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Yahoo reports that Oregon paid 'street agents', Athletic Department says it's within NCAA rules

There have been rumors floating for quite a while now that Oregon has been involved with 'street agents,' those involved in college football that run various camps and are paid for their services. This is very much like the AAU system for college football, and has been known about but not much talked about for a while now.

At least until tonight, when Yahoo Sports released a story reporting that Oregon had paid $28,000 to two men with ties to Oregon recruits

According to State of Oregon expenditure records, the university paid $25,000 to Will Lyles of Complete Scouting Services in Houston, and $3,745 to Baron Flenory of New Level Athletics. Lyles is a former athletic trainer who recently was serving as a mentor to highly touted Ducks running back recruit Lache Seastrunk. Meanwhile, Flenory runs the Badger Sports Elite 7-on-7 football camps which have featured several celebrated Ducks signees including running back DeAnthony Thomas, defensive back Cliff Harris, defensive back Dior Mathis and wideout Tacoi Sumler. Flenory had a personal training relationship with recent Ducks signee Anthony Wallace.

As I said, this shouldn't be a surprise for many of us. This topic has been around for some time, and reached a bit of national prominence when Brian Butler was the face of the Bryce Brown recruitment, and was brought up again on a couple blogs.

Star-divide

So Yahoo has confirmed what many have suspected, that Oregon, presumably along with many other schools, has made payment for recruiting services, and done it as part of the athletic department budget. Oregon has already admitted to these payments, released the following statement:

The athletics department paid for services rendered by a pair of scouting services that were processed through the athletics department business office to Complete Scouting Services and New Level Athletics. This is no different than services purchased by a number of colleges and universities throughout the country.

This is something we remain confident that is within the acceptable guidelines allowed by the NCAA and occurred with the knowledge of the department's compliance office.

However, the payments and ties to players is bound to raise some eyebrows. Unfortunately, this is not a clear area of NCAA law. Payments cannot be paid to anyone that recruits for Oregon, and many will automatically assume that Myles and Flenory steered players toward Oregon. I don't see much evidence that this is the case, but this is an issue that many feel uneasy about, and it will be tough to establish either guilt or innocence in an issue such as this.

At this point, I'm not worried. This type of thing is part of being near the top of the college football rules, and there is, right now, no evidence that Oregon broke any NCAA rules. The NCAA will look into this issue, as they should, but early reports show they are looking into the street agent system in general, and not Oregon itself, though it's a good bet the Ducks will be looked at closely.

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This is what's sketchy to me.

“Baron Flenory of New Level Athletics. Lyles is a former athletic trainer who recently was serving as a mentor to highly touted Ducks running back recruit Lache Seastrunk. Meanwhile, Flenory runs the Badger Sports Elite 7-on-7 football camps which have featured several celebrated Ducks signees including running back DeAnthony Thomas, defensive back Cliff Harris, defensive back Dior Mathis and wideout Tacoi Sumler. Flenory had a personal training relationship with recent Ducks signee Anthony Wallace.”

War Mallard.

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 3, 2011 6:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

i bet every recruit in texas or the top 200 went to those camps. oregon got a couple of them.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Those are extremely loose terms.

If it makes you feel any better.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 3, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

And terms that are used by Yahoo to drive more intrigue.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 3, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Once you've accepted the fact that journalists are shadier than college football coaches,

you’ll know it for sure.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 3, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Close enough for me.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 3, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm reminded of Season 5 of The Wire.

It's spelled "A-R-R-O-G-A-N-T"
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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding. I just finished that again today, oddly enough, just before this news came out, and there are many similarities. Stretch the truth a bit to get more play.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 3, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You lost me at "trust me."

He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.

by qrsouther on Mar 4, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

How is that sketchy?

Every top recruit has a TON of people trying to steer him somewhere. As long as they don’t funnel money to a player it’s not against the rules. This isn’t Harvard/Yale circa 1921; it’s big BIG business. These people couldn’t NOT exist, good or bad.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 6:28 PM PST reply actions  

Cue Twilight Zone music?

“Flenory received his college degree from the University of New Hampshire, where he played under current Oregon coach Chip Kelly.”

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 6:29 PM PST reply actions  

WOW, WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 3, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

This makes me uneasy

If for no other reason than the fact that we are paying tens of thousands of dollars to shadowy, unregulated figures who insert themselves into teens’ lives for no reason other than to profit off their connections to these kids (and it’s not to say that all mentor figures do this), and then rely on these connections to get recruits. Definitely seems like we’re obeying the letter of the law but not the spirit

by emc503 on Mar 3, 2011 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

I would say it's more like masturbating to porn that your spouse does not star in.

Sorry, I thought it was brilliant when I posted it in the other thread.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 3, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The scary thing is

if WE’RE doing this, lil’ ol’ Oregon in the North West, then the SEC is probably skullfucking the law’s “spirit” over its mother’s grave.

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

its supply and demand. kids need someone to help them w/ all this. i’ve always wondered how the actually get to all the Junior Days and 7 on 7 camps but that’s a different issue. who’s supposed to help them? the high school coaches? their parents who have no clue how it works?

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

in that they actually know what they’re doing? yes. its like every other field of business – if you’re doing it to help the consumer (the kid), it’s good. if you are looking out for your best interest, it’s bad.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It's all just part of the gigantic NCAA double standard

These kids are “scholar athletes” who also happen to be massively profitable assets, and people are willing to capitalize on that value, especially when there isn’t someone to step in and take control of the situation, as a parent, friend, guardian, whatever.

by emc503 on Mar 3, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

i guess what i'm saying is that there are good people that help (and get paid for their help) and bad people (who get paid).

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

But at what point do they draw the line

It’s like…get a kid to a school he likes, or get a kid to a school that has paid you 25,000 for “recruiting” that you would probably want to keep receiving payments from.

by emc503 on Mar 3, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Oregon did have a legit recruiting service of over 1,000 kids for a very reasonable price of $7,500. They then went to a service of what is rumored to be SIX kids for a confirmed $28,000. That comes out to $466.67 per DIGIT of each kid’s phone number.

One of those six kids (could be more than six, but definitely not a legit service) was Seastrunk. And the guy running the service is rumored to have been sleeping with his mother. And his mother told his HS coach to not get involved in his recruitment because Lyles would take care of it.

Programs with tons of money and (relatively speaking) no recruiting talent in the surrounding area will draw suspicion. And they definitely can’t be doing things like sending that huge check to the wrong address.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

how much did you pay that German kid who chose FSU over Oregon last year?!?

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

$0, we got his wife into the graduate program she wanted.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

i hate when recruits pick schools for reasons like family and actual schooling!

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

To expand…

$28K for a scouting service is just an enormous number. Anything in the five-digit range should immediately draw scrutiny. And let’s just say everyone laughs hard when it is suggested that Lyles has anything resembling a service worthy of $3 or 4K, much less 28K.

Sure, the payment to a scouting service is fine. But Oregon will have to justify the amount when it clearly had many options presenting a much better value.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

confusing and illegal are 2 different things.

my point is that if it were illegal, it wouldnt have been paid thru our athletic dept budget.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

It can be legal on the face while still being a front for paying a player.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

No it can't.

Either the player receives money or he doesn’t. The only gray area is whether, if a player receives money, the school knew at any point. And that is the difference between only the player being penalized or both the player and the school being penalized. If the player didn’t receive money, it’s a moot point.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

But it can

if Lyles was involved in the recruitment of Seatrunk, and he’s done work for the University, he’s considered a booster. That’s where the issue will be, not if the money was funneled to the player.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Not necessarily.

If Lyles was paid and steered Seastrunk towards Oregon AT ALL, he’s a booster.

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

though, even in that scenario, I doubt we get more than a few scholarship losses. Teams just don’t get postseason bans unless there is widespread paying of players, widespread academic fraud, or they are telling the NCAA to fuck off.

--Dave

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by David Piper on Mar 3, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed. And Oregon would probably get lighter penalties than that since this is a test case in this area.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

for our penalty, i vote the NCAA makes us play one SEC team per year.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Preferably in January

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 4, 2011 5:41 AM PST up reply actions  

@BFeldmanESPN Spoke to a coach who said there is a “legit” recruiting service (XOS) that charges $40k for film for entire nation, but most are under $15k 15 minutes ago

$28K doesn’t sound so enormous now.

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by LoneStarDuck on Mar 3, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

It is more than enormous when you consider what those services offer and what Lyles “service” offers.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

So what you’re saying is Lyles has a “more than enormous”… package.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"

by JShufelt on Mar 3, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Well played

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really.

Why would UO have to “justify” the amount? Is there a limit? Has anyone enumerated an amount of money per player that is allowable? If the conceit is that the money isn’t actually forwarded to the players, what does it matter how much the “street agent” or “recruiting service” gets?

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Is this serious?

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Show us where it is written that a school has to justify the amount paid to one of these services.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't have to be written

go read up on the Cam Newton situation. And in that case it is written that a school can’t pay for a player, but they don’t have to abide by the books, because they make the rules.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Last I looked

Auburn hasn’t been busted for the Cam Newton situation.

Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.

by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't figure out why

they all but admitted that there was evidence that they paid Cecil for Cam. They just said he didn’t know about it and therefore was eligible.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

so

if we paid Lyles for Seastrunk, but Seastrunk didn’t know about it, he is eligible and we are clear

--Dave

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by David Piper on Mar 3, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

his mom sure didn’t know about it. if Lyles got paid, he kept it.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

schadjoe Joe Schad
“Willie said he was a trainer,” Evelyn Seastrunk said. “Now Oregon says he’s a scout. Is he on Oregon’s payroll?…”.If Willie Lyles collected $25,000 off my son he needs to be held accountable. The NCAA must find out for me..“…I don’t know how to digest someone cashing in on my son…”

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Careful reading too much into Lache's mom's comments.

