Quack Fix: Rumors of recruiting violations, Pilots down Ducks at PK, and DT to wear No. 5
by PaulSF on Mar 2, 2011 5:51 AM PST
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PrintApparently, there are a few major rumors swirling around the college football world today. Of course, that's nothing your Wednesday Morning Quack can't fix:
- After bad news broke yesterday regarding the departure of two Oregon offensive lineman from the team due to medical issues, rumor had it Oregon fans were in for another round of bad news, this time of the "major recruiting violations" variety. Fortunately, the rumor that these violations involved Oregon, the flames of which were aptly fanned by our good friend John Canzano, seem to be untrue. What we know, or at least what we think we know, is that a major news outlet is going to release an expose outing a top 10-12 program today. Here's to hoping that program is Texas, Ohio State, or Florida...or Oregon State, just for good measure.
- If you were looking for some sort of closure from today's much talked about SI piece, you're not gonna get it. The big piece that SI released today had nothing to do with recruiting violations, but looked at crime in college football. After last year's offseason, Oregon fans are familiar with that topic, but the Ducks are not even mentioned in the article.
- The Portland Pilots used a three-run seventh inning to upend the No. 15 Ducks, 5-3, at PK Park last night. The Ducks, now 4-4 on the year, return to action this Friday with a three-game road series with Long Beach State.
- If you purchased a No. 1 Darron Thomas national championship jersey (or received one as a gift during the holidays), consider it officially "vintage DT." Why? Because Thomas will be wearing No. 5 next season.
- The R-G's Bob Clark discusses whether or not Joevan Catron will be chosen by the Pac-10 coaches to the all-conference team. His coach, Dana Altman, sure seems to think so. And I can't say I disagree.
- ESPN.com's Ted Miller discusses the 5 biggest questions facing the Pac-12 heading into spring ball.
As always, leave any relevant links or comments below. GO DUCKS!
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Personally, I think it's gotta be Texas.
War Mallard.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 2, 2011 5:53 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Auburn?
Did Newton come clean at the combine?
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
Is it at all possible that it's going to be USC?
Case against: Ever since the Reggie Bush scandal, the USC athletic department has truly done a remarkable job of publicly walking on the correct side of the street. When one of their players accepted a ride from Agent Douchey McDudebro, they sat him out for a game and made him donate $5 to charity. When some of their players were discussing taking a trip to Vegas to hang out with some agents (or agent-like substances), the athletic department said no. They do appear to be attempting to put the Bush scandal era behind them.
Case for: Take everything above into account. Now take into account that Lane Kiffin is their coach, and that Ed Orgeron works for him. Those guys are really, really, really bad at their jobs. Is it implausible that they’ve done something, even under the watchful eye of a suddenly-hypervigilant athletic department? Even if you don’t buy that they’ve done anything new, it could be that the old has managed to follow them to their SoCal jobs. I could totally see the NCAA attempting to set some sort of weird new precedent by slamming them and those who have now hired them rather than by whacking the institution.
For the record, I still think it’s Texas, but for no reason in particular.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
At this point, I think the most possible outcome is that this is all bullshit.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on Mar 2, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
In terms of Oregon? Probably
In terms of not existing, prolly not, considering how much steam it’s gathered as a rumor from so many reputable-ish sources.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
In terms of everything, the most likely outcome it that it’s bullshit. Cowherd says one thing, because he’s a moron, and everyone jumps and runs wild with “rumor.” None of these rumors make any sense, and there is no cohesive thought. It’s pretty much everybody making up shit.
With how many people saying that SI was gonna take someone down today, and what that article ended up being, it’s clear that no one knows what they’re talking about, and the likely reason for that is that there is no story at all.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I'm not talking about just Cowherd
From what I’ve been looking at this morning, people seem convinced its Oregon. I’m not saying that these are 100% legit or anything like that, but I’m concerned that there’s something here. Speculation is that it surrounds the recruitment of Masoli and Blount by Bellotti
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Who is people? And see, now it sounds like you’re just making shit up.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I'm not making any shit up
I’m just relaying what speculation that I’ve looked at this morning has said.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Speculation=Bullshit
So you’re not making up the bullshit just passing it along.
by sacduxnutz on Mar 2, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
If it was from random ass twitter people, then I'd consider it bullshit
If it’s from people who WRITE about oregon, the pac 10, college football…..
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Whose job it is
to get people interested, so they can keep their jobs.
The news is entertainment not news anymore.
I write about Oregon, the Pac-10, and college football
and I maintain the major recruiting violations are going to destoy the Washington State football program.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
Well that's just mean of you
What would Cougfan say about you making this unlikely scenario completely true with your post?
Well that's just mean of you
What would Cougfan say about you making this unlikely scenario completely true with your post??
Hey look, Dave is "people"!!
You made it to the top big guy, congrats.
Take a doo doo pie. I love you.
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 2, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Rec'd.
95 percent of the god damn time these stupid webpage visit generating rumors are crap.
Oh, the recruitment of Masoli was crooked huh? We must have done something wrong because SO MANY schools were obviously recruiting the kid that competition must have been fierce.
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Whaat? Yesterday it was Wallace, Lache, (Texas pipeline) and Tajh Boyd, of all people. Now it’s JC transfers? I need a vacation. If only to spend some time on a plane where I don’t get internet access.
ehhhhhhh....
when the rumor-mongers came out and said “It’s not Oregon, it’s not Auburn”, then it does kinda sound like bullshit speculation as far as Masoli or Blount go. Plus, Kelly hasn’t been contacted, and they should’ve caught that shit ages ago.
Ducks haters gonna hate.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
TonyDiFrancisco Tony Di Francisco
Explanation- IF something is about to break against Oregon, those allegations would most likely start the investigation.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
That goes without saying.
“If a house is on fire, it will most likely burn down.”
Like I said, not saying there isn’t speculation, but all this sounds like is Duck haters goin’ right on hatin’.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
If you think this is picking a fight, you need to grow a thicker skin. When you say something I disagree with, I’m going to respond.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Don’t say things that Paragon has said if you don’t want to be compared to him.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
You took it as an insult. It really is a legitimate comparison when you are a rumormonger and take shelter with behind phrases like “I’m not saying it’s true” or “It may be nothing, but it sure is odd.”
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"
Here's the difference
Paragon took shit out of absolute thin air; stuff that had never been close to bantered about before.
