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The New and Improved Sun Devils? O Noes!

We just beat Portland State, we're number one!

The consensus coming into the season was that Arizona State, a horrible team last season, would be equally horrible again this year.  After blasting two FCS teams, and losing a squeaker at what we believe to be a good Wisconsin team, the narrative has changed a bit.  Most people don't think that the Ducks are going to roll over ASU, and there is a significant number of people who believe that this is a losable game.  It begs the question, what's different about the Sun Devils?  Are they not who we thought they'd be?

The first thing that's important to note is that its hard to take anything meaningful out of the first three games.  The disclaimer on Oregon's PlayStation stats the first three games has been the schedule-New Mexico and Portland State are horrible teams, Tennessee middle of the pack.  Same can be said for Arizona State-beating that same Portland State team (54-9), Northern Arizona, and losing by one at Wisconsin.  The consensus, or course, is that Wisconsin is good.  But do we know that?  They had their struggles with both UNLV and San Jose State.  I think that Wisconsin is pretty good, and those close score can be linked to the fact that their offense isn't conducive to blowing even bad teams out, but given the Badgers schedule, its tough to make those conclusions just yet.  Remember last year, where ASU outplayed and should have beaten Georgia in Athens, and both teams went on to be completely underwhelming.  That said, the makeover could be very real as well.

Star-divide

ASU's defense last year was quite good, the 13th best defense in the country.  But they lost an awful lot of starters (6), and there is some early evidence to suggest some slippage.  They are currently 5th in the conference in total defense, a not so great stat considering those two FCS teams they played.  The rushing defense has looked stout, giving up just over a hundred yards a game, and even limiting Wisconsin's power rushing attack to 4.6 ypc.  They've had considerably less luck against the pass, languishing in the bottom half of the conference despite the schedule.  They do have four picks, but three of those came against Portland State, who actually moved the ball through the air pretty decently on the Sun Devils.  This still looks to be a good defense, but they haven't played at anywhere near the level they did last year.  They only give up a little over two yards per carry, but the only legit team they've played put up 4.6 ypc (ASU fattened up on PSU's rushing offense, we saw how bad that was).  Oregon's rushing offense is unlike anything they've seen this season, and they'll have to rely on speed moreso than containing power to stop it.  Oregon can run the ball on this defense, especially after the Ducks loosen it up a bit by picking on their fairly porous secondary.  I won't even get into pace and stamina this year, as Oregon's pace will be the polar opposite of Wisconsin.

The big change, of course, has been Arizona State's offense.  Its been quite competent early this season.  Although their backs They still don't run the ball worth a darn (only Arizona has fewer rushing attempts in the conference).  Also, it seems like when they do run, they look to hit the corners and outrun guys.  That worked against a Wisconsin defense that looked awfully slow, but its hard to believe that running east-west is going to be effective against Oregon's defense.

The most obvious difference is at QB.  While the Sun Devils were a revolving door at QB last season, they have stability in Steven Threet, the Michigan transfer who leads the conference in total offense.  ASU is running a version of the ‘air raid' spread this season, but instead of deep route, almost everything is short underneath stuff, utilizing receivers with great hands rather than blazing speed (see Aaron Pflugrad and Kerry Taylor).  They've also utilized a lot of screens this season.  I could see them breaking a big play or two on a screen where we have a big blitz coming or something like that.  But, overall, this isn't a big play offense.  It's a much, much improved offense, but it's a possession offense that has taken advantage of the weak (PSU, NAU) and the slow (Wisconsin, who allowed 17 to SJSU and 20 to UNLV).  I don't see how the dink and dunk is going to produce big numbers against a defense as fast and physical as Oregon.  You may string together a few first downs, but once one of those sweeps or quick outs get stopped for negative yardage, you're in a world of hurt.  (For a visual primer of ASU's new offense, JediASU has a great YouTube feed with all of ASU's touchdown drives on it, here's a sample).

 That's maybe their best drive of the season, and nothing on that film scares me at all.