We don’t know exactly what questions were asked, or how they were phrased.

Example. Reporter: “Evelyn, it’s been reported that Willie Lyles received $25,000 from Oregon after Lache signed his LOI to attend there. What are your thoughts?”

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

True

but if she’s pissed, she could be the smoking gun that ties him to his recruitment.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

and there’s rumors that Lyles and her ‘broke the Honor Code." i’m sure she has lots of reasons to be pissed.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

This is not good.

Seems to be getting worse as more info comes out…

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

i read that as positive news. at least he didn’t funnel that money to the family. amirite??

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Chip kelly has lost control of his! recruiting services

But wouldn’t that be on Lyle, not UO?

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 3, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Lyles misrepresenting his services

Isn’t good, kind of casts doubt on what we are paying for exactly. The fact that he didn’t funnel any money to the Seastrunks means that at least we’re avoiding having a Cam Newton situation on our hands.

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I like to keep my standards low, so I can be pleasantly surprised.

I’m expecting scholarships removed by the end of all this.
I’m betting the NCAA wants to really nail somebody after pussy-footing around with Newton all season. What better school than the one out west with the weird uniforms and small fanbase?

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If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

at least we’re avoiding having a Cam Newton situation on our hands

seems like that worked out pretty well for Auburn, we lost two BCS games.

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 3, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

If anything, this type of quote shoes that this isn’t just about Oregon, but street agents in general.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 4, 2011 5:44 AM PST up reply actions  

At least, that’s what the investigation will become about. Oregon made payments to entities that were sanctioned by the NCAA, to entities that were recognized by the NCAA.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 4, 2011 5:45 AM PST up reply actions  

.."…I don’t know how to digest someone cashing in on my son…"
 
Just then, Cecil Newton barges into the interview and says,

“Yeah, that’s MY job!”

"WIN THE DAY!"

by DuckUntilDeath on Mar 4, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if Lache has ever purchased anything ever.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"

by JShufelt on Mar 4, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

unregulated figures who insert themselves into teens’ lives for no reason other than to profit off their connections to these kids

I guess we can both agree that we hate facebook too then.

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

If you are not doing something that looks dirty to an outsider

You are recruiting wrong.

My 2cents.

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by trumpetduck on Mar 3, 2011 6:32 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

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Miami Columbus WR Tacoi Sumler, who Yahoo says participated in 7-on-7 skills camps, to SN: "I never heard those names (Flenory and Lyles)…..“In my whole recruiting. Just the accusation of that makes me kind of upset.”

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:34 PM PST reply actions  

I e-mailed addictedtoquack gmail about this. Have more and would definitely want to help a fellow SBN site even if it is not good news for Oregon.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 6:35 PM PST reply actions  

ok

I'LL BITCH SLAP YOU WITH ROBERT SWIFT!!!

by My Name is Bryce on Mar 3, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

we have a lot to learn from any team south of the Mason-Dixon line. share your wisdom.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, I e-mailed them yesterday morning with this information that came out today.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

and this info came out a couple months back if i remember correctly.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It all went down over a year ago actually but nobody with the info had reason to turn it over. I believe a certain school in Texas put its Horns down and hired PIs to figure out why some of these recruitments were so different than the others.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

LSU, Oklahoma State, and Texas A&M also have Lyles connections in some measure and are likely to be looked at.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

this is somehow related to Travon Reed and the other kid that went to Auburn too right? well same issue anyways?

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I have heard that mentioned but I don’t feel comfortable slinging the rumors because I don’t have any connections close to that situation.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

i meant that they had ‘mentors’ that helped them choose. basically relationships helped them decide for Auburn and LSU is pissed.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

It is widely speculated that Lyles delivered Patrick Peterson to LSU (then Patrick Johnson before the adoption and name change nonsense). But after that LSU and Lyles are rumored to have had a major falling out. I suspect LSU would burn Lyles if it could do so without burning itself.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe its my west coast naivete but isnt this basically how every recruit in the south picks a school?

i’m kinda half serious.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think it is rare.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

How exactly did Lyles "deliver" Peterson to LSU?

Please enlighten me, I really don’t know how this works.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It is widely speculated that Lyles delivered Patrick Peterson to LSU (then Patrick Johnson before the adoption and name change nonsense).

By who? Do you have a link or source? Is there anything substantial out there or do these people use words like speculate and rumored?

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by mjtig on Mar 4, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Holy shit

it’s the Anti Paragon

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by axemen23 on Mar 3, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

cuz we dont make a list of the top 4 recruits at each position and refuse to recruit anyone else. maybe they shouldn’t fill up their commits with juniors every year.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

its funny that LaMike’s recruitment is a big deal now. basically it was only us and TCU right?

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:40 PM PST reply actions  

I see what you did there.

1 rec for you sir

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by QuackinAK on Mar 3, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Things UO does not use its own official checkbook for:

Stadium expansions.
State of the art arenas.
State of the art operations centers.
Training facilities.
Uniforms.

Things UO does use its own official checkbook for:
Bribes to shady street agents.

It all makes so much sense, it could not possibly make more sense.

by omb on Mar 3, 2011 6:50 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

i think someone needs to make a new edition of the pic w/ Uncle Phil, Snoop, DAT, The Duck and his sweet ride.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Correction

Stadium expansions.
State of the art arenas.
State of the art operations centers

Those can be filed under “Things UO does not pay for period”. Even I (a Husky) know that they lease the land to PK and he develops it and donates it back to the university.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

well done husky. that’s what it says.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

From the way I read it

it’s implied that UO spends money on all these things, which is not true. Upon reading it again, I guess I missed the whole context of the post. My sincerest apologies. I’m not trying to start fights here, in fact, I’m less worried for you than TQA8.

I think something shady went down, and honestly in my heart of hearts think that Lyles has steered guys towards UO in exchange for these payments and money from Nike sponsorships, it’s downright naive to think otherwise. What I don’t believe is that this is something worse than what’s happening in the SEC or even at UW, and that anything more than a couple years probation will come of it. As much as I would like to see UO given the death penalty…I think this is overblown.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

So much truth

I think this is overblown.

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

i’m not even sure probation is gonna come. it’s either illegal or its not. either we played by the rules (as dumb as they are) or we broke them and will get worse than probation. i hope we schedule Texas at Cowboy Stadium every season opener.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s really not black and white. Oregon will have an awful hard time trying to claim Lyles’ “service” was anything other than a front to buy Seastrunk.

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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

we dont have to. we’ve already admitted paying him.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

There’s really no “admitting” to a public record. Think the point stands, no?

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope.

If A) the point of these “Recruiting Services” and/or “street agents” is to…influence kids in one direction or another, and B) it is a matter of record that Oregon paid Lyles, and C) the role of these folks is not “illegal” according to NCAA rules, I’m not exactly sure what the point is exactly? Unless you are flat out going to say Lyles paid Seastrunk.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Because Lyles would be considered a booster

and if he handled Seatrunks (or LMJ’s) recruitment at all then that’s a major violation.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Got ya.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't give up.

You can still win this fight BGWM.

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I can try, but it's a lost cause.

I didn’t get that point (obviously) at first, but it’s a winning point.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...

from all the reports/rumors I’ve seen, it seems like an awful lot of money to just one guy, and he’s too familiar with (his) players in Texas to just write him off as a HS football fan.

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by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You'd think the coaching staff themselves

would’ve handled such high-profile players, rather than paying some shady dude 25K.

I honestly don’t like this situation at all, and I’m expecting some NCAA grandstanding (see?! We CAUGHT one!) by the time this is all over.

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by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Your buddy Marky Mark is the new pres up in that piece too

although I’m not sure if he a) would have the authority to pull that crap off or b) he might have pretty deep conference loyalty.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

it seems like it will be more difficult to claim that UO was doing anymore than paying for recruiting services

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

unless they have a smoking gun

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by David Piper on Mar 3, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s assuming the NCAA carries the burden. A simple comparison will show that Oregon was paying $7,500 in 2008 for Florida only, then $10,000 for Florida and Texas in 2009, and then dropped that comprehensive service, upon which that service fired Lyles for being scummy, after which Oregon signs Seastrunk, and then boom, payment made to Lyles for…. $25,000, for rendering a much lesser service.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

so Oregon liked Lyles better than anyone else at his former company … I still see no proof of wrongdoing (the operative word being “proof”)

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Explain logically why they would go from paying $10,000 for a comprehensive, renowned service to paying $25K to a guy with basically no service.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Uncle Phil was a little tipsy and accidentally added a zero?

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

how do we know he provided no service?

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Because people who have access to his site have said he had less than ten prospects on there when Oregon bought the service.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

So what?

Again, you are coming to a conclusion that it feels fishy to you, but not actually making a case that is tangible.

by netminder82 on Mar 3, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

the burden is still on the NCAA to prove that there was wrongdoing

I’m not saying this isn’t all shady. I’m just questioning whether its against the rules or, more importantly, whether it can be proven that it was against the rules.

