MBB Game 13 Preview and Open Thread: Oregon Ducks at Washington State Cougars
by David Piper on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 AM PST
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PrintOregon Ducks (9-3) at Washington State Cougars (8-4)
6:00 PT, Spokane Arena
TV: Comcast Sportsnet Northwest
KenPom Ratings: Oregon (117), Washington State (70)
Pomeroy Prediction: WSU 73, Oregon 65
Lost between the buildup to the Rose Bowl and the opening of the NBA season is the fact that conference play begins today for the Oregon basketball teams. Because it is winter vacation, and nobody actually lives in Pullman during winter vacation, the Ducks will travel to Spokane to take on Washington State to open Pac-12 play. The resumes of the two schools are remarkably similar--Oregon hasn't really beaten any good teams, but hasn't lost to any bad ones, either (in spite of their best efforts). Washington State can almost say the same, with three of their losses coming to Gonzaga, New Mexico, and Oklahoma, but there's a complete stunner of a loss to UC-Riverside mixed in there (although WSU has generally taken care of their other non-conference competition in much more impressive fashion than Oregon has managed thus far)..
Usually, headed into conference play, we have a fairly good idea of the conference hierarchy, and how good teams are. This year? No clue. I mean, we know the conference is bad. Really bad. In fact, Oregon is almost unique in the simple fact that it doesn't have a terrible loss. What are the marquee wins that this conference has had thus far? Stanford has beaten Oklahoma State and NC State, both of which are solid, but not great. Oregon State beat Texas and got blown out at home by Idaho). No good wins for Arizona. None for Washington. Cal has been absolutely blown out of the gym by every good team they've played. Utah will finish last--they are that bad--but, you could put 1-11 in almost any order at the end of the season, and I wouldn't be shocked by it. The talk is that the Pac-12 won't get more than two teams into the tournament, and Prehm was tweeting the other day that Oregon would need 14 wins between conference play and the conference tournament to feel good about their NCAA chances. Whatever the reputation, the Pac-12 certainly isn't a power conference right now, and hasn't been in some time. There isn't a good excuse for it, ever, let alone three or four years in a row. However, it is what it is, which isn't a very good basketball conference right now.
Washington State has come on strong, winning six in a row as many players have come back from injury. The guys leading the Cougars are players that should be well known to Oregon fans at this point. Perhaps the most suprising is 6'10" junior Brock Motum. Motum has doubled last season's scoring average--and is up to 14 a game--but what has impressed most is his toughness and physicality. A softer player in years past, Motum has developed an interior game, and isn't afraid to mix it up down low. He brings home almost seven rebounds to go along with his points. To make matters worse, the Cougars start another 6'10 post, Charlie Enquist, who brings home another seven rebounds a game himself. A key reserve, DJ Shelton, also stands at 6'10". Tony Woods, Olu Ashaolu, and Jeremy Jacob haven't rebounded terribly well this season, and will have their hands full with WSU's twin towers. Fortunately, Tyrone Nared should be back from injury, improving post depth as well as giving Oregon back their best rebounder.
A trio of guards round out the starting lineup in Reggie Moore, Marcus Capers, and DeVonte Lacy. Moore and Lacy are scorers who can hit the three, while Capers is more of a defensive minded player who doesn't shoot a lot (and never from three), but almost always hits when he does. WSU's leading scorer is actually reserve Faisal Aden, who scores over 15 points per game, but at times can be a black hole, taking crazy shots out of the offense and becoming a turnover machine. So long as Aden isn't being uncharacteristically efficient, its not a bad idea to let him get into ballhog mode.
FOUR FACTORS PREVIEW:
eFG%: Washington State 54.1 (30), Oregon 51.1 (100)
Oregon was one of the best in the country in this statistic early, but has cooled down considerably in the last few weeks. Washington State has the three 6'10" guys who all get a lot of shots near the basket and shoot very high percentages. Oregon, on the other hand, has turned much more into a perimeter team as the inconsistency of the posts has shown through and EJ Singler, Garrett Sim, and Devoe Joseph have been forced to provide the bulk of the offense.
Turnover %: Oregon 20.2 (125), Washington State 22.2 (234)
The Ducks have cleaned up the turnovers considerably from earlier in the season and, while the numbers still aren't great, its much better than the sub-250 numbers that they were sporting a couple of weeks ago. Washington State turns the ball over a lot.