I’m just looking at what writers who are more often than not legit sources (Like Tony Di Fransisco) have said, and then taking it with a grain of salt.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Dude, whatever you’ve seen, just link to it. If all you’re doing is passing along rumor from other places, that’s fine, I guess, but then just drop the links and be done with it.
All this defending you’re doing makes it seem like you do believe it, your proffered caveats aside.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Mar 2, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No. Paragon takes a quote or an article from someone else, and then expands on it with his own non-specifics or feeds from someone else.
He didn’t make up the DeAnthony Thomas stuff all by himself, you know.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"
Where the heck is the link for the Masoli, Blount source then?
Basically, you’re promoting Oregonlive forum material at this point, and this blog is WAY too good for that.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
axemen, what's up?
this ain’t the reasoned, enthusiastic poster I’m used to seeing. Too early for you?
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
Don’t go putting your comments on a writer like Tony. That is incorrect and lazy.
For that that haven’t seen it, here is a link to Tony’s twitter. There is no mention of Blount, Masoli, Bellotti, and is pretty much merely retweets of stuff that has been mentioned.
You are passing on totally unsubstantiated rumors, without links, and then hiding behind bullshit caveats. There are reasons to dismiss or read into these rumors, but you haven’t provided any of that. You’ve simply passed along rumors without any sourcing at all.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
You are picking a fight
Let me correct your statement for accuracy:
“When you say something I don’t like, I’m going to respond by throwing insults.”
Well, Paragon IS around #3
on the list of people on SBnation I wouldn’t want to be likened to. (Anyone on OBNUG and insane Bruins lady are #s 1 and 2)
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
Seems like you're ranking
CV3000 a little low there don’t you think?
Quack Quack Bitches!
by Quack Addict on Mar 2, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I've yet to make contact with any such user
are they deserving of a generous ranking?
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
Only the best poster
Baver Dam has ever seen. Too bad he was tragically died from a heart attack while watching his team get demolished by the Ducks shortly after he wrote his last post in 2008. They say that his heart just ripped itself out of his chest and jumped from the highest pile of garbage in Corvallis.
Quack Quack Bitches!
by Quack Addict on Mar 2, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
He was all over the OLive forums at the time as well.
Whoever was on the Beaver Beat at that time (Buker? IDK) even gave him a featured spot, and linked to the infamous We’re All Going To Laugh post.
My friend who’s a contributor on BtD knows who CV3000 is, says he’s still posting under a different handle, but apparently he’s been humbled a bit.
Moral: You don’t taunt the Weauxf Gods that blatantly without repercussion. Sometimes it’s delayed, sometimes it’s immediate, but it’s always a fierce beatdown when it happens.
Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.
Heaven have mercy.
He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.
Not saying you made any of this up or anything, I’ve been reading it as well. It’s just completely ridiculous at this point. I REALLY wish there was something else to talk about.
A good post from the NBC sports blog:
I have to say that it sounds as if the story is being hyped up. I’m not saying that it isn’t a big story, but it sounds as if details are being exaggerated for that "Don’t touch that dial!" effect.
Note the hyperbole in Cowherd’s speech:
"this should be very frightening if you’re a fan of college football"
This creates the it could be your school vibe.
"It is a top 10-12 program."
Why didn’t he just say it is a top 10 school? Why didn’t he say it is a top 12 school? It is because the ‘ranking’ he is judging this off of is probably not BCS rankings but rather a subjective personal opinion based ranking of traditional super powers.
There are some things we can safely assume.
1. This school was not necessarily ranked in the top 10 or even the top 15 last year or even the year before. They are a relevant force, though.
2. Since this is a news publication that will be doing the ‘outing’, not the NCAA, the school may not have any idea it is coming.
3. The news publications put together their stories with investigative journalism which mainly consists of interviews. Head coaches and athletic directors, obviously, are not going to sit down long enough to answer questions like, "Where were you January 27, 2004 at 3:45 pm?" The information came from interns, former players, staff, and former assistant coaches. Guys at or around this level probably saw this freight train coming from a mile away.
4. Unexpected. This team is not already under investigation or being punished. This team doesn’t seem like they would "need" to commit violations or the school seems morally incapable of committing violations.
All of which
points firmly towards Texas, once again.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
That does fit with the above rationale.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it was, but again we’re just guessing.
That was my thought
But they may want more teams fans to sweat so that the rumor is bigger and they get more pub from it.
Quack Quack Bitches!
Agreed
Like was said in the quote above, it seems like Cowherd is just saying it is someone he considers a top 10-12 program. He is not saying they finished in the top 10-12 of the BCS.
A non-USC Pac-10 school? Top 5?
pssssshhhhhhh
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
If he said top 5, and he said its not Auburn, then we'd be guessing among four schools...
… and what fun is that?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I thought I made a similar post, but it doesn’t appear to be here. I was saying having a 25% chance of being right is less exciting than having a 10%-8%.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"
I think we can increase the speculation here
What he said was top 10-12 program, I don’t think this necessarily means top 12 last season, but a team that is considered one of the top programs nation wide. This may also eliminate a couple programs, because they don’t typically reside in the top 10-12, cough Stanford and Nevada cough cough.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
It may eliminate a couple programs, but it adds about 10 more that can have a legitimate “claim to be a top 10-12 program”. Hell, Notre Dame can still take claim to that.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"
That's what I'm talking about
I just wasn’t saying it very clearly.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Notre Dame has been mediocre at best for the past Decade
The only thing they’re good at anymore is being holier than thou. Even the media has been becoming increasingly less interested in them. As the former ND players and alum in the media slowly die off, (we’re all waiting on you Lou…) the infatuation with the ugly sister that showed up at every party so you kinda get used to seeing her there and started to think you’d do that is wearing off. Especially when the party has now been opened up to everyone, not just the few rich kids.
In this example, the party is national media coverage and ND has become Paris Hilton. A quick viral video of, “focus your attention on me”, but now we’ve discovered the rest of the internet.
Quack Quack Bitches!
TCU?
Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog.
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 2, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
yeah probably
I think teams like fBSU, TCU, Oregon, Wisconsin etc. while they do have great teams, it is hard to call them a top 12 program based on a few years of data, or questionable competition, but as of the last few years all of these teams are top 12. Does that clear it up for you? Me neither.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Wisconsin has been consistently in the top 20.
Not top 10 or 15, though. Just because of disasters like 2001, 2002, and 2008 dragging down excellent years like 2006 and 2010.
Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog.
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 2, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
You see, right here is where you need to insert a link.
I know that everything you’re trying to say is, “it’s not coming from me” but since there is no link to others, and no one else around here is saying anything remotely similar, it’s probably in your best interest to provide an outside source.
Since you don’t, these thoughts and statements have to come back to bear on you. You have to own them because you’ve given no one reason to believe otherwise.
Matt Takimoto's Shake Weight
Addicted to Quack
basically saying the same thing I was, that while it could be rumor-mongering,
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
So number 2 and 3 basically say what we all know already
The only new info here is link 1 where they mention an associate of Chip’s from NH.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
You do realize that
all three of those links were posted AFTER you started this entire bullshit subthread. Right? Hard to use those to justify your reasoning when they hadn’t even been created yet,
Matt Takimoto's Shake Weight
Addicted to Quack
Wait when did this argument start?
the 2nd and 3rd were posted last night, that’s when I read them at least.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Sorry I've lost track of what date it is... nevermind my stupidness
Matt Takimoto's Shake Weight
Addicted to Quack
This string leads to a frayed hole in the space-time fabric.
Take a doo doo pie. I love you.
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 2, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
That wasn't constructive dialouge
You’d been asked to give a link two other times
Then link to it.
You keep saying “people”
Proof or STFU.
I was only trying to put it in plain terms the reason you were being called out as a fool and responded to the point in the conversation that was stemming from.
Matt Takimoto's Shake Weight
Addicted to Quack
Dude, without providing sources, you're acting like Paragon.
Matt Takimoto's Shake Weight
Addicted to Quack
by Matt Daddy on Mar 2, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Axemen,
thanks for giving a ridiculous topic too distract us all from the “he said, she said”
...GO DOUG...
by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Mar 2, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
ahem,
“to” not “too”…man I hate it when people make this mistake. Amateur Hour!
...GO DOUG...
by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Mar 2, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Could be.
“Hey, you know that major exposé I alluded to? Yeah, turns out it was just gas.”
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Mar 2, 2011 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
Matt Hinton calls SI’s piece on crime in college football ‘skewed.’
The article is long on anecdote – including the story of Pitt defensive end Jabaal Sheard, right, who was allowed to return to the team after allegedly throwing another man through a window last summer – and woefully short on context.
Hinton notes that SI does not compare numbers to the rest of the population. He pulls some of his own numbers, and notes that 3.5% of college students have a criminal record, while 7% of football players do according to SI.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
If Oregon gets hit with anything...
and Auburn comes away from all of the recruiting scandals i.e. Newton, Thibadeux, LA and Arkansas I will be pissed. Roll Tide & Go Ducks!
If there is a team that’s going down soon, it’s gonna be Auburn. That school is so damn corrupt, and already under NCAA investigation.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I don't really think Oregon is getting busted as this strikes me as typical Cowherd bullshit ...
… but I certainly wouldn’t be throwing stones. Home fans never see it coming. On this, I can speak from experience. I also don’t think we can fully assess the impact of Emmert running the NCAA. Does he have inside knowledge? Does he have an axe to grind?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Go away, with your… your words, and your reasoning! It can’t possibly be us! It can’t possibly be us!
But yeah, I agree. Fans always do fail to see this coming. That said, I’m fully willing to practice some cognitive dissonance here and still fail to see it coming. This is in part a defense mechanism, much as it is for all fans.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Mar 2, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
I think it's BS too
It wouldn’t suprise me if it turned out to be us (I’ve learned to accept the rampant corruption in college sports sports). On the other hand, I would think if we really were a dirty program, we would be getting a larger percentage of our targets rather than coming in second for so many of them.
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Linoleum Knife on Mar 2, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Touche
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
While we say stuff about Auburn, it isn't geared as much at the school
I like Auburn, I don’t think Auburn is at fault, but when you have a player who seemed to be oblivious to his father’s (best friend) attempt at getting paid for him to go to a university it seems unlikely that there wasn’t some sort of violation on the players part
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
I don’t like Auburn. They are historically as dirty as they come, and they are being investigated for more than just the Cam Newton situation.
It’s not speculation to say that they are the most likely school to be nailed, since they are one of the few that’s currently under investigation.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I was replying to posts such as -
“If there is a team that’s going down soon, it’s gonna be Auburn. That school is so damn corrupt, and already under NCAA investigation”
Newton has been cleared. Saying that the school is corrupt is hyperbole, rumor-mongering, and speculation.
And, I would argue, that the current investigation has turned up nothing even to warrant a letter or inquiry.
Saying Auburn is dirty is simply not accurate.
Saying Auburn is dirty is simply not accurate.
I think Auburn’s history of NCAA violations and sanctions would say otherwise.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
So you're basically saying that Auburn HAS to be the school, because they've committed violations in the past?
I could make an argument for every other school that it could possibly be, but goddammit I’d just be compared to Bruins Nation then.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Separate, standalone statements.
He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.
Or at least it will be a team in the SEC
The dirtiest conference in the nation.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I like good speculation such as "Auburn will win at least ten games next football season"
Don’t we all???
Not since they stopped paying their players.
It’s would be hard for me to go to work for free after I was promised a salary too.
Quack Quack Bitches!
by Quack Addict on Mar 2, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe it's not that we've quit, it's just that we've found a fooproof
way to launder the money….I jest, I jest!
Is it just me...
or do we always lose our baseball games to teams that have a 1-2 inning surge WAY late in the game? I mean, I know that it can be nothing monumental, but it’s starting to drift into the “21 unanswered points in the 3rd quarter” type of thing.
Saint Mary’s…….. 000 000 030 – 3 4 2
University of Ore 200 000 000 – 2 7 3
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Oregon………….. 001 100 100 – 3 6 2
Hawaii…………… 000 010 03X – 4 8 4
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Portland………… 100 010 300 – 5 9 0
Oregon………….. 001 000 200 – 3 8 0
Thoughts?
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
fail
Oregon……….….. 001 100 100 – 3 6 2
Hawaii…………… 000 010 03X – 4 8 4
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
Clearly, the bullpen has been extremely shaky to start the year. They’ve got to turn it around.