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by David Piper on Mar 3, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

ok, but he WAS providing a service … and it’s a service that school’s pay money for

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

And according to Seastrunk’s mother Lyles was in charge of his recruitment. There’s more than a little circumstantial evidence here.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

and he wanted to go to Oregon and she didn’t.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

SHOW ME THE MONEY

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Lyles did not return calls from SI.com. His Web site features a “JUCO price list” that offers videos for a particular state for $3,000. A multi-state region costs $5,000. A “trifecta package” that includes any three states costs $8,000, while a “national package” costs $15,000. No service is priced at $25,000.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/03/04/oregon.payments.insider/index.html#ixzz1FbhreHxS

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

up here in Oregon, we like to order ‘off the menu’. only suckers pay cost.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

i get that, but there’s still nothing (so far at least) that shows tht any extra money went towards steering a kid our direction … it might HAVE, but it also might NOT have

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

You seem well versed on this, so I'll just ask

What are they allowed to pay for? Besides what you listed before. Can they pay him to put together a camp? Can they pay him for an individual service that’s not listed on his site, like say “we want video break downs for all 3rd and long situations for these 10 players”? Do they HAVE to pay the same amount as everyone else? Can they put him on retainer, and tell him, give us your regional package, and when we have specific kids we want broken down, we’ll call you and you can take it off our tab?

What are the rules?

Because except for SSN and more personal info, why would I even pay 5k for something I can get for $1.50 in late charges at the library.

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

My boy's wicked smaht.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I am sure they can pay for the 3rd-and-long situations and the individual stuff. Certainly they have the freedom to contract. They can also pay to have the scouts show them around at high schools, etc.

No, they don’t HAVE to pay the same amount as everyone else. But when you’re dealing with an agent like Lyles, and you pay him such an exorbitant amount for a virtually non-existent service, the NCAA may ask you why you paid so much more for so much less.

I am not sure on the camp stuff. I don’t want to guess on the camp stuff.

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

You keep saying this

and you pay him such an exorbitant amount for a virtually non-existent service

But all I see is conjecture, speculation and assumption. I’m sure you have “info” but until I see otherwise, I’m going to have to say once again, that it’s the NCAA’s burden to prove it.

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

matt - you are missing the point.

The exorbitant amount is not the proof… But it is the reason for the investigation that will launch a million press inquiries and linger for the next year

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Mar 3, 2011 11:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

No I think you're missing the point

The amount doesn’t seem exorbitant. Sure on face value for “recruiting services” it may seem high in comparison to other services that have lists of fees on the internet and that joe shmoes can easily research and who think $25k is a large sum to begin with.

What I’m asking, is it really that exorbitant? What services did he offer? People only seem to be guessing at that right now, from the ridiculous to absurd with little to no actual knowledge. Feel free to pile on that electric train bandwagon, I’m sure they’d be glad to have you.

Is $25k a large sum for consultant services for a year or longer (in my line of work, not at all)? My whole point is we have no idea what Oregon paid for or what they got. What we do know is that Oregon doesn’t seemed worried, they ran all of this through their compliance department, never tried to hide any of it and I’m sure they’ll accommodate the NCAA in whatever questions they have.

Considering they’re already admitting to paying him, the only thing about this that will last a year is the speculation and conspiracies that outsiders will want to put on it.

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I have personally staying out of this

Because we know nothing other than the fact that money was exchanged and nobody tried to hide it. Who knows what it means? My guess is we won’t know anything for a while. We all need to just step back and watch this thing unfold.

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by QuackinAK on Mar 3, 2011 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

you obviously don't know how to play the interwebz games.

1. Prepare search for needle in haystack.

2. Begin search. Find rusty nail.

3. use power tools to shave nail pointy

4. Spray paint silver.

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by axemen23 on Mar 3, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be a hell of a lot more worried if any of the following existed

1. Shady funneling of the money
2. Outside sources involved in payments
3. Flat out denial from the University
4. No knowledge by CK or the Athletic Department
5. Uncooperative AD
6. Investigation started by the NCAA on an unknown new issue, not by some journalists that are piggy backing on work done by some bloggers more than a year ago.
7. If the issue was serious and could ACTUALLY cause some sort of death penalty for Oregon. Instead worst case scenario they’ll get some slap on the wrist and some heightened supervision going forward… yawn.

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Recs for this post and the one it replied to.

For being well thought out and seeming to take in all available information.

The issue lies in whether the player receives the money as far as I can tell. If he did, then by all means I believe the program deserves repercussions.

If all it’s proof of is there are people who are delivering certain players and wanting to get paid for it, and the NCAA doesn’t like this, then it’s a wake up call to regulate this aspect of recruiting by having all recruiting services have to register with the NCAA so they can be monitored.

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by AcadianTraverse on Mar 4, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

And what is the "wrong" answer?

You still haven’t specified anything the NCAA would charge the team, the player, or Lyles with.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

rec-tastic.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm going to note that price list says "JUCO"

…and not HS players.

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by M. Fletcher on Mar 4, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I fai to see what the timing of the payment would have to do with anything.

If you’re saying it’s shady that nothing was paid until after the service was provided. I invite you to go look at any balance sheet of any operating company anywhere. The lines called “accounts receivable” and “accounts payable” those are there because business transact services that are paid at a later date all the time.

If you’re saying that it likely represents a contingent fee for landing a player, I still fail to see what this has to do with anything. Most executive recruiting firms (i.e. those that handle the high profile, sought after candidates) also work on a contingent basis. In fact so do most consultants.

If you’re saying that this was an effort to get funnel funds to Lache after he was signed, then the timing is not the issue, it still rests with the money reaching the player.

Who needs normal sleep patterns?

by AcadianTraverse on Mar 4, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm qualifying my own post here

After reading some more (right below) and seeing the booster argument. If he was paid to deliver, and that is against the rules, then yes I agree punishment is deserved.

It also means there needs to be registration of these services with the NCAA. As I would find it hard to believe there’s not wide spread “delivery” of players.

Sorry, basb3383.

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by AcadianTraverse on Mar 4, 2011 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter.

Only matters if money made it to a player.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

For the last time, yes it does matter.

If Lyles was paid and steered Seastrunk towards Oregon AT ALL, he’s a booster, which is a violation. Doesn’t matter if Seastrunk got any money.

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

baseb3383 is right

that is the only way we get a violation, and it woud be a slap on the wrist

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by David Piper on Mar 3, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

so if Lyles said, you should go to USC, Oregon, LSU or Texas and he was getting paid by all, whaaa happens then?

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Lyles buys a BMW.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It's a violation for all schools.

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Still wondering how you prove any of this.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

hopefully we didnt write “Lache Seastrunk” on the memo line of the check.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It's basically circumstantial.

So none of it is easy to prove. The part I’m worried about is that Lyles was acting as Seastrunk’s personal recruiting advisor according to his mother and his coach, which makes Oregon’s payment to Lyles for recruiting services sketchy at best.

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't he the guy who played under CK

maybe a little bit of help for a guy down on his luck? Wishful thinking on my part

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by axemen23 on Mar 3, 2011 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope, swing and a miss

that was Flenory.

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by Brass-billed on Mar 4, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

and we can come up with whatever excuse we want

the NCAA has to carry the burden. If they don’t have proof of anything, it doesn’t matter.

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by David Piper on Mar 3, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

EXACTLY.

Oregon can pay the guy a dime or a million dollars if it feels like. The rules don’t include a cap on what these guys are paid, so who cares how much it was?

by netminder82 on Mar 3, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Burden remains solely on the NCAA.

What is the NCAA going to do, scold UO for overpaying for service? Unless they can prove Lyles paid players, there’s nothing there.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

So it’s guilty until proven innocent with the NCAA (ok, don’t answer that). But I look at it a different way and say it’s going to be really hard to prove that buy recruiting services from Lyles was anything more than, buying recruiting services from Lyles… especially given the fact that Oregon’s been above board with all of this and is not even being investigated for it over a year later.

You’re telling me that all of a sudden there is new evidence that Oregon hasn’t admitted to that will prove otherwise? Or is it just more conjecture.

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh...

if it was illegal, it’s merely having improper contact with a booster. That probably carries probation with maybe a one year bowl ban.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That's my thought

you guys don’t have a long history of this stuff and with a commish that will actually (maybe) go to bat for you (read: 1990’s UW sanctions), it shouldn’t be that bad.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm convinced that the only reason SC got off so bad

is because they were completely uncooperative and was giving a big ‘fuck you’ to the NCAA

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by David Piper on Mar 3, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

UW got it bad because the Pac-10 fucked em’, USC got it bad because they’re smug pricks.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

So unless the Pac-10 fucks you

or unless you’re smug pricks….oh, this could be bad.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

good thing the NCAA loves money printed by Nike.

/Conquest Chronicle’d

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

bmoney - why do u think Scott would go to bat for Ore?

… He’s an LA school tool. You also can’t underestimate the Emmert factor.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Mar 3, 2011 11:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Oregon going down in flames does nothing for him

he’s trying to get a TV deal together and all the football power resides in the north, he’s not going to pull the linchpin out.

He might be an LA School tool…but I’ll bet he likes money more than SC or UCLA.

by B Money on Mar 4, 2011 6:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Well… I feel like an idiot. What’s the Emmert factor?

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by JShufelt on Mar 4, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

OH OH OH!

Can we be on “double secret probation?” 8-]

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by DuckUntilDeath on Mar 4, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Some questions I would need answered before coming to a conclusion

1. Was Oregon the only one paying Lyle for his recruiting services? If not, then were payments comparable to other schools.

2. How does the amount compare to other recruiting services?

3. When was the payment made? Was it after the season and what services were provided? The Oregon AD know that all financial records are available for for public viewing so there must be some kind of invoice, especially for that amount.

4. Did Oregon pay Lyle this year? If so, how much?

5. Is the total amount Oregon spends on these camps dramatically more than other universities with high profile football programs?

To me the last question is the one the intrigues me the most.

by ppilot on Mar 3, 2011 6:54 PM PST reply actions  

it makes sense that we’d have to pay more for these camps or whatever in TX and FL cuz we don’t have any long term relationships built like we do in CA.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

1. Was Oregon the only one paying Lyle for his recruiting services? If not, then were payments comparable to other schools.

