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The Kickoff: Oregon and USC peaking as they prepare for top 20 matchup

THE TEAMS:  Oregon enters this game as Lane Kiffin describes, as "the hottest team in the country." The Ducks have won 9 straight after their opening night loss to LSU, and none of those games have been within 14 points. The Ducks are fresh off a 53-30 obliteration of Stanford in Palo Alto.

USC, after struggling through the early season has rounded into form as well. Their defense has stiffened after a rough start to the season, and they seem to have found a running game, making their offense very dangerous. They put a 40-17 beatdown on washington in a half-empty Coliseum on Saturday.

THE INJURIES:  Oregon is getting healthy at just the right time. Darron Thomas and LaMichael James missed games in October due to injuries, but both looked to be at 100% against Stanford after shaking off the rust against WSU and Uw. It looks like Josh Huff is finally healthy after getting dinged up in fall camp. Anthony Gildon will likely continue to improve after missing a couple games. The only notable injuries currently are Ricky Heimuli, who seems to continue to be battling ankle issues, and Justin Hoffman, who missed the last two games.

USC doesn't have any glaring injury problems but they have a few players with nagging injuries that may limit them on Saturday, something that the Trojans can ill afford due to their lack of depth. The Pac-12's top receiver, Robert Woods, is 70% according to Lane Kiffin. He's battling both shoulder and ankle issues. He'll play though, and give Oregon fans nightmares all week. The Pac-12's top safety, T.J. McDonald, was hospitalized over the weekend due to severe migraines, though I don't expect that to keep him out. Lastly, USC RB Marc Tyler played against washington after missing the Colorado game. 

THE COACHES:  On one side, Chip Kelly, the top coach in the Pac-12. Kelly has amassed a 31-5 record in less than 3 seasons. The only coach better during that time period? Nick Saban, who has a 33-5 record. On the other side is Lane Kiffin. I'll be honest, I can't figure out Lane. He's a great recruiter, and has done good things with the USC offense, and then he'll call a screen pass with 9 seconds left in the game, and you'll be left shaking your head. On the plus side, he's not a sniveling coward that instructs his players to fake injuries, and that's earned him some points in my book.

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KEY PLAYERS FOR USC:

WR Robert Woods, WR Marqise Lee, and QB Matt Barkley:  These three players make up the best overall passing attack in the Pac-12. All three players will be playing on Sundays, and Barkley can hit either receiver just about anywhere on the field. Both receivers are in the top 10 in the conference in receiving, and will make life very difficult for the Oregon secondary.

RB Curtis McNeal:  USC struggled early in the season because they could not develop a consistent running game. They has changed over the second half of the season. McNeal, only 5'7 180, has surpassed 100 yards 3 of the last 5 games, including 145 yards against Stanford. USC is not as dangerous when they are one-dimensional. Unfortunately, a competent rushing attack makes them downright scary.

DE Nick Perry:  Oregon has been very successful this season in part because they've protected Darron Thomas. Perry will be the key in disrupting Oregon's passing and rushing attacks by getting pressure in the backfield early and often. Perry has had issues with consistency, but is still leading the conference in sacks (though 1/3 of his sacks came against Uw last week), and is second in tackles for loss.

KEY PLAYERS FOR OREGON:

CB Terrance Mitchell:  Oregon's freshman corner has stepped up in recent weeks. With Cliff Harris out due to suspension and Anthony Gildon battling injuries, Mitchell is becoming a true lock-down corner. He'll face his toughest test of the season against the stellar USC receivers.

S Eddie Pleasant: It's been a long journey with Eddie, but we're getting there. Over the past month, he's gone from a linebacker trying to play safety, to a true safety. He's been excellent in coverage and is 5th in the conference with 10 passes defended.

RB/WR/KR/Punt coverage gunner De'Anthony Thomas: We all know the story of his last minute commitment to the Ducks, where he spurned USC to play in the high powered Oregon offense. Now's the time for him to show Kiffin and USC what they missed.