On the other hand, the team also has to get the bats going. Aside from having a multiple run inning late in the game, you know what else is common among those three losses? The team scored three runs or less. That’s not going to get it done most of the time, even with the new bats.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I could've sworn I was misreading the box score against Hawaii
10-11?! Not your usual baseball score.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
Gotta admit
I agreed with him on the lack of “the feeling”. I haven’t been in Mac Court all that much, but the character of that venue is palpable.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
I don’t think he was trying to say that there was a lack of “the feeling” — he was just saying that “the feeling” here was different, in part because the building was new. It didn’t have the rich, illustrious history of a building that had seen years and years of games. (Or maybe that’s what you meant, I suppose.)
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Mar 2, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Hey’s saying Matt doesn’t feel like it has a history yet. Thank you, Captain Obvious.
I understand the emotion involved, but that’s kind of a stupid statement. You can sit at midcourt in any old, empty arena in the country — from Cameron to Butler to Gill — and get a unique sensation that you won’t get at any modern megarena like Matt.
Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.
Exactly. As I read his article, that — what you said — was exactly what he was saying. There is a “feeling” in Matt, and it’s not one of nostalgia and history, but one of luster and luxury.
It seems as though others read a slight in what he wrote, but I didn’t detect a slight there at all. An obvious statement, sure, but I didn’t think he meant it in a bad way.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Mar 2, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't think there was a slight there at all
More of a sense of Awe and that this arena is going to set the direction and standard for future college ball stadiums.
Quack Quack Bitches!
Oregon fans are familiar with that topic, but the Ducks are not even mentioned in the article, though they do rank in the top 25 of “players charged.”
The article only looked at the preseason top 25, not all 120 teams. So to say Oregon is in the top 25 of players charged may or may not actually be true.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
That was a really confusing graph
I couldn’t tell whether they were SI’s top 25, or BCS top 25, or ‘most likely to have thugs’ top 25 or what.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
Thanks for point that out. I added the article early this morning and didn’t correctly read it.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I think it is also important to point out
fBSU is ranked number 4, with 16 players that have a criminal record.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
SI top 25
An unprecedented six-month investigation by Sports Illustrated and CBS News found that Pittsburgh had more players in trouble with the law (22) than any other school among SI’s 2010 preseason Top 25.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/the_bonus/02/27/cfb.crime/index.html#ixzz1FSe98ude
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
reply fail
that was supposed to be a response to Brass-billed
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
We didn't have very many
But the few we did have were arguably 2 or 3 of our most influential players the season before. That’s what made our news big, is that two potential Heisman candidates were in trouble and one was kicked from the team. I think the Pub that got is why Oregon is perceived to have been in more trouble than reality would suggest.
Quack Quack Bitches!
don't forget
“the punch seen ’round the world”
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
You're going back to '09 here
While I agree, this had a major impact on the perception of the program, the SI article focused on 2010.
Quack Quack Bitches!
Agreed. Having Alonso arrested the night after the CK press conference didn’t help either.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I actually read that entire article
And found it to be pretty anecdotal, not much in the way of real data, and a few stories that had any detail at all. They spent 6 months working on this thing and I have to say I am surprised they only produced a 2 page article.
Basically if you didn’t read it, some coaches rely on their contacts with people in the prospects life, for character assessments, rather than actually performing criminal background checks. I actually don’t think there is anything to see here, since juvenile records are usually sealed upon turning 18.
I guess what I am saying is that for all the fan fare about this thing: Where’s the beef?
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
How many recruits are 18 though?
I was the oldest kid in my senior class and was 18, but I’d say that probably 2/3 or more of the class was under 18 still.
Quack Quack Bitches!
True
Of the 277 incidents uncovered, nearly 40 percent involved serious offenses, including 56 violent crimes such as assault and battery (25 cases), domestic violence (6), aggravated assault (4), robbery (4) and sex offenses (3). In addition there were 41 charges for property crimes, including burglary and theft and larceny.
So to sum it up, of the 2800 kids in the study there were only 277 incidents, I am curious how this compares to 2800 random 17-18 year olds. I guess my problem is that there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of perspective here. I had a criminal record from an arrest when I was 16, and have never been arrested since. My personal experience is anecdotal, I know, but just because a person has gotten into trouble doesn’t mean they are thugs. I actually like that these coaches rely more on personal contacts than just checking the record.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
I had a criminal record from an arrest when I was 16
HEY THANKS FOR RUINING THE SURPRISE, JERK. I was going to publish all this in my expose on criminal records in college football blog participants.
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by ProbablyMonty on Mar 2, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
That's what I am talking about though
It’s fun to talk about celebrities and semi-celebrities criminal records, but without the context of their character, it is meaningless. I got drunk and did something really stupid, I was almost kicked off the football team and payed $1200 in restitution, but I have never been in trouble again. It is hardly indicative of my character. This just seems like a bunch of stats in search of a scandal.
Did I mention that I love Chip Kelly for this reason. He doesn’t get phased by a bunch of numbers on a piece of paper, he talks to the principles, reviews the tape, and acts according to the individual circumstances. Are some of those kids thugs? Maybe. I don’t know, I don’t have enough info.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
How do we know you’re not a thug? Up there in Alaska, clubbing baby seals…
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Mar 2, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you have to punch a fBSU player
or steal a laptop to be a thug.
If I wanted any lip from you, I'd unzip your pants.
Hey Now
How the heck do you expect us to make our fur bikinis?
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Background checks also
Go back to your days at Kindergarten. So if you groped your teacher and got charged, that will be on your rap sheet. I take this article with a big grain of salt.
On a side note, is Kindergarten a German word? Because,
I don't want my kids going to a private communist school
Quack Quack Bitches!
Nobody panic
Turns out an SI reporter thought he heard this exchange between Don Pellum and CK:
Don: Oh noes! I think we committed a major recruiting violation!
CK: Well that was stupid.
but what they were really talking about was Don Pellum’s bet that Justin Bieber was going to win a grammy:
Don: Oh noes! I permitted a wager on that hirsute singing sensation!
CK: Well that was stupid.
by daisyduck on Mar 2, 2011 8:40 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Why isn't this green?
It should be green.
Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.
You like hirsute?
I’ll give you hirsute..
Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.
I'd'a gone with
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by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
I think she works at the Holiday Store around the corner
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Thank goodness
I live in an era when body waxing is so easily accessible. Sis there could really use a spa appt.
This is Frida Kahlo. True story.
Not really, though.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
It is my undestanding that
Frida Kahlo looked exactly like Salma Hayek. Hollywood told me this, so the evidence is indisputable.