No, other schools also paid him and will be examined.

2. How does the amount compare to other recruiting services?

It is way, way out of whack. That’s what will hurt UO. Lyles service is barely even a service. I was told that he only had six kids info listed at one point. I know one major service that charged $10,000. Lyles service in no way compares to that.

3. When was the payment made? Was it after the season and what services were provided? The Oregon AD know that all financial records are available for for public viewing so there must be some kind of invoice, especially for that amount.

A year ago I believe, if we are talking about buying Lache.

4. Did Oregon pay Lyle this year? If so, how much?

$28,000 or $25,000, have to figure out which number is right.

5. Is the total amount Oregon spends on these camps dramatically more than other universities with high profile football programs?

I am sure some schools also paid a lot, but not all.
To me the last question is the one the intrigues me the most.

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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Lyle got 25k

Flennory got 3K, if I’m not mistaken.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The question was "what did the other schools pay Lyle?"

It doesn’t matter what other schools pay other services in this context. What do/did other schools pay Lyles?

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the same university and athletic department that

1) Didn’t have a written contract with Bellotti for years, and
2) Didn’t say boo when he told them his unwritten contract called for a multi-million dollar severance package when he quit on his on voalition.

I seriously doubt Lyles’s “invoice” was anything more than a phone call. I’m not saying the Ducks paid for players, but attention to detail isn’t exactly the Athletic Department’s or General Counsel’s strong suit.

by AtticusDuck on Mar 3, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s a new AD though.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"

by JShufelt on Mar 4, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep. I know for a fact they sent at least one important piece of Lyles correspondence to the wrong address.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 4, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Oregon paid at least two other scouting services for their services: $8,000 to Gary Howard of Northern California Scouting and $1,995 to PrepTracker, LLC of Nashville, Tenn.

PrepTracker is gonna be pissed!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6179423

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 6:58 PM PST reply actions  

Okay. At the risk of looking stupid..

What services were being rendered by these gentlemen for the fees they received?

Specifically, I mean. “Recruiting” isn’t specific.

Generally, in business one doesn’t write checks with several zeroes in front of the decimal point without a reasonable understanding of the services expected in return.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 6:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Contact info. Names, birth date, social, address, measurements, phone number, e-mail, parents names and contact info for them, same for the coach. And game film, often spliced and cut into highlights.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, for that kind of money..

they better have done a fucking amazing highlight reel.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Produced and Directed by Michael Bay

Was that a sick juke? No it was an explosion!!!!!!!

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by trumpetduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Must make for an anticlimactic official visit.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

well i guess i have the answer of who is behind oregongridiron.com

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see the arguments on both sides now. Violation! vs. It’s within the rules. I know the world has changed in this regard but I don’t care.

Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.

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by dvieira on Mar 3, 2011 7:02 PM PST reply actions  

I’m totally looking forward for the arguments.

It will probably come down to a perspective of morality vs amorality. Both credible and dare I say – rational – perspectives.

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by JShufelt on Mar 3, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not sure how I feel about this.

I can’t say I’m happy it happened, but I can’t say I’m disappointed either.

So in summery: Huh.

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by JShufelt on Mar 3, 2011 7:07 PM PST reply actions  

How you come down on this issue depends, I guess, on if you believe that the recruits were “bought and paid for”.

The legality, I suspect, will hinge on whether any of the kilobucks sent to Flenory et al made their way into the hands of the player or family.

I need to know a lot, lot more about what the AD’s expectations were regarding to the value returned.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree. Until more information arises, I stand by my reaction of “Huh.”

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by JShufelt on Mar 3, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m approaching “Hmmmmm” level. A little beyond “Huh”, but, not much.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

My thought is basically this

I don’t like it, but this is how AAU-style recruiting works. We better get used to this shit.

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by axemen23 on Mar 3, 2011 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

this is a gross simplification and not exactly accurate

The question is if the advisor was taking payment to push a kid – a violation no matter the sport

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Mar 3, 2011 11:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Question: If it's within the rules

Then why has it been on ESPN between basketball games as a “Top Story”. As in “The NCAA is looking into Oregon in recruiting violations for a recruit out of Texas.”

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by Mill_Duck on Mar 3, 2011 7:08 PM PST reply actions  

cuz their college football analysts have nike shoe deals. i hope they’re still televising our spring game.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean Wendi Nix?

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

wait…is she the in the visor?

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Naw, he means Erin Andrews.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Does raise a good question.

Which one would you rather see Chip with?

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Erin Andrews, and it's not close.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't think she's a little tall for him?

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I just want Chip to be happy.

And she’s a mega-hottie who’s nice in real life. Height is a minor hurdle.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

But she's taller than Chip.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

What's Chip? 5'8"? 5'9'?

I think it would be okay.

But that doesn’t matter anyway, because I’m going to be her man and I’m taller than her.

War Mallard.

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 3, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember, she wears heels a lot.

So that natural 5’10" is really gonna be like 6’1".

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

You ain't keeping Erin Andrews in line.

Chip Kelly couldn’t keep Erin Andrews in line.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

More like a hair over 5'6".

He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.

by qrsouther on Mar 3, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, put him in heels then.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Because it’s a slow news day.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't be the first time the crawl carried incorrect info.

Think of Mike Leach and the “broom closet” he “locked” the player into.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

….and craig james still has a job.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Shut up, now you’re just depressing me.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

…and they let him call Tx Tech’s bowl game that year.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

ESPN would like everyone to think the SEC isn't the only conference that commits recruiting violations.

Why do you think they spent more time than everyone else on the USC allegations?

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Pac 12: we’re just like the south!

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Because lies sell stories

The NCAA ISN’T looking at Oregon. They are looking at these recruiting services, for now. But it’s easier to sell “looking at Oregon”

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody likes looking at Oregon

the uniforms and BB court design cause severe eye strain.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

The court, I agree. The uniforms? Come on, this coming from the team that wears purple?

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It's our school color

and…we’ve never worn day glow 80’s colors to the best of my knowledge.

He looks like he’s gearing up to be on Nickelodeons “Wild and Crazy Kids”

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe you didnt notice all the other players at the Senior Bowl, etc wearing day glow O’s on their helmets. the kids love it. the fans love it.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I know they do

I just can’t for the life of me figure out why.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

i hope we steal every color of every team in the pac 12. purple, scarlett and gold should be next on our list.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

The day I see a square micrometer of purple on a Duck uniform

is the day I start funneling money to Corvallis. Because even I have standards.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t one of the first iterations of the green helmet back in ’99 have a faint purple stripe down the middle of them, to kind of have that reflective mallard shine?

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by JShufelt on Mar 4, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

In 1899? I don’t remember. But I’m pretty sure the leather was brown.

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by benzduck on Mar 5, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

It wasn’t ever actually “done”, but when they were doing whole new design, where we get our “O” from, there was some talk that they had a shiny stripe in one of their preliminary designs.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"

by JShufelt on Mar 7, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I could've sworn I posted this already...

but whatever.
If there was a design like that, it should’ve been a blue stripe, instead of p*rple. Blue goes much better with the yellow/green scheme anyways.

Also, note the wavy gray pattern on its belly?
Who says our colors aren’t accurate?

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by Brass-billed on Mar 6, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Flagged for mention of purple.

"It’s great with these group of guys. There is no panic in them." --Chip Kelly, Clearly NOT talking about members of ATQ.

by M. Fletcher on Mar 4, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Man, I hate to admit this...

But neither do I.

Ugh. Time for a shower.

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by Gorbachav5 on Mar 3, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

We have our own little hole-in-the-ground

for attempts to pander to the fans that go HORRIBLY wrong. Roboduck’s there, along with the Grellow helmets and neon yellow jerseys. I’m fine with tossing the socks in too.

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by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Love those Unis. Schools that don’t have traditional, classic uniforms should go crazy.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

when did you turn into Notre Dame fan?

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

1992 wants it’s joke back.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

yes, we've played in both of those games the last two seasons

did you enjoy the Holiday Bowl :)

--Dave

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by David Piper on Mar 3, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Give them credit. They beat Nebraska.

We haven’t managed that since 1952.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

i wonder how many UW fans bet on them to win outright.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I did...but only $5

and it was mostly because I wanted some good mojo from it.

I did lay down a healthy 3 figure bet on them to cover though.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

betting on your team to lose? pride.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

betting on your team? stupid.

Never, ever, ever bet on your own team. On either side.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I did sports betting and poker as a part time living for awhile

and when it’s a substantial portion of your income, you can easily detach yourself from fan emotions.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Pete Rose is nodding in agreement.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

How did you do in '08?

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

So, terrible before that point?

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Average

but not great. I quit betting serious money in 06’.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

All money is serious.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

True

but it’s fairly low stakes. I could find the money (I have a couple years of season tickets worth in my bankroll) to go to games, but I live 40 minutes from HS and my wife finds football repulsive and would rather me bet on sports than “throw it away”. I love gambling and researching, and as much as I am a Husky fan, I am a College Football fan, and am just as happy with a good craft brew on my couch in my underwear.

Not going is more a choice with the convenient excuse of money issues, because it’s really not an amount that we have laying around.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, wait, wait...

your wife doesn’t want you ATTENDING sporting events, but is fine if you bet on them?

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by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, pretty much

Although on a weekly basis during FB season (when I bet the most), I generally only bet about as much as it would be to take myself and my wife to a game with a decent seat (assuming tickets, parking, gas, food).

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

my wife finds football repulsive

So did my first wife.