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You don't earn points

For not doing what you’re not supposed to do. You earn points by coming up to Autzen, bending over, and repeating “thank you sir may I have another”.

by doomsdaymachine on Nov 14, 2011 11:20 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

That’s kinda what he last year in the Coliseum.

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by jtlight on Nov 14, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

SC is just too inconsistent on both sides of the ball.

They are ripe for a beat down, and barring major turnover issues, that is exactly what they will get in Autzen.

Sure, they have talent and they will score points on us, but I don’t see their defense containing us. I predict a score similar to last year 50-something to 30-something.

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by M. Fletcher on Nov 14, 2011 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

The problem with inconsistency is that it goes both ways.

They could have “one of those games” and make life very, very difficult for the Ducks.

Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Nov 14, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think ripe for a beat down is a thing

They have two tremendous receivers and CB is an issue for oregon. They also have a newly discovered running game and a pretty solid defense. Oregon may well run away with it because for whatever reason chip Kelly seems to make mincemeat of the Tampa 2 but I think a lot of folks are feeling overconfident about this game. There’s not a tremendous amount Oregon can do if USC runs fades every play.

by builds character on Nov 15, 2011 5:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

btw dat needs to do one thing

and that is hold on to the ball after getting to the second level in the D. i was at the game on saturday and immediately had visions of LSU after that happened.

HOWEVER, he is quickly becoming my favorite duck and has the possibility to become our most kickass player ever.

RUN DAT RUN

by freeloader2 on Nov 14, 2011 11:28 AM PST reply actions  

It was a good hit by the defender.

Keep in mind, those are 18 year old arms, that have only had a few months of Jim Radcliffe’s Superstar Training. I’m like 99% sure this is the only season DAT has these ball control problems.

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by Takimoto on Nov 14, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

LMJ couldn’t hold on to the ball to save his life his freshman year. And he rarely fumbles anymore, unless he’s fair catching the ball apparently.

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by jtlight on Nov 14, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Ugh…that one made me want to punch things. I hate HATE fumbling on punts and kickoffs. Thankfully it didn’t matter.

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by Gorbachav5 on Nov 14, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Happens to the best

And since it happened to LMJ the saying is true!

ssshhh....

by OregOnDucks on Nov 14, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It was also a hit with a 4 pound plaster club on Howell's hand

He hit him so hard he re-hurt himself and didn’t return to the game. I think all of our backs would have fumbled that ball.

by thuginator on Nov 14, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

THIS … it seems to be an unfair advantage to play with a club for a hand

by echo31 on Nov 14, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

1 up it. It will turn out that Terrell Turner’s hands hurt, so we will be strapping machetes to them for stabilization.

by DCDuck on Nov 14, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

its wasnt his fault. that guy was using a Cowboy Bob Orton-like cast with a foreign object inside.

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by NEP on Nov 14, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

There are a couple recruits that have both us & USC at the top I wonder if we trounce them if that will make them lean towards us

by The Legend on Nov 14, 2011 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

Honestly, it could do the opposite, and make them think they’ll get a shot at playing at USC sooner. There are so many factors that go into it, a single game rarely makes a difference.

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by jtlight on Nov 14, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

This has been said before

But what will help us is the recruits seeing true freshman (especially DAT) getting so much meaningful playing time. There are other things, but I would imagine the chance of seeing the field right away is a big factor in their decision making.

by WeeJa on Nov 14, 2011 11:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

That and the fact that USC

Can only offer 15 scholarships this year.

by ursula on Nov 14, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

last and first

I know i said it at the beginning of the year, but just wanted to remind everyone…. We are one step closer to being the first Pac 12 Champs and will always retain the title of Last Pac 10 Champs Ever!

IYAAYAS

by AMMO Duck on Nov 14, 2011 12:01 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Second big game in a row

Great to see us up to fourth and another win against a ranked opponent keeps us on the up.

Here is a question, it seems that USC would clearly be ranked higher if they were bowl eligible, does this also have a negative effect on our and the rest of their opponents strength of schedule?

