Position Preview: Quarterbacks
Even the best laid plans blow up in your face from time to time. The idea was to post a QB review this morning, have qrsouther, axemen23 or runfast cover the afternoon scrimmage. Then we could talk all night about who we thought would win the battle of Nate Costa v. Darron Thomas. Who was more effective? Who made the right reads? Who showed the leadership the Ducks will need to repeat as Pac-10 champs?
Then I heard today the scrimmage will be closed to media and the public.
No worries, though. We’ll all know the answer about 9:05 a.m. Saturday morning.
It wasn’t supposed to be this way, was it? This was supposed to be the year the Ducks made a run at back-to-back BCS bowls behind a dynamic senior QB with lots of wins and two bowl games under his belt. Costa and Thomas were going to spread their wings during mop-up duty versus the likes of New Mexico, Portland State and Wazzu. Perfect, until that plan took a wrong turn down Agate Alley. Or was it Agate Street? Map please!
So it’s Costa and Thomas. Or it’s Thomas and Costa. Everyone’s got an opinion, save the few rational types among us who place their blind faith in Chip Kelly and Mark Helfrich. Reality is, we’ve got it pretty good here. Two capable QBs. Can they say the same at Stanford, Arizona, Washington, Arizona State or Oregon State? If the Pac-10 comes down to quarterback attrition, Oregon should be in good shape.
It might be fair to call Nate Costa the front runner, if for no other reason than he started and finished a conference win at UCLA last year. He’s the senior. He’s been in the program longest.
Costa’s body of work is limited, but largely positive. He came in during the second quarter versus WSU after Jeremiah Masoli got banged up last season. With the game well in hand early, Costa ran a conservative offense to 17 points after Masoli’s exit. He completed 7-of-9 for 80 yards and rushed six times for 26 yards and a touchdown. The following week Costa started on the road at UCLA, and again the offense was pretty vanilla. Costa was 9-of-17 for 82 yards, with a touchdown and one INT. He made mostly good reads and the running game won the day.
Spectacular? No. In the end, however, Nate was somewhat effective. He did what he needed to do to secure the wins.
Darron Thomas’ body of work is more of the spectacular nature.
Thrown into the fire after a failed baptism on the part of since-departed Chris Harper, Thomas nearly engineered a colossal fourth-quarter comeback against Boise State in 2008. He completed 13-of-25 for 210 yards and three TDs, but also threw a costly interception. Thomas was one of few bright spots on an otherwise sucky day to be a Duck fan.
Then came more fireworks. Thomas showed athletic ability when he rushed six times for 24 yards and a touchdown late against WSU. He caught the Beavers napping on a trick play that resulted in a 35-yard completion to Jaison Williams Jeff Maehl in the 65-38 game. Like I said, exciting stuff. Just not a lot of it. And it was in 2008.
Chip Kelly has been crystal clear. One guy is going to be THE guy. Which one? I have no clue.
Costa has his believers. Thomas has his. Some people believe both can be effective. Others are worried that neither can replicate Masoli at the top of his game. We’re collectively putting a lot of weight on nearly every practice session, because we fans have so little else to go on. At the exact moment the UO media department releases today's scrimmage stats, I expect to see no less than half a dozen guys posting those on ATQ simultaneously – maybe Jared or Dave can assign it to someone so we can contain the discussion to one thread.
Whoever gets the job, will be taking the keys to a finely tuned scoring machine. If you’ve read the other offensive previews, you get it. The Oregon QB will line up behind a deep, talented and experienced offensive line. He’ll hand off to one of several speedy, shifty running backs capable of exploding to the house on any play. And he’ll put the ball in the hands of a talented group of receivers and tight ends. When he makes a mistake, a very, very solid defense will have his back.
All the parts are there for double-digit wins. Nate, Darron, try not to screw it up.
So, what about the loser in this competition?
Of course, loser isn’t at all the right word. No. 2 could be no. 1 following any given play in any given practice or game. He’ll need to be ready. More important, he’ll need to be mature in taking his place as the back-up, a notion which was aptly fleshed out in a post Tuesday by Dale Newton over at duckstopshere.blogspot.com. Newton writes that on Saturday, the most important Duck quarterback will be the guy who does not get the starting nod.