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by benzduck on Mar 4, 2011 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

My fortune of monopoly money disagrees.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"

by JShufelt on Mar 4, 2011 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

and you only bet $5 on UW to win. that’s f’n hilarious.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't think they would

nobody did or they wouldn’t have been 14 point dogs. It was mostly symbolic. Hard to lay down a knot on the team that smashed you at home earlier in the year.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

So you'd bet against them if you felt the spread was out of line?

Can you really “detach yourself from fan emotions” when you’re sitting at the game, watching your friends go nuts as your team easily covers a spread you were sure was way off the other direction?

I’d find it hard to get excited if that last touchdown we scored cost me hundreds.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm only 26 and I just had my first kid

and my wife doesn’t work, therefore I do not have money to attend games. In fact the only UW game I’ve ever been to was at Reser on my OSU booster families throwaway tickets.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking as someone twice your age..

If you’re a new father (congratulations) and your wife doesn’t work, and you don’t have money to attend games, you might want to reconsider the whole gambling thing for a while.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a complicated situation

because it’s really the only thing I spend money on. I play lots of video games and we hang out at home.

I quit totally in 06’ when my wife (then gf) moved in with me and I started again for fun and lower stakes in 07/08ish. I’ve had a couple good years and a couple bad ones, but I’ve never gone belly up. It’s all still money that’s been slated for gambling losses for 7-8 years now.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

If it makes you feel better

I was in a poker tournament tonight downtown from 6-9, and had 2nd top stack at the final table (20 dollar buy in, first prize of $330). Dealt 10-9 of hearts. Flopped 6-J-K of hearts. Old dude bet 11K (in chips). Obvious call. Next card is K of spades. He goes all-in. i KNOW he’s got 3 kings. Obvious call. I stand to seize control of this sucker. Guess what the river card was.

/sob

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by axemen23 on Mar 4, 2011 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

You lost $20.

Waah.

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by benzduck on Mar 4, 2011 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

the other number

that 3 digit one.

I planned to lose that 20 dollars, if I didn’t, I would think I’d have an ego issue at the very least.

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by axemen23 on Mar 4, 2011 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

You didn't lose that other number

because you never HAD it in the first place.

But I sympathize, they don’t call them bad beats for nothing.

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by benzduck on Mar 4, 2011 12:43 AM PST up reply actions  

More boring than poker stories...

The recap of someone else’s fantasy football weekend.

Who needs normal sleep patterns?

by AcadianTraverse on Mar 4, 2011 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

It's the other way around in my book

At least in fantasy football the discussion involves what some professional athletes did, instead of just what some guy did while seated.

by grimc on Mar 4, 2011 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

No… Watching grass grow is more boring.

And the only thing more boring than that is watching grass NOT grow.

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by JShufelt on Mar 4, 2011 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

But to your point

no, not anymore, because I do it casually and for fun. I’ve been burned a couple times (like the first Nebraska game), but normally I do alright when I bet on UW, which is when I feel a line is good. When it was 70% of my income and I needed to cash out a piece of my bankroll to pay rent on a weekend full of good lines, then yes, I could.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

$5.50?

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

did you enjoy losing yours?

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell no.

(Speaking for David here)

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Like Penn State, Bama, USC, etc should not do it. FSU shouldn’t screw with the helmet. Other than that, go crazy. I like the Oregon all-white, silver helmet, crazy socks.

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

It certainly has served it's purpose

and people have taken notice of Oregon. I’m just not a fan of gimmicky stuff in my sports, I hated the Seahawks alternates last year as well for the same reason.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean the crossing guard unis?

That color was mighty close to the chartreuse neon on the BCS unis.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I just find that crap ugly

I looked a picture of the way I dressed in HS and I suppose I see why kids like em. I like CFB because of the tradition, and I can respect having all the combos, because it really does seem to please the players…but are you all really that blind to understand where people who hate them are coming from?

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

no. we understand. its just funny. we make fun of everything just as much – uni’s, Deep in the Woods, etc.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

the court looks terrible on TV at first but in person, i guess its way better.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I want to take in a game there

it’s a beautiful building. I might if I visit some family when UW or a big name NC comes to town.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

about the ugliest things I’ve ever seen (uniformwise) are those ugly purple helmets the Huskies wore in the 90s

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

weren’t even the right purple

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't find any pictures. What did they look like?

He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.

by qrsouther on Mar 4, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I found a pic

but it’s pretty buried in google. Ah, here we go:
They did a ridiculously good job erasing it from history.

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 4, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty sure that was Lambright's doing

It’s a tradition in CFB that an incoming coach makes his mark on the team by changing up the helmets, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot.
Cas did it (put a green stripe down the center),
Frei did it (changed to a solid green with no stripe),
Enright did it (yellow helmet with a Packer stripe),
Read did it (put the UO logo on Enright’s hat).
Brooks left it alone (he played with the uni striping instead).
Bellotti did it (pulled the stripes off the helmet).

By the time Chip took over the whole “helmet change” concept was kind of a moot point.

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by benzduck on Mar 5, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

We understand.

We just don’t give a shit. WE’RE FUCKING OREGON!

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

would that be the verb or the adjective?

… Because if its the verb, that’s just fucked up (adjective)

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Mar 4, 2011 12:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the problem.

Everybody wants to fuck Oregon.

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by benzduck on Mar 4, 2011 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Resisting the urge toward paranoia

Must resist.

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 4, 2011 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s an awfully tempting O.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"

by JShufelt on Mar 4, 2011 8:18 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It's cause

we have loud, screaming O’s.

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 4, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Simultaneous ones at that.

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by benzduck on Mar 5, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm old enough to TOTALLY understand.

If my dad was still alive he’d be turning over in his grave with the uniforms.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's nice to fall back on a position that has no argument on the other side.

Here’s one for you: In the history of the Pac-10, one team managed to go 12-0 with a win over every other team, and one pulled off an 0-12.

Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.

by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Really though, it's kind of stupid because you've kicked our asses all around lately

I was more informing the FSU guy about why his comment on the teams without much tradition going apeshit on uniforms thing was funny to me.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

No

because we have a richer history than you, and it’s really the only thing we can hold over you for the past 10 years. Not that we’re Bama or Notre Dame.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of tradition

Guess which team in the history of the UW-UO rivalry has the longest winning streak?

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

/raises hand

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

That shouldn't be a problem.

It's spelled "A-R-R-O-G-A-N-T"
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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

not sure he will. why go to the SEC only to get fired if he goes 7-5 one year. we’re still happy just to get to the big game.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll bet he stays for a while

I was just throwing barbs with you guys.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

speaking of...

that was perhaps the most entertaining exchange of biting one-liners I’ve ever seen between UW-UO. Not just the quality, but the continuity! Well done, sir!

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Chip is immortal.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

i’ll put $5 on us getting close.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

i wonder if Scott Frost has given him tips on how to play Safety in the NFL yet.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

“No, no no Jake, you hold the clipboard in your left hand so you can make stat marks with your right hand”

“Oh yeah, thanks coach”

Matt Takimoto's Shake Weight
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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, those Arena League coaches are STRICT.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

do they sell UFL jerseys? can i make one?

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Game worn baby!

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Tedford’s fault!

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends on how you define "tradition".

UW is no longer a traditional power, if they ever were one. They had a period of roughly 20 years where they won a lot of Pac10 titles and a few Rose Bowls. They split a NC.

But before that, they were pretty mediocre, except for the first few seasons of the Jim Owens era. Sure, they had Hugh McIlhenny, but meh.

There’s always a whelp fan who will drag out Gil Dobie’s record. Again, you can’t argue with people like that, other than to point out that Dobie’s unbeaten string came at the expense of teams like Lincoln High School, Seattle High, the USS Milwaukee, Queen Anne High, Bremerton Navy, Everett High, Aberdeen High, and the Rainier Valley Athletic Club.

UW wasn’t ranked #1 by any poll until sometime in 1984, IIRC.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

At this point, going crazy with our unis

IS our tradition.

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

And added a black jersey this year even though there’s no black in their color scheme? Not only are you stupid, but you’re copying stupid, and not looking very good while being stupid.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

…and they stole our gimmicky zone read. pshaw!

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

It's Oregon envy.

Frankly, we should be flattered.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

doesn’t UW realize that black is Oregon State’s color?

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

oregon state fan gets mad at us too.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't apologize for size.

You must not diminish the awesome.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

i was making a joke about Oregon State fans thinking they have a monopoly on black (which is not a color, and is not, in fact, an official color for them)

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Woosh...

is the sound that’s made when UO/OSU jokes go over my head.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe that sound is

SWOOSH

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 3, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

The joke is when anybody says the words

Oregon State (insert sport here).
Every time I tell that joke, the whole room starts laughing.

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't get it.

Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.

by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

If I insert baseball

is it still funny?

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 4, 2011 6:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Oregon State Tennis

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-K-Y"

by JShufelt on Mar 4, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Moving right along....

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 4, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Well thanks!

I hate the media sometimes….

"David Paulson dropped a ball one time just to see what it felt like. But he didn't like it so he decided not to do it again." -Mark Asper

by Mill_Duck on Mar 3, 2011 7:11 PM PST reply actions  

reply fail... sorry.

"David Paulson dropped a ball one time just to see what it felt like. But he didn't like it so he decided not to do it again." -Mark Asper

by Mill_Duck on Mar 3, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

so oregon got duped into paying a little more than cost. silly oregon. nothing to see here.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

this is what i was thinking … what person hasn’t been screwed out of more money than they should have spent at least once in their lives

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

never tried buying a car, eh?

