Cliff Harris' traffic history should have no bearing on his football status
by jtlight on Jun 15, 2011 10:48 AM PDT
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Cliff Harris has made headlines in the last week, for getting pulled over for going 118 with a suspended license. To top it off, he was driving a rental car that was in the name of a university employee. UO compliance is trying to get to the bottom of the rental car situation, and this may be the most important part of this discussion, as Harris' use of that car could end up being an NCAA violation. But that's not what has some people up in arms. Cliff's apathy towards traffic laws has been a near-constant during his time at Oregon. According to Rob Moseley:
Harris, a native of Fresno, Calif., is not licensed to drive in either California or Oregon, and has been cited for speeding and driving without a license in Oregon no less than three times, including just last month.
Predictably, this has led to a whole host of outrage among the media. John Canzano has already called for Cliff to be suspended for the season opener against LSU. Always the voice of moderation and reason, he wrote that Harris is "self-destructing." From a speeding ticket. But Canzano isn't the story here. He's always bound to say something ridiculous.
But Canzano's overall feeling, that Cliff should be suspended for the season opener, seems to be becoming the norm. On College Football Live yesterday, John Hunt framed the debate in this manner, saying that Chip Kelly had to decide what to do with Harris, coming at the argument under the assumption that something had to be done about Harris. In fact, he later said on Canzano's radio show that Kelly should step in. It also seems that there is a large number of Duck fans that agree, and believe that Harris should be punished by Coach Kelly.
While there's no doubt that Cliff Harris has made some very dumb decisions, I firmly disagree with this assessment. Cliff Harris' traffic history does not (significantly) impact his ability to be a productive member of society, to be a good student, or to be a leader on the football team.
There seems to be this underlying belief that because Cliff Harris broke a law, Chip Kelly must hold him accountable. This is absurd. It is not the job of Chip Kelly to ensure that his players follow the laws of any federal, state, or local government. It is the job of those governments to enforce their laws. Chip Kelly should hold his players to a standard, but that should be his standard, not the standard of the government. It is his job to educate young men, on and off the field. By all accounts, he's done that. The Oregon football team set a GPA record during the fall quarter.
It's also been very clear on this team, that when you do not live up to Chip's standards, you will face a heavy penalty. Players have missed playing time for not going to class. Jeremiah Masoli was kicked off the team. LeGarrette Blount missed 8 games. Kiko Alonso missed an entire year, and will likely miss a lot more. As far as I can tell, Chip has done an excellent job differentiating between real offenses, and the other meaningless actions that columnists love to rail against.
Cliff Harris deserves to face the consequences for his actions. He deserves to pay some hefty fines. He knew the possible consequences when he was driving, and he apparently did not care about that possibility. That was his decision.
But this decision should not affect Harris' football future. I mean, it was a freaking speeding ticket.
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Players have missed playing time for not going to class. Jeremiah Masoli was kicked off the team. LeGarrette Blount missed 8 games. Kiko Alonso missed an entire year, and will likely miss a lot more.
And some of those punishments were because of breaking the law, and some were not. What’s next? Are we going to find out which players aren’t paying their parking tickets on time and suspend them? I can’t wait till we have to argue whether some should be eligible because of J-walking.
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He wasn’t drinking, and no ones person or propert was injured. It’s a freaking speeding ticket, who cares?
People who drive that fast should get jail time.
There’s a significant risk of killing someone. Just because you got lucky and no one got hurt doesn’t mean you should get off free.
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by jtlight on Jun 15, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't agree that Cliff Harris...
deserves jail time but I do think he needs a suspension. Seriously, it was really boneheaded to make the decision to go 118 in the context in which he did it.
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by BisonDucks on Jun 15, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So because it was a boneheaded decision, he should be suspended? I don’t follow that logic at all.
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by jtlight on Jun 15, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was a boneheaded decision...
that reflected poorly on the program, whether desserved or not. It’s the current environment we’re in and we have to adapt to it – not the other way around. Cliff made his own bed.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
by BisonDucks on Jun 15, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Adapt to what? Being overzealous just to look good to people that don’t matter?
Cliff should be accountable for his actions, but I don’t think Chip Kelly has any part on that.
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by jtlight on Jun 15, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is still room for debate on whether or not...
this is a violation. We are not even talking about this, if cliff decides to drive 75 mph, instead of 118. I am sure the rental agreement was not run through compliance, and have to believe that breaks internal rules of our program. Transportation is a major isseu and you have to think he was well schooled on this.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
by BisonDucks on Jun 15, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The issue of an NCAA violation is totally separate from the issue at hand. If Cliff broke NCAA rules, he’ll need to do what is necessary to ensure that he is eligible. Extra suspension on top of that would be incredibly stupid.
But I still don’t know what your point is… Why should Cliff be suspended? Because he made a boneheaded play? To “adapt” to the media? How would that solve either problem?
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by jtlight on Jun 15, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Adapt to the regulatory environment...
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
by BisonDucks on Jun 15, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So that just means suspending players for making boneheaded decisions?
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by jtlight on Jun 15, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No,
it means showing a culture of compliance. Cliff secured the rental via a minor violation and then drove in excess of a 100 mph.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
by BisonDucks on Jun 15, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The speed Cliff was driving has absolutely nothing to do with the NCAA.
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by jtlight on Jun 15, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
c'mon, jlight,
you have deliberate on the entire context. Driving 118 in and of itself is not suspension worthy. Driving 118 while driving a car not in rented in your name is suspension worthy.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
by BisonDucks on Jun 15, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see no difference between the two circumstances. Driving 118 is driving 118, no matter whose name the car was in. It