Offensive Rebounding %: Washington State 33.4 (137), Oregon 27.8 (293)
Washington State's numbers are very low for a team of their size, but Oregon is simply abysmal. Oregon is not a small team, and there is no excuse for them to be as bad at rebounding as they are, but they have consistently not attacked the boards with a whole lot of intensity, and have had trouble corralling rebounds when they are the first one there. Not getting completely killed on the boards is a must if Oregon is to win.
FTA/FGA: Oregon 47.0 (24), Washington State 43.3 (63)
Oregon gets to the free throw line with surprising regularity for such a perimeter oriented team. Washington State gets there a lot as well.
KEYS TO THE GAME:
1. Rebounding: Oregon has big guys. A lot of them. There is no excuse--none--for the rebounding on this team to be as abysmal as it has been. If Oregon gets outrebounded big, they have no shot. However, if the Ducks can hold even on the boards, Oregon's superior perimeter players should give them a great shot to win.
2. Effective Press: Washington State has been very turnover prone. If Oregon can run the press effectively, they should be able to make the Cougar guards uncomfortable, both causing turnovers and getting the pace up.
3. Intensity: The biggest difference between this season and last, in my view, has just been general intensity and hustle. It just doesn't look like a lot of these guys work all that hard. If they can start to recapture the intensity that last year's team played with, sheer talent should lead them to success.
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That Altman photo is so full of derp it scares LaMichael James.
"Stay the $#%& away from the Pelican’s PBJ!!!"
Go Fish, Get Hooked! www.FishDuck.com
He looks like a velociraptor with strange claws
¡Me gustan las tortugas!
And Cliff Harris was like, "VRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
by DuckUntilDeath on Dec 29, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
"Weeeeellll Good fer youuuuu sunshine!"
clap… clap… clap
Altman is actually just a giant troll during games.
But you are all the smartest, funniest, most handsome bitches on all the internets.~DaisyDuck 11.2.11
by Quack Addict on Dec 29, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Dana, If you had to carry one of Chip's balls, how would you do it?
But you are all the smartest, funniest, most handsome bitches on all the internets.~DaisyDuck 11.2.11
by Quack Addict on Dec 29, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
has anyone heard Jabari's real reason for leaving?
he said he would speak about it after he choses a new school. well, he’s chosen his new school and i want to know the reason……
can anyone help with this?
something about him not being a good fit for Altman's system
his dad talked about it in an interview
--Dave
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Altman's system? Like playing defense and running a lot...
"Stay the $#%& away from the Pelican’s PBJ!!!"
Go Fish, Get Hooked! www.FishDuck.com
by keeerrrttt1 on Dec 29, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
If you haven’t read this already, it’s an article about the AAU system, and sheds a little light about why he didn’t “fit” in Altman’s system.
Michael Jackson: A million dollars. You feel me? Holla!
by Babablockhead on Dec 29, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
not having everything handed to him didn't sit well
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
so..
“don’t let the door hit you in the behind on your way out,” kind of thing.
by Quacker Backer on Dec 29, 2011 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
after he committed
i recall him talking about altman’s style being right up his alley.
by Quacker Backer on Dec 29, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
ego
plain and simple it seems. There’s no room for big ego’s in Pac-12 basketball right now.
by WinOrLoseCougsBooze on Dec 29, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
There's no room for talent either, apparently.
That being said, I’ve been looking forward to tonight all week. Ducks on the tube and Washington/Blazers on the cpu
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
by axemen23 on Dec 29, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lucky you
In Washington we get to see OSU vs. UW on TV only. Who wants to watch Husky rat-ball when this is obviously the better matchup?
by WinOrLoseCougsBooze on Dec 29, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
as much as it’s going to pain me, both these teams are very intriguing. Huge barometer game for both teams. Not to mention RG3 vs. the Uw defense.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
for football, that is.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Well, I'm streaming the the Uw football and basketball on the computer
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Ducks Starting Line Up
Loyd
Joseph
Singler
Woods
Sim
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Joseph with the steal and dish to EJ for the layup.
5-2 Ducks early. OSN needs to get their score/clock graphic on the screen pronto.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
EJ has some nice feathered hair
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
also appears that Joseph Sim and Loyd all got haircuts (no, I swear I'm not a girl).
Ej with 7 early points, 9-2 ducks.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
I need a word with Ashalou
comes in the game, gives up an easy dunk, then turns the ball over.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
He obviously listened
powerful and-1
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
HAHAAA Uw
This is going to be fun watching you get run over
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
What thread are you in?
