Rock Bottom: Mens' Hoops Under Investigation. Can This Mess Get Any Worse?
You have to feel bad for Dana Altman.
When Altman took the Oregon job in April, it looked as if a fairly successful rebuild could happen sooner rather than later. The roster had underachieved the last couple of years, but it was full of talented, if inconsistent, players, and there wasn't a gaping hole to be found. You thought that if Altman could just get the team to focus and play defense, Oregon would be back in the NCAAs sooner rather than later, especially with a shiny new arena to recruit to.
Fast forward to September. On the brink of practice, Oregon finds its roster minus five players (Wiley, Humphrey, Crittle, Wilson, and now Dunigan), and with only nine scholarship players and two underclassmen on the roster (and I won't even go into the pickle of LeKendric Longmire's academic eligibility being in question), the realistic goal of rebuilding has gone from 1-2 years to us looking at a 4-5 year process.
Then, as if the basketball gods are mocking us, this bit of news hits last night:
The eligibility of "former members" of the Oregon men’s basketball team during the past two seasons is under investigation, the school acknowledged Tuesday night.
The UO statement came in response to a query from The Register-Guard, which has been told by sources that Michael Dunigan signed with a professional team in Israel, ending his college career after two seasons, because his eligibility was in question.
The short statement, credited to UO director of athletics Rob Mullens, indicated that the school had obtained information related to the eligibility of the unnamed players this summer and "immediately contacted the (Pac-10) office ... which in turn forwarded the information onto the NCAA for clarification."
There was no indication how either the conference or NCAA had responded.
Uh oh.
The eligibility issues are related to some sort of improper benefits, though what those benefits were and who provided them is not being released at this time. This is almost certainly why Dunigan signed with a pro team in Israel, and why the summer trip to Italy was cancelled (as UO knew Dunigan wouldn't be allowed on that trip). The Register-Guard says the probe only involed former players, and that nobody currently on the roster is thought to be implicated. Nine players have either transferred or graduated in the past two years, in theory any or all could be involved.
Its not time to panic yet. We have no idea who was involved. We have no idea what kind of benefits are involved. And, most importantly, we have no idea who knew about it or when. We also have no idea if anyone played in any games while ineligible. Its likely somebody did, but we have no idea how deep this goes at this point.
What kind of punishment we could be in store for depends on the answers to the above questions. If ineligible players played in games, vacating those games is all but guaranteed (which, given our ninth and tenth place finishes the last two seasons isn't a terrible loss). Probation is also a likely possibility. That's slap on the wrist kind of stuff, and that the University reported itself makes it likely that could be the extent of our troubles.
The real issues come if coaches or University officials were involved. This is a lack of institutional control, and is the thing that got USC football and basketball hammered. Penalties if that were involved could include a postseason ban (again, not a big deal as we're not making the postseason anytime soon) or, if the infractions were egregiously bad, scholarship reductions. With a roster badly in need of an overhaul, and a new coach needing to get his own recruits on the team, scholarship reductions are the one punishment that would be a damning blow. Fortunately, we have no idea how bad this situation is, and there is absolutely no indication that we're anywhere near that level at this point.
Depending on the level of involvement, it could also tarnish Ernie Kent's legacy of running a clean program, which would be a shame.
I've been following Oregon basketball for fifteen years. Two complete disasters of seasons and possible NCAA infractions definitely serves as the low point in that time. We've hit rock bottom, its difficult to imagine things could get any worse. But night is always darkest right before the dawn. We won't compete for an NCAA spot this season, or likely for a few seasons. But I believe that we have a coach we can rally behind. I won't be looking at the next two years in wins and losses, but rather, is the team playing hard? Are they playing defense? Learning Altman's system? We we getting recruits that lay the ground work for future success?
I believe in Oregon basketball and, given the pricetag for the new arena that will need to be paid off, the Oregon administration will be giving the team everything it can to make it competitive. What fans need to do is give the program support and time. We have to ignore wins and losses right now. If this team can play hard and make progress, that is all we can ask for. Give Altman time. He didn't ask for this mess, and he deserves five or six years to try and clean it up.
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We actually have a coach who knows how to coach the game and not merely recruit
Short-time it’ll suck but long-term it’ll be good.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
So...
could Altman be the Dick Bennett of the Ducks?