"We have an attack mindset from the get-go. We're going to try to pressure you in as many ways as we can, from the tempo we play at to the formations we run." - Chip Kelly

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by Ozraider on Nov 14, 2011 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

Yup

A USC team with an 8-2 record has never been ranked below #12 until this week.

I do not believe it really affects you… the only USC component in the BCS rankings is USC’s computer numbers, which are more objective (at least in theory).

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by RabbitSC on Nov 14, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know, we’ll have to see after this week. If Oregon wins soundly, who deserves to be 3 in the human polls, Oregon or Alabama? If USC were being ranked as they usually are, they’d probably be up in the top 15. Oregon beating the #4 and say, #13, teams on back-to-back weeks would look pretty darned good. Instead, a win over USC won’t look all that great to humans.

I’m glad the robots will think it’s sexy.

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by Gorbachav5 on Nov 14, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

really sucks if USC's screw up affects the whole conference

Obviously they shouldn’t be bowl eligible but it should in no way affect the entire conference.

"We have an attack mindset from the get-go. We're going to try to pressure you in as many ways as we can, from the tempo we play at to the formations we run." - Chip Kelly

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by Ozraider on Nov 15, 2011 4:39 AM PST up reply actions  

while you're at it

Might as well complain about the rest of the conference not being all that good – can’t pin this just on SC.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 15, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

This.

Well… Stanford is decent, and UW has been… serviceable.

But that’s about it, unfortunately.

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by JShufelt on Nov 15, 2011 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

totally different

those teams just straight suck, there is no reason that (god willing) we beat SC that we should not get credit for the win based on the quality of the opponent not on the fact they have sanctions placed on them

"We have an attack mindset from the get-go. We're going to try to pressure you in as many ways as we can, from the tempo we play at to the formations we run." - Chip Kelly

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by Ozraider on Nov 15, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

don't know what to tell you

I mean, I take your point, but that’s how the BCS calculations are set up. We’re not eligible, so we’re excluded from being ranked. That would be less of an issue if the rest of the conference weren’t also rank.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 15, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Stupid USC :/

lol

"We have an attack mindset from the get-go. We're going to try to pressure you in as many ways as we can, from the tempo we play at to the formations we run." - Chip Kelly

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by Ozraider on Nov 16, 2011 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah that wasn't my point

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 16, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

XD

"We have an attack mindset from the get-go. We're going to try to pressure you in as many ways as we can, from the tempo we play at to the formations we run." - Chip Kelly

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by Ozraider on Nov 16, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

it still counts as a quality win

While the human polls don’t care about USC USC’s a quality win as far as the computers go, so it still is counted. It’s probably not quite as high a win as it would be if they weren’t on probation simply because humans will discount it a bit, but it still is worth something.

by kalon on Nov 16, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they are more objective (unless you think someone is massaging the data). They’re just crappier.

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by AllSaintsDay on Nov 15, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

/pedant

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by AllSaintsDay on Nov 15, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Mushberger calling the Duck game again this weekend

And another game I won’t remember on Sunday.

Thanks JT.

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by Babablockhead on Nov 14, 2011 12:55 PM PST reply actions  

Wait so we get him for our game

But the Houston/SMU game gets College Gameday?

Well that just ain’t fair.

by Jonathan Wright on Nov 14, 2011 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't know if this has been posted yet but a good read from SF, "Big Balls Chip."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/13/SPVD1LUH7T.DTL

let me know what you think..

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by Famous Duck on Nov 14, 2011 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

Re: fake injuries

As I thought after the Cal incident, it seems the fake injuries have really declined this year, with some possible exceptions against LSU. Never underestimate the manhood thing in football and faking injuries is extremely unmanly.

by eloomis20 on Nov 14, 2011 4:27 PM PST reply actions  

well

we haven’t been playing at ludicrous speed like last year, either. Our pace has been significantly more methodical with a lot more substitution packages each down – and every time we sub, the refs are obligated to not set the ball until the defense subs in.