Hmm, maybe Salma Hayek in mid werewolf transformation.
Take a doo doo pie. I love you.
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 2, 2011 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, Frida Kahlo wasn't hairy at all; she only depicted herself as hairy in her autorretratos.
He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.
"autorretratos"
I can’t decide whether to think of you as precociously intellectual or annoyingly pretentious.
I mean, now you’re giving me new vocab challenges.
Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.
Actually, when anyone starts a sentence with the word 'actually'
you can pretty much guarantee they’re being pretentious.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 3, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Hmm, the famous eyebrows both clearly hers and of werewolf DNA.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/frida%20kahlo/snakefoot/frida_kahlo.jpg?o=7
Though my wife has about 10 billion pictures of Frida in various shrines around our house, I will not pretend to know if the rest of her is hairy.
Take a doo doo pie. I love you.
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 3, 2011 3:34 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, she definitely had at least a faint unibrow in real life.
I meant she always gave herself more fur on her cheeks and jawline that she actually didn’t have, and also exaggerated her own eyebrow typically.
He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.
"hirsute"
my new vocab word of the day. thanks for that.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
A couple interesting Jacquizz Rodgers quote from Canzano interview…
Jacquizz Rodgers on what he learned in Corvallis: “Outside of football, too much of nothing… I was in football 95 percent of the time.”
Jacquizz Rodgers on why he turned pro: “Witnessing my brother getting a serious injury like that… that was hard.”
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Spencer nails it, as always.
The NCAA is going to seriously hammer a program today, says one source and only one source. That program may be Oregon, say anonymous people on the internet triangulating off the host’s past guesses and history. The school and no one else has heard of it, and it is probably complete balderdash. This should be enough for you to ignore this, but for clarification’s sake keep reading.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Well, phooey
all this means is less football-related news out there in the world, and that is something I could use a little of, as long as it’s not anti-Ducks.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
Yep
So to recap: no one save three people (including an editor at ESPN mentioned by Cowherd) have heard something, and you can’t know what that something is until it actually happens, at which point these people will all be half-right in hindsight. Glad we could clear that up for you in advance.
Matt Takimoto's Shake Weight
Addicted to Quack
I can't stand Cowherd.
Such a rumor mongerer. LA homer to boot.
Here’s an idea-have the balls to reveal who the program is instead of giving us a broad and ambiguous description of the program.
War Mallard.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 2, 2011 8:57 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I don’t think he’s an LA homer… I mean – he has practically no ties to LA. He’s an Eastern Washington alum that has worked in Las Vegas and Portland before going to ESPN.
He’s just a rumormongering blowhard. For some reason people expect him to have valid expert opinions because he’s on talk radio and on ESPN. Glen Beck has a radio show and his own TV show too. Does he have valid expert opinions? (OUR LUNGS ARE RUSTING!)
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"
I know what TQA8 means, though. He has a total hard-on for all things LA. He loves USC, the Lakers, etc. I listened to him some when he was in Portland before he left, but when he went “national” he kind of jumped on that wagon. It’s probably no coincidence that USC was on their run of dominance during that time. “Homer” probably isn’t the right word for the reasons you listed, but I know what TQA8 is talking about.
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by MarineCorpsDuck on Mar 2, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, he’s a National Interest™ homer. Anything that trolls the largest amount of people or is popular in the biggest cities is what he talks about. If St. Johns gets actually good in BB again, or if the Knicks ever really figure it out, he’ll be a NY homer too. You know, like ESPN is.
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Linoleum Knife on Mar 2, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
That's it, you're right
He’s all about what’s good for the largest markets. He has no interest in small market teams, he is all over the jock of any team from NY, LA or Texas though, because that’s where the money is.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Cowherd is the Glen Beck of sports talk radio.
Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.
For once Clown came off as more reasonable on this
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
His back-and-forth with the chick on his show is really perverse too.
He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.
Only updates of the violation kind I've seen today
are investigators getting a search warrant for an NFL agent’s financial records in association with the known UNC scandal, and that the NCAA has slapped UTenn and Kiffin with long-expected violations. Kiffin personally rather than Tenn is named for the most severe violation of failure to monitor.
I guess this could be considered USC and top 10-12 program related, but it isn’t an investigative report, just the NCAA following up on a path that everyone expected them to. Anyway, rumor hunting beats working
I feel bad for James
As had been rumored as a possibility for several weeks now, rising senior WR James Rodgers — who was granted a sixth year of eligibility by the NCAA — indeed had a second surgery on his injured left knee last week, according to Paul Buker of The Oregonian, and his prognosis for the upcoming season is uncertain.
New England Patriots QB Tom Brady had a second procedure on his shredded knee in 2008 to clean out an infection, and if Rodgers’ surgery was for a similar reason, then there’s every reason to believe that he might still be able to play this fall. If, however, this was a second reconstructive surgery, then we’re guessing that it’s highly unlikely that he will be able to contribute in any meaningful fashion.
As Buker writes: “(Coach Mike) Riley said early last month, ‘I don’t want James to come back until he can be James’ — almost as if he was preparing OSU fans, and perhaps himself, for the very real possibility that the Beavers will move ahead in 2011 without James Rodgers.”
FWIW, Rodgers’ mother told Buker that as far as she knows, the surgery went well — but that doesn’t speak to the nature of the procedure.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Yeah. That is sad.
It makes me curious though, he was granted a medical hardship for this year – but if he is unable to return due to medical issues, does the medical hardship extend to the next year?
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"
No
Not since he already had a fifth year.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Well, being granted a 6th year of eligibility isn’t unheard of. Sean Sheller at UCLA was granted that last year. Case Keenum was also given a 6th year.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"
This IS his 6th year
He also reshirted once.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
The upcoming year is his sixth year of eligibiliity
See the quoted story above.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Pretty sure as well. We was a true freshman in 2007
so last year was #4 w/ no redshirt.
I think the story is incorrect. He graduated high school in 2007, and played immediately. True freshman=2007. True sophomore=2008. True Junior= 2009. True Senior=2010. Redshirt Senior= 2011.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
In any case we can all agree that the fact that James
Got hurt by a cheap shot by a Zona player is further reason to hate Stoops.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I don't need a reason to hate Stoops
I just hate him on principle.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
tricky question....