I mean, he builds a program basically from scratch, bases it on solid defense, and builds a proven winner that can not only boost the conference’s reputation but also make the NCAAs year in and year out? And then, when he’s ready to go, there’s a Bo Ryan like person who takes the team to consistent Top 25 finishes and NCAA berths?
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For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 15, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
It’s going to take Altman some time to right this ship, but I’ve got faith he can do it! I’ve mentally already accepted this coming year will be “full of opportunity.” -I’m sure his team is keyed on locking in a good recruiting class for 2012.
wait a minute
who the hell is paying our players? they played horribly? obviously they’re seeing something we’re not
Quite obviously
the players didn’t care. Last season and the year before were HIDEOUS. Except for those wins over UCLA. That was good.
Keller is currently re-learning how to speak in complete sentences... 808NaNz808 on Arrowhead Pride
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 15, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Lets start with actually getting a schedule released
Geeze, its a month til practice starts and we still have no official schedule.
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I thought it was on us
Because we were trying to reschedule to UO and OSU games, but ours has been out a month now. Don’t know what your hold-up is.
by Brian Floyd on Sep 15, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
And the women's schedule has been out for a few weeks
Even though of course the Ducks are moving mid-season to a new arena.
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Suck on it ARIZONA and AZ STATE!
They don’t get to play in Matt Court until next year
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
I hope they vacate a bunch of the losses.
We could end up with a better record.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
“In college basketball news today, the NCAA, after finding several players on the Oregon men’s team responsible for accepting improper benefits, determined that the team should vacate its wins from the last two years. However, upon looking at Oregon’s record in those seasons, decided what the heck, just let them keep the wins. It’s more trouble than it’s worth.”
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Sep 15, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Today is the first day of workouts
Hope to hear that all 9 showed up along with the 3 walk-ons. I really hope too that the two graduates who were rumored to be interested in finishing their eligibility with the team show up for school when it starts on the 27th.
Worst part - sucking at hoops makes football off-season feel even longer.
I’m looking forward to some 2-for-1 ticket prices over the next couple seasons. UO marketing is going to have to get creative to fill that big new arena with more than 6,000 warm bodies for home games. I hope Kent is clean. I have faith that Altman is up to the task. For now, we’ll have to relish the occasional upset.
As for the pending rules issues… Lost scholarships would really hurt. So would lost TV opportunities, which may be few and far between for a few years anyways.
I don't deal in hyperbole.
they don't really do TV bans anymore
because it unfairly punishes the other teams.
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by David Piper on Sep 15, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
No Kiddin!
It will indeed be a long off-season. But it will be fun to hang out in the new arena anyway starting Jan 13th! Who knows about the team though, the remaining players might just gel better than the players that left. You never know! It’s not like they were playing all that well anyway. I hope Crittle can get his academic issues solved. He has a chance to be a leader. Go Dana Altman! Don’t lose the faith!! I believe in you.
by Rubber Duckie on Sep 16, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
and by Crittle
(who is now at UCF) you mean LeKendric Longmire.
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I want to second...
a comment I saw the other day… We are the worst cheaters ever…
Wait....
We’re surprised that a bunch of our Worldwide Wes players got paid?
Well, if nobody else is going to say it, I will
THANKS, ERNIE!
Honestly, we don't know that Kent had anything to do with this
Let’s keep the comments above board here and not slip into O-live or ESPN board material.
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While I understand your point
the buck stops somewhere. I’ll hold off on the griping, however…
…if you stop advocating lazy sarcasm.
I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not, I wasn't directing that comment specifically at you
I just don’t want a lot of accusations and rumors being tossed around right now, when we know next to nothing about what happened.
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No, I was being serious.
And see how dangerous your lazy sarcasm font is? You’ve only been relying on it for a few days, and your sarcasm gland has already gone flabby. If the lazy sarcasm font is in widespread use when the Cal game comes around, I shudder to think of the havoc Twist will cause.
I will not stand for any criticism of Matt Daddy font techniques.
He’s a hall of fame level fontist, and has enough other skills that he’s now an editor.
Using the whole fist, Ducks?
by Bill Musgrave on Sep 15, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
We don’t know what happened, and if any coaches were involved. Any comments or accusation directed at specific coaches thus far have been deleted, because they don’t benefit anyone.
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god those are worthless now
they give them away when you get your oil changed.