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

slimeballs talking you into spending too much money

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

whoever buys the NorthEast package is getting ripped off.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey now

I was a 179 lb nose tackle

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 3, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Well NEP hates you

and thinks you’re not worth part of a $5k scouting package.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

While I was a varsity player and lettered on my single A HS football team in SW Washington

I was definitely not worthy of any $5 scouting package, let alone $5k

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 3, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Single A WIAA football is the balls

I love to catch small school games in the area when I can.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's what I learned from gridironsource.com

Cam Newton is big! He’s bigger than almost everyone on Oregon’s defense! And tall! He can fall forward and get the ball in the end zone! He’s big and tall!! And he’s fast!!! And quick!!!! Amazing! And he has an amazing arm!!!!!

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Needs moar exclamation pointz.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 3, 2011 7:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

cool

If oregon paid way more then anyone else that they deserve this public bashing. If they paid the same, then the oregon bashing just proves oregon is finally a major player in college football before a game is played.

question for bud elliot or anyone else in the “know”
If we know how many players lyles had listed do we know any of the names?
was oregon looking at any of them that went elsewhere?
do people really think uo stole/paid for james(who has said he wanted to go to texas but never got an offer) and thomas(who has said he wanted to go to lsu but they wouldnt let him play qb)?
any list of flenory clients?

#88

by pipgras on Mar 3, 2011 7:25 PM PST reply actions  

Meanwhile, DEEP IN THE WOODS, oregon loses by 20. when does spring practice start again?

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:39 PM PST reply actions  

I am pretty mixed on this.

Everybody knows that schools pay tens of thousands of dollars a year to recruiting services. However the amount paid to Lyles seems pretty damn high.

Oregon didnt do anything to hide these transactions, which is probably a good sign. We’ll see.

Definitively proving that a person steered a player to a school seems difficult to do…

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by CaDuck on Mar 3, 2011 7:50 PM PST reply actions  

in case you need cheering up – ole miss’ Jeremiah Masoli Appreciation Thread. 1 comment.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/2/28/2019738/jeremiah-masoli-ole-miss-rebels-season-review

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:59 PM PST reply actions  

i just realized that the name of the website is teamspeedkills.com. that is funny.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

With respect to these developments

I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed.

I thought we would be above this and not deal with people that are thought to be shady. I hadn’t heard about Flenory until recently, but Lyles is known to have a not-so-good reputation if you believe the people in the know for Texas HS football.

I’d rather not have success come at the expense of principle. Yes, this might not be against the rules, but paying a guy like Lyles is on the verge of bending them. And in my opinion, it leaves a black eye on the program and on Chip Kelly.

This is not good.

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 8:02 PM PST reply actions  

Regarding Lyles:

Is there anyone who believes Lyles is “shady” who is not somehow associated with Texas football, specifically the University of at Austin?

I read the articles in barkingcarnival and recruitocosm, and there’s a lot of judgement-leaping and let’s-assuming and post-hoc-ergo-propter-hocking going on there. A lot of it looks like preemptive sour grape production.

Anyway, I’m not sure if I should be disappointed OR mad right now. I’m pleased that the payments themselves appear to have been made completely above-board.

If there’s a smoking gun email somewhere showing that Oregon expected Lyles to deliver Seastrunk or Wallace to them in return for a cash payment, I’ll quickly go right beyond disappointed to bloody pissed off. But I guess this is what’s being investigated.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, plenty of people in Florida, Cali, Georgia, etc.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, but the only ones who seem to be writing about it are in Texas. At least that I’ve found. If you have other sources please share, we need the background.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

What gives you the impression that Lyles is associated with UT football?

Just because Longhorns fan sites have been digging up a lot of this dirt all along?

Then we'll write our own bible, with less Sodom and more Gomorrah.

by burntorangehorn on Mar 4, 2011 6:18 AM PST up reply actions  

And in my opinion, it leaves a black eye on the program and on Chip Kelly.

I very much disagree with this. If it turns out they are violating rules, then sure, it’s a black eye. But this is the game of college football recruiting. This is obviously an issue where you could get close to violations, so the coaching staff should be extra careful that doesn’t happen.

But let’s be real. College football has been corrupt as long as it has been around. And that’s not going away anytime soon. The NCAA is a corrupt and pathetic organization. You have to associate with all types of people if you’re going to be successful. You don’t have to sink to their level, but you do have to work with them if you want to not only be successful on the field, but help athletes on and off the field.

The main reason I don’t care all that much about the street agent issue is that Chip Kelly has done a great job on and off the field. His players work hard at football and in the classroom. If Kelly and company were breaking rules, that’s one thing. But if they are following the rules, I find it hard to fault them.

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by jtlight on Mar 3, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel like if Kelly WERE paying to get Seastrunk he wouldn’t have redshirted him

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but we’re clever like that, see.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

We can agree to disagree then
But let’s be real. College football has been corrupt as long as it has been around. And that’s not going away anytime soon. The NCAA is a corrupt and pathetic organization. You have to associate with all types of people if you’re going to be successful. You don’t have to sink to their level, but you do have to work with them if you want to not only be successful on the field, but help athletes on and off the field.

This is a dangerous game we are playing. In essence, you’re saying that because college football is corrupt, associating with people that have reputations for being corrupt is okay, as long as we aren’t corrupt. I’m sorry, but it’s not okay. I don’t care if college football recruiting happens like this in the SEC. I don’t care if it’s the norm. We should NOT be doing it, and we should not be skirting the rules, period.

Minor recruiting violations that happen without anyone’s knowledge or without warning are one thing. But Lyles has a lousy reputation, and our program should be paying attention. From all that I’ve read, the man is one step away from being a booster and landing us in hot water. We should know better. I’d rather pass on a recruit or two that associates with these people. I’d give up winning and top 10 recruiting classes if we had to, just to run a program with integrity. I’d like to think Oregon is above the rule bending that is going on in NCAA football.

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d rather pass on a recruit or two that associates with these people.

You’d rather pass on LaMichael James? Because he was associated with Lyles, and James invited Lyles to attend the Home Depot Awards Show earlier this year.

You keep saying these things like Oregon is skirting the rules, etc. How exactly have we skirted the rules? Because we’re paying for “recruiting services,” whatever that may mean (it likely means a shot at recruiting that player). If Oregon has broken the rules, then I’ll be with you, but until the point, I reject that this is some sort of black mark on the program.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 3, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Paying money to these "recruiting services"

Sounds a lot like paying money to get our name in the head of the recruit to me. That is skirting the rules. You have to be totally naive to believe that isn’t going on. Otherwise, what the heck would we be paying $25,000 for? Highlight videos? A couple of camps? Given the context of what other recruiting services cost, I’m quite skeptical of this.

And if I was a coach out recruiting, and I had word that a player was associating with a guy like Lyles, I wouldn’t recruit him. It doesn’t matter who the player is, whether it’s James or someone else. Remember that James almost broke rules with the loaner car from that other shady gang-banger that was his “mentor” in school. I wasn’t happy about that either.

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The point is...

recruiting services like this aren’t against NCAA rules, despite how unseemly they may appear. It’s a clear example of the NCAA looking the other way on ethics, but it’s everyone is allowed to play by the same shitty rules.

Coaches who agree with you and don’t solicit this outlets have a name. They’re called Division III coaches.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

There are probably some services that do offer a legitimate product.

Providing scouting, camps, etc. There’s a way to do this without going the unseemly route.

I’m not saying this is against NCAA rules, nor is it in any way provable, I’m just disappointed that we are involved.

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

there are A LOT of high school football players … if you’re going to recruit nationwide, how would you hear about the kids that are worth your time and money to actively recruit if it weren’t for recruiting services?

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not generalizing to all services

But certainly the one run by Lyles has come under a great deal of scrutiny, and I hate to see us in the middle of this mess. See my message above, I think this can be done without attracting negative attention to the program.

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

ahem...

It's spelled "A-R-R-O-G-A-N-T"
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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Awwww, da kitty's wearin' a lil' tie!

That made my day/night better.

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry to say, that ship has sailed.

PK is a businessman, as are all the big donors. They’ve made their investment and the pressure on the University is for that investment to pay off. I don’t like it any more than the next guy, but there it is. People are going to go to the bleeding edge to make things happen. Just the way things are. Nice locker rooms and crazy fans will only do so much for kids who can get that anywhere in the country. And we’re competing against teams that will demonstrably go much further to get kids.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

On the bright side

The headline on ESPN is fun:

“Sources: Man who helps Ducks probed”

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 8:06 PM PST reply actions  

I would be worried if not for the truth that rings from this line:
This is no different than services purchased by a number of colleges and universities throughout the country.

So, what’s the big deal here?

He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.

by qrsouther on Mar 3, 2011 8:27 PM PST reply actions  

This is a wild exaggeration. At this point, we don’t know what other teams have paid Lyles, one of the top street agents around. For what we paid Flenory, that seems on par with most of the small time street agents.

Also, all these guys work with a large number of athletes that sign all over the place. It’s all about context, and none has been provided so far.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 3, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but 28K?

Seems like a lot.

War Mallard.

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 3, 2011 8:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

We paid far more than that in overall recruiting service costs…

25k to one guy may seem like a lot, but you are saying that with no context.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 3, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, I do have context.

We paid around 2K to a company in Nashville, and 8K to one in NorCal.

War Mallard.

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 3, 2011 8:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You have no idea what services those groups provided to Oregon compared to Lyles.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 3, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

None of us do.

However, I can be paranoid and speculate all I want.

It just doesn’t add up in my mind. You obviously don’t feel the same way. That’s okay. I respect your opinion, and I will respectfully disagree with you.

War Mallard.

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 3, 2011 8:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

There are reasons for worry, but we don’t know what the staff knows. But simply saying, “25,000 seems like a lot” is meaningless at this point, and that number is being used to drive the controversy.

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by jtlight on Mar 3, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally agreed.

You should hop on Van Dyke’s Facebook status about this and clarify a few things. He’s awfully convinced that we’re guilty of something.