… but I do believe that he could unenroll and then re-enroll a year later – similar to a grayshirt. Thus, he’d still preserve that extra year of eligibility he was given. I’m only guessing, though.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Your scenario would be similar to a kid going on a mission
but I think the reason James needed to get the exception was because he had played in games this year before he got hurt which “burned” the redshirt he had available. Since he actually never used his redshirt and played in less than 30% of the games this year, it was a pretty easy decision for them to make. And for once, the correct one.
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Linoleum Knife on Mar 2, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
He was given a medical hardship last year which has no influence over his unused redshirt year.
Even if he isn’t granted a second medical hardship, I’m guessing he could theoretically use his redshirt year to recover an additional year.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"
I’m no expert, but isn’t this pretty much his last chance to play in college? He’s already a senior…Isn’t this his career as follows:
True Frosh
Soph
Junior
Senior Medical redshirt
Redshirt Senior
The reason he needed the medical is because he had played during the season. If he was hurt during spring practice or before the first game or whatever, he would have been given a redshirt like anyone else because everybody has five years to play four. He’s done after this year unless he can’t play this year and is given a second exception, right?
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Linoleum Knife on Mar 2, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
They may be able to work it so that 2010 would be a medical hardship year, and 2011 would be a redshirt year. There are a number of players that have 6 years to play 4.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
“Medical Redshirt” is a slang term, and actually has no implication of a redshirt year at all. The correct term is “Medical Hardship Waiver”.
So it would technically by
Year 1: True Freshman
Year 2: Sophomore
Year 3: Junior
Year 4: Senior Medical Hardship Waiver
Year 5: Senior
Without using up any redshirt year.
If he was still hurt his 5th year year, he could then redshirt that year, which then it would look like this:
Year 1: True Freshman
Year 2: Sophomore
Year 3: Junior
Year 4: Senior Medical Hardship Waiver
Year 5: Senior Redshirt Year
Year 6: Redshirt Senior
My original question was if a player gets an injury that happens in say, year 4, and he is given a Medical Hardship Waiver, but the injury he suffered lasts longer than a year to recover, can the SAME Medical Hardship Waiver carry over to a second year? I would suspect that you could appeal it to the NCAA, but they would deny it.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"
Makes sense
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Linoleum Knife on Mar 2, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
So I criticized Bachmann on Twitter re the SI story and got this reply
I agree in principle: Not sure which conclusions one can draw from the SI story.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
He signed his penis?
Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.
by benzduck on Mar 2, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
FYI
BREAKING: Oregon’s athletics surplus sale set for Saturday May 7, 8 a.m.-4 p.m. in the Moshofsky Center.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
So one of BYU's best players got kicked out for getting his girlfriend pregnant (no not Jimmer)
BYU code says this btw-
Students must abstain from premarital sex and may not use alcohol, coffee, tobacco or "erotic" or "indecent" material. The range of banned behaviors includes gambling, foul language and homosexual relations.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I tuned into Rome this AM on the way to work after he’d already announced the story. Listened for 10 minutes. He never mentioned that it wasn’t Jimmer, and I spent all day assuming it was (I’m too lazy to check).
Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.
someone with a name like Jimmer who knocks up a chick just lends themselves to so many jokes.
Rome’s prolly pissed it wasn’t him.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Why? This is no different than “violating team rules.” The team had rules, he broke them. He knew what the rules were when he enrolled at the school. I’m glad the school didn’t bend their rules to accomodate a star athlete.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I actually agree. He knew the rules prior to enrolling. Hell – many of US know BYU’s rules.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"
I agree that he has no defense. But those rules…fuck those rules. What an awful place to go to college.
Well, if you don't drink or smoke and don't believe in premarital sex..
it might not be so awful, but for the fact that it’s in fucking UTAH.
Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.
One good thing about Utah
Long stretches of highway unsullied by radar guns.
...and healthy sexy virgin National Parks
Take a doo doo pie. I love you.
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 2, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
Despite that
you should still probably be driving the right way on them.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
It’s definitely one thing to think the rules are stupid. So I suppose if you’re just finding out about those rules now, I could understand why you’d all of a sudden dislike BYU (although it’s not like they’re forcing the rules on YOU, but anyway, I get it). I guess my confusion was that I figured everybody realized that those types of rules existed at BYU.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I think it’s classless to trash BYU and their honor code. It’s not like these kids showed up, played a few games, and then got some surprise rules list shoved under their door. I think many of them went there because of the rules and the atmosphere BYU promotes.
I’m not much of a fan of organized religion (disorganized, now that’s different) but they do their thing and it’s not hurting anybody. I may think the kid didn’t deserve to get booted or that the rule is dumb, but I didn’t sign an agreement to follow those rules; he did.
But … Provo Girls!
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES PLAY WATER POLO FOUR DAYS AFTER YOUR SCROTUM WAS OPERATED ON - Gorbachav5
Well, besides the fact that the rule is absolutely moronic and violates people’s constitutional right to procreate (yes, I know, BYU is a private university) the penalty is so severe. A college kid had sex with his girlfriend and he’s kicked off the team? Really? If you want to suspend him for some games, ok, that’s fine. But to ruin his basketball career over something so trivial is just absurd.
From our perspective, yes.
From those looking after his immortal soul, they could care less about his basketball career.
I am not saying this is my perspective, but it approximates a devout Mormon’s perspective.
/marriedanexmormon
/notanexpertbyanymeans
/merelyaconduitbywhichthesewordsreachyou
/pargonsc’d
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, I have a constitutional right to procreate?
I wish I knew that when I was single.
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We’re getting into dangerous territory here, so I’ll try to be careful. The rule isn’t absolutely moronic to a lot of people (me included, although I’m not Mormon). There are very positive and logical reasons for it that you don’t have to be religious at all to understand.
But that’s almost beside the point. He agreed to the code when he enrolled there. He wanted to be a part of BYU’s team, so he signed a document that said he would refrain from those things. And he violated that agreement. There are plenty of places he can go to further his basketball career without the moral obligations.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
There’s nothing “moral” about it. Its a religious obligation, not a moral obligation. For some reason, people believe their religious beliefs transform into morality; simply not the case. But I don’t want to go into a religious debate.
Whatever the “justifications” that underlie the no premarital sex rule (which, by the way, I understand there are logical reasons for such a rule, but in the case of BYU its solely religious) the violation of the rule does not warrant the degree of punishment. Not only is the rest of the season (including the postseason which not only harms him, but his teammates who have done nothing wrong), but they may suspend him next season and even dismiss him from school. Sorry, that just doesn’t seem fair to me.