So it’s slower. We’re running significantly fewer plays a game to last year, and I don’t think the pace is killing opponents like it did. Our <2 minute drives are predominantly explosive play-drives instead of just lightning fast drives.

by kalon on Nov 14, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Chip has been heel/toe-ing the pedals like a Formula One driver this year.

The players aren’t the only ones who improve year-to-year. Last year there’s no way we grind the clock through the late-third and entire fourth quarters against UW and ‘furd. Why this year? Fusks and Trees need time to grind out points. Racing up and down the field plays into their game plans. This year he’s playing their own strengths against them by slowing down and grinding the clock. Playing a numbers game. Keeping the ball out of their hands. And that’s beautiful, because THEY can’t play at OUR pace, but WE can play at THEIR pace.

Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Nov 14, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I think part of the slowing down, part of the substitution patterns is of course because of the November schedule.

He plays each game within the game, the conference game, the national game, the media game and he discloses little to anyone and will seldom even admit a thing when asked because he is playing all these games so well, all of them are important and all necessary for modeling for his coaches and players. He learned very well as an assistant and strives to pass all that information along.
He said tonight, “Our players play to succeed, they don’t play for fear of failure.”

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by Famous Duck on Nov 14, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I still think

That it wasn’t the university’s decision or choice – it was Phil Knight’s. I think Phil saw how good the teams looked with Kelly in 2007 and 2008 and did not want another stellar OCoordinator leaving to coach somewhere with great success. Bellotti going the AD route is probably something he wanted to do at some point in the future, but I strongly suspect that Knight said ‘I want Kelly as my coach, make it happen now’ and they worked things out from there.

Mind you, I think absolutely that this was the right decision. Belotti would get us to the Pac-10 or 12 championship every so often – when we had an abundance of good players and good coordinators – but he wasn’t going to do it consistently year in and year out. Kelly came in and made a middling option QB into a Heisman leader in his first year, then took a 5th string JC QB into the most productive QB in the conference and a Pac-10 champion. Kelly is the next level of coaching, and it’s clear that he was the main reason that the Ducks are where they are.

I love Bellotti and think the best of him. He was a steady, solid, dependable coach with no major failures and no major issues. He was great with the media and great with recruiting. But he isn’t the best coach, and he certainly isn’t on the level of the Urban Meyers or Nick Sabans of the world. Kelly is.

by kalon on Nov 15, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Is this a hunch, or do you actually have something that supports that?

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by JShufelt on Nov 15, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Just a hunch

We do know that Knight loved Kelly and was one of the big reasons that they got Kelly in 2007. I can find a couple articles indicating that, but I know that in 2006 with Crowton he said ‘well, I’m not the main guy – you want this guy Kelly out in NH’ and Knight went and found him and convinced him to come to Oregon.

Knight’s also said that he wanted Kelly as coach, I believe. And he said he would pay whatever it took to keep Kelly around.

But no, it’s just a hunch. It makes sense – Bellotti stepping down so suddenly to take an AD role that clearly he didn’t particularly want, Kelly getting the head coaching job after only two years (and remember after the BSU game how much we questioned him and him being way over his head? boy that seems odd now), the huge coaching salary right away…it adds up.

by kalon on Nov 15, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Did Knight go out and convince Kelly?

I thought Bellotti did most of that work.

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by Duckfanatic10 on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

The story of Chip being recruited by MB is pretty well documented

including the various ties, connections and process that went through. I find this rather base-less rumor-mongering serving ill purpose.

Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!

by gamedaytribe on Nov 15, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

yes, you're right.

At least about Bellotti getting Chip. I’ll see if I can find the article that links Knight and Kelly.

Also, I don’t see it as particularly harmful one way or another. If it turns out that Knight said that Kelly has to be the head coach of the Ducks I will be the first person to shake his hand. He was right, absolutely 100% right.

by kalon on Nov 15, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't look good

for our university to be making decisions at the whim of our biggest donor. It’s that sort of stuff that can lead to abuse (or at least the appearance of). To state something like that without having “proof” can be dangerous.