An interesting thing of note is the pace at which ASU plays. Their spread is nowhere near as fast as Oregon's, but there's a good 17 seconds left on the play clock when they snap the ball.  They want to hurry up and play fast.  Fortunately, Oregon have a defense that's used to playing against someone who does that better.

Two more factors in this game.  The crowd shouldn't be much of one, as ASU is excited at the prospect of topping 60,000 for this game (in a stadium that holds well over 70k), and you know that many of those will be Oregon fans.  But the weather will be, as even with the late start, its expected to be nearly a hundred degrees at kickoff, and still into the 90s when the game ends.  At least with the night game, the sun won't be bearing down on Oregon, but it will be interesting to see if the Ducks can keep up their pace the whole game under those conditions. 

Arizona State looks to be much improved.  They'll beat WSU and UCLA, probably Washington and should have great shots in some other games.   But this isn't a team that's particularly powerful, fast, or tricky.  They are good, but not great in any facet of the game.  Oregon may not run them out of the building, but as long as Oregon doesn't turn the ball over, its not a game that should be particularly close, either.

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I will not say that the Ducks WILL blow them out, but I believe that the Ducks will score 50 or more.

This will be the first time this year that Oregon will play their starters for an entire game…..Maybe.

by ericalancanty on Sep 23, 2010 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't know that the Ducks will score that many

but I don’t see ASU scoring more than 20, probably less than that.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 23, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think to many are calling this a losable game.

The spread is still 11 on the road – that’s significant. I think the argument is that this will be the best D faced to date.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Sep 23, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

in bounds or our of bounds? they don’t keep track of all of his dirty, out of bounds hits and tackles

by echo31 on Sep 23, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That said, I wouldn't mind having him as a Duck to add to the LB rotation.

Players with that kind of edge are great to have on your team and are no fun to play against.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on Sep 23, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

15 yard penalties can hurt a team real quickly

by echo31 on Sep 23, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think his incredible ability outweighs his dumb penalties, but the dumb penalties do hurt.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Sep 23, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think most coaches would help tone that down, but Erickson likes his players to play loose and fast

by echo31 on Sep 23, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was such a jack-ass

that he got flagged for a personal foul against Wisconsin and was getting smacked around by the O-Line every time Clay carried.

He just oozes Brian Cushing…to me, anyway…

Maybe Koa Misi and Jared Odrick would be Patriots if Bill Parcells wasn't Comedic.Sans's father...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 23, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well it really depends,

Are you counting total tackles or just legal ones?

by socalduck2001 on Sep 23, 2010 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

oh and do....

twisting the opponents legs while in the pile get you any extra credit points?

by socalduck2001 on Sep 23, 2010 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the Ducks are going to win comfortably

38-17 is my prediction.

ATQ's #1 Bill Musgrave fan

by daisyduck on Sep 23, 2010 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Ducks: 38-10

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 23, 2010 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I like this pick a lot.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 23, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is not nearly enough PANIC!!! in this thread

"KENNY WHEATON'S GONNA SCORE!! KENNY WHEATON!!--Jerry Allen, 1994"

by M. Fletcher on Sep 23, 2010 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s huge AND it is a gif.

Well done, sir! WELL DONE!

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 23, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

…and he put a subject line so the high school curmudgeons don’t have a hissy fit.

And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 23, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do pay attention from time to time.

"KENNY WHEATON'S GONNA SCORE!! KENNY WHEATON!!--Jerry Allen, 1994"

by M. Fletcher on Sep 23, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loving It..

.need it for my screensdaver

College--the best nine years of my life

by AZDeadHeadDuck on Sep 23, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am sorry...

but the end of that game has to be deflating. Not converting a PAT…that is tragic.

by BisonDucks on Sep 23, 2010 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Rec’d for awesome truth-telling.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Sep 23, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

...and she's on OUR side!

Advantage: Ducks.