These are college kids. Last year, at about this time, 99% of us were talking about how kids deserve another chance and they shouldn’t be suspended for a lot of games for doing things that most of us did in college, criminal or otherwise. While I’ll give you the “he knew the rules” argument and the school has “logical reasons for it” there is no logical reason for kicking someone out of school for this “transgression”
Whatever…the religious obligations then. Either way, he made the agreement. He knew the rules. BYU has a zero tolerance policy, which he was aware of. Outside of any beliefs or practices, religious or moral, he was held accountable for his actions according to a policy that he agreed to uphold.
Nobody at Oregon signed anything like that, therefore Kelly has more leeway in determining how to punish disgressions. And I think his approach, given those circumstances, has been very fair. BYU’s approach, under their no tolerance policy, has also been very fair. This kid broke a rule, he knew the consequences, and now those consequences are being realized. You can disagree with the rule all you want, but the rule is there for a very specific reason. If he didn’t want to be subject to those rules, he shouldn’t have gone to school there.
I mean, I feel some amount of sympathy for the guy. He messed up, as we all have done in some form or another, and the punishment was severe. But he took that risk.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I feel sympathy for him too. But I can understand why BYU does what they do. They believe it’s the right way to do things, they’ve done it this way for a very long time, and they appear to be very clear with these kids from day one about what the rules are and their zero-tolerance policy.
Maybe there wouldn’t be such a backlash against BYU if their honor code had one more line at the bottom which read “No Taksies Backsies.”
if you don't want to follow the religious rules
don’t go to a religious college.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
Exactly! Everyone knows what they’re signing up for when they play at BYU. Right or wrong, the rules are in place, clear and were apparently broken by this player.
I hope he transfers to Oregon. Bang away, young man, and grab some rebounds while you’re at it.
Cal Bears football... Doing less with more since 2002.
by JConant on Mar 2, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I bet all you guys thought Randall "Pink" Floyd should have signed that paper in Dazed and Confused, too.
Take a doo doo pie. I love you.
by Bill Musgrave on Mar 2, 2011 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing I think is moronic
is that she got knocked up. Anyone ever hear of birth control?? Not in Utah evidently.
They couldn't use birth control
that would go against their religious beliefs.
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Addicted to Quack
Abstinence is birth control.
So is withdrawal.
So is the rhythm method (ie Vatican Roulette).
They’re just really really shitty birth control.
FUCK THIS SLOPE IS SLIPPERY. WHO PUT THE GODDAMN LUBRICANT ALL OVER THE INCLINED PLANE I’M STANDING ON?
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
You're preaching to the
Bad Catholic choir right here.
“No really Pope Benedict…I’ve swear I’ve managed to have only 2 children with no form of unnatural intervention whatsoever!”
This just in
Teenagers make stupid choices sometimes.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
its not trivial to them
its a vital part of the faith.
Besides, being a teacher has taught me that there are a lot of people from which we should take away the right to procreate.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Mar 2, 2011 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Amen, brother.
Kenjon Barner is an angel sent from heaven to make my heart happy.
by lovemyducks81 on Mar 2, 2011 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Or at least require some kind of license or training.
I mean, we insist that barbers are licensed, and seriously, how much damage can they possibly do?
Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.
Damn
coulda sworn that link would be to Sweeney Todd.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
Did it really?
He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.
You can't drink COFFEE!!!!!!
That is outrageous!
Some of the other stuff I can understand, but that, to me, is insane.
If I wanted any lip from you, I'd unzip your pants.
Meh, as religion goes
it’s akin to fish on Fridays as far as I can tell.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I actually try to do this sometimes (and unsurprisingly fail). So it’s lenient? Like…is Starbucks banned on campus? Also, why?? It’s not all caffeine right, just coffee? I need to visit Utah at some point, nice cultural experience.
it's caffeine
Yet it’s perfectly OK to make money from selling it, in the form of Pepsi.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
I believe the taboo is "hot drink" in the Mormon scriptures.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
they cannot drink caffeinated drinks of any kind
Soda? No. Coffee? No. Tea? no.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Hot drinks?
what about hot toddies?
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Linoleum Knife on Mar 2, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
do they have caffeine?
What are you a lawyer or something?
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Wrong
What Mormons can and cannot consume for Dummies
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
I was in Basic Training
with a hardcore Jack Mormon…Didn’t exactly follow all the rules to the letter. Cool guy
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Linoleum Knife on Mar 2, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Jack Mormons (lapsed Mormons to the unitiated)
Tend to be really awesome people in my experience
The first couple of Mormons I ever met
were Jack Mormons. Man, did we get lit. Then I met active Mormons. Really nice people. But boooring.
It's because it's against their religion to do drugs
and Caffeine is a drug according to them.
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also according to science
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES PLAY WATER POLO FOUR DAYS AFTER YOUR SCROTUM WAS OPERATED ON - Gorbachav5
Wow.
Staying eligible for classes at BYU would be much tougher than the classes themselves. The whole “no profanity” clause would sink me pretty quick.
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Hell, the no profanity clause would sink me as a history professor
Could I not quote Nixon in my classes anymore?
There was no President Nixon in Mormonism.
Only President Jesus.
It's spelled "A-R-R-O-G-A-N-T"
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by Takimoto on Mar 2, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
And Secretary of State Uncle Rulon.
He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.
Oh yeah...
No profanity? That’s fucking bullshit.
If I wanted any lip from you, I'd unzip your pants.
Not really related, but I think it's funny that they play milk pong at BYU.
War Mallard.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 2, 2011 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
That does sound hilarious.
He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.
It took me a while
To figure out that you weren’t saying that the girlrfriend was Jimmer.
Go Beavers!
So after reading all these rumors and hearsay about "recruiting violations"
It sounds like Cowherd is just bullshitting hardcore on who he THINKS might be implicated. If he had any knowledge whatsoever, he would’ve named the school. Every journalist and network wants to be the first to break these stories or rumors, isn’t that what it’s all about?
I’m ignoring it until further notice, it’s just message board fodder. I mean, people are citing posts on Canzano’s Oregonlive blog for goshsakes! The information out on the net has about as much validity as the DAT gang violence story at this point.
So in summary, it’s pretty much just bullshit.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
by baseb3383 on Mar 2, 2011 12:38 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I'm positive that someone is going to be hit with some sort of expose
now, as to whom, I jumped the gun on that a tad. You could make the case for a number of teams, and show how a number of other teams could be relevant.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
The DAT gang story was bullshit?