"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly

by Duckfanatic10 on Nov 15, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it was a whim

I think that Phil Knight said that he wanted Kelly as coach. I think that folks saw that it was a good time for Bellotti to move on, and I think that they also saw that they weren’t going to keep Kelly forever if they didn’t do something.

Phil Knight is a bit more than our biggest donor. And we’ve done plenty at his whim. The indoor practice field was a good example – that was basically Knight asking ‘what do we need to be competitive’, someone flippantly saying ‘an indoor practice area’ and him saying ‘ok’. The uniform stuff is pretty much at Knight’s whim. The new study hall was done at his request and by his design; it was a private building that was donated to the university without any university input.

Phil Knight has a massive amount of influence on Oregon sports. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. This is a man that has great passion for success, is a very intelligent businessman and very successful. He’s about as benevolent a dictator as we could have. Denying this is somewhat silly.

by kalon on Nov 15, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Respectfully, I think you are overstating

Phil Knight’s involvement in the Kelly hire, and MB’s decision to step down. I think you are saying something that many, many other fanbases suspect…that PK ‘owns’ the team and makes all of the important decisions. I don’t believe that is the case.

I DO think he is consulted on hiring decisions. I do not think he drives the hiring process. Rob Mullen has stated that he did not speak to PK until he had a job offer. After the offer, PK was pretty much the very next person he talked to and they had a long, broad ranging discussion about athletics at UO.

As other posters have also said, I think it’s unwise to propagate rumors that our biggest donor has a major hand in the day to day operations of the department or teams.

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by daisyduck on Nov 15, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not propagating any rumors

I have a hunch. I stated it. What, I shouldn’t state these things at all? Is SBNation going to pick up a story saying ‘unnamed source at UO says Knight orchestrated Bellotti downfall’?

Don’t be absurd.

I don’t think that Knight owns the team. But I do think that he has a good amount of say into where the team goes. I doubt he’s consulted on hiring decisions outside the organization but I am totally wiling to believe that he can state what he wants to have happen and what he states has some weight to it. To think otherwise is fairly ludicrous.

I guess here’s the thing I don’t get, Daisyduck – if this wasn’t partially at Knight’s behest, why did Bellotti take the AD job and then resign it 6 months later? It’s not like the Ducks were under such huge fire that it was a horrible thing, and the entire athletic program wasn’t going to crash and burn. It’s also not like he wouldn’t know what being the AD would be like. It always seemed odd how quickly they moved from the end of the 2008 season to Kilkenny’s resignation and Kelly taking over the coaching job almost immediately.

by kalon on Nov 15, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

And this

Comes from a guy with a Burns avatar wearing a LMJ jersey :p

by kalon on Nov 15, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Bellotti

had been considering retirement for some time. He openly stated how difficult the job was on family life. I think it’s just as possible that MB knew CK was the exact right person to hand the keys to, saw a golden parachute was available, and took the opportunity to get out. I’ve read many times over the years that MB has a remarkably under-control ego for someone in this profession.

I’d be more likely to buy into your scenario if MB had gotten immediately back into coaching. If he was pushed out before he was ready, why didn’t he go get another job right away? He could have had any of numerous different jobs over the last 2 years. I think he was genuinely ready to move on.

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by daisyduck on Nov 15, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

It was Crowton who suggested Kelly to St. Mike.

I sincerely doubt knew Chip Kelly even existed at that time. Knight might have had a part in engineering Mike’s departure to pave the way for Kelly, but certainly had nothing to do with finding Kelly in the first place.

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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Nov 15, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed!

What has impressed me the most is that it is not just a 3rd and 4th quarter thing- he is constantly changing tempo. LaMichael’s final touchdown on that 4th and 2 was a great case in point: methodical, methodical, then wham… tempo quickened.

by The Graduate on Nov 15, 2011 5:58 AM PST up reply actions  

pedantic reply

F1 cars don’t have manually operated clutches any more, for what that’s worth. Chip Kelly = Ross Brawn @ Ferrari with Schumacher, at the moment, which blows for the rest of the conference.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 15, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Stop it!

