Quack Fix: Rose Bowl will be a battle of contrasting styles, Ducks want a ring
by jtlight on Dec 5, 2011 7:25 AM PST
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PrintWell, the regular season is over. *sadface* But at least we have one more game to watch, in the Granddaddy of them all. Here's your quack:
- Rob Moseley's piece this morning is on the contrasting styles of Oregon and Wisconsin. Be ready for this storyline to be mentioned A LOT. It'll be the next 6'8". Wisconsin is slow and big. Oregon is small and fast. We've heard this before. But this isn't entirely accurate. Wisconsin has great QB play and very good skill position players, while Oregon has a physicality, especially on defense.
- Oregon held their annual football awards dinner last night, and De'Anthony Thomas and David Paulson shared the headlining award, and were named co-MVP of the team. LaMichael James won the award for "impact player," and Hronnis Grassu won the award for the top newcomer for his outstanding play at center. Many others were recognized, Rob Moseley has the full list.
- Oregon has won three straight outright conference titles. But they are still missing that victory in a bowl game. Aaron Fentress had a piece on the Ducks' urgency to get that victory on Saturday, and Rob Moseley had one yesterday. Oregon opened as 4.5-point favorites over Wisconsin, so they have a great shot to get that victory, but it won't be easy against a very good Wisconsin team.
- Josh White from FishDuck has an early look at Wisconsin. The Ducks will have some areas they can exploit, but the Ducks have to force the Badgers into passing downs. Luckily, Wisconsin has not-very-good special teams, which means the Oregon defense will hopefully have a long field to work with.
- Switching things up, the Oregon women's basketball team rebounded from their first loss of the season with a 10-point victory over Portland. Amanda Johnson notched a double-double to help move the Ducks to 7-1.
Got anything else? Drop it below. GO DUCKS!
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RB Tickets to the General Public from UO go on sale at 7PM PT today
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
Will they actually go on sale? Usually season ticket holders snap them all up.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Goducks says
Season ticket holders and donors requests are due at 5pm today and GP sales start at 7pm today. I suspect they are confident that all request will be filled and will have some left over.
UO gets 30k tickets to this one
so I think there will be a general public sale. It won’t be like last year’s game – only 17k available for that one.
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Did any tickets get to general public two years ago? I seem to remember them selling out incredibly quickly.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I suspect there might be slightly less demand this time around after 2 BCS games in a row. I know we’re still debating on going after dropping a lot of $$ the last 2 years – I’ve got to decide by 5pm.
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You'll be there.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I know I can't justify the expense, I've already ruled it out.
my wife and I skipped a vacation this year to save up money and days for a big one in 2012, no way I can justify the $1,000+ that the RB trip would cost, especially after dropping $1,500 on the NCG a year ago.
This is me too
we are taking the whole fam on a big trip on June and are supposed to be saving money. My husband is firmly in the ‘no Rose Bowl this year’ camp. I am still waffling.
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I'll buy your tickets!
Living in LA, the Rose is the cheapest Ducks game i will see all year.
I’m not making a bold prediction, but we believe we can win every football game.----Chip Kelly
I quite possibly missed on this attempted humorous projection--in several ways.
ARE YOU FROM THE FUTURE???
freaky
Sorry for being myself again…..and that is freaky!!
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
If you are from the future, wouldn't you have already known this exchange would happen, and not miss anything?
What are you hiding from us future man?
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by Bill Musgrave on Dec 5, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
I am not 'from' the future, Billy. I AM the future and you know what I'm hiding, almost.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Not actually famous today, but he will be someday, and he knows it.
How will we know how to recognize you, famous?
Euler's #1 fan
by Bill Musgrave on Dec 5, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
He's a duck
like, as in a real duck. His name doesn’t actually reference the university of Oregon. Shouldn’t be too hard to spot him walking down the red carpet, methinks.
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
by Duckfanatic10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Does he happen to work for Aflac?
"You could almost imagine Ducks coach Chip Kelly walking to midfield among the bloodied Bruins and shouting in his best gladiator voice, 'Are you not entertained?'" - Ted Miller
Ask him.
If he answers every question with the same word, you’ll have your answer.
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
by Duckfanatic10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
win_the_day's Chip Kelly Dr. Pepper video
got a richly deserved front-paging over at EDSBS.
Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall
Paul Myerberg over at Pre-Snap Read
has a depressing look at the various injustices of the bowl selection this year.
Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall
I have a really hard time caring about bow “injustices” that aren’t about the top two teams. Bowl selection is and always has been a joke.
Also, January 2nd is going to have some great games.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I still think its BS
that Va Tech gets to go to a BCS bowl despite having no quality wins and both losses coming by a combined 60 points or something. If I was a K-state fan I’d be pissed right now.
They have a Cave Troll!
That's fair
although I still feel bad for WKU, who actually did have a pretty kickass season and will be watching the postseason from home.
Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Dec 5, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Bowls aren't even a post season
they are a delayed exhibition games. Other than the NCG and whatever bowl Oregon is in I find them pretty much meaningless. Can anyone remember the victor or even participants of any non-BCS or Oregon bowls from more than a year ago? If you do remember, do you care?
Sure, it's just exhibition, but it's fun.
It’s fun for me to watch, and it’s (ostensibly) fun for the teams to participate in. I went to the Humanitarian Bowl (now the Famous Idaho Potatoes Bowl) two years ago, and it was Idaho v. Bowling Green. Idaho won by going for 2 with virtually no time on the clock and getting it, and it was awesome. I care, only because it was a fun memory.
Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Dec 5, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
I’m already tired of the Chip can’t win big games out of conference line, it’s not like we lost to bums after this years natty two of his losses could be to the 2 previous national champions
Offensive line
I think a few more years of getting better recruiting at offensive line will help Oregon a great deal in this regard. Frankly, if you’ve got a first round draft pick at d tackle playing out of his mind there’s not much you can do about that without having some serious talent on your o line as well. I’m looking forward to the next few years and seeing how folks develop but it seems like the level of physical talent in o-line recruits is really increasing dramatically.
by builds character on Dec 5, 2011 8:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah we had a good OL class last year in recruiting & if we get Armstead & he changes his mind & wants to play OL instead of DL he supposedly could be one of the best right away from what I’ve read but that also remains to be seen. I think our WRs will be better too with Blackmon, Sumler, & Kelley.
Also for some reason I find it funny looking at last years ratings on ESPN how most of the true freshman that have played were rated 79 or lower although Lyerla should of been rated higher & even though he’s the highest rated guy DAT should of been too he was rated 84
We're still on his list.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Tired of it too
but the bottom line is we’ve got to win on Jan. 2 to shut them up.
Losing 3 BCS bowls in a row is not a place we want to be.
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If we lose this RB
we cast a cloud over the whole PAC12. Assuming we are one of the top 2 teams in the PAC and we have that “can’t win a big game” rep that will further the PAC12 is soft argument.
Also, our OOC sched is so weak next year that we need to start really high in the polls to stop other teams from jumping us if we are thinking about the NCG again. Losing the RB will get us ranked # 9-12 in preseason, winning might have us # 3-5.
So, let’s control what we can and beat Wisconsin on Jan 2nd!
Really it just stays over Oregon
Media has already decided USC is the best team in the country outside of the SEC. They don’t need help from anyone to get respect.
Ducks on the other hand- if we lose a 3rd one of these in a row- and LSU really was like a bowl game- so really it’d be 4 in a row on a huge stage. Needs to stop here- or we will hear A LOT about it next year.
If a "can't win the big one" Oregon
beats USC it makes USC look bad, drops them further in the polls than they deserve, lessens our SOS and the quality of the win etc. You’re right about LSU, that was equal to a RB game, this will be Chip’s 4th big stage OOC game (plus maybe fBSU) all of which are we lost.
We don’t want to be the called the Chokelahoma of the PAC (and they at least won a BCS NC once)
we cast a cloud over the whole PAC12.
This is the line that really bugs me. More so, when people say that Oregon is embarrassing the conference by losing Bowl Games. If we’re the best in the conference, and we can’t win a big game, what does that say about all of the other teams in the conference?
It says they are bad
which it the problem. I don’t care about Uw or baver trolls, I care about having a conference that is both perceived as and in reality is strong. Overall OOC W-L is important, and the performance of the conf champion is most visible. Let’s get this monkey off our back and win the RB
It’s usually USC fans sayign that we’re embarrassing the conference, which is laughable seeing as they’re the ones who have had wins, championships and a heisman taken away.
I get the perception thing, but if you think your team can do better than the Ducks in the big games, then beat the Ducks in the regular season, otherwise, shutup.
The whole perception thing is massively overstated anyways. Ohio State “couldn’t win the big one” until they could. It’s just lazy storylines. I honestly don’t care what the perception is.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
The whole perception thing is massively overstated anyways. I honestly don’t care what the perception is.
tell that to OkState. If the SEC and Bama didn’t have the rep of being so strong OkState would be in the NCG. As it is, the conference with the best national perception has both NCG contenders.
And yes, tOSU had that rep as well until they won, so let’s win one.
If you’re talking about perception built in any season, that matters. Oregon’s perception that “it can’t win the big one” doesn’t matter, and all other multi-season perception is massively overstated.
Okie State didn’t get in because they lost to Iowa State, not because of what the SEC did 3 years ago.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Agreed. Oklahoma couldn't win the big one
till they played an unranked UConn. Then they were preseason #1! We all can’t be that fortunate for victories.
by INducktrination on Dec 5, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Again, could care less about other PAC trolls
the PAC has the opportunity to become a strong contender to the SEC with the influx of cash and good coaches, we need to put some big wins on the table to help further that goal. You see what the SEC reaps by having the national impression they do; two teams in the BCS NCG. National impression is a big deal
The SEC reaps the benefits of having the two best teams in the country.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Allegedly.
I don’t particularly mind either way, but the true is, we don’t have anywhere near enough evidence to say that, with how insulated the performance of teams within each conference are.
We all know how well the transitive property doesn’t work in football, and we also have seen how much a team can improve within a season (ie. USC this year).
I mean, there are a number of computer rankings that place the Big 12 at the top of heap in terms of strength, and OSU won the Big 12.
This is all to say, it is very possible that Alabama beats Oklahoma State on a neutral field, but we don’t know. What we do know is…they got the chance to beat LSU AT HOME and failed to do so. Maybe they beat LSU 6 out of 10 times at home, but they had the chance and they failed to do it.
I feel like there should be a “only conference champions are eligible for the BCS NCG” if only because winning your conference is about the only concrete, non-pollster affected part of college football.
In my opinion it’s not about whether or not Alabama is the second best team in college football, it’s about the fact that they were not the best team in their own division.
I don't mean to impose...
Well, kinda
LSU has a lot of transitory property goodness – more than almost anyone in the system. They played and beat the Pac-12 champion and the Big East champion on the road. Between that and who they played in their division (two teams with 10+ wins) AND beating Georgia better than Boise State beat Georgia I think that it’s clear they’ve established their bona fides.
Alabama benefits from a huge MoV and the fact that they played LSU. Since we saw how well LSU did against all these other conferences it’s not that hard to project how well Alabama would do. And then we saw how they played Penn State, which isn’t insane but at least gives us some notion of the Big-10.