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
this one, which one are you in?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Both?
If we can talk Uw’s ass kicking in here too, awesome!
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
You have to be careful because ATQ has so many rules, you know.
You’re probably right though, if others are talking Uw ass kicking in the QF might as well keep it there.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Any streams?
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 29, 2011 6:22 PM PST reply actions
Not that I've been able to find, sorry.
you can watch Uw-OSU via firstrowsports if you want.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
I’ll pass.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 29, 2011 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
Who turned on the Ashalou tonight?
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
by axemen23 on Dec 29, 2011 6:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Olu you didn't.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Dec 29, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
21-9 Oregon 11:00 left in the first half
shooting an insane clip right now and rebounding really well.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Christ what a pass from Kingma!
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Seriously, did we just activate the Louisiana Tech Olu??
Was the OOC guy his evil twin?
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Dear New-Olu Ashalou:
I appreciate the awesome physicality tonight. But PLEASE MAKE YOUR FREE THROWS. YOU’RE 2 FOR 6 TONIGHT.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
WSU gamecast works.
Also, free online radio feed if you don’t mind the pro-WSU Bud Nameck: http://mynorthwest.com/streams/streampop_ktth.php
CougCenter In Reid We Trust, Twitter!
by Craig Powers on Dec 29, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Actually a good stream so far. Don't mind the bias at all, good play by play.
But you are all the smartest, funniest, most handsome bitches on all the internets.~DaisyDuck 11.2.11
by Quack Addict on Dec 29, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Woods picks up his 2nd foul with 8:01 in the 2nd half
no indication that Nared is dressed tonight. 30-21 ducks
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
I'll keep the play-by-playish stuff coming if people want it
not going to clog the thread if not wanted though
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Though, holy shit Ashalou just posterized the WSU defender!
for his 3rd and-1 of the night!
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Moore is killing it tonight
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
*Lacy
CougCenter In Reid We Trust, Twitter!
by Craig Powers on Dec 29, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
Moore switched to #1 this year.
CougCenter In Reid We Trust, Twitter!
by Craig Powers on Dec 29, 2011 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
oops you're right, my bad
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
And interesting to note
Ashalou’s hitch-tastic free throw motion has caused more lane violations than I’ve ever seen in an entire season from any team, and it’s just one guy! 3 tonight alone!
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Oregon has 20 points in the paint to WSU's 8
Ashalou has 17 points, 4:19 left in the 1st half.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
B2B three's for KINGMA! KINGMA!
47-33 Ducks 3:00 left in the half.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
He does a decent job too
He also runs the “Talking Ducks” show on Comcast which isn’t half bad.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
i dont have Comcast and im in Cali. Hopefully he can get it aired on the Regional Pac12 Channel when that gets going.
by Quacker Backer on Dec 29, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
Ashalou with his 3rd poster dunk of the night
he’s going to have a double double at halftime.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Dude, we're in shock.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Figured you needed something to lift your spirits.
I can only assume going to the Rose Bowl is depressing.
CougCenter In Reid We Trust, Twitter!
by Craig Powers on Dec 29, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
A Duck win and a Uw loss would make me very grateful
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
You have nooooo idea
KINGMA JUST HIT HIS 3RD 3 OF THE HALF
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
This has been the best half I've seen from the ducks in years.
No complaints. Zero. Nada.
Dave has to be beside himself.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Stats from the half:
Ducks are 20-28 from the field (71.4%)
7/11 from 3
7/11 from the line
12 assists to 7 turnovers
22 points in the paint
31 points off the bench
18 rebounds to WSU’s 12
Ashalou has 19 points and 6 boards at the half.
Kingma is 3/3 from 3 with 9 points and 2 assists
Singler and Joseph with 7.
Seriously, WTF?
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
See the stats above
I’ve never seen a better half of basketball.
FYI that shooting percentage is an all time Oregon record
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Keep the updates coming
The O-Zone video has lost connection. That whole thing is a piece of crap. Exciting half though!
Really?