I think he’s just mad because he has blue balls.

He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.

by qrsouther on Mar 3, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you TQA

This is fishy, and while the NCAA likely won’t find any wrong doing because it’s impossible to prove without one of these street agents being dumb enough to make it obvious, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

OF course it doesn't add up.

You don’t have anything to “add” yet! What is the point of trying to decide whether or not it is out of the ordinary until you have even the slightest idea of what the context is.

I don’t understand how anyone can begin to make a conclusion until they look at an average college football expenditure on this service.

by netminder82 on Mar 3, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Do we even know if that 28K was for 1 year only?

For all we know it’s a 5-year contract, right?

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

We would if there was a written contract.

Ha ha! I crack me up.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Not trying to be on your case about it all, but what's your point of comparison here?

He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.

by qrsouther on Mar 3, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Those slobbering Cam Newton videos are expensive to produce.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

They were getting paid regardless for their recruiting service.

He was only five-foot-three but girls could not resist his stare... Chip Kelly never got called an asshole.

by qrsouther on Mar 3, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, yabbut..

we also paid to people with relationships with players who didn’t sign with us.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Needs to be reiterated:

At this point, the NCAA is investigating these “street agents” and “recruiting services,” not UO. Lyles has been named, and his services have been purchased by the Ducks. The Ducks were in the BCSNCG, ergo they are the sexy name to put on the ESPN reader crawl.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Not true any longer.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
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by Bud Elliott on Mar 4, 2011 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Chip is the kind of coach who might walk up to the line

but not cross it.

I expect nothing less. Do whatever is within the rules to field the most competitive team you can. If you don’t you aren’t trying.

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by flyduckfly on Mar 3, 2011 8:36 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

exactly this … if something is within the rules, you do it

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by echo31 on Mar 3, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Just watched it on ESPN again...

They had a guy on the phone “close to the investigation” – who as we find out in the phone interview, hasn’t talked to Oregon or to Lyles (“couldn’t be reached by phone”) and says that it’s an investigation by a reporter (most likely at ESPN) and said at the end that this “should interest the NCAA”, meaning to me that it’s not an investigation instigated by the NCAA, but by ESPN (or another writer) and the writer thinks it’s hinky.

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by Mill_Duck on Mar 3, 2011 8:52 PM PST reply actions  

IOW some good ol' boy from Tejas called his buddy at ESPN...

…and said “help me keep all these boys from heading to Oreegone.”

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Just noticed this:
Oregon’s payment to Lyles was made shortly after Seastrunk signed a national letter of intent in February 2010 to play football for the Ducks, choosing them over California, LSU and USC.

(emphasis added)

Seems to me that if this was a shady arrangement, the payment would have been made before Lache signed his LOI.

You don’t normally pay hookers after service is rendered. At least, that’s what I hear.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:34 PM PST reply actions  

You don’t normally pay hookers after service is rendered. At least, that’s what I hear.

Good save.

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

not necessairly

I could easily see a situation in which you say “you get $25K If he signs a LOI”

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by David Piper on Mar 3, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

it says something similar in the recruitocosom article you linked to. The part about Taj Boyd.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Really too bad we didn't get Boyd.

Then people would really be pissed off.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

i want to see Clemson’s financial records!

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I have them. They are not doing it via scouting service as of late.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

so why do kids go there? we were confused on NSD.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

They have a tremendou$ booster base and a lot of tradition, albeit not in the last 20 years. Some other stuff too.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

i think we’ve lost 2 to them: Boyd and McNeal which were both late switches if i remember correctly. oh and that DE this year Byers?

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

They bought a kid from us this year, a major kid, and they will get busted. That is a desperate coaching staff with a rich booster base and an unsupportive admin.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

then again, i support paying kids. i’m only opposed if its only the adults making cash but that’s a different topic.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Completely agree. How can baseball have minor leagues but football and hoops not? Could argue it is racist.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 3, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd bet it has more to do with the revenue factor in both

College Baseball makes no money, so they’re not trying to lock those kids into 3+ years of slave labor.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

i think every college sport should be go pro after HS or stay 3 years and if we’re selling your jersey/like-ness, you get money put into a trust till you graduate or go pro.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

That's about my take on it as well

although I’d add something like 5% of the net revenue from the conference gets divided as a stipend for the players.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

But I could just as easily a situation in which we say, “scout for us until signing day, then we’ll pay you”.

by k_dubious on Mar 3, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

What's the end game here?

If the money is out in the open and allowed to be spent on these services, then what would exactly what cause problems for the program? Even if it is determined that the money was in the upper limit of what is paid to these guys, I don’t understand what exactly anyone would find to trigger a violation.

It is going to take someone actively saying " Lyles TOLD me to go to Oregon." or proof that Lyles basically handed the money over to a recruit, right? We can talk until we are blue in the face about the situation, but I am still not coming up with a situation in which Oregon is in hot water.

by netminder82 on Mar 3, 2011 9:38 PM PST reply actions  

but I am still not coming up with a situation in which Oregon is in hot water.

Because they’re not. The NCAA is looking into these recruiting services (most like to close some loop holes in how they are paid, put them under better supervision, and understand what services they actually offer) and NOT Oregon.

/insert haters gonna hate gif here

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

If you say so

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 4, 2011 6:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Somehow they’d have to determine that Lyles or Flenory or whoever met the criteria to be defined as a “booster”.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a booster who took money FROM the school. Usually, quite the opposite.

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by benzduck on Mar 3, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not so much being in hot water

as it is leaving a bad taste in a lot of fans’ mouths. We feel that we should be standing a good safe distance from the line, not toeing it. By some of the arguments I’ve seen here, you could argue that the ridiculous oversigning Saban is doing is ‘within the rules’ (and indeed, it technically is), but it goes against ethics, sportsmanship, and general fairness. Obviously, msot major powers take any loophole the rules will give them, but it’s always unpleasant to find out your school could be one of those that say “well, yeah, but we didn’t TECHNICALLY break the rules.”

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by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I agree with this

That was my main point above, that while for now it doesn’t seem like we broke any rules, we are toeing that line as you said.

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Lascola has worked in the scouting business providing film to schools for more than 30 years, and he said Thursday that he had never heard of Lyles. But Lascola said a service would have to provide a lot of video to justify a $25,000 tab. According to state of Oregon records, the University of Oregon paid Lascola’s Fallbrook, Calif., based Scouting Evaluation Association $17,010 in 2008-09 and $2,600 in 2009-10. For those fees, Lascola said, Oregon received video cutups of players in Southern California produced by Lascola, his son and a staff of videographers that canvassed Southern California filming games. Lascola said he sold his service to several Pac-10 schools. Payments for his service also show up in public records from Texas A&M and Clemson. Lascola sold his company to XOS last year and now coordinates videographers in 39 states for the company, which sells prospect video to schools. XOS Digital also provides digital video delivery services for several schools and conferences.

Lascola now works at XOS Digital with Gary Howard, whose NorCal Scouting service also counted Oregon as a client before it was absorbed by XOS. In 2008-09, Oregon paid Howard’s company $18,200, according to records.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/03/04/oregon.payments.insider/index.html#ixzz1FbjLwXkF

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/03/04/oregon.payments.insider/index.html?eref=sihp

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 9:58 PM PST reply actions  

So 25k

is not looking like an outlier whatsoever.

by netminder82 on Mar 3, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

So 25k

is not looking like an outlier whatsoever.

by netminder82 on Mar 3, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

so basically UT saw the SMU 30 for 30 and is trying to do the same thing to us. i can’t wait till next time i’m in Austin with my Duck gear on. i wish i could buy a Lache jersey.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Holy Crap I Drank Too Much

I didn’t drink THAT much, but i just got through an entire article on Oregonlive (I got there via Twitter, not really scouring the sources, just looking at reactions, any and all) and not until the end did I realize that I was reading a Canzano article.

Holy. Shit.

I just read the most negatively-biased interpretation of this entire situation. There’s some aggressive things being said out there, but everyone is being slow to respond with real condemnation. Instead, Canzano comes with a host of un-named sources and “general sentiments” of darkness.

The compliance office knew about it, we kept it in public record, it was clearly legal at the time, and I’m not stressed. But man, I hate Jon Canzano

...GO DOUG...

by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Mar 3, 2011 10:16 PM PST reply actions  

read the same thing. basically he wants us to be BYU and have a strict Honor Code.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe the honor code at BYU

Applies to all students right? Good luck with that at a State U.

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by QuackinAK on Mar 3, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure Oregon looks really small

from that lofty perch JC lives on.

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by Matt Daddy on Mar 3, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

this thing about every taking shots at us is still weird. i forget that other people actually care about Oregon now.

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Also read this SI article

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/03/04/oregon.payments.insider/index.html?eref=sihp

This SI article, if you take a step back, is really about the crazy outsourcing of recruiting of high school kids these days by all colleges, Oregon is just the one who gets the brunt of it. This is a guy who USED to get paid big bucks by oregon to do so, now he’s being upstaged by some new kid. So this guys is giving all the damning quotes, but he’s not very very biased, right?

But no matter, the price we paid, $25k, is a lot. Maybe we’re just bad negotiators?

...GO DOUG...

by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Mar 3, 2011 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Because that guy runs a legit service, where Lyles sells players. He is frustrated that Lyles is giving the industry a bad name.

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 4, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I realized I sounded like Canzano earlier

I’m going to crawl into a hole and sob silently to myself now.

by emc503 on Mar 4, 2011 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Meh. I've seen this movie.

Questions are asked, the NCAA finds nothing, and then Sandra Bullock wins an Oscar.

by grimc on Mar 3, 2011 10:18 PM PST reply actions  

I'd rather the NCAA find something

than Sandra Bullock win another goddamn Oscar.