"All his teammates will be watching. The fans and media will be watching. Does he hang his head? Is he sulking and detached and going through the motions? Or he is engaged, involved, with his chinstrap buckled and his eyes on the defense, shadowing every rep?"
Oregon has taken so many huge strides as a program the past two decades – just ask benzduck. This will be yet another important moment. As Chip Kelly continues to pile up talented recruits, some potentially high-profile players will need to show teammates the right way to not win a job, how to react, and how fight through that adversity. Young guys like Bryan Bennett, Lache Seastrunk, Dontae Williams and Dior Mathis will be watching. So will key two-deep veterans like Javes Lewis, Ryan Clanton, Marvin Johnson and Bryson Littlejohn.
If I had to make a prediction, I’d suggest that both Nate Costa and Darron Thomas are going to come up big this season. One on the field, and, perhaps, the other on the sidelines.
Note: Right now, this is a two-horse race, so I didn't focus on other QBs in camp. Most of you have read the fall camp recaps - Bryan Bennett looks great one moment and like a true freshman another. If all hell breaks loose - it has before - he'd be the number three guy. Bennett will be big story for the Ducks...let's hope that's next year. Daryle Hawkins is now taking running back reps and would be an emergency play at best. Walk-on holdover Dustin Haines will help with scout team reps.
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I think it's a dead heat at this point.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Damnit. How could I blow that? That must have been the exact moment I spilled hamburger grease on my laptop. Consider it fixed.
I don't deal in hyperbole.
Hey, don't worry about it. I sometimes forget the words to the pledge of allegiance.
I can never remember if it goes “20! The 10! Touchdown! Kenny Wheaton on the interception!” or “15! The 10! Touchdown! Kenny Wheaton on the interception!”
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by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 26, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good stuff.
I am a patient boy, I wait, I wait, I wait, I wait.
by Bill Musgrave on Aug 26, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That trick play pass was clearly to Maehl … it says so in the name of the video … Jaison Williams definitely did not have a chance to drop that one
Aw, don't be so hard on yourself.
Jeff Maehl looks just like Jaison Williams. The only way I can tel them apart on video is that Jeff Maehl is the one that actually catches the balls throw to him.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 26, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Funny, I actually was thinking exactly that after this phrase:
Thrown into the fire after a failed baptism on the part of since-departed Chris Harper
That’s gooood readin’.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 26, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Rumor is
Brady Leaf is making a big push to be named the starter this week. I think Coach Bellotti is making the right choice here.
In my eyes,
Unless something goes HORRIFICALLY wrong in this scrimmage, we will see Costa start against UNM. It seemed like Costa had a clear edge coming into fall camp, but he failed to put any ground in between himself and Thomas. Now they are pretty darn close to each other.
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The Baron vs. C.O.S.T.A.

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by JShufelt on Aug 26, 2010 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 11 recs
I cant decide which one I like better,
Costa’s is very funny, but Darron Thomas’s is very classy.
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And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Aug 26, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I told you I don't want to talk about it.
I am a patient boy, I wait, I wait, I wait, I wait.
by Bill Musgrave on Aug 26, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I wondered where Madden’s Vision Cone wound up. Good to see they found a use for it on Nate Costa. I just hope it works better for him than it did for Madden!
by JonathanPDX on Aug 26, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe its cause I'm in the middle of Assassin's Creed 2, but that Baron Thomas is so sick
Great work in the backgrounds, lots of great detail, but still so subtle and secondary. Are you posting them in the order you are making them or just saving the best for last? Because these are getting better and better!
Go Ducks.....Ducks Go!!!!!
They actually aren’t exactly in order of how I’ve made them. It first started out as just doing ones of the youngins. The new sophomores and juniors. And we were putting them up, starting with the defense. I had a few of the offense done, but we were going to start off with the defense, and then finish with the offense. Then I started to do more of the impact guys ("Pain"synger was too good to pass up on), then it was just, search endlessly for good enough pictures that could give an idea for what to do.
I also decided it was better to sorta end the posts, and leave it to just commenting, because it’s more “legit”. I liked the write ups Matt Daddy did, reading fine print of things, it was apparent that posting them as front pages could possibly make AtQ accountable for any costs or fees. I decided to just start posting them in comments where it was applicable.
