’m confident that Kelly can do good things through them.
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Don’t be so glum, chum.
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He is sounding a bit maudlin, isn’t he? Have you been drinking Gorby? Are you drunk blog posting right now? Because that’s okay if you are, but you should give the rest of us a chance to catch up.
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This is why I don’t make fun of you. You ARE sounding positive! I’m just giving you a hard time – you know I can’t help myself.
ATQ's #1 JShufelt fan
Oh, I’m fine with it, I just missed the sarcasm. Sorry, I’m studying for my Series 27 Broker-Dealer FinOps license. It’s a bit a dry, to say the least.
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I was just hoping to make you laugh – apologies it didn’t come off that way. And best of luck studying for that….whatever license. The name alone hurts my brain.
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Consistency is great. Skill at being a QB is better.
Not if you’re trying to win a national championship and have almost no margin for error.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
This is so true. Look at the QB’s that have won a NC in the last decade. Probably one of the only “great skilled QB’s” who was also very inconsistent on that list is going to be Vince Young. Almost every single other QB was a consistent player that you wouldn’t think were the best QB in the nation. Guys like Chris Leak, Matt Flynn, Craig Krenzel, Ken Dorsey.
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Let me put it this way – with Masoli, I think realistic expectations range anywhere from 8 wins to 13 wins. We know what the guy’s potential was for greatness, and if he could put it together every game (or have his bad games against bad teams), the team could absolutely win a NC.
With Costa or Thomas, I would put it at 8 wins to 11 wins. I just don’t see them having enough to win games against some of the tougher opponents.
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I don’t think 13 wins is a realistic expectation with Masoli.
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Look at what he did to USC. Or OkSt. Or Cal. Or…etc. I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t do that again. The rest of the team has shown that it’s good enough to make up for his bad games, as long as they don’t come against top 10 teams. And how many of those will the Ducks face THIS season? One in the regular season (USC? OSU? UA?), and one in the postseason. As long as his bad games didn’t come against those teams, we could win out. It’s not likely, but it’s not unrealistic.
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Of course he could. I agree with that, but what about what he’s done against UCLA (Passing), Purdue, Utah, Boise State. His good games don’t make up against that. A loss is a loss. And he did little to put us in a position to win against Purdue, Utah, or Boise State. The defense were the only reason why we had a chance on those ones, despite Masoli’s “best” efforts.
He hasn’t had a complete year, and I have no reason to believe that he would this year. If we play like we did against Purdue or Utah against Cal, Stanford or UCLA – we lose.
I don’t think the expectations of a 13 win season is a sensible or practical achievement (The very definition of realistic). With or without Masoli.
In ‘08, we played a terrible game against USC and Cal. In ’09, we played great games against those teams. We can’t assume that we’d get the same results every year.
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How do you know we’d lose against Cal or Stanford or UCLA? As I mentioned, the rest of the team is good, even better than they were last year, and probably better than they were two years ago. Which means more margin for error from the QB slot.
Of course he’s inconsistent, and there’s no reason to expect that would change this season. There’s also no reason to expect the team couldn’t compensate for it against all but the very best. And the Ducks will face the very best very rarely.
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I don’t know that we would lose to Cal, Stanford or UCLA. However, I do think with an inconsistent QB that puts our team in bad situations and 3 and outs, it is VERY possible that we would. The Pac-10 is too good to put up the same production that we did against Purdue, Utah and Boise State – and even Ohio State.
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I would be excited if Masoli didn’t make the choices he did, and was returning.
But honestly, I could look at the schedule and think that we could lose any game outside of New Mexico, PSU, and WSU, or we could kick their asses by 30 points.
Do we get Boise State Robo-Masoli? Or do we get Achilles Masoli, who destroyed Trojans for fun?
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Remember,
Masoli was suppose to inconsistent. He was a second year player for crying out loud. Dixon sucked his junior year. Masoli was returning with the same oline, same rbs, his WR corp and you want to delude yourself into thinking all of his inconsistencies wasn’t partly due to his own inexperience that of the players around him? Masoli would’ve kicked ass and taken names this year.
Masoli was suppose to inconsistent. He was a second year player for crying out loud.
I have way higher expectations than that for someone that was receiving (unwarranted) Heisman hype, and had been starting for so long. Masoli also had more game experience than Dixon at the end of their Junior years.
Just because Dixon was so stellar his senior year, does not mean the same would be true for Masoli.
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What would have made him stellar...
was consistency at every position around him. He was brilliant in the last 4 games of the ’08 season and that parlayed into heisman exposure. What was overlooked was an essentially retooled oline, WR corp, RB corp…oh wait, he had a whole new offense around him.
Then why wasn’t the consistency there at the end of last season? Masoli’s consistency suffered over the last few games of the ’09 season. It did not improve.
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by jtlight on Aug 19, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jlight...
the backend of our schedule was against the top two teams in the conference outside of us, of course, and Ohio State. Our oline got owned for big parts of those games. Masoli made things out of nothing. I
Having recently watched those games, I completely disagree with your assessment. We went 3 and out because Masoli was not very sharp in the Arizona game.
He pulled together some great things in the end though.
We had great holes, and the oline did an adequate job.
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The thing about the Heisman discussion is
People always talk about it like it’s a level of play, but what it really is is a competition between particular players. Are there enough great players out there this year who would certainly have been better than Masoli, achieved more, or lead their team farther? If it’s between him, Mark Ingram, Pryor, Jacquizz Rodgers, Dion Lewis and Licker, I have a heard time agreeing that he wouldn’t have belonged at or near the top of the heap, much less in the mix. He is not and would never be ‘07 Dixon, but this year’s field is really clear.