If anything, the reason we’re having this debate isn’t because of insular SEC – it’s because of the super-insular Big-12. They only have 3 OOC games and those OOC games are, well, crap.Arizona, Tulsa and Louisiana Lafayette are for OKST. Tulsa, Florida State and Ball State are OK’s. Rice, BYU and UCLA are Texas. Eastern Kentucky, Kent State and Miami are Kansas State’s.
There’s just nothing to hang your hat on there. And no real way to say ‘okay, but they beat UCLA so awesome!’ that you can for the SEC or Pac-12 or even the Big 10 or ACC.
And no real way to say ‘okay, but they beat UCLA so awesome!’
But UCLA was the Pac-12 South champs!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
First, I have no issues with LSU. A sportswriter (maybe Stewart Mandel?) called their regular season run the most impressive of any team in the BCS era, which I have no problem with.
The problem here lies in your transitory goodness argument. Alabama losing to LSU in overtime at home does not mean they are better than every team LSU beat by a greater amount. If that were the case, we could say that Arizona State is obviously better than the Ducks, because they beat USC.
The Big 12’s schedule, and specifically that of OSU is no more insular than Alabama’s (Kent State, Georgia Southern, North Texas, and an average Penn State). I might give you that Penn State is a better football team than Arizona, but neither AD knew that when those games were scheduled.
I guess my argument, as discussed above, is that conference championships are the only thing decided on the field in college football. They should carry a certain amount of weight, until the point where we can invite more than two teams and do something rational.
I don't mean to impose...
by TheOcean on Dec 5, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
That's a damn fine comment in my estimation, one which should go green...I did my part.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Yea
well tOSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Oklahoma St, Texas, BYU, Hawaii, Houston, San Diego St. and Sacramento St. all had a good say in how bad the Pac is this year. Not to mention some less than impressive wins over Eastern Washington, Minnesota and others.
The other teams can laugh all they want about us embarrassing them in the big game. They would love to trade places and be the team that lost in the big game than the pathetic level their team has sunk to. Except Stanfurd.
by INducktrination on Dec 5, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Is this where we panic?
I’ve been in full blown panic mode since Friday or saturday. I’m not sure why, but PANIC. Maybe it’s the combination of a dominant back and a great dual threat QB who doesn’t get rattled much. I’m less impressed with wisconsn’s defense but the panic in me says that just means they’re going to be tired of hearing abou how the matchup is for the offenses and they’ll step up their game and play really well.
by builds character on Dec 5, 2011 8:03 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Why Panic?
Okay, let’s look at the teams that have beaten Oregon in the last 3 years. There are a total of 6 teams, so it’s not exactly a long list.
Boise State: feared for their offense, Oregon held them to their lowest total of the year. Oregon lost because our front line couldn’t beat theirs.
Ohio State: stauch defense and a great line forced Oregon to be one-dimensional and caused Masoli to have to throw, and he sucked at it. Their offense did well but was not insane.
Stanford: Stanford outmuscled us at the attack and our offense started slow. Of the 6 games we lost this was one of the two where it was their offense that hurt us most.
Auburn: despite being known for their amazing offense Oregon made them score less than they did all year – including games against Alabama. Oregon didn’t do well for the same reason they didn’t against Boise and Ohio State; the run game was shackled. And even then, it was a field goal as time expired that lost the game.
LSU: Basically, see auburn, but remove some of the running pains and add turnover pains against a very opportunistic defense, and combine it with getting our butts kicked on sspecial teams.
USC: two amazing receivers and a great QB. That’s a weakness of the Ducks. Second offensive team that caused us problems.
So basically of the 6 losses, 4 have primarily been because our offense didn’t match up well against their defense. Of the two others one was because of a historically great passing game featuring two NFL-caliber receivers. The last one – Stanford – was mostly because they out-muscled us.
So no, don’t panic. Wisconsin does not have a passing attack as good as USC or even Stanford. They have a good running game that is physical but that is not the way to beat the Ducks, despite what the media pundits hype on and on about. Wisconsin’s defense is significantly worse than many Oregon has faced this year, especially at the run, and the biggest issue is that they’re slow.
Montee Ball is a physical back, but not in the same vein as what we had with John Clay
He lost 20 lbs over the offseason to get down to 210, he’s a phyiscal back, but he has added more speed to his game. He has great lateral movement, I think that is really what he excels at.
Doesn't seem like a more dynamic offense then Stanfords
Certainly not the same strenghts at WR that USC brought to the table that gave us fits.
For the most part- Oregon has been pretty darn good stopping the run. I don’t expect us to dominate on D- or shutdown Wisconsin… But don’t see why we shouldn’t hope to slow them down significantly.
Our special teams woes dont really extend to our Return game
Its the coverage that we suck at. So I wouldnt be so sure about your defense having a long field the entire game. But do expect to start drives no further than the 30. I expect to see a lot of high short kicks on kickoffs to make up for that fact.
I appreciate you posting
Wisconsin is a very good team. It’s going to be a very interesting match up.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Dec 5, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for stopping by! I'm looking forward to many great conversations with Badger fans over the next month.
In terms of net punting, Oregon is 2nd in the country, while Wisconsin is in the 60s. So that’s a significant advantage to Oregon. Yes, Wisconsin has a better punting return game, but with the strength of Oregon’s punter at not allowing returns, I don’t think that’ll be be any advantage for Wisconsin.
For kickoff returns, Oregon is 11th in the country, Wisconsin is 67th. In kickoff return coverage, Oregon is 25th, Wisconsin is 81st.
What this all adds up to is a significant field position advantage for Oregon. And honestly, the Ducks will need it. They were able to keep Stanford to relatively poor field position in that game, and the Ducks needed that, because they are susceptible at times to the power run game. But they create enough negative plays that on long drives, they force opposing offenses into passing situations, where they do very well.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Somewhere down the line, we switched from having James White be the main Kick returner to Abbedaris
And the Kick Return game has looked much better. He is also right up there at the top on Punt Return Avg.
Until DAT fumbles it again -.-
That kid really needs to put on some upper body strength to hold on to that ball. If he did that… wow.
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excuses, excuses
If any of you guys see him walking around campus, or Eugene, knock that book, phone, lollipop etc. out of his hand. Make that kid run the gauntlet from now to Jan. 3. How many times did Quiz fumble? Once. That was no accident.
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I don't feel like taking a swipe at DAT the next time I see him would end well
he’s usually with an offensive lineman or two.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Our offensive linemen eh?
Just wear a Nick Fairley jersey and you should have no trouble beating them up.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
In DEFENSE of Panic
Yes, PANIC should rule the day! Our defense is, at time, critically woeful. I don’t know whether it’s the players or their positions (read: coaching) but, time after time, we fail to make the crucial stop in critical situations. How could an anemic UCLA offense score 31 points on us? The 85th ranked team in points scored 12 vs. AZ, 6 vs. Utes, 0 vs. SC. THAT powerhouse scored 31 on the Ducks. Oregon State, the 99th ranked team in scoring piled up 6 vs. Cal, 13 vs. Stanford, 8 vs. Utah and 21 vs. the Ducks. Why SHOULDN’T panic set in, given our defense?
Physicality? Got hits at times but THANK CHIP for the offense!
Oregon’s defense actually held UCLA to their second-lowest YPP on the season. I think you’ve overstating things rather significantly.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
And this with playing all kinds of people on defense. I don't know how many different roster players played but it was a bunch.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I am, for some reason
worried about our secondary. It feels that’s where we get burned… we usually face much larger receivers and it seems that our smaller corners have a hard time breaking up the passes.
For some reason with Cliff it felt like he had a presence of mind to run the routes with the receivers in a different way to look up and be one step a head of them rather than trying to swat the ball away as it is almost in the receivers hands…
Anyway, just Monday morning panic. I am sure its fine :)
ssshhh....
we usually face much larger receivers and it seems that our smaller corners have a hard time breaking up the passes.
Luckily, this just isn’t true. I did some work in excel based on the data at cfbstats.com, and Oregon is actually 4th in the country in passes defended per attempt. They are defending almost 15% of passes that opposing QBs attempt. FWIW, Alabama leads the country, defending 17.35% of opposing QB attempts.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Been very please overall with out DB play
Athletic kids who can go up and challenge for the football. Given their youth, I’m stoked at what the next few years will bring, particularly as we continue to recruit good safeties.
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It's true and not.
Against #1 receivers the Ducks have been poor all season. Cal, WSU, ASU, Arizona and (especially) USC all caused major issues. All of their receivers had great days against us.
Against secondary receivers we tend to do very well. But those primary ones really kill us.
Cliff wasn’t that much better at this mind you. He occasionally guessed wrong.
Yep.
One of the only games in which this wasnt the case was against LSU. With the exception of the TD against Mitchell, we locked down their receivers very well (granted, they only threw the ball about 20 times or so).
Juron Criner and co. gave our secondary fits. Marquess Wilson was all over Troy Hill. We shut down an injured Robert Woods, but Marquise Lee destroyed Troy Hill and Barkley put all of his passes on the money. Keenan Allen had a great night against our secondary.
As much as I tend to think that being able to run for at least 6 yards on every first down is the key to beating the Ducks (which I think Wisconsin may be able to do), opposing receiver play is vital as well.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
Against #1 receivers...
Just about every team has been poor this season. They are #1 for a reason. The receivers that you listed were great against just about everyone.
The only time I would say our secondary played poorly was against Arizona. Yes, USC torched us, but our defenders were almost always in position, USC just has two of the best receivers in the nation, Barkley was lights out, and we got very little pressure on him.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I don't think that's entirely accurate
USC’s receivers were not insane against Stanford, for instance. There are other examples; those receivers didn’t all have career days against other teams. Lee had his best day ever against us. So did Allen, IIRC. So did Wilson.
And ultimately it doesn’t matter if it’s because they have good receivers or great QBs; it only matters how we handle it. And we’ve not handled it well.
Wha?
USC vs. Stanford
Lee: 94 yards, 13.43 Avg, 1 TD
Woods: 89 yards, 9.89 Avg, 1 TD
That’s pretty freaking great.
Lee has been dominate against just about everyone. Woods too.
Keenan Allen: 10 rec, 197 yards, 1 TD.
That was against UW.
How we handle it. And we’ve not handled it well.
What makes us the exception? Why should some of the best receivers in the country not perform well against us? You’re not giving enough credit to them.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
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Oh come on
Lee got 90 more yards against us. Stanford handled him a lot better than we did.
I wasn’t right about Allen, but if we’re now saying that our defense is fine because we did better than Washington, something is wrong.
As to why receivers who are awesome shouldn’t do well against us – that’s not what I said. What i said was that good receivers do historically great against us. They have some of their best games ever. This has been a weakness of a Aliotti defense for a long, long time. DeSean Jackson’s another example back in the day.
My point is that we not only give up yards and TDs to those receivers we perform worse than other teams do against those receivers. Here’s some examples:
Marquess Wilson: 3rd most yards, most receptions vs. Ducks. Only SDSU and ASU did worse against him.
Keenan Allen: 9 receptions, 170 yards. Only Washington gave up more yards and only USC gave up more receptions.
Marqise Lee: 8 receptions, 187 yards. Only UCLA gave up more on either.