NOWAI
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
I see this whole Cam/Cecil Newton thing going 1 of 2 ways.
1. The NCAA gets around to actually investigating this thing, finds that the whole “Cam didn’t know” argument is bunk and slams Auburn in what will amount to a giant “no duh” moment for all college football fans.
2. The NBA/NFL lock out, other giant news story will usurp the news and media attention for the next 6 months until everyone is looking forward to the new college football season and this whole thing turns into a “wait, whatever happened with that whole Cecil Newton situation?”
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If this is true
Man, Cecil Newton is an idiot for leaving a voicemail.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
I think it’s a hoax. We’ve never had hard evidence like this, even with Reggie Bush. If this was really out there it would have come out before now.
Don't forget the Federal investigation
of whatshisface, the Auburn booster. It was ongoing back in December or whenever the Newton stuff hit, so the DoJ wasn’t going to release any of its evidence to the NCAA while it was still putting its case together.
It may all be bunk, but the Feds weren’t investigating a related case re: RB like they were with CN.
Personally
I think whether Cam knew or not is irrelevant, boosters associated with those institution were willing to pay money for his services. I don’t know what the exact wording is in the NCAA rule book, but I don;t think ignorance should be excusable here.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
It's excusable when you are the face of the frontrunner in the SEC.
by omb on Mar 2, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law
Good thing it was the NCAA rules that was violated.
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ANYONE ELSE HEARD ANY UPDATES???? I'M FREAKKKKKKKIN OUT MAN!
...GO DOUG...
by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Mar 2, 2011 3:11 PM PST reply actions
From what I’ve been looking at this morning, people seem convinced it’s bullshit. I’m not saying that these are 100% legit or anything like that, but I’m not concerned that there’s something here. Speculation is that it surrounds the bullshit of Cowherd and other blow hard media by trying to pump up ratings.
I’m not making any shit up I’m just relaying what speculation that I’ve looked at this morning has said.
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Matt is trying to start a rumor
that the rumors are not true!
You heard it here first folks. Matt is a drama queen/ DP spy.
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haha
CHIPPPPP KELLLLLLY HAS LOST CONTROL OF THE NATIONAL MEDIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
...GO DOUG...
by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Mar 2, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Cecil Newton Tapes
These could be hoax, but probably wouldn’t be the brightest idea to fake evidence in an investigation
http://auburngate.com/files/Memo_cleanup4.mp3
supposed transcript
“Hey John, this is C. We wanna come up there but uh… it’s not gonna be free. We got 2 offers now and uh.. two hundred thousand from auburn. He wants to play up here so uh [(allegedly, at this point you can here cam in background) hey, shut up, we’re all good. They’ll remember that.] Excuse me John, he really wants to go up there, so uh, we’ll give him to you for 150. he needs to go with a fair price, I just don’t wanna give to you this free mule, you know. When you get this, uh, give me a call back.”
He STILL talks in third person?!?!
I hate him. So much.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
You know what I hate?
Cowherd got exactly what he wanted-attention.
Here we sit, freaking out about these alleged violations. We are giving him exactly what he wants. His agenda was the cause people to freak out and get attention, and that he did. He’s going to claim to be some sort of genius when a school does have violations uncovered against them, because he made this extremely broad and ambiguous claim.
That’s what cowards and unethical members of the media do. Glad to know you’re part of that crowd, Colin.
War Mallard.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 2, 2011 5:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Wait a second…
“Coward”
“Cowherd”
OH MY GOD IT WAS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF US THE WHOLE TIME
/davincicoded
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Mar 2, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Here's a suggestion.
You know what I hate?
Cowherd got exactly what he wanted-attention.
Stop giving it to him, then.
Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.
Pac-12 cans refs
GEORGE SCHROEDER
Long overdue, if only for image repair. RT @bcondotta: Pac-12 fires 11 fb officials begins officiating overhaul: http://tinyurl.com/4f8gxpg
17 minutes ago
Loooooooong overdue is right.
Eleven refs getting pink slips. Best news I’ve heard all day. Good move.
Cal Bears football... Doing less with more since 2002.
Witchcraft! Heresy!
Who does this Scott character think he is, hiring good people and then allowing them to make sound decisions?
by omb on Mar 2, 2011 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Man, it just seems like the bad economic news is everywhere these days.
Oh, wait.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Mar 2, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
so...
It’s 7:07pm in Oregon and I find no major announcements.
"David Paulson dropped a ball one time just to see what it felt like. But he didn't like it so he decided not to do it again." -Mark Asper
by Mill_Duck on Mar 2, 2011 7:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Agreed, though I find the ongoing exposure of these street agents interesting – assuming any of this is accurate. Seems to me that if Oregon was going to go down the wrong path in a situation like this, with a “mentor/trainer”, that it would’ve happened with Bryce Brown. Who knows. Someone wake me when the NCAA says there’s a problem.
Cal Bears football... Doing less with more since 2002.
Assuming this is true (and that is a gigantic leap of faith)
Doesn’t this article then implicate LSU (extensively), Oklahoma State, TAMU, USC, Baylor, etc? We’d hardly be the only focus of the investigation and notice the date of publication (12/10/10). One would think that if this story had some legs to it a more reputable source, Yahoo! or ESPN, would have run with this story quite a while ago. As of now this story has been available for almost 3 months with no further commenting. Some may see it as doom and gloom, but until the NCAA says something then I’m lowering the threat level to green, or whatever Homeland Security says the lowest level of threat it.
Also – correct me if I’m wrong, but Brian Butler was never found of any wrongdoing (or Bryce Brown or his brother) – just shadiness. Is there much of a precedence in this situation?
Yes. This whole situation is very much like the AAU circuit in college basketball. It makes a lot of people uneasy, for good reason, but that’s where the kids are.
I really don’t see the NCAA doing anything about this, unless money is illegally changing hands.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I had read that earlier
It’s again nothing but postulation (is that a word?) and shows no wrong doing on Oregons part.
"David Paulson dropped a ball one time just to see what it felt like. But he didn't like it so he decided not to do it again." -Mark Asper
Great, Looks like Collin wasn't completely wrong
Although, not sure the ducks did anything wrong…cannot seee any recruiting violations coming from this but then again the NCAA allowed the highest payed player in NCAA football to play so you never know.
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