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by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

In the wake of the Yahoo and ESPN reports, a source familiar with the NCAA’s examination of possible recruiting impropriety involving the Oregon football program told me late Thursday that NCAA investigators will be in Eugene on Friday to initiate a more direct inspection of the recruiting tactics of school’s football program. I’m told the NCAA’s imminent presence in Eugene was in response to revelations in the Yahoo and ESPN reports published Thursday. Before the dueling, breaking news broke Thursday, the NCAA had no plans to be in Eugene.

have fun flying into the Eugene airport. should we make welcome signs?

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/exclusive-ncaa-investigators-to-descend-on-eugene-29540

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:21 PM PST reply actions  

glorified gossip

IMO

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 3, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Respected newspaper guy who went independent to make more money.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 4, 2011 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

ESPN made Neil Everett read the Oregon story. what next? they release The Duck from his commercial contract???

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:31 PM PST reply actions  

Next thing we know, they’re gonna make keeerrrttt take down his YouTube channel.

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by Takimoto on Mar 3, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Too soon!

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If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

It would seem to me that the burden is now on Oregon to produce the info that was provided to them for the cost.

And honestly if they cant do that, I am a little disappointed. Cause you always have to cover those tracks.

Seriously though it would would seem rather stupid to pay someone directly out of your accounts which are available online as a public institution. Unless…they thought it seemed so stupid no one would would think they would do it…

Whatever happened to the good ol days of caddie’s and trailers?

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by My Name is Bryce on Mar 3, 2011 10:34 PM PST reply actions  

What it really comes down to in my mind is this:

The good ol’ boys down in Texas buy into the same line of thinking as the Marvin Martians at USCw, which is “why would (player X) go to Oregon rather than USC (Texas)? They HAVE to bve cheating! Let’s sic some reporters and PI’s on it and stir up some dirt.”

Didn’t matter much when it was just a midget RB nobody wanted or an “Athlete” that wanted to go to LSU. BUT now it’s 4 and 5 star guys like Seastrunk and Wallace, and THAT gets peoples attention.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:36 PM PST reply actions  

Musta really sucked

when we yanked Seastrunk out from under them and then redshirt him. I’m going to be in fits of laughter if he gets less than 20 touches next season.

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Lache’s top schools according to ESPN were: Cal, SC, Auburn, LSU and Memphis (!).

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by NEP on Mar 3, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

IIRC, he was a lock for SC right up until Petey quit.

Or at least until it was clear that he was GOING to quit.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That actually makes good sense

why would we pay to recruit a guy that didn’t even consider us? Did we predict that Pete was gonna scram for the NFL?
Seems like Texas digging up stuff for the lulz when you mention his top school list. His mom said they were pretty close, but she never mentioned whether Lyles was pointing towards a specific school or not.

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm curious if that matters

or if it’s just enough that he was an adviser and technically a “booster”. If so, every school that’s paid him and landed a kid he “advised” could be in hot water.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Heck, maybe every school that paid him, period!

Even if they didn’t get the kid, that’s still recruiting through a “booster”, right?

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess

but they’d have to at least given an offer of some kind to the kid, right? I’ve just blown my own mind.

by B Money on Mar 3, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

That's some Dark Knight level

Batman Gambit shit right there.

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Exactly right.

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Which goes to the point I made on the other thread:

Oregon is being singled out because of its recent success. People are all “so SHINY!!! OOOOOH!” They’re missing the ORIGINAL focus of this, which was NOT the schools but the “street agents” or whatever you want to call ’em.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn’t matter.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 4, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 4, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

This is true

Somebody is pissed in Texas and has an axe to grind. We are getting made an example of here.

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Yunno what?

As much as I don’t like the idea of what might have happened, lets not be usc. Wait and see, wait and see. I may have jumped to premature conclusions about this, simply because I want to believe that oregon is somehow better. Maybe we are, maybe we aren’t, but lets wait before we get our panties in a bunch. And yes, I got riled up earlier too.

by emc503 on Mar 3, 2011 10:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Good god this rumormongering escalated quickly.

It is going to be tough to remain patient through all of this.

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by CaDuck on Mar 3, 2011 10:58 PM PST reply actions  

When it becomes a full-blown investigation

As the NCAA is now conducting (coming to Eugene tomorrow), it’s time to PANIC.

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH

Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 3, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

X

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 3, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

MY ANUS IS BLEEDING!

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by Gorbachav5 on Mar 3, 2011 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa

That’s kind of out of left field.

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 3, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

It's really not

I had assumed from that gif that you knew who Don Hertzfeld was.

Depending on your mood, you may or may not find this funny. The first time I saw it, I thought it was hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuOvqeABHvQ

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by Gorbachav5 on Mar 4, 2011 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Go to about the 5 minute mark and watch the cartoon and you’ll find the reference.

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by Gorbachav5 on Mar 4, 2011 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, you're right I had no idea

I stumbleuponed this site once and imagined that that was a good Panic! gif.

Thanks for the education now I have context.

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 4, 2011 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Gorby for this...

It totally hit the spot, seriously.

"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"

by QuackinAK on Mar 4, 2011 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you play water polo after a sensitive surgery again, Gorby?

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 4, 2011 6:25 AM PST up reply actions  

It seems like a good sign that the NCAA didnt even know/care about any of this until yesterday.

But then again, they are pretty much incompetent so that may not be saying much.

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by CaDuck on Mar 3, 2011 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If they actually decide to bring the hammer down

Based on whatever they decide, as we all know the NCAA scoffs at these things called “facts”, I don’t think it will be a major blow for us. Minor penalties (loss of a few schollies) at worst. This is not a great day to be a Duck though.

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by baseb3383 on Mar 3, 2011 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

This has been a tough week for the Ducks!

Basketball has imploded, baseball is off to a slow start, and football is under the national microscope . . . glad I’m off to Maui where I can leave these messes behind for a week.

by Ducks73 on Mar 3, 2011 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh.

THEY’RE ALREADY THERE! UO IS ALREADY ON DOUBLE-SECRET PROBATION, UNCONFIRMED REPORTS FROM UNNAMED SOURCES I JUST MADE UP IN MY HEAD THIS SECOND ARE SAYING.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Mar 3, 2011 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

/deanwormer'd

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 4, 2011 6:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I think one of my favorite repeated-ad-nauseum implications

is that “Lyles was paid shortly after Seastrunk signed his LOI.” If I may offer a slightly different phrasing…

“Lyles was paid shortly after the end of the recruiting cycle.” I guess that doesn’t have the same ring to it.

by omb on Mar 4, 2011 12:01 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Exactly

Lyles was paid shortly after everyone signed their LOI. Which was also the point at which Oregon no longer had a pressing need to scout potential recruits.

There are some shady things about Lyles, but the timing of his paycheck isn’t one of them.

by k_dubious on Mar 4, 2011 1:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Journalists. They’re cunning linguists, one and all.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 4, 2011 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

This Just In...

Internet people are full of shit.

Oregon Ducks. Undefeated during regular season vs SEC since 1977.

by benzduck on Mar 4, 2011 12:37 AM PST reply actions  

WTF guys?

I got sick and went the Urgent Care Clinic tonight. Nothing super serious but I’m all juiced up on antibiotics and industrial strength cough suppressant.

So I go there, I get back home, and suddenly the Oregon Ducks have joined the SEC. What the hell is going on? Can’t you keep things together for one damn night while I’m away? I guess there is a positive side to all this: We now have confirmed ESS-EEE-SEE speed which is sure to help us next year.

by JonathanPDX on Mar 4, 2011 12:48 AM PST reply actions  

I think we should pay NWA to make an updated version of "Fuck tha Police" for us.

“Fuck tha NCAA”.

Unfortunately, our friends at the NCAA would probably look down upon that. Besides, Ice Cube isn’t an NWA anymore. He likes starring in family-friendly shows on TBS.

Alas, my dream is dead.

War Mallard.

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 4, 2011 5:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

budelliot

Thanks for bringing your knowledge to our site to help talk us through it. It is muchly appreciated, even if we are combative at times (which hopefully is understandable).

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by ProbablyMonty on Mar 4, 2011 7:09 AM PST reply actions  

YYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

The only thing going on here as far as the I of O is concerned is a bunch of reporters trying to make a story.

On a deeper level we are seeing the development of basketball type AAU high school programs becoming more important in high school football.

by ursula on Mar 4, 2011 7:36 AM PST reply actions  

i miss the good ol’ days of star players getting busted for pot.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Mar 4, 2011 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

It should be noted

That if we were going to pay to have an adantag in signing a player, it would be a 600Lb gorilla who happens to play DT. Why would we pay to get yet another running back?

by QuackWhore on Mar 4, 2011 8:20 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Advantage****

by QuackWhore on Mar 4, 2011 8:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

And it was after we saw LMJ break out

and kick ass. Would we REALLY have paid so much to get this one kid?

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If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by Brass-billed on Mar 4, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The best way for Oregon to get out of this is for Lyles to quickly distance himself from the “mentor” tag, which implies a confidential relationship, as does dating Lache’s mother, and instead play the “trainer only” tag, which would seem to me to be legal. Then somehow explain the money.

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 4, 2011 8:24 AM PST reply actions  

Let’s be honest, Oregon knows exactly what it paid 25k for. That makes me assume they have a pretty good way to explain it.

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by jtlight on Mar 4, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah....if the AD is anything like company, large checks have to be signed off/reviewed by Controller/CFO type ($25k seems like a large expenditure)

Combine that with the compliance department knowing that these Camps are a sensitive topic…….they have something to provide as support.

by ppilot on Mar 4, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

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