Juron Criner – 9 receptions, 96 yards. This was actually a good day for us; he had much better numbers against Northern Arizona, Arizona State and Lousiaina-Lafayette.
Gerell Robinson (ASU) 6 receptions, 120 yards. Only his 4th best of the year; we did better than UCLA, Washington State and Arizona.
I mentioned that big name receivers are a weakness for Oregon before the USC game and got poopooed about it then, too, and then Lee had a stupid night and accounted for almost half of USC’s yards.
And the reason why they have success against Oregon is because of what?
I’m actually interested in a detailed reason. No snark.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
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I believe Oregon's DB's have held up reasonable well
given the strong passing competition in this conference and their youth.
One factor that I think is manifesting itself more now is the “target on the back”. The Duck’s get everyone’s best game. No one looks past playing Oregon anymore. We are the game circled on every calendar….you beat Oregon and you’ve got your marquee win for the season.
These games bring out the best and can explain why one team can look average against average competition, but play much better against us.
My parents believed in me.
Okay
My guess? We run a lot of cover zones with only occasional man, and our safety often is primary on run support.
This means that a good receiver that can get into holes in zones or beat the zone coverage fast are going to get their yards. This is especially true if for whatever reason we can’t get good pressure on their QB – that’s how we tend to beat top receivers.
Now, this is often masked by us being ahead and cutting their running game out. When we do that our safeties can help on pass coverage and it becomes a lot harder. When we can’t do that for whatever reason it hurts – or we pick our poison and we either get run to death or passed on. That’s what happened in the USC game – we started doing cover 2 or cover 4 to get safety help on Lee and they started running for 6+ yards a carry. (early in the game we were in cover 1 and stopped the run basically cold).
The other issue is man coverage; we have had some gross man coverage snafus. Think about how turned around our corners have been from time to time, like in the ASU game. We don’t match up that well on single coverage, and that happens when our safeties for whatever reason don’t support.
I think that with Cliff we could simply man up on their best guy more often than not and largely eliminate him. I also think we were ahead more, and that helped some.
by kalon on Dec 5, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is a really good analysis
One thing you’re missing though is the improvement of Mitchell throughout the season, as well as the drop off of Gildon and Harris. Aliotti hasn’t changed his approach much no matter who is in the game. We’re going to try and take away the run first. We’ll sell out in cover 1 and bring either Pleasant or Boyett closer to the line to try and get teams into 2nd and 3rd and long situations.
With Gildon or Harris early in the year, we weren’t as vulnerable over the top. Mitchell and Hill weren’t as reliable. In the last couple of games, Mitchell has stepped up and is improving. But both are still very young.
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Because there is a pretty big gap between Mitchell and the other Frosh DB's
Without Gildon on the field the DB opposite of mitchell is the weak point of the defense
Marquess Wilson: his team lost to us
Keenan Allen: his team lost to us
Marqise Lee: his team beat us
Juron Criner – his team lost to us
Gerell Robinson (ASU) his team lost to us
That wasn't my point and you know it
It doesn’t matter, because I was talking about weaknesses in the Ducks defense. Yes, we won – but the four teams there had a combined record of what, 21 and 27? We should beat those teams anyway.
But hey, USC noticed. And we lost because they exploited that against us over and over again.
i understand that you see weaknesses in our secondary, but if win a game, I couldn’t care less how many yards the other team’s players have amassed.
And if you lose a game you don't care?
Because we lost a game because of this weakness, basically. And USC and great receivers? They’re going to be around for a while.
We didn’t lose to USC because of that weakness. It was a contributing factor, but I wouldn’t even say it was the most significant factor.
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Their top two receivers had 90% of the receving yards
That’s a pretty big factor. They also accounted for 15 first downs or TDs between the two of them. Also a very, very big factor.
What would you say is more significant than our inability to stop their receivers was in that game?
Their top two receivers had 90% of the receving yards
I don’t think this stat matters at all. What matters is how effective their overall passing attack was, which was pretty effective. But I think our inability to generate pressure on Barkley played a big role in that.
Also, our offensive inconsistency and inability to execute was quite important also. It was a shitty game in all aspects.
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It's not all that matters
Understanding why something happened is important too. Why did we do so much worse against Barkley compared to Luck? Well, because we couldn’t take away his first and second reads reliably. That means we couldn’t get pressure on him reliably. That means we can’t stop the pass without hurting our run game defense. Everything on our defense stems from that inability to take away those two reads.
We couldn’t get a lot of pressure on Barkley because his hot read was almost always open. He threw to his first read quite often. And that was because…we couldn’t cover those two guys.
I do agree that this combined with them having a very good plan to attack our offense meant bad times, but I think it’s important to know why our plan failed. And that failure stemmed almost entirely from those receivers making big play after big play.
The plan failed, and I don’t think there was any other decent option. USC is too talented to shut down entirely. We limited them significantly in the second half with adjustments, and then couldn’t stop them on the ground.
We needed either the CBs or the LBs/DEs to step up and make plays, and neither did. You can’t blame it on one group.
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Do you think we will run into this scenario with Wisconsin?
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I can't answer your question and I don't know if Nick Toon is a deep threat, but I do remember the announcers saying he was not one or their fastest receivers.
He does, however, have amazing hands.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Dec 5, 2011 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
What would you say is more significant than our inability to stop their receivers was in that game?
The ability of our receivers to stop themselves by dropping the ball?
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Only if the pass is right to them.
If the pass is nowhere near the receiver, you can be damn sure they will catch it every single time.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
Too bad Darron Thomas is so good he only throws balls right to the receivers.
/Start Brian Bennett because he is less accurate thus his passes will be caught?
I don't mean to impose...
I hate this type of debate, because it was a close game.
It’s only a couple of tiny things going a different way that makes this whole debate meaningless.
If we’re giving up 500 yards and 4 TDs and losing games by 2, 3, 4+ TDs, then I’ll say it’s a problem.
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Agreed
If we didn’t have our redzone turnovers, especially the LMJ fumble to end the 2nd half, we probably win. USC’s passing attack was great, but they were rushing for 6-7 yards seemingly on every first down too. A lot of things could have gone differently.
by INducktrination on Dec 5, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Seems to me
that USC’s WR’s are better than our DB’s.
That’s not to say that our DB’s aren’t good, because they are.
USC’s WR’s are better than most every DB in college football. If you give a QB like Barkley time to find them they will kill you every time. If you give up 6 or 7 yards rushing on 1st down, then they are just that much more lethal.
Overall we defended the pass really well all season, especially considering the number of plays we faced. We just got beat by a better executing USC team on that day.
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Their offense beat our defense. Our offense beat their defense.
They wanted it more?
by INducktrination on Dec 5, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Our offense didn't beat their defense
Their defense beat our offense when it mattered most. At the end of the game.
And yes, they played like they wanted it more.
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474 yards 5.8 ypp
4.4 per rush, 7.6 per pass attempt. 50%+ on 3rd down conversions. We were inconsistant, made some mistakes, but for 17 of the last 18 minutes we were unstoppable. We beat their defense, just not when it mattered most.
by INducktrination on Dec 5, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't that what I said above?
besides, the game is 60 minutes long. Can’t be unstoppable for 17 or 18 of them and get steamrolled for the other 42 or 43.
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Err..
I misread what you said, I’m sorry.
by INducktrination on Dec 5, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
You think that THIS is why we lost the USC game?
we lost a game because of this weakness, basically
Really? Are you sure that THIS is what you think? Where did you put all the other stuff the happened?
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Actually, this raised an interesting idea to me.
What does 2010 look like as far as great receivers?
Well, Robert Woods only had 7 catches and 59 yards.
Keenan Allen had 2 catches, 11 yards.
Criner had 3 catches, 109 yards but that was still significantly lower than his better games and about 60 of that came on that one catch that Cliff guessed wrong on.
Doug Baldwin got 3 catches for 33 yards.
Karstetter got 106 yards and had his best game against us.
Aguilar had 71 yards but nothing special.
Markus Wheaton had a great game in 2010 – his best all year.
So looking at a lot of those games we did shut things down. Maybe Cliff Harris was a lot more important than I gave him credit for.
Maybe Cliff Harris was a lot more important than I gave him credit for.
Our CB play has been good this year, but nowhere near last seasons, and a big part of that is that we don’t have Cliff Harris.
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When he’s been healthy, Gildon has been a very strong replacement for TJ3.
While Mitchell has been stepping up, he’s just not the cover corner that Harris was. There are simply few CBs that have the talent he did as a cover corner.
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I would say Mitchell is a lot closer to Cliff than you are giving him credit for.
For a true Frosh his cover skills are fairly close. The difference is that Cliff is an absolute ballhawk even if he isn’t actually on his man
He’s very good, and he’ll be a better all-around corner than Cliff was, but 2010 Cliff was a far superior cover corner.
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Mitchell has been pretty good at 'hawking' this year.
See one-handed pick vs. UCLA and strip/return vs. OSU (or was that USC?)…
He as much better size than Cliff too, and will be the better player in the long run I believe. Much better pro prospect, IMO.
Not really sure comparing our defense to UW helps your argument
And USC’s WR’s just massacred us compared to Stanford no matter how you try to present it. I understand what you are trying to say, but these stats really don’t help
My real point is that they’ve done about as well against us as they have anyone. Maybe they’ve done better against us, but to say they’ve had their best games against us is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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It's really not
The receivers I named all had their best, second best or third best games of the season against us. And the only teams they did better against had even worse defenses than we do.
It’s a good data point. Again, comparing us to Washington’s D is not a good sign.
Lee had his best day ever against us. So did Allen, IIRC. So did Wilson.
Lee is the only receiver that had his best game against us, at least until he faced UCLA the next week. Wilson had a career high in receptions, though he wasn’t very explosive. Allen had better games the week before, and the week after.
On top of that, does it really matter if a single receiver has a huge game against us if the passing attack largely can’t do much? Allen had a big day, but he was targetted many, many times, and Maynard didn’t even complete half his passes.
At the end of the day, Oregon has one of the top receiving defenses in the country and the tops in the conference, despite having their top two corners be missing for most of the year. I tend to believe that a lot of this production (outside of the USC game) is a product of Oregon’s defensive gameplan. They have basically allowed top receivers to get their averages, and severely limited. That’s a pretty winning combo.
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Having Anthony Gildon back for the rose bowl will be huge.
Early in the season Terrance Mitchell was still developing as a starting CB but has blossomed as of late. With those two as starters and Ifo and Troll Hill as backups I think we will be fine in the secondary,
He played against Ucla
I’d think he’d be available for the Rose
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It matters because we don't always face Maynard
Sometimes we face teams that have a good QB instead. And when that happens we have a lot of trouble.
Maynard and Allen are symptomatic of a problem. I’m not saying that if we faced some horrible team that had Calvin Johnson we’d autolose because all they’d do is throw it to megatron. I’m saying that a significant, exploitable weakness for the Ducks is how the Ducks deal with truly good WRs. If you have other decent matchups and can do okay things but have that in your pocket – like USC did – it can hurt us quite a bit. It can be basically the main reason we lost.