My favorite part of the Costa one the small Nike swoosh on the mechanical knee.
I have a few more, and I’ll probably just make new ones when I get new inspiration.
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Keep it up
The worst thing about working in graphics and creative is it sucks up all my inspiration and I have no creative juices left for fun ducks images, though football will help.
The mechanical knee in general is my favorite aspect of the two. Good creation and comp. I love finding fun places to add a nike swoosh, they are like little ducks easter eggs in these types of images.
Go Ducks.....Ducks Go!!!!!
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I love that Baron one.
Q: How come Oregon State players haven't gotten in trouble for stealing anything from a frat house?
A: Who wants to steal a lunchbox?
by QuackQuackAttack on Aug 26, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Costa's strength
You know the more I look at that AP photo you have at the top of this post, the more I’m confident in the strength of Costa’s legs, and the fact that his eyes are downfield and focused on finding a target is even more comforting.
I just wish he’d run the damn ball more on the zone read.
by Heaven's Calamity on Aug 26, 2010 1:26 PM PDT reply actions
EDSBS thinks that if you score first against Tennessee, you take the crowd out of it:
THEY WILL ALSO SIMULATE THE THIRD QUARTER HUSH FALLING OVER NEYLAND WHEN THEY FALL BEHIND BY THREE POINTS. Derek Dooley will simulate every element of a Vol gameday right down to the fans giving up and sinking into a pit of sorrow the instant they fall behind by so much as a field goal and the subsequent group sulk. We’ve been told this is due to the brutal comedown from a brown liquor high into cold, hungover reality, which is why we still recommend vodka for maximum drunken rooting efficiency. Vodka: Keeping EDSBS In The Game and Cheering Since 1994.
And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Aug 26, 2010 1:32 PM PDT reply actions
I meant to put this in the Quack Fix. Oops.
And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Aug 26, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely a standard gameday spec.
I am a patient boy, I wait, I wait, I wait, I wait.
by Bill Musgrave on Aug 26, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Costa was 9-of-17 for 82 yards, with a touchdown and one INT.....enough said!
Masoli was listed as the 5th string QB when he got the chance, and was thrown out in a game and started off really bad constantly overthrowing his WR’s. One thing Masoli did that pissed me off to no end, was throw short passes when he had a WR open deep for an easy TD…..Masoli didn’t have great vision as a passer, just as a runner. Thomas is a much better passer and has a stronger arm. Thomas looks downfield first and then checks down to a short route if deep is not open.
Costa is a senior and will not return for a 10th year next year, Thomas has 3 years left and if/when he is a great QB, he will return the next year.
Out of curiosity, has he ever used a Medical Redshirt
Costa is a senior and will not return for a 10th year next year
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Nope. His redshirt year was 2007. Getting a medical hardship after a redshirt year is very uncommon. His best chance would have been if he got hurt 1 or 2 weeks into the 2008 season, but even that would have been difficult.
2006, True Freshman
2007, True Sophomore (Redshirt year)
2008, Redshirt Sophomore
2009, Redshirt Junior
2010, Redshirt Senior.
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Well here are the QB stats from the super-secret scrimmage this morning
Costa: 17-35 for 138 yards, 1 TD 1 INT. 10 carries 23 yards
Thomas: 14-23 125 3 TDs 4 carries 9 yards
Bennett 6-10 2TD 1 INT 1 rushing TD
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
How many yards did Bennett get?
Costa: 8.11 yards/comp; 3.94 yards/att; 2.3 rushing avg
Thomas: 8.93 yards/comp 5.44 yards/att; 2.25 rushing avg
They were statistically very close to each other, except Thomas had a better percentage and no INT. And I am purposefully under valuing TDs. I do that for most statistical comparisons. Without actually watching the game, I would give the edge to Thomas.
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we have to assume unless told otherwise that they took reps with both the 1st and 2nd team offenses.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
where'd you get the rest of the stats?
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
just for the record
LMJ and Barner were held out for precautionary reasons (no injuries)
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
The yards per attempt difference is significant, IMO.
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They are, but they are also both lower than 7, which is what I like to see.