On my computer it automatically switches to the Women’s game and when I click on the Men’s link, it says connection error by the play button.
sports overload today
between the blazers ducks and the whelps, i cant keep up. i forgot this game was on at 6, i look at the halftime school and think wtf is going on
EJ with a couple layups to start out the half
58-38 Oregon 2 mins in
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
EJ with the extra pass to Woods who converts and gets the and-1
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Apparently we've been watching the wrong team all year
I like this version better.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Our basketball team is turning into the Beavers of college basketball
Absolutely garbage in the OOC and early in the year and then turn it on in conference and beat teams we’re not supposed to. So frustrating.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Don't forget, the last couple years we've had a lot of moving people and new faces to get accustomed to playing with each other
When it clicks, you see it. And this team is much more talented than last year’s
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
WSU cuts it to 62-45
unforced error turnover, groan.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
the future of oregon basketball is bright.
i can’t wait for it to get here. this game is a great start.
Joseph with two great individual efforts to score
66-45
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Joseph strokes a 3
69-45
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
you know i really don't like jordan kent on a personal level
but he is good on tv
we were there at the same time
he just rubbed me the wrong way, i can’t really explain it. just sometimes you meet a person you dont click with. i didn’t click with that dude
We're 10 mins into the 2nd half
Ducks shooting 70.2% from the field, WSU 43%
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
78-60 with 6 mins to go.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
78-63, ducks getting complacent
timeout.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Halftime Fuskies on top 35-24
in the Alamo bowl. Comon baylor, find some defense ffs. 28 unanswered points by UW before Baylor ended the half with a FG.
But you are all the smartest, funniest, most handsome bitches on all the internets.~DaisyDuck 11.2.11
Ashalou gets the and-1 on the press break!
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Can't hit a goddamn FT though
23 points 9 boards for Olu
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Joseph hits a 3!
17 points for him, and nobody gives a damn cause of Olu
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
5:30 to go, ducks still shooting 71%
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
83-66 with 4:33 left.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Just running clock now
up 87-66
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Whose winning?
"I thought we were going to see an @ESPN highlight where (DT) was gonna rip the knee brace off...like Forrest Gump running down the field." Chip Kelly
Sweet tits.
"I thought we were going to see an @ESPN highlight where (DT) was gonna rip the knee brace off...like Forrest Gump running down the field." Chip Kelly
Reminds me of the 2009 double digit win @ Uw
but I don’t feel like this performance is too far over this team’s head.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Final Score from Seattle
Uw 95 OSU 80
Guess the under 120 was a bad bet
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Olu will finish the night with 23 points (19 in the first half) and 10 rebounds (7 in the first half)
Oregon’s first double double of the year. Could have had 40 and 15 if he’d played much in the 2nd half.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Lucenti checks in
the human victory cigar!
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Final Score 92-75
Team: 69% from the floor, +12 on the boards
Ashalou is the obvious POTG with 23 points 10 boards
Joseph 17 points 7 assists 4 boards
EJ 13 points 8 boards
Sim 12 points 2 assists
Kingma 9 points 3 assists
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
where is the guy who posts the guy clapping hands?
by Quacker Backer on Dec 29, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
do i need to take a particular computer class to learn to do things like that or should i just read the instructions on my iMovie or iPhoto?
by Quacker Backer on Dec 29, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
You google it
google “clapping hands gif” for example.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
image link (like the url)...ends in .gif
Then click the picture of a tree and paste the image link
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
is it the tequila
or is this Baylor vs uw game oddly entertaining?
by nwalls on Dec 29, 2011 8:58 PM PST via Android app reply actions
going on eleventy to threeve now
Santa Claus' #1 fan
by Bill Musgrave on Dec 29, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
OH HAI GUYS IM ON A TRAIN SOMEWHERE IN BUMFUCK SOUTHERN OREGON
Did I miss anything?
I’d scroll back but this Amtrak wifi sucks.
The "Beano Cook" of ATQ
the alamo bowl has produced a combined 109 point with 10 minutes left (UW by 3)
by Quacker Backer on Dec 29, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
i’ve still yet to successfully post a picture onto a SBN site, even though axemen has provided totally adequate instructions
by Quacker Backer on Dec 29, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
we were on the daily quack fix open thread (not this basketball game open thread)
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Dec 29, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
fuskies turnit over on downs with 3.5 minutes left
Baylor 2nd and short, 2.5 left
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 29, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
You missed an all time Duck fun time -- huskies derp it to historic proportions and a great game to the end
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Dec 29, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
And we blew the pants off of WSU (Ashalou with 23 and 10, Joseph w/ 17 and 8, shot 69% from the field)
and uber-happy fun times in San Antonio. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
SPINNY SPINNY WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
/faints
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
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