Our gameplan against the pass has always been ‘let their receivers get something in exchange for pressure and turnovers’. That’s what we do. The weakness is when there is a receiver you can throw to without having significantly large openings and get receptions. When you can’t get pressure on the QB because they’re throwing long after 3 seconds and we can’t cover, that’s basically a losing proposition. That’s what we saw against USC and what we almost saw against a couple other teams this year (like WSU and ASU, two games that were a lot closer than they should have been).
Well, I think this is a great gameplan, and as Oregon has gotten better in the front 7, it has made things a lot easier on the corners and safeties.
Some receivers have had big days, but I honestly don’t think that matters nearly as much as how the defense as a whole performs. USC was successful offensively, and a large part of that was due to Lee and Woods, but just as big was the play of our front 7, which was lacking.
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USC was successful offensively
They averaged 36 ppg and scored 38 on us in a game where we had some injuries and USC played pretty much perfectly for a vast majority of the game. FWIW I agree with the argument you are making Jared. I could give a rip if one guy has a big game against us if the overall gameplan is working and we’re doing well overall. Thanks for providing the stat you came up with…that’s a really interesting stat, but it makes sense to me.
It seems like this whole discussion is similar to the DT discussion in that people have such high expectations now…when something bad happens (an incomplete pass, a first down surrendered) people go chicken little much faster than they used to. I’m surprised that people continue to look at the high level stats instead of stats adjusted for the number of plays we run. We could have LSU’s defense and we still wouldn’t ever lead the nation in scoring defense or total defense because we give the other team so many more possessions than other teams.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
It's nothing to do with yards, scoring or plays
It’s simply how effective they are on a per-play basis and how well they did against us.
And really, this year the notion that we have WAY more plays against us is simply wrong. Our pace is significantly down from last year and we don’t run 80+ plays much at all. We hit that 50 play mark well into the 3rd and 4th quarters.
This year the notion that we have WAY more plays against us is simply wrong
No, it’s really not. Come on man, do a basic stat lookup. Last year we had 963 plays run against us, this year we’ve had 1005, both in 13 games.
Offensively, you are correct, our pace is down. We’ve run 951 plays this year as opposed to 1024 last year.
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Can have something to do with the fact
that we didn’t force many turnovers early in the season…. :)
ssshhh....
Err..
40 plays against us compared to 75 plays for us between the two years is a difference of what, 10% more plays overall as a difference?
That’s a pretty big decline.
We also have a bit of odd swings; we have games like OSU where we get 100 plays and then we have games like Washington where we get what, 65?
Not to make excuses
but not much the D could do about the first 7 points since they weren’t on the field at the time.
Last TD was garbage time- so I’m not going to dwell on that.
The other 17 points were earned against the first team D. 3 of them- before half would not have happened with any other coach in America (I love you Chip)- but going for it on 4th down their and giving the other team a chance to get points was awfully ballsy.
So- really we are talking about 2 TD drives against the #1 D. Surround that with a lot of hard hits, consistent pressure on the QB, and a decent job forcing turnovers. It’s not a dominant defense- but it is damn effective in most games.
I think u need to give some credit to UCLA
Considering how crappy they have looked at various time this year, they really came out playing loose. Did our defense give its best showing, probably not, but give the Bruins some credit on offense.
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We were also missing our two starting DE's for much, if not all, of the 2nd half.
Plus, again, with that kind of lead, Allioti seemed much less aggressive. We didn’t blitz (if I recall correctly) as much as normal in the second half. That’s when our D is at it’s best. We were playing the score and there was no reason to risk giving up the big play.
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by Duckfanatic10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
"Critically woeful" is quite an overstatement.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
You’re discounting garbage time scores.
Both the UCLA and OSU games were over mid-way through the third.
by BarkeviousRingo on Dec 5, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
This is truer now than it has ever been under CK
For whatever reason, when the Ducks are up by an amount deemed insurmountable, they go into clock killing mode on offense and defense. And by defensive clock killing, they give up the underneath stuff and force the offense to go the entire length of the field, using clock the whole way.
Many of this years games could have been by much wider margins if CK wanted.
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I have a feeling that a lot of this was due to injuries. DT, LMJ, the lack of TE depth, plus all sorts of guys on the o-line nicked up. I think Kelly was trying to protect his guys from further injury more than anything.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I think those concepts go hand in hand.
Bottom line is I don’t think CK is very concerned about the final score, as long as the Ducks win.
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UCLA's 31 pts. had a lot more to do with Oregon's Offense and special teams.
UCLA got their first score from a pick-6. Another 3 pts. came from a field goal after we turned it over on downs at their 44, so our defense did a good job stopping them there. Their next score came after we let them get a 20 yard return, and added a facemask penalty resulting in their starting at the Oregon 43, sure we should have stopped them, but it was a short field, you can’t put that entirely on the defense. Their final score was in garbage time, late in the 4th qtr.
All-in-all our defense did a pretty decent job, they only allowed UCLA one sustained drive for a TD.
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It was decent but sloppy
3 offsides. a couple of personal fouls. Some complete blown coverages and meh tackling.
I was really hoping to see a complete game from everyone. The only game we’ve had like that this season was the Stanford game. Since then we’ve been really inconsistent on either side of the ball at times.
I thought a bigger deal was the penalties. 10 for 120 yards, IIRC. That’s simply unacceptable. You can’t take 15 yard penalties every possession. And I’d say you can’t afford more than one or two against a great team like Wisconsin. The dumb penalties have to stop.
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Absolutely
My head was spinning with all those penalties. Maybe we’ll catch a break in the Rose Bowl if we get a non-Pac 12 crew.
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Didn't think they were the wrong calls
There were several offsides the refs could have called but didn’t. For whatever reason Prince was getting us to jump all over. And the personal fouls were fair. As was the DPI.
We were sloppy and playing stupid.
True,
But I think the Pac-12 officials call more than others with several Pac-12 teams being among the most penalized. I just hope we get a “let them play” type of crew.
Then there’s the one they totally botched. If you only watched on TV you couldn’t see it, but the incomplete pass to Barner twas picked up by a Bruin defender who ran it to the endzone after the whistle. He was running back towards the huddle when the Ducks snapped the ball. He was 30 yards in the Duck backfield but no flag was thrown. They either had 12 men on the field on one dude waaaaay offsides.
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Then there’s the one they totally botched. If you only watched on TV you couldn’t see it, but the incomplete pass to Barner twas picked up by a Bruin defender who ran it to the endzone after the whistle. He was running back towards the huddle when the Ducks snapped the ball. He was 30 yards in the Duck backfield but no flag was thrown. They either had 12 men on the field on one dude waaaaay offsides.
Yeah… They actually had about 13-14 people on the field, they illegally substituted, and they had a guy way offside, and should of had defensive delay of game. No flags on any of them – and it all took place off camera. The side judge was focusing on spotting the ball and getting back along the line.
Also not shown was the punch thrown towards Dion Jordon on the play before he got penalized… And then on the play after. These ones happened right in front of me.
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several Pac-12 teams being among the most penalized
This is actually an interesting comment. Here are the PAC-12 penalty yards/game, with number indicating national ranking out of 120. Low numbers are good; high numbers mean you are Vontaze Burfict.
60. USC (yes, that’s right folks — Lane Kiffin has the most disciplined team in the league. You heard it here first.)
75. Utah
81. Stanford
99. UCLA
101 (T). Washington
101 (T). Washington State
108. Arizona
111. Oregon
114. Colorado
116. Oregon State
119. Cal
120. ASU
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by ProbablyMonty on Dec 5, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
That is incredible.
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The best part
is that ASU is a full 12.6 penalty yards per game worse than everyone else.
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I said the defense did a pretty decent job.
Not great, the larger point was making is that the 31 points wasn’t entirely on the defense. You’re right the penalties were a killer, and there were two big pass completion on totally blown coverage that stick out (the 30 yard completion to give them the FG at the end of the 2nd qtr., and the 36 yard pass at the start of the 3rd). etc.
There were a lot of good things too though, 8 passes defended, 4 turnovers (2 forced fumbles, 1 interception), 7 TFLs (4 of those sacks), and we held them to 4.75 YPP.
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As a Duck living in the midwest
I’ve seen the Badgers play a couple times this season, and yes, they’re offense is vibrant, particularly so for the Big 10, and they’re lines on both sides are LARGE. And both times watching them in person I never once thought ‘gee, I’m glad we’re not playing them this season’. While this game will be no shoo-in, I like our chances, especially in the second half against their D, which will bottle up the middle in the first half, but I have to think will be plenty gassed in the second. Their offense isn’t something we haven’t seen in various pieces from other PAC-12 teams, except for the size of their o-line.
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I’ts an bothersom tipo, two
I think Wisconsin is the top offense in the country. They are really, really good. USC has better receivers. Stanford may have a comparable rushing attack. But Wisconsin puts that all together. The Oregon defense is going to have it’s hands full.
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Their offense is very good, and obviously effective, but doesn’t feel special or particularly lethal. You’re right on many counts and make good comparisons, and our secondary WILL get burned, the question is how often. Who knows, say Russell Wilson has the career day T. Pryor finally did against us. But I wouldn’t be surprised if our offense outpaces their scoring once their D gets worn down. It’s a drill we obviously know, even if we don’t rely on it as much this season (and have learned about games larded with tv timeouts), but there’s probably more upside against a line that big that in no way is used to our pace, and they can’t get there in a month.
This will be a big challenge, but I thought USC looked better overall, so hopefully we learned something there. Further, Auburn and LSU (and I was at both games) struck me as far more physical and athletic than Wisconsin , and we stacked up pretty darn well, if not quite well enough. Then again, the UCLA game was an awkward one, so who knows.
In the last two Rose Bowls, Oregon and Wisconsin both lost because neither one was able to play its real game. Wisconsin will make us do things differently, but that tends to be more of a feature than a bug for us, so hopefully we can make it work this time. I think we have more opportunity to force them outside their game this time.
It’s a great matchup and could obviously go either way, but I feel better about this than Boise State, Ohio State, Auburn or LSU. Which doesn’t mean squat come game time.
Wilson doesn’t scare me like Pryor did. Wilson is a very good QB that will earn extra time, but he doesn’t have the strength or size that Pryor did. Oregon will need to work at containing Wilson, but they should be able to get some good pressure on him.
I think your initial statement is right on. This is a ruthlessly effective offense. But… they just don’t scare me.
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Agreed, what makes me nervous is Wilson’s ability and options to make things happen when the play breaks down, which is what Pryor did on so many third downs. That, and how much time UCLA spent in our backfield so quickly last week.
I don’t think Wilson will be throwing off our LBs and DEs like rag dolls, like Pryor was able to do, so I’ll take solace in that.
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How is it that Pryor hurt us worse than Newton?
/hasnightmareflashbacks
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by Duckfanatic10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Simply put
Our defensive plan was let’s see if Pryor can beat us on the pass. Period.
And he did. We concentrated entirely on taking away the run and figured that pryor would choke if he had to pass, and we failed. We also didn’t get a lot of pressure on him, which hurt.
Against Newton, for starters – we had a better defense. We also were a lot less wedded to taking away any one thing, but mostly we were okay with anyone other than Newton beating us. And…they did, kinda.