You’re going to take away my crown of pedantry!

I have a reputation here…

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by JShufelt on Nov 15, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

It won't last

I’m on the run from the law – those douchbaggery charges are finally working their way out to the east coast.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 15, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry to bore you

I look forward to analogies involving USC’s 2005 national championship and other things that don’t exist any longer.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 15, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Delightful

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 15, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Stanford?

Boring, wins a lot, but not as much as Shumacher?

It wasn’t a perfect analogy, I see that now.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 15, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

You're probably right

I stopped paying attention to formula 1 a few years ago – not out of hostility, but something had to give. If Speed still showed rallying I’d probably watch that instead.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 15, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Noticed that too after Stanford

Chase Thomas didn’t cramp up once!

My parents believed in me.

by flyduckfly on Nov 14, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been super impressed with Pleasant over the last few games

It’s no accident IMO that if he plays well, our D plays well. He’s improved so much in coverage it’s almost hard to believe. With he and Boyett back there, we are really forcing teams to throw shallow and methodically work their way down the field. If we do the same to USC, we win going away, because they don’t have the depth or speed to keep up for 4 quarters. Their linebackers have really struggled against our offense.

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Nov 14, 2011 6:44 PM PST reply actions  

Don't be so sure

With Price and UW he didn’t have enough time to throw deep. With Stanford they simply don’t throw deep, like, ever.

Of the three teams that are ‘good’ in the conference USC matches up the best against our defense; they have a competent to good OLine, a good running game and some amazingly good receivers. Oregon has some issues defending good receivers (Cal, Arizona, and WSU showed us this) and this will be tough.

I like how well Boyett and Pleasant have been playing, but it’s not the safeties I’m concerned about. I’m concerned about our youth and talent at cornerback. We don’t have a cliffy this time.

by kalon on Nov 14, 2011 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just saying Boyett and Pleasant in coverage

Gives our young corners some help. They’ve improved a lot since the Cal and Arizona games, and Mitchell looks tremendous. Hill and Ekpre-Olomu have their rookie moments, but they’ve come along as well. They’ve gotten to the point where Cliff is an after thought, because for as many good plays as he makes, he’s gotten burned a fair amount. We can’t afford that against the two SC receivers. Our young DBs are all sure tacklers, which will be key against Woods and Lee. Those two are scary good with room to run.

The running game is good, but not great enough to have to bring Boyett down like we did against Stanford. We’ve faced a better offensive line in LSU (and possibly Stanford, especially in the run game) already this year. Barkley is prone to getting rattled when he gets hit a few times (and he will get hit); he isn’t very mobile. And for as many yards as SC has racked up, they aren’t great in the redzone. SC kept it competitive against Stanford, but Stanford looked like the physically superior team in that game. This isn’t the SC of old, they don’t have the depth.

I see your point though. In terms of balance, SC’s offense is the most balanced in the conference. And balanced offenses typically do well against our defense.

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by baseb3383 on Nov 14, 2011 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Not on Saturday they didn't

Stanford is a very balanced offense. Look where that got them.

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by RDreamer on Nov 14, 2011 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

he’s gotten burned a fair amount.

While we haven’t missed Cliff much, this is a very unfair statement to make. He was burned far less than any other Oregon CB since Alex Molden.

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by jtlight on Nov 14, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

One time against Arizona is all I can remember

and some boneheaded mistakes on punts and kickoffs. But there was a reason we loved Cliff, and it wasn’t just for his playmaking ability. He could lock down bigger and faster receivers like nobody’s business.

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by Duckfanatic10 on Nov 14, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s that unfair. He was a gambler, and while he would make some incredible recoveries, this year he looked a step slow and a bit loose in coverage. I’d rather have last year’s Cliff; this year’s Cliff I don’t miss much.

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by baseb3383 on Nov 14, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve heard this sentiment a lot, that he was a gambler. Could we get a few actual examples of him taking a big risk for a big play, and it going sour?

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by JShufelt on Nov 15, 2011 6:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Morgan Flint kicking a long field goal in the Rose Bowl?