Mark Ingram, Terrell Pryor, Jacquizz Rodgers, Dion Lewis, Jake Locker…
Kellen Moore, Case Keenum, Ryan Mallett, Jerrod Johnson, Andrew Luck, Tyrod Taylor, Russell Wilson, Zach Collaros, Ryan Williams, LaMichael James, Anthony Allen, John Clay…
They all have a better chance of going to New York than Masoli has shown. And if I were a voter? I’d probably vote for any of them over Masoli too.
I loved watching Masoli, and he gave us fun football to watch. He was a player. He was not a realistic Heisman candidate. Heisman candidates don’t crap the bed 4 times a year, and shine like a star 4.
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A more costly woopsie than the Bellotti contract
“There was a recording error, and Nevada did not sign the binding ($5 million) agreement.” Whoops.
They rushed it
Found out BYU wanted in and hastily added a buyout to prevent what we see happening now.
by Brian Floyd on Aug 19, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone that deals with 5 million dollar contracts
in their day to day routine. We are typing on ATQ while that person is probably sealing some multi million dollar deal.
That is just plain idiotic.
Well, that error all but ensued the death of the WAC
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
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We are now in week 4. Get to playing your games asap
by jcgoducks on Aug 19, 2010 11:34 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
week 4?
wtf happened to week 3?
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
sorry, still week 3.
ok, week 3, sorry, i played my week 3 game and assumed it was now week 4, still week 3.
oh btw
why must I play Pryor?
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
In that Masoli article by Schroeder...
This was the last line:
Masoli is walking off the Rebels’ indoor practice field, heading for the locker room, and he’s eager to move on. But first, he has a follow-up question:
"How’s Oregon doing?"
And then, not waiting for an answer, he’s gone.
I don’t really know what that was supposed to mean. Was he showing that he really doesn’t care for Oregon anymore? Or what? I’m not trying to sensationalize it or anything, I just don’t really know what Schroeder was trying to say there by including it.
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Wow, I screwed up the formatting there. Blockquote was supposed to end after "he's gone."
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Yeah that was weird. Was it just a pleasantry? Was Masoli making some sort of point, like “Hey, you’re an Oregon beat writer – why don’t you write about THEM?” I don’t get it either. And I don’t get why Schroeder included it.
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I do know that Masoli and his family disliked the way the RG talked about his previous incident. IIRC, the way they presented it at first was factually inaccurate, or at least made assumptions that were refuted in the SI piece. So it’s possible Masoli was making some kind of dig at a columnist for a paper he doesn’t care for.
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And then Schroeder put basically an insult aimed at himself as the last line of his piece
what a weird situation.
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by trumpetduck on Aug 19, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s just a sign that Masoli’s moved on from Oregon, just like we should move on from Masoli. It was a polite question that wasn’t really looking for an answer. Like if you bumped into an ex-girlfriend’s friend. It’s just courtesy, is all.
You're probably right, I just didn't know what to make of it and was wondering if anyone else found it weird or awkward.
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Both weird and awkward
You could see it either way, he’s either being genuine or a smartass. Depends on whether you want to give him the befit of the doubt.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 19, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
he TRIED to
and failed.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Um guys?
@DuckFootball Fire trucks at Autzen as wisps of black smoke rise from the roof of the south side.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
We're smokin' hot!!
The offense is on fire! Costa and Thomas are lighting up the place! LMJ and Barner are burning up the turf!
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by daisyduck on Aug 19, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Let the Hucking Fuskies burn
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by Gorbachav5 on Aug 19, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
this one made me chuckle
Ryan_Tharp Don’t worry. Once CK decides on a QB, smoke will turn white. RT @DuckFootball: Fire trucks at Autzen – black smoke rising from the roof.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
by axemen23 on Aug 19, 2010 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
well I didn't have a better line than that beauty
at least i didn’t try to pass it off as my own.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
you want to know what's awesome?
When a school makes a huge deal about “you can’t find your schedule out until we mail them out so you all get them at the same time”…..And then someone figures out how to find them online, before they were supposed to be here by about a week. Go teamwork!
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
talk to me in june
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
is that when you graduate?
seriously, I remember thinking that high school was the best time of my life … then college happened and high school seemed like hell
I cant wait to be done with this
Actually I could have graduated a year early and enrolled at the UO, but I would have had to give up a lot (directing the pep band, captain of the golf team, etc) to do so.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
pretty much why I elected to stay
although I am taking 2 classes at the UO this year (1 fall 1 spring) so I am technically a student there.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Canzano
Is getting in on the Blount is a loose cannon stuff again, apparently he learned that Blount punched Mike Bellotti in practice once
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Worst article he's ever written
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Fisher said he’s not worried about Blount. I think Fisher’s a fool.
Seriously John? You’re a paid journalist with the largest paper in Oregon and you throw out something like “I think Fisher’s a fool”? Jesus.
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I can imagine the look on the editors face as he said "run it"
but it’s prolly NSFW
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
With so much garbage coming out of Portland I’m not convinced they have editors on staff anymore. Either that of they’ve hired former Fox News employees…“Sure that sounds close enough. Run with it.”
I don't deal in hyperbole.
....but it's not even remotely close.
It makes Fox News look like…..PBS
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
I like the sound of this, what might Hedberg have done with the idea that he was a superhero?
This has nothing to do with that, but I liked it:
I want to hang a map of the world in my house then I’m gonna put pins into all the locations that I’ve traveled to. But first I’m gonna have to travel to the top two corners of the map so it won’t fall down.
OMG, daisy thinks I'm a furking ruhturd.
by Bill Musgrave on Aug 20, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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