Even in retrospect,
that seems like the right strategy. We just didnt execute very well, and got repeatedly screwed by being beat on poorly thrown balls.
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I hope you are talking about the Rose Bowl
Our D did an awesome job in the Natty. We lost due to a shitty, shitty call and because we didn’t have the ball last.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Dec 5, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
The surprising thing about Newton
was during an ESPN thingy earlier this year around the draft where Jon Gruden would sit down with likely top draftees and break down film with them about what they did and didn’t do well. During Cam’s thing he was talking about the NCG and saying when he watched the film how close we were to shutting them down, which CN still sounded nervous about after the fact.
If only…
Really the Oregon D was awesome in the NCG
Newton should have been nervous. He didn’t run well, he didn’t pass great, he didn’t have time and he was harried. Our defense played him as well as anyone – Alabama, LSU, anyone.
We lost because their defense vs. our offense was just a bit better than our defense vs. theirs. That’s it. The difference between the two teams was very, very small.
What?
I thought we were dominated in that game!
by INducktrination on Dec 5, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Just like we can't win any big games
Or that we were utterly crushed against Ohio State. (and that came from Ohio State fans, who should really know what it feels like to be utterly crushed).
I personally think that what Wilson lacks in athletic talent,
he makes up for in efficiency and decision making. He wont be able to shrug off any of our defensive ends like Pryor did at will, but there is a much better chance that he wont have to scramble for 20 yards on every third down in the first place.
But then again, even against efficient QB’s like Foles and Luck, we have been able to force them into bad decisions and a lot of sacks.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
I dunno about that,
An offense that has no problem establishing the run scares me more than an offense that uses the passing game to set up the run. Wisconsin has been able to run on every team they have played except Ohio State.
Granted, Ok St showed they could run against a solid OU defense, which makes them very scary.
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Brandon Weeden is the 2nd most overrated QB, only behind Landry Jones.
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Blackmon is generally considered one of, if not the best WR in the country.
I’d say he is properly rated.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
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I know that, which by your thesis statement, you cad, makes him the Jerry Rice of CFB!
Yeah that’s right I used an !
For Oregon, King Kelly, and St Quack!
Love this line from the Solid Verbal
Discussing SEC style of play versus the more risk taking, innovating styles seen in the Pac-12 and Big-12:
While it’s true that few can match the cold efficiency of missionary in the SEC, they’re just as happy due west to have a good enough time with the rest of the Kama Sutra book.
My parents believed in me.
by flyduckfly on Dec 5, 2011 9:52 AM PST reply actions 7 recs
Yea!!!! Let's have a REAL good time. and a rec, sir.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
shave a real good timelet
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Solid Verbal, I really dig those guys
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
Crazy thought...
I was watching some Fishduck videos this weekend and like we all know Chip is introducing small chances to his spread offense and reads, blocking and all those things.
Do you guys ever think that Chip will introduce a Multiple offense scheme where he throws in some play action and pistols to confuse opponents?
ssshhh....
we already line up in the pistol occasionally … and almost all of our passing plays could be considered play action really
I really hope not. I hate the wildcat. HEY! WE’RE RUNNING THE BALL!
Defending maligned chants since 2009
The results of UCLA '07 poing to "no."
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Wildcat=we can't run the ball from traditional formations
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
I understand our passing plays could be considered play action
but it’s not a traditional drop back and hand off or roll out kind of scheme.
ssshhh....
We’ve had a few plays under center.
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Two fly sweeps and some victory formation? It’s quite a repertoire.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
We did more earlier in the season. Various Ace formation dives and play-action.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
I was really looking forward to the Ace formation this year...
but then Brandon Williams had to retire and White got injured. At the beginning of the year, it looked like Chip was really going to get creative with the depth and talent we had at TE. Oh well.
"Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do" -- John Wooden
by beginning of the year...
I mean Spring practice.
"Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do" -- John Wooden
I wonder for next year.
Probably shouldn’t count on White to ever make it back fully – hoping for the best! – but if he can, with him and French behind Lyerla, we’ll have more bodies, and great talent, though we’re down the experience of Paulson. White was looking pretty good in camp before he was injured.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
We have lined up behind the center a couple times
In a traditional I formation.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see more of this at some point in the future.
We’ve used Paulson in the wishbone as a fullback type blocker, but could you imaging DT handing it off to Paulson or Lyerla from that formation. That would be rad!
We've used Paulson, Lyerla, and Carson as fullbacks
which makes me wonder how bad Carson is injured…he wasn’t suited up the last two games.
My parents believed in me.
Rumor has it he is transferring!
No Facts or any links.
Just a rumor… Discuss!
*That I just started
ssshhh....
He's going to be nearer his grandma
who actually lives 2,000 miles away from where he’ll end up.
My parents believed in me.
He walked out of the locker room at halftime of the championship game
with a noticeable limp. He waited till pretty much everyone else was out before he tried to jog out but slowed up and kinda limp/hopped into the tunnel.
But you are all the smartest, funniest, most handsome bitches on all the internets.~DaisyDuck 11.2.11
A limp?
I thought it was a shoulder injury….they described it as a “stinger” on TV when they took him out.
A leg injury would be much worse…dang.
My parents believed in me.
That's what I'd heard
but he was limping. who knows if it’s related or not though, he might have just twisted his ankle in the shower or something for all I know.
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He was walking on his hands...with a limp.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
We’ve also used Tra Carson as sort of a fullback.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
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Doh!
You beat me to it.
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by Duckfanatic10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
We used Carson a bit in this role
early in the year, but seemed to stop when conference games started. Instead of a fullback, we just put 2 burners in backfield and send them in different directions and pull the OL. Does basically the same thing, only in a different way.
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by Duckfanatic10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I was just looking at the bowl schedule & noticed that the Rose Bowl & Fiesta are on the same day I wonder who will be the announcers if it isn’t Brent & Herbie
Courtesy of Ted Miller:
Offensive standout: James, the 2010 Doak Walker Award winner and Heisman Trophy finalist, is one of the best backs in the history of the Pac-8, Pac-10 and Pac-12. And, Huskies, USC and Beavers fans, to argue the point is to be stupid.
Consider:
* James, a junior, rushed for 219 yards on 25 carries against UCLA, giving him 1,646 on the season. He becomes the first player in conference history to rush for 1,500 or more yards three times in a career. First. In. History. That’s enough, by the way. But there’s more!
* James passed former USC back Marcus Allen (4,810 from 1978-81) for third on the Pac-12’s career rushing list with 4,923 yards.
* James tied USC’s LenDale White (2003-05) for second in conference history in career rushing touchdowns with 52. He also equaled White’s 342 career points, which is 10th in Pac-12 history.
If you want to argue, please, first insist the earth is flat. It’s a more intelligent position.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
I’m sure that the argument against James from others would be something along the lines of “ITS ONLY THE SYSTEM!!! SHUFELTS GRANDMOTHER COULD RUSH FOR AS MANY YARDS AS LMJ!!!”
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
To be fair, Shufelt’s grandmother is shifty as all get out, with serious DAT-esque speed.
I don't mean to impose...
OH YEAH!
Your Super Bowl Halftime Show:
Madonna and Cirque du Soleil
I hope it’s as good as the Black Eyed Peas last year!
Oh dear.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I ALMOST think Madonna would be better than the absolute atrocity that the Black Eyed Peas were.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
If the Falcons don’t make it to the Super Bowl does that free up Jacquizz to dance in the halftime show?
by JonathanPDX on Dec 5, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Funny about USC.
First, the pollsters were under-ranking them. Then after the Oregon win, the pollsters are over-ranking them.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 12:40 PM PST reply actions
I think they are fairly rated.
They have improved drastically over the season and took down us while only losing to stanford in triple overtime. The way they played at the end of the season, USC could take on any team in the country.
I think 9 is fair.
5 is too high.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Based on the way they were playing the second half of the season, I think they’re the best two loss team right now.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I think voters wanted a reason to get USC back into the top-5.
A single win did it. Who cares if they beat UCLA? It’s not hard to do.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
I would argue that beating almost any AQ conference team 50 – 0 is pretty hard to do. And as bad as UCLA was, they went 6 – 6. They beat one of the teams that beat USC.
I think that whatever reason the voters had for putting USC in the top 5, I find it hard to argue.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
With the way their defense and offense are playing right now...#5 ranking feels right.
They were playing a higher level than the Ducks to finish the season
It's just more complaining about "the system."
After banishing ‘SC to the bottom of the top-25 for most of the year, they end up top-5 and because of that they’ll get a nice position in next year’s polls whether Barkley returns or not.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
You get rewarded for Big wins
Beating Oregon at Autzen was one of best W’s for any team in the country this year
But they lost to Arizona State.
At any rate, being rewarded for “big wins” while ignoring “bad losses” is still part of the problem.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Teams get better over the course of the year
USC by far improved the most in the Pac-12 and possibly the country. I
There's not really a right answer
because there’s really no underlying cohesive criteria for the poll. Is it all about quality now? How much does the full resume matter? Many CFB proponents champion the “every game matters” motto, so should the polls not consider the whole body of work?
It’s hard to say what’s fair and what isn’t with this kind of ridiculously uneven subjective system. Can’t really pin down the criteria, can’t really pin down the purpose.
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by omb on Dec 5, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
It's not totally subjective
I mean there are computer formulas which we have 0 access to for the purpose of understanding who they tell us mathematically are the best two teams!
by INducktrination on Dec 5, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Wes Colley does – and he’s been proven to make mistakes (wrong scores, failed to input a game) but the rest I believe do not.
by INducktrination on Dec 5, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I think right now they’re playing really, really well. They played Oregon and Stanford to virtual ties. Any of those teams could beat any other, and all of them are great if not the greatest teams out there.
bye bye cliffy
Harris was dismissed from the program from a violation of team rules according to Oregon head coach Chip Kelly.
My parents believed in me.
Well at least that puts all the speculation to rest
Wish the kid the best and hope he turns things around
Personally,
I’m tired of wishing fuck ups the best.
I don’t wish him ill, but damnit, if you can’t realize a good situation when you’ve got one, then I don’t really care much.
What a waste.
My parents believed in me.
He is what...20 years old? And Cliff isn't a horrible person, he's just stupid.
His situation wasn’t due to any one event, it was a culmination of not being handle to responsibilities of being a student athlete.
His situation stems from highschool, straight onto college
scuffling with campus cops, 4 grand in unpaid tickets before he even got to Oregon.
Can’t give him a free pass because he’s young and personable. He flaunted the rules and it cost him.
In a world where so many people can’t catch a break, or have so few opportunities, I hate seeing someone stupidly piss theirs away.
My parents believed in me.
I don't care for seeing great potential wasted
but this still makes me really sad and regretful. I seriously loved me some Cliff Harris.
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by daisyduck on Dec 5, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Believe me,
I wish he’s made better choices.
But then I think to myself…isn’t that what I have to tell my 3 year old: “did you make a bad choice”?
Shouldn’t have to tell a 20 something the same thing as a 3 year old.
My parents believed in me.
He flouted the rules.
He didn’t flaunt them unless he did something ostentations or showy with them. Say, had them printed on a do-rag or jaunty scarf or thong. Which sounds like a Cliffy thing, doesn’t it?