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by Takimoto on Nov 15, 2011 7:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I think this thread is about Cliff.

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by Duckfanatic10 on Nov 15, 2011 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate you

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by Matt Daddy on Nov 15, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

No you don't.

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by Takimoto on Nov 15, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish I could quit you Tako

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by Matt Daddy on Nov 15, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I know.

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by Takimoto on Nov 15, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Beautifully played.

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by Gorbachav5 on Nov 15, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

They have an...unknown running game.

It has rounded into form a little of late, but against the Fuskies? The jury remains out. Woods and Lee are by far the most dangerous part of their offense. If we can put anything like the pressure on Barkley as we did on Luck and Price, and limit their running game anything like we did against UW and ‘furd, we have a good shot at avoiding a track meet. Papa Kiffen hasn’t had much success defending the spread, and certainly hasn’t defended an offense with as much speed as the Ducks have, so I’m not worried about putting up points. I just would rather not HAVE to be scoring late.

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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Nov 14, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Chip Kelly on Oregon Football with Chip Kelly

I really love to listen to Chip walking through the drives and highlights of the game each Monday. Even though he mostly deals in Chippisms and platitudes, theres’ such a solid core of truth to that in his case that it doesn’t feel like Coach speak. You can also subtly tell from his tone when is really proud or happy with something. In many superficial ways, he’s Bill Belichek’s alter ego. He doesn’t like getting too high, getting too low. He doesn’t like giving any detail about his strategy and approach away because he’s so competitive. He is focussed on his mission with a laser-like intensitity. With a second look, a lot of these details remind me of Coach K at Duke. He has a WAY, and he gets his players to buy into it. Win the Day. Live it. Breathe it. Succeed with it. Let it envelope and infuse everything you do. Laser-like focus on the mission at hand. It’s somewhat awe-inspiring to see it unfold so magnificently.

  • “Oregon defense playing with a lot of confidence, and confidence based on demonstrated ability, not just fake * confidence”
  • “response after turnover, not just turnover”
  • “Field position was key”
  • “how we practice during the week allows us to play well”
  • “evident on the filed, they were getting fatigued”
  • “finish with points” (meaning each drive)
  • “kenjon had fresher legs than the guys on defense”
  • maldonado apparently makes 40yarders consistently in practice
  • “we’re getting a lot of production out of a lot of different people right now”

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by gamedaytribe on Nov 14, 2011 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

Is this a best- or worst-case scenario?

UW vs. fBSU in the Las Vegas Bowl?

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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Nov 14, 2011 9:16 PM PST reply actions  

I like it

First of all, it fBSU in the Las Vegas Bowl. Awesome. Second of all they’ll beat the huskies and that’s awesome too. Not that I’d be rooting for anything more than Las Vegas to get swallowed by a black hole.

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by Matt Daddy on Nov 14, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what I'm worried about.

Divide-by-zero swallows the entire Earth whole.

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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Nov 14, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Play another wind bowl like the Bavers did a few years ago.

Both teams have 7 turnovers and it’s called due to inclement weather in the 4th with a 0-0 tie.

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by omb on Nov 14, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I root for that anyway.

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by Gorbachav5 on Nov 14, 2011 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

BYU might raise a stink. Las Vegas has been their pet play place for the wander lust of the semi-faithful.

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by Famous Duck on Nov 14, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

So true,

But so weird. Vegas is the polar opposite of BYU. When we were there in 2006 there were no lines for beer at the game, and as a result there were no lines for the restrooms at halftime.

While BYU might love playing football in Vegas, I think Vegas might hate BYU.

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by Babablockhead on Nov 15, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

One of the reasons Oregon hasn't played much at "ludicrous" speed

is because of the new players (a few linemen and the receivers) on offense. Last year, the linemen and receivers were almost all returning starters, and everyone knew where to be every play. This year, especially early, the newbies need a little hand-holding.