"KENNY WHEATON'S GONNA SCORE!! KENNY WHEATON!!--Jerry Allen, 1994"

by M. Fletcher on Sep 23, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Katelynn isn't a Pflugrad

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 23, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is one of those times where a wonderful offer is prize is presented, but when you say “Oh, well, I’ll take her and her friend!!” they bring out someone that is a cross between Quasimodo and the crazy old cat lady that lived in the trailer park off of Danzig Avenue, isn’t it?

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 23, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

IZ that close to Agate Ally?

"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA

by Famous Duck on Sep 23, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't you know

He’s too busy playing Halo to be bothered with Amanda and her friend

Hey Daisy, git me anudder one!
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Sep 23, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

didnt you know?

Amanda is a strike commander with the special armor!

"Suck it CaDuck!" --Matt Daddy

by axemen23 on Sep 23, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can make exceptions.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 23, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

SO REC'D

Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Vontze Burfict, you're insane. There is no way that you have good karma.

by CaDuck on Sep 24, 2010 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ducks 41
Solar Beelzebubs 16

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Sep 23, 2010 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Depth THE Biggest Factor

Close at half then our depth kicks in and the rout is on! My only concern is who get injured? Skill player or backup and what that means for next week.

by Mark McAleer on Sep 23, 2010 2:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm totally with you on this...

but I really hope we can avoid the injuries. After 2007 and last year, we statistically “deserve” a year with no season-ending injuries.

"KENNY WHEATON'S GONNA SCORE!! KENNY WHEATON!!--Jerry Allen, 1994"

by M. Fletcher on Sep 23, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speed

"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA

by Famous Duck on Sep 23, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Famous Duck

You are the King of the non sequiturs.

ATQ's #1 Bill Musgrave fan

by daisyduck on Sep 23, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Broken ladder

"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA

by Famous Duck on Sep 24, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lovin' your sig, Billy

"If you can't copy 'em, don't imitate ''em."
YOGI BERRA

by Famous Duck on Sep 24, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 things:

That is one dink-n-dunk offense. And Wisconsin has a really slow D.

KU fans-how I hate thee!

by quack785 on Sep 23, 2010 3:21 PM PDT reply actions  

yep

both of those things really stood out in that video

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 23, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

While Arizona's (not to be confused with ASU's) offense surely had us on the ropes last year...

The drive in the video against Wisconsin almost encourages me coming into the game. Wisconsin looked dog-tired on that drive. They were never in the right place and seemed absolutely exhausted. Hopefully the heat won’t put our defense into that position early on in this game. If we can get ahead early (which we, admittedly, have generally had trouble doing the past few years), we could coast to a win. If not, we could find ourselves with the same discomfort that we had against Purdue, a similar offense, in 2008.

My yoke is heavy.

by qrsouther on Sep 23, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

As long as we have our two-deep healthy (which is a question mark, given Paysinger and Littlejohn’s injuries), then that shouldn’t be a problem. If anyone can’t go full speed, then depth/fatigue will be an issue.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Sep 24, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Our dline sacks Threet

whereas Wisconsin didn’t. We are summarily better.

by BisonDucks on Sep 23, 2010 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Ducks-34 Sun Devils-13

"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 23, 2010 5:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn’t see anyone throw an interception at 5:33, so I’m not sure how you made that mistake.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Sep 24, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am scared.

I am not panicking nearly as much as I should! PANIC!

Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Vontze Burfict, you're insane. There is no way that you have good karma.

by CaDuck on Sep 24, 2010 1:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Ducks in the Caribbean

My O sticker brought out a “GO DUCKS” from a local @ a stoplight this morning. Ducks in Curacao!

by jhammond10 on Sep 24, 2010 5:20 AM PDT reply actions  

The missed PAT would’ve tied the game, not won it. I get the sense that people felt
this is what lost it for them. Even so, wisconsin would’ve had 4+ minutes to eat the clock
and get within FG range.

by ochocokid on Sep 24, 2010 7:58 AM PDT reply actions  

No worrying about this one

This will not be a game. Party time by the end of the third. Go ducks!

The ducks make me smile as well as drink very heavily.

by Dakotaduk on Sep 24, 2010 2:53 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Welcome!

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 24, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

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