The "Beano Cook" of ATQ
To Flaunt:
to parade or display oneself conspicuously, defiantly, or boldly.
Sounds like Cliff, no?
I rest my case.
My parents believed in me.
He flaunts himself, certainly.
But I’d say he’s more likely to use the rules as rolling paper and smoke them rather than flaunt them.
Got the shoes. Got the jersey. And finally, got football. Go Ducks.
(Good call, Daisy)
by lovemyducks81 on Dec 5, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree
There are plenty of talented kids who do the right thing, or fuck up and learn from it. I’ll wish them well. I’ll even wish the best for Cliff after he screws up once or maybe even twice. But he’s done everything wrong and then done it all wrong again, and I’m sure it’s gone deeper than the stuff we read about in the newspaper (or he wouldn’t be dismissed by Chip!)
I love seeing talented kids come to Eugene and put on the green / yellow / carbon / volt / steel / black / stormtrooper but all the talent in the world won’t help you if you can’t meet the expectations of your coach, university, and community. We all joke about Will Murphy and his dropped passes, but at least he wasn’t out risking the lives of others on I-5, or screwing his city over with unpaid tickets and fines, or messing up the year for his teammates and coaches by putting himself in a bad situation over and over again. I wish Will Murphy and his stonehands the very best.
On the flip side
This should at least put a bit of rest to the notion that Chip Kelly just lets whatever happen and doesn’t care as long as he gets results.
As long as you’re getting DUI’s and breaking into people’s houses while black-out drunk. Then you’re good to go.
I don’t think off the field problems had anything to do with Cliff’s dismissal. He’s never really been a good fit at Oregon. He’s just a guy that is in his own little world. How often did the coaching staff talk about conforming? He could never do that, for whatever reason.
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I still don't know what to think about the Alonso situation.
Chip certainly has been aggressive with punishments, and doesn’t give preference to star players. Hell, in the SEC Masoli, Cliff, and Blount would have sat a half, if that. But why did Kiko only miss one game this year? Odd.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that still bugs
I’m more bugged by the DUI not being auto-dismissal but that’s just something I wish people would take more seriously period. The odd breakin thing was just…odd, and i’m okay with that being a small offense for a first timer. For Alonso though, I feel like we’d be better off without that.
I think
alcohol abuse is treated as a medical/mental health issue. There’s not much treatment/counseling for being stupid.
My parents believed in me.
by flyduckfly on Dec 5, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree.
Even when Harris was getting a lot of playing time and making a lot of plays, the coaching staff seemed to constantly be dropping little quips about Cliff. I never really understood it, but I suppose it makes more sense in retrospect.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
I get the feeling that Cliff was doing his own thing a LOT on the field, but he was so talented that it was working. This isn’t based on anything factual other than taking the quotes from coaches and applying logic. Like I get the feeling his assignment on a play might be to stay in a certain zone, but he’d abandon that and potentially screw the entire scheme up…but then he’s get an INT off of it so what can you say? It’s like on the movie Major League – “Nice play, don’t ever fuckin’ do it again.” And then he’s getting all kinds of attention from the media and fans, keeps doing it, keeps getting the attention and making the plays, and listens/conforms even less.
The obvious problem is the defensive schemes are really dependent upon every player doing his assignment. How often do we see that with opposing defenses? I’m sure the coaches are trying to preach that over and over, but then Cliff makes some huge play breaking the coaches rules. That would be maddening as a coach. We saw Cliff get burned from time to time (I vividly remember him getting pwned against Arizona last year by I think Juron Criner for like a 70 yard TD) and every time I saw it I couldn’t help but think to myself, “I wonder if he was doing his own thing there instead of what the coaches are asking”. I got the feeling that is what they were talking about more than him saying the things they wanted and that kind of “conforming”.
Despite all of this though, I have looked at multiple mock drafts lately and he’s been listed as a 3rd or 4th round pick with a comment like, “With 1st round talent, [team X – often Cowboys or Bengals or Raiders] would be willing to take a risk that Cliff’s off-field challenges are worth it for 1st round CB talent”. We shall see I guess…
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
This seems like a pretty likely assessment.
It is a fun style of play to watch, but an absolute nightmare to coach.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
It was fun while it lasted, Cliff.
I hope he fixes whatever issues he may have. He’s a talented football player and a personable guy.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
That makes me sad.
He was a big part of our championship year. He was likely a big reason we went undefeated – at the very least against Cal. And he was a fun guy.
Keep smokin it all, Cliff.
I had a feeling...
That Chip was tired of dealing with this. I hate being right.
I hope he goes to D2 and re-builds his draft stock
some kids just don’t get it. He didn’t get it. Best of luck.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
He has a redshirt year as well as one more to play.
If he sticks with it he could transfer anywhere (except the Pac-12 if we don’t give him a waiver).
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
by omb on Dec 5, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
I can't imagine we wouldn't give him a waiver
We gave Masoli a waiver after all, and Kelly believes strongly that people have their opportunities and he’s not going to be the one to deny them just because it didn’t work out with him.
I didn't think Masoli got a waiver
but he transferred by obscure rules that he went to a graduate program that wasn’t offered at the UO?
by INducktrination on Dec 5, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
He’s on several mock drafts as being a 3rd rounder. If he can get to the combine and he’s stayed in shape at all he could be fine without having to play another year of college football.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Cliff?
I heard some NFL scout being interviewed who basically felt Cliff was a total risk who really hadn’t shown enough.
Something to the effect of “draft a 175 pound guy who can’t tackle? Not gonna happen.”
Seems a bit harsh, but if Cliff can’t perform in college, why would a team invest millions in him?
My parents believed in me.
I researched it last week as much as one can research it. I found multiple mock drafts updated as recently as just before Thanksgiving that ALL said he’s 3rd round with I think one saying 4th round. As far as the quote above, how does that person explain Cliff being a 1st round projection before this season started? Because he was. And his measurables haven’t changed.
Back away and take the emotion out of this. What do we know about what Cliff has done thus far? We know he got a ticket for going 118 mph on a highway in the middle of the night and only got a speeding ticket. And we know he got a ticket for driving without a seatbelt, driving on a suspended license, and driving without insurance (because he had no license, NOT because the car he was driving didn’t have insurance paid for). Everything else is speculation, but let’s even look at that….there have been insinuations that he had problems in class, and that he isn’t “conforming”. And that he probably smokes weed, but they’ve actually done little snippets in the past couple drafts where GMs are now finding out how much weed someone smokes because they’ve pretty much recognized that a majority of players are doing it and they just don’t really care anymore it seems.
Now imagine you are a general manager of a team and the 3rd round has come around. You are looking at a cornerback that is an excellent cover man and who is an excellent punt returner. This guy was projected as a 1st rounder and has slipped due to the above mentioned “incidents”. Now think about what you know about teams like the Raiders, Cowboys, Bengals, and more who are willing to risk these kinds of things. There’s no doubt Cliff has slipped in the draft, but I’m betting that there’s going to be a team who takes a chance after looking closely at what he’s actually been in trouble for. I have no problem with him being gone, but at the same time it’s not like he’s been out getting drunk acting a fool, getting in fights or breaking into houses or hurting people.
Like I said, I’ve seen multiple mock drafts that say this. This isn’t me speculating. I actually thought his stock would have fallen a lot more. But after I saw all those mock drafts and thought about it more objectively with my duck fan emotion removed, I realized that there probably will be a team willing to take the risk for a 1st round talent with a 3rd or 4th round pick.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
This one was updated on 12/1 – 3rd round
I think Jerry Jones would be willing to take a shot on Cliff Harris at this spot. Harris has off-the-field issues, but is a late first-round prospect otherwise. I think it’s worth the risk.
This one was updated on 11/27. – 3rd round
Not sure when this was updated – 2nd round
This one was updated 11/30 – 3rd round
Redskins need some speed and play making ability in the secondary. Redskins pass rush has been elite but the secondary has not taken advantage of this. Harris has been in trouble throughout his career but has ability to make up for it…or make teams ignore it for the time being.
This one was updated 11/21 – 3rd round
While the Eagles should be looking to shore up a horrible linebacker corps I know Andy Reid won’t pass up a first round talent like Harris whose stock has dropped dramatically due to off the field concerns.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Man, that's a big risk in my opinion.
If I were a GM I would be concerned that the guy couldn’t practice well enough to start on a college team to the point of being called out by his coaches and eventually dismissed.
I’m willing to bet NFL playbooks are thicker than Oregon’s and I would have serious reservations about his ability or willingness to do what is asked.
Not disagreeing with what you laid out there, but I just find it hard to believe from an investment point of view.
My parents believed in me.
ESPN Updated
ESPN still had him listed on the Big Board a few weeks ago (ie 1st round), but they’ve updated it. Now they have him listed as the #7 CB and #47 overall player (Insider Only I believe). That’s still projecting 3rd round and clearly updated because they talk about the 118mph deal on his player page. He’s given a 1 in both Cover Skills and Ball skills, a 2 in Instincts/Recognition, and a 4 in run support, with 1 being the best grade and 5 being the worst.
Cover Skills – 1 Needs some technical work but overall movement skills are very good and appears to be a pure man coverage CB. Loose in the hips and can make sudden 180 degree turn to run with WRs downfield. Possesses quick feet and is balanced when changing directions. Shows an explosive short-area burst out of breaks and has an extra gear to recover if caught in trail position.
Ball Skills – 1 "Above-average playmaker in this area. Does a great job of working to gain strong position when running with receivers downfield. Does a very good job of turning, locating and playing the ball. Times his leaps well and can climb the ladder to high point the football. Shows very good body control and natural hand to secure INT. Excellent return skills and looks to score after INT or as a punt returner. Lack of elite size and particularly strength in jump ball situations against bigger and more physical WRs is the only concern. "
Instincts/Recognition – 2 "Possesses a natural feel for the game and very good field awareness. Understands routes concepts and does a nice job of reading QBs drops. Anticipation and route recognition skills are above-average. Plays with confidence and an aggressive demeanor. However, can be overzealous and will gamble which can prove costly against effective double moves. "
On a more positive note, while looking up his information I stumbled across an Insider Only article from Mel Kiper on David Paulson and others, but titled Paulson Impresses.
Paulson had a day to remember in Oregon’s 49-21 win over Oregon State. As a junior, he proved to be a key cog in the passing game, providing the Ducks with a consistent vertical threat (17.4 yards-per-catch average). The coaches thought enough of Paulson to have voted him all-conference. After a quiet first half of the 2011 season, he has come on down the stretch.
Saturday, he hauled in a career-high eight catches for 105 yards and a touchdown. At 6-3¼ and 241 pounds, Paulson possesses very good athletic ability and hands. Both were on display against the Beavers. He also made a number of nice blocks. When projecting him to the pros, I think he would make a lot of sense for a team in the fourth- to fifth-round area.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Basically. Or more Cliffs with Paulson’s intangibles.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
If I were a GM I would be concerned that the guy couldn’t practice well enough to start on a college team to the point of being called out by his coaches and eventually dismissed.