"Suck it CaDuck!" --Matt Daddy
Personally I think it should be left there, so you can look back at what a foolish comment you made about a good coach who did great things for our university when it comes out he wasn’t involved.
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Would you really gloat about calling out a coach before anyone else for violations that hurt a school and program you root for? That doesn’t sound like something I’d want on my resume.
“Yeah, I was the first to blame Ernie for the shit and mess we’re in, aren’t I cool?”
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No, I wouldn’t gloat. But given that you think I don’t appreciate what Kent did with the program, you seemed to need to assurance. In fact, I thought he earned the right to open the new arena because of what he accomplished. Look it up if you want.
That aside, I’m just holding him to the same standard that I would hold any head coach. It’s the same one that I hold Pete Carroll to. He says he had no idea, but the ultimate responsibility lies with him. Too early to mouth off? Okay, I can’t argue with that. “Foolish” to hold him responsible for what happened under his watch? Nope, sorry.
Way way way way too early.
Blaming Kent now makes about as much sense as the people on the radio who blame Altman.
I can guarantee you this though, if it turns out that Kent was involved, I’ll be the first to write a piece bashing him for tarnishing his legacy and turning his back on the university at the very end. I won’t refuse to hold him accountable just because of some blind faith in my school.
We have to remember that there was almost 2 months where the players were without any coaching structure, the program looked in disarray and the school was without an AD. Plenty of time for a slimy agent to weasel his way into the graces of a player and screw things up. So saying it was on his watch at this point in time is premature.
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The concerns go back two years, not just this past offseason. Don’t know what people are talking about on the radio—I have more enjoyable ways of turning my brain into mush.
I haven't read that the concerns go back two years
I have read that the players in question were from the past two season.
school was tipped off to possible illegal benefits provided by a sports agent to Dunigan and other players from the 2008-09 and 2009-10 teams.
Are you aware of something else? Have a link?
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The eligibility of “former members” of the Oregon men’s basketball team during the past two seasons is under investigation, the school acknowledged Tuesday night.
It’s what Dave blockquoted in this post.
I just took that to mean the same thing that Hunt’s article points out in that it involved players that were part of those teams. I didn’t read that it meant the infractions go back two years. Although I could be wrong.
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We don’t know what happened, and if any coaches were involved. Any comments or accusation directed at specific coaches thus far have been deleted, because they don’t benefit anyone.
Veiled in a good take regarding a conspiracy theory is fine in my opinion but it should be labeled as such until more information comes out. This situation certainly does give one pause given what has transpired the last few years. The arena was coming, 2008 was the last run and a bit of a disappointment. The cupboard was bare.
As much as I like to think it was strictly players, I am forced to wonder if those pressures caused some in the program to cut corners. Human nature is funny that way. I’m not specifically calling anyone out because we certainly will find out more on this as we go along but I think you have to entertain the possibility.
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Just one more reason to make me miss football after the season's over.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 15, 2010 6:55 PM PDT reply actions
KVAL is suggesting three players
who might have been contacted after EK was fired and before DA was hired. Hmmmmm
If that were the situation as described
and those three players would hardly be surprising, its doesn’t seem as bad for the school moving forward.
Of course, we’ll have to wait and see.
--Dave
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I hope their sources are good
EK and staff will be in the clear and the penalties, if any, might not the current players and staff and recruiting.
I thought Boston was in Wisconsin?
No?
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portland was almost named Boston. coin flip. factoid.
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It's in Milwaukee . . .
Which is Algonquin for the good land.
I feel like I should say something smart.
we know
we were being axeman
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the player at Marquette is not implicated in this report
Players at Boston College and UCF are, though.
That said, its not like KVAL has never been wrong before. This is certainly a plausible scenario, but lets not consider it fact at this point.
--Dave
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fuckin agents too...
although they’ve polluted basketball for awhile.
I do enjoy how he tried to package Crittle with the other two….like he was a legitimate basketball player or something.
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What happened is that
the Ducks caught a contagious virus when in Knoxville last Saturday and brought it back to Eugene. Our basketball program is on the brink of serious sanctions because of Bruce Pearl’s lying to the NCAA. Must have rubbed off onto a visiting Duck…
by NorCalVol on Sep 15, 2010 10:48 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I loved this reccing comment
This is why I like Vol fans. Well done.
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Fire Jerry Green!
THE MISSING LINK.
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