Another thing I’m amazed about this year is that our offense has gone pretty much the entire year with one TE. Williams and White being injured I believe put a huge crimp in Chip’s plans for a lot of H-back formations. Colt’s going to be a good one, but with his inexperience and the hideous lack of depth, we can’t really afford to go 2 TE much. Lastly, I saw a post by a fan on the RG that Blackmon’s FB page says he is undergoing surgery. Can anyone confirm?

by AtticusDuck on Nov 14, 2011 10:05 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think that's true.

Oregon has snapped off drives averaging 12 seconds per play several times this year. The difference is that Chip is deliberately tweaking the pace as dictated by the game at hand. IOW he’s using the football world’s reverence for ball control and time of possession against them. The Ducks can control not only the pace of their own offense but the pace of the entire game.

Opponents insist on continuing to play the “ball control” game against Oregon as if it is relevant. “If we grind out a six-minute drive, that will keep their offense off the field.” That’s all well and fine, except that A) that drive had BETTER end with 6 and B) who cares how long YOU take to score? Let us have the ball for a total of 20 minutes and we’ll put up 45 or better. So Chip is basically saying “WE’LL purposefully slow down the tempo, grind some time off the clock, and leave YOU less time with which to score.” Again, they can’t play at OUR pace; they need TIME to get down field and get points. OTOH we CAN play at THEIR pace; WE can run LMJ between the tackles, mix in some play-action, and if we happen to spring DAT or LMJ or whomever on a long dash for 6, so be it. Now YOU have less time to score, and you NEED it.

The UW and Stanford games are prime examples. UW played us fairly even through the first half, as did Stanford. In both instances the Ducks took advantage of early turnovers to score quick points, but the offense was mostly establishing what they wanted to do for the bulk of the opening half. In both games, the Ducks came out in the third and pushed the tempo, exploiting the holes they had found in the opponent’s armor in the first half and knocking them on their heels. But, and this is the important part, this year Chip is watching the clock and playing the numbers game. He reels in the tempo (in both cases towards the end of the third quarter) and starts milking the clock. He knows the opponents at this point are desperate for points, knows they’ll start passing the ball and abandoning the ground game, knows they above all need TIME to score. And by playing his own version of ball-control, he’s denying the opponent the chance to get back into the game.

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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Nov 14, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I agree...

The Ducks have done an amazing job this year – especially in the last 2 games – of slowing the overall offensive tempo with a lead in the 4th Q and putting together long, clock-killing drives. In addition, on critical downs/situations they can throw in a quick snap, catching the lulled-into-a-slower-pace defense totally off guard. (I believe this happened at least once on a 3rd or 4th down play on one of the last drives.)

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by Uncl on Nov 14, 2011 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Chip, more than last year, has gone Milton Berle on opponents

Once we are up 2+ scores, the offense goes straight to the “see me” system, drains seconds off the clock, and only throws it if absolutely necessary. How many times last year did LMJ sit out the entire fourth quarter, regardless of the score? This year, particularly after LMJ’s elbow injury, Chip is more likely to throttle down, and shorten the game. As the new players have gotten more acclimated, the pace on offense has picked up, which occured in the UW and Stanford games.

You may have a point about controlling tempo and forcing teams to abandon the ball control strategy, but the Ducks’ TOP numbers don’t bear that out. Further, it seems anethma for Chip to go away from the high pressure tempo system while the game’s in doubt.

by AtticusDuck on Nov 15, 2011 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Where did I say he goes into clock-killing mode when the game is still in doubt?

I specifically said he does it when the situation suggests it, IOW when it becomes apparent that the opponent needs both points and time to get back into the game. He starts to grind out the clock to deny them that which they need most: Time.

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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Nov 15, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree. And I think that he was doing that last year also. Cal was mentioned but more to YOUR point, think Wazzu.

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by Famous Duck on Nov 15, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

DRINK
Oregon has snapped off drives

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by axemen23 on Nov 14, 2011 11:24 PM PST reply actions  

Reply fail on a drinking game?

False drink command? Slap Bet Commissioner says I now have 5 slaps to use anytime, anywhere, at my discretion. You have been forewarned.

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