Absolutely. And that’s why he’s slipped from the 1st to the 3rd or maybe later. After the 1st two rounds they don’t have guaranteed contracts, so they could draft him and cut him after camp and not have to pay him another penny. You know how these coaches are – they think they can straighten the guy out. At some point his cover ability is going to outweigh those risks to some coach. It seems to be just a matter of risk/reward calculation by the teams and which one caves first. If someone can straighten him out, he could be excellent.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly…and, while I’m fine with Cliff being gone after yet another transgression, he isn’t exactly shooting strip club bouncers. After knowing the crap NFL teams are willing to overlook for some WR who can’t catch because he’s fast, I imagine a team will be willing to give a guy who is a talented cover guy right now a chance.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 9:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, well what are you going to do.
Pretty much what we all expected from him eventually anyway, right? He was fun to watch, but not really collegiate material. I do wish him the best in life, and hope he can embarrass some people in the NFL.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Violation of team rules?
Hmm, must be something recent or it seems like Kelly would have kicked him off much sooner. Such a waste though. Kid has a ton of talent.
Wonder if he’ll declare for the draft or if he’ll try to play another year somewhere. And if he does declare, does a team take him considering he pretty much sat out most of this year?
He probably didn't complete
behavioral ladders to get reinstated. I’ll bet he had a deadline to get some things taken care of and it didn’t happen.
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It's finals week as well
He might not have passed some classes
Probably mailed his presents with Fedex
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
I hope LaMichael passes Ken Simonton on the Pac-12 career rushing list.
He’ll need to rush for 121 yards in the Rose Bowl to tie him with 5,044 yards.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 1:44 PM PST reply actions
He’s 1,322 yards away from Charles White’s record as of right now, so I’d say that it would be very likely.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
If LaMichael decides that it’s in his best interest to return to school, yes, it would be a neat thing to see.
In a way, however, I’d almost like to see him go to the NFL. He’s going to graduate from college, and personally, I think it would be a little silly for him to come back.
I’m certainly not intimate with his situation, but from an outsider’s perspective, I want him to do what is most beneficial for his future. I’d say going to the NFL would be better for him.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Totally agree
He should go to the NFL, but I would love to see that graphic with LMJ as the all time leader, not Charles White.
My parents believed in me.
Particularly for a running back, coming back rarely makes sense.
I could see him wanting to play for an NC again, win another conference title, having an excellent shot at winning the Heisman. But none of that is guaranteed, and the wear is a big deal particularly at RB. And he had the injuries this year – if he comes back and hurts a knee, that sets him way back. It’s like how James Rodgers injury helped push Quizz out the door early. If you have a shot at making money with football, and especially if you’re graduating so you’re basically “done” with college, coming back just to play another year of football for free isn’t the most logical choice.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
by omb on Dec 5, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, exactly. For selfish reasons, I’d love to see him return. I want him to make the choice that’s better for him, though.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
If LMJ played one more year, he could challenge Ron Dayne as GOAT (6,397 yds)
LMJ sits at 4923 yds now, depending on his performance in the RB, beating Dayne seems very doable. Although I think that would be foolish to chase glory and risk never getting paid.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
everybody's way ahead of me
just thought i’d hyperlink to george schroeder
/it’sontwitterthereforeitistrue
...So,
How many weeks until he transfers to an SEC school?
/just kidding, sort of.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
I hope he’s able to go to Fresno State, San Jose State, or maybe a smaller FCS school closer to home. Maybe he’d be better-suited to succeed in a smaller environment such as that.
I would hate to see someone with so much potential not have another opportunity in a different situation. I want to see him do well.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
AWKWARD!
Michael Jackson: A million dollars. You feel me? Holla!
by Babablockhead on Dec 5, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
And on that rainy night in Knoxville, this is when the floodgates truly opened.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
IS THAT JUSTIN HUNTER?
THE LONG JUMP CHAMPION!!!!
We only heard that roughly one thousand times in the televised broadcast of that game.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
Ouch stop it!
It hurts enough already. Why don’t you just post all of his punt return touchdowns while you are at it??
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Here maybe this will help
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Jake Heaps is transferring from BYU.
Washington, WSU, Cal, and USC are listed as possible destinations for him. Odd to see him leaving BYU.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 2:04 PM PST reply actions
Got to imagine Uw and USC would be off the list quickly.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
He lost his starting job to an average QB
I’m sure that USC is just absolutely dying to have him on the team.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
I’m not sure how it would play out with Halliday and Tuel, but I could see him fitting in Leach’s offense.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t he get benched midseason with no hope of regaining his starting position?
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Something like that. I haven’t been keeping up with BYU closely. I’m pretty sure Heaps was the #1 pro-style QB in the class of 2009, though, so surely he has the tools to be pretty good, anyway.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
He got benched against Oregon State. Ouch. That has got to really hurt.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
Ryan Katz and Heaps can be transfer-buddies!
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
They should transfer to the same school,
And then both get benched in favor of someone worse than Reggie Ball.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
UW was supposedly his other favorite during recruiting,
but the early PT appeal is now basically gone there.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
by omb on Dec 5, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
'bye, Cliff.
It’s been an interesting ride.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 2:09 PM PST reply actions
I vote we all flash-mob Moseley at the airport and block him from flying anywhere ever
DuckFootball Rob Moseley
Honestly … yep. RT @YouGotPaul You’re obviously on vacation again.
For those unaware of the meme, he’s been on vacation EVERY TIME something bad/negative has happened with the football program the last 3+ years.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
I shouldn't have laughed at this as hard as I did.
@KegsnEggs The North Alabama campus is only a 27-hour drive for Cliff Harris. I imagine he can make it in 22 hours.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 2:15 PM PST reply actions
Why USC continues to recruit effectively with sanctions
They have classes like Picking Up Chicks 101
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
I wonder if Reggie Bush will ever teach a similar seminar there
titled, “Picking Up Real Estate 101”
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
Not surprising
Oregon needs to win a couple of BCS Bowls (Or at least one….) to catch up.
Some kids look at schools for the cool factor and how cool you are is a direct line from how many bowls you win.
It is a fact. Look it up!
ssshhh....
Heisman Finalists
Luck-Richardson-Ball-Griffin-Matheiu
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Glad Honeybadger made it
He’s not going to win (though he should be competitive) but it’s good that he gets to go.
We get to face 3/5...
and I bet the 6th place candidate is Barkley.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
Not gonna lie, I’m glad Barkley didn’t get invited. That guy just gets under my skin with his smartass cocky comments. Did you see his tweets during the Pac 12 Championship Game? What a cocky bitch. You beat the Ducks once in 3 tries with supposedly more talent and have managed to be a 3-year starter at USC without winning a single Pac 10/12 Championship. Congratulations, brah.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, well
Because he’s not going to the Heisman now he might come back to college to go for it next year.
So you’ll get another year of his cockiness, except now they’ll have something to play for and it’ll be in LA.
So? We’ll be better next year too. Just because they beat us this year doesn’t mean they will next year too. We played horribly and missed a make-able FG as time expired. They played a really clean game before fumbling on that last drive. It’s not like they killed us, and it’s not like they’ll kill us next year. Bring it on.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'm saying that wishing for him to be disappointed isn't productive
And that Barkley, Woods and Lee just wrecked us. That’s bad.
Realistically would you say that the trojanss have a better or worse chance of beating us with Barkley at the helm?
With Barkley at the helm they obviously have a better chance of beating us. That’s ridiculous to dispute. I never said that so I’m not sure what you are talking about. I’m perfectly capable of not liking someone but admitting they are good. I hate Lebron James and Kobe Bryant but I respect their greatness. Same with Barkley. I didn’t say he’s not good. But they aren’t going to automatically beat us just because he comes back. Obviously they have a better chance of beating us with him. And sure they torched us. They played an outstanding game. Are you saying we played our best game and still lost? I think we played about a C, maybe C+ game overall and we still damn near won despite them playing probably an A- game.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Also, are you insinuating they had nothing to play for when they played us? Because I’d argue that was as motivated as you are going to get. That was their whole season – a win in that game was as close to a bowl game as they were going to get and solidified them as a top team. We were coming off basically locking up the Pac 12 North and came out predictably flat.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
No, I'm saying they had nothing to play us for
Going to a BCS bowl is not the same thing as bragging rights. Yes, Kiffen motivated them – but at the end of the day being able to say that they beat the Pac-12 champions isn’t nearly as special as wanting to win one so you can be the champions, period. I don’t see how this is remotely in doubt.
We didn’t need to win the USC game to go to a BCS bowl…and everyone knew that. We only had to beat USC or OSU. Which we did. I’m not saying we lost because of that, but they were pumped for that game and brought it. You can be afraid of USC and Barkley because they beat us by a FG in a game we didn’t play very well in. I just choose not to be. We should be just as good or better next year. Maybe they beat us, maybe they don’t. You can state your opinion as if it’s indisputable fact all you want – it doesn’t make it a fact.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
My opinion that they'll be more motivated to win next year?
Really?
Let’s see. On the line for next year is a potential BCS game, a potential NCG game, home field advantage for the championship game and a win against a big opponent. And if Barkley comes back, it’s a way to showcase a Heisman campaign.
A win this year gives made up bragging rights like being the Northwest Champions did.
You might be right and those two things are equally motivating to kids. That’s possible. I just don’t find that very likely.
If you think that, I believe you are very sorely mistaken.
The fact they had “PAC-12 South Champions” shirts printed up for the game and wore them proudly during the postgame festivities (which according to every media person involved was as loud and boisterous as it’s been in years) disproves your statement in detail.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Do you think that's as special as being the Pac-12 champions?
Do you think that got them up to play as much as going to the Rose bowl would have?
I guess I don’t. I know they made it a motivation thing. I know we came in flat and uninspired. At the same time, I know they whooped us and we were lucky to get back in it at all. I also know Woods was injured and not playing at full strength.
Beating Oregon at Autzen is going to be cause for a big celebration regardless, at least these days. It’s just like beating USC at USC would have been back in the day. At the same time, I don’t think that that’s as motivating as going to a bowl game.
Did they not look very, very motivated to you?
Did you not watch the postgame? Where they were celebrating? The T-Shirts? This was their one last chance to validate their season and gain momentum for next year. The Oregon game was as close to a bowl game as they were going to get, and knocking off the 2-time defending conference champions, ranked in the top-10, in their own house isn’t “special?”
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't say it wasn't special
I just don’t think that it’s more special than any of what I described.
It clearly was motivation for them. It clearly was a big deal – for them, for Kiffin, for the program. I just don’t think saying that they’ll be less motivated next year is particularly correct. I don’t think they had anything concrete to play for, either – nothing like what would be on the line next year. Do you?
You play for the biggest prize in front of you.
Comparing it to next year or last year is meaningless. Oregon was the carrot dangling in front of them, the only prize worth anything at that point. And who said they’ll be “less motivated” next year? That makes no sense. The point here is that you are understating their motivation THIS year.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Unlikely.
I don’t think he’ll be back.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Good to see RGIII in there.
Heck, it’s good to see it’s not all “best player on best team” types.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
I’m shocked Matheiu is there.
With that said, he deserves to win it and will probably be in 5th place.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
Further thoughts.
RGIII is the most valuable offensive player in the country. Baylor minus RG3 isn’t a bowl eligible team.
Ball is >> Richardson
Luck is the best offensive player on the “best” team.