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I like 20 yards per attempt for our QBs. Way to set the bar low.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Chip Kelly should play more NCAA 07
He’d know that the best offense is Hail Mary on all 4 downs. Our YPA would be at least 30.
here's the basis for my theory
I just played USC on NCAA 11 on heisman difficulty with the sliders @ 60 with Costa at QB. I try to run my offense as close to the ducks offense as possible.
17-20 326 yards 4 TDs 1 INT 6 carries for 51 yards and a TD.
oh yeah, final score was 55-16
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
where is your theory in all the fake stat droppage?
Go Ducks.....Ducks Go!!!!!
by trumpetduck on Aug 26, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How the hell did you do that? Whenever I run the Oregon offense every zone read is a 3 yard loss. Even with maxed run blocking! I’m getting too old for this shit, where’s my Neo Geo?!
If it isn’t NCAA 11, it isn’t worth running.
If it is, it’s all about finding the right guy to read.
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I read the DE. He crashes inside to the RB, so I pull the ball out and keep it. And fourteen linebackers swarm me behind the tackle before I can even get outside.
by JonathanPDX on Aug 27, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
It depends on the alignment, and the shift of the line. Sometimes, it’s nice to get an extra blocker, so use motion when you find it necessary.
If a LB is more in the area of where the DE normally would be prior to any shift, he’ll often be the guy to read.
Also, watch the blocking motion of any guards. They’ll often pull one towards either side. Use him as sort of a, lead blocker.
Don’t always look to run outside, run where there is a hole. That means sometimes you run between the gap of the guard and tackle.
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i've cut straight up behind center before
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
I'm confused,
By B. Williams, do they mean Brandon Williams? Because if they do, he had a damn good day rushing the football-B. Williams 6-48, 2TD
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Ah, thanks.
I figured as much, because they had B. Williams correct in the receiving stats section.
It should be fun to watch Dontae Williams step into the power back position this season. He seems to have won it…
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worth noting
Receiving stats weren’t immediately available, but Kelly said converted quarterback Daryle Hawkins played well in that role, and Costa said freshman Eric Dungy had an impressive scrimmage.
"Our expectations are to win every game we play. I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen .... but no one ever rises to low expectations." --Chip Kelly
Our receivers had impressive stats, save for a few of the cellar players.
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Holy crap
11 tackles for Littlejohn? Damn.
by Heaven's Calamity on Aug 26, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn’t do too well rushing, unfortunately.
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It’s obviously because our defense is so great. Glass is half full, people!
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 26, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Thomas is going to be the man, honestly.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 26, 2010 5:23 PM PDT reply actions
Out of curiosity, why are you so adamant about wanting Thomas?
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 26, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry for the delayed response, woman had me painting a room.
I’m so adamant about Thomas because Costa is too coy in the zone read. I feel like our run game will get eaten alive with Costa at the helm vs Thomas. Based on the practice recaps and notes, many have said that Costa hands off when he should take it on the read, and that Thomas has been much better in that regard.
by Heaven's Calamity on Aug 26, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Wondering about Casey Matthews.
Was he held out, too, or just not as many snaps? I think I read that Kelly wanted to evaluate his two deep from the scrimmage. If so, Littlejohn made a major move today.
I’m not sure we can read a ton into that. If you look at the stats, there are some very key guys missing – Maehl, Davis, TJIII, Matthews, Pleasant, Bair…and that’s not including LMJ and Barner, who were held out for precautionary reasons. There’s no way all of those guys just had bad afternoons.
I’m guessing the one’s didn’t play nearly as much as the two’s and three’s. And that’s just smart. Give them a series or two to get them some simulated game action and then get them the f*** out of there so they don’t get hurt.
One of the advantages of having 80% of your starters returning is that they don’t NEED to get that much simulated game experience. They all had REAL game experience last year. This scrimmage was largely for the two’s and for the Costa/Thomas evaluation.
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I think Costa will take the first snap of the year.
And I think Thomas will take the last – in Glendale of course.
It has been painfully obvious that CK likes to stick with one guy, but my guess is that whoever takes the first snap tomorrow is really claiming taking the first snap at Tennessee. I foresee major playing time for both guys – maybe even Hawkins or Haines – against UNM and PSU. Actual game play will dictate who ends up getting the start when conference play begins.
Hence, back to my belief that Costa will take the first snap and as the season progresses Thomas’ potential will turn to experience and he will surpass Costa on the depth chart.
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