I don’t think Richardson should even be to New York.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
by JShufelt on Dec 5, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That is really tough to say.
Especially since I’ve seen way more LMJ than Ball.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
Luck isn't the best player on the 'best' team.
Richardson is. Just like Ingram was when he won it.
This is ultimately the problem with Luck’s getting the Heisman. He doesn’t have any massive standout victories. He isn’t on the best team in the nation. He isn’t a stat compiler. ANd it’s hard to say how good or bad Stanford would do without him (unlike RG3).
He’s probably the best QB in the nation ,but that doesn’t make him the most valuable player.
I think there are two camps
Pro-Luck and Anti Luck. The anti Luck will split their votes between RG3, Ball and Honey Badger. Luck win handily.
I don’t think that’s the case at all. After Luck had a terrible game against Oregon, in the biggest game in school history, I think that was pretty much it for him. The Pro-Luck group is simply too small now.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
That's not what Shu was getting at.
I understand what he’s saying but it’s hard to elaborate. Luck is the best player overall, and Stanford is 11-1 and has the best player.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Okay
The normal criteria when you say ‘best player on the best team’ simply is referring to looking at the best team in the nation, picking the best player ON THAT TEAM, and then saying ‘hey, Heisman’. This is why, for instance, Ingram beat Gerhart. Gerhart had better stats and a lot of success but it didn’t matter – Ingram was the best player on the best team. And a lot of times that’s all it takes.
So Luck isn’t that person. Richardson is.
He's saying "fuck the normal criteria."
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Of course you do that.
It just doesn’t matter.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Matheiu is actually the best player on the best team. But he’s on defense.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
It's inarguable that the LSU defense is responsible for where they are today, and the best unit in cf
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
Richardson plays for Alabama. Not the seemingly already crowned best team, LSU.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
I like how LMJ was effectively DQ'd from the award for missing time to injury.
And so he is not a finalist despite leading the country in rushing, and finishing with more yards than Richardson despite the injury.
Meanwhile, Matthieu was suspended mid-season for drug infractions and he’s a finalist.
I’m rooting for Griffin to win. He’s the most Dixon-like player since Dixon.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
by omb on Dec 5, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree with that he deserves to win. He is not nearly as valuable to his team as Andrew Luck or RG3.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Looking for the White Mamba (Chip Kelly) Hoodie or tee shirt
Saw one at the PAC-12 Championship game and I gotta have one for myself. Anybody know where I might order one. Thanks Go Ducks!
goducks.com?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
This might beat the "19th century sexist jokes" meme
edsbs edsbs
The person who person who got to SBNation today by searching “Tyrann Mathieu 13” dick?" Um, thanks? #SEOmagic
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
I perused a couple Wisconsin football forums...
not only do they believe we are tiny on the dline, but now we are not very athletic…
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
What is more alarming than the commment:
the poster was told this by Derek Loville.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
We're supposed to believe our coaches told Derek Loville they're shitscared about Wiscy?
And that Loville told a friend of a friend of a forum guy? Whatever. We already played Chris Polk and he’s the greatest athlete in world history.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
I found it funny.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
Meh, whatever.
Just like they’re not obese and slow, we’re not 45lb midgets.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Tell them this
The UCLA’s O-line is comparable (weight wise) to theirs, and then show them this:
(UCLA: 305, 319, 320, 329 318) (Wiscy: 320, 330, 320, 315, 330)
Well, technically, Dion wasn’t even blocked on that play.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Dec 5, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Fuck Gus Johnson
I just watched the replay of that hit and he was saying it was illegal and would be flagged in the NFL. Bullshit. That was a clean, hard hit…shoulder to chest.
My parents believed in me.
Seriously.
He really WAS annoying during this game. I’d probably still taking him over the announcer- bot at the game, though.
Got the shoes. Got the jersey. And finally, got football. Go Ducks.
(Good call, Daisy)
by lovemyducks81 on Dec 5, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
poop was hoping the 76ers would be able to get him to come off the bench
@ESPNSteinLine
Marc Stein
RT @jwquick: Sure by now you’ve heard bombshell dropped at Blazers presser: Brandon Roy will be in camp; McMillan will consider starting him
Butbutbut Clownzano GUARANTEED he would be gone before camp even starts!
And John Canzano is never wrong.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
OT: I guess there's a reason it's called "popular music."
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Dec 5, 2011 5:13 PM PST reply actions
No-one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
— H.L. Mencken
The "Beano Cook" of ATQ
by benzduck on Dec 5, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, of course sales numbers are going to be skewed to newer crap.
There are some 300m people in the US right now. How many were there when the Beatles came out, like 40m?
And what’s the point of even buying albums back then, if the beeswax cylinders that they came on would most likely melt before your covered wagon even made it back home from the general store?
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
by omb on Dec 5, 2011 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
That might be overstatiing it just a tad, although admittedly there is nothing can excuse #10.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
Fucking bullshit
So mad. Majority of the public buyers are just going to turn around and sell them for who knows how high. Gredy assholes. Meanwhile the real fan who had 4 computers logged on to try and get some tickets (me) can’t go cause they’ll be out of my price range now.
how much is your ticket and where is it, benz?
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
Don't know, they didn't tell me the seat.
Just took the money. I’ll find out when I get it I guess.
The "Beano Cook" of ATQ
Hmm, it didn't come with a promise to deposit US $1 Billion in your account via transfer from Tanzania, did it?
(Fingers crossed)
Euler's #1 fan
by Bill Musgrave on Dec 5, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Ha. That didnt work the last 3 times I took them up on it. Not falling for it again.
Wait. Did you say billion?
The "Beano Cook" of ATQ
Yes, Honorable Benzduck Esquire.
This communication comes to you from the consulate magnate assistant to the secretary general of Nigeria, who is in need of your assistance. Due to extenuating circumstances, he is in need of an agent in the United States to deposit his US $100 billion cashier’s check. In return for services, you are to keep two Rose Bowl tickets and %1 in your account and simply mail him the remaining $99 billion in a manilla envelope, by certified mail for security of course.
Euler's #1 fan
by Bill Musgrave on Dec 5, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
I will only be an agent if it can be a secret agent. I always wanted to be a secret agent man.
The "Beano Cook" of ATQ
To be fair, it is one step better than whiny coward asshole.
Euler's #1 fan
by Bill Musgrave on Dec 5, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
You called?
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
by Duckfanatic10 on Dec 5, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I'd like to purchase an argument.
Euler's #1 fan
by Bill Musgrave on Dec 5, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, we're all out on account of some BCS thingy.
Please try again later.
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
by Duckfanatic10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha not you
You’re actually gonna go. Just some other ppl I’ve already seen hawking their tickets for 300+
'MURRICA!!!
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
by omb on Dec 5, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
You sound like a graduate of the Axemen23's School for Gettin' Stuff.
¡Me gustan las tortugas!
And Cliff Harris was like, "VRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
by DuckUntilDeath on Dec 5, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Top of my class
But seriously though, I’m sure all of us feel this way. Ever since I watched the 01 Fiesta Bowl, It’s been a dream of mine to go to a Ducks BCS game. I’ve been foiled the past two years. :(
Genius plan:
Buy BCS National Title game tickets from the venue as soon as they go on sale next year. Like, before the season starts. If we don’t go, you sell them for a lot of money. We do go, you’re a happy panda. A friend of mine did that for the game last year and got the cheapest tickets of anyone I know. She was sitting with Oregon fans, too.
Got the shoes. Got the jersey. And finally, got football. Go Ducks.
(Good call, Daisy)
by lovemyducks81 on Dec 5, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
They changed up how they do it, I believe.
To get face value tickets, you need to pay a non-refundable fee so that, if your team makes the title game, you have the right to purchase face-value tickets. The amount of this fee varies per team. So, you’re essentially betting with BCS tickets.
The 2013 website is already up, though you can’t register yet.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
That may have been how she did it.
Still worked out pretty well for her, since she didn’t mention there being an exorbitant fee. Still might be something to check out, although I don’t think traveling to the Orange Bowl would be remotely budget-feasible. Guess I need to start playing the ol’ Oregon Lottery!
Got the shoes. Got the jersey. And finally, got football. Go Ducks.
(Good call, Daisy)
by lovemyducks81 on Dec 5, 2011 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Sigh... Robert Smith
So they asked Robert Smith who he voted for with his Heisman vote and why. He picked Richardson. Part off his reasoning was how he performed against his toughest competition. He had 89 yards rushing on 23 carries (3.8 yards per carry). I found it funny because that’s not what he said though…nope, he only mentioned his total offense that game because he had 80 yards receiving as well.
Meanwhile we all have been told over and over that LMJ only had 54 yards rushing on 18 carries (3 yards per carry, a whole 0.8 less than Richardson who supposedly had a great game at home). Nevermind that LMJ managed to score a touchdown… But people completely leave out LMJ’s 6 catches for 61 yards. I continue to be amazed at the double standard.
PS – I don’t have it in front of me, but i looked at Alabama’s schedule today and the defenses they played against. After LSU, the second highest ranked rush defense they played against was…Kent State or Vandy, i can’t recall for certain but i know those were the 2nd and 3rd highest ranked rush defenses after LSU, and they were like #30 and #40-something. People automatically give Alabama the tougher schedule label for playing in the SEC but they didn’t play hardly any good defenses. The average rush D they played against was around #59, while ours was an average of #50.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 8:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I couldn't watch ESPN at all yesterday during those shows. I just switched over to watching the Packers.
ESECPN has some good guys, but the overwhelming majority of the talking heads are utterly odious, pedantic, pompous self-absorbed ninnies. The greatest concentration of annoying suck anywhere in the sports world. Thank god Ted Miller, the Pac-12 blogger is a bright and humorous island over there. He’s all I read on ESPN on the website, and I do what I can to restrict all my watching of sports to the actual games themselves, as much as I can.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
Who wrote THAT?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I am man, I just can't let you walk around out there thinking people want to read this drivel, embarrassing yourself.
(Benz, I read all your stuff and it’s fantastic. Ok, back to the alternate universe).
I mean, bleep blorp bleep blorp, I’m benzduck, read these stats and this jibba jabba, bleep blorp.
Euler's #1 fan
by Bill Musgrave on Dec 5, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Good work, sir. I used to read FanPosts religiously until last year some time. There were simply too many people venting/whining and i decided to just avoid them. Then i have it another shot and the first one i read was the Fire ChipKelly one after the LSU game. I recently started looking here and there again but missed yours. Great work and thanks for the research…I could have saved myself some research time today if I had just read that!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 9:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I know what you mean re fan posts.
I would have just put this on benzduck.com but (1) it’s not pre-1994 and (b) I wanted someone to read it. Pathetic, huh?
The "Beano Cook" of ATQ
It’s kind of an extension of the current fan base huh? So many people came on in the last few years, and many of those who didn’t were post-Joey. You make an extremely valuable contribution to this community though. I’m sure your site will grow and grow…
by MarineCorpsDuck on Dec 5, 2011 9:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m sure your site will grow and grow…
that’s only because of the HRD Bonerpills
by echo31 on Dec 5, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just put up a fanpost... feel free to ignore it
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
My ignorance is underway.
Er, wait..
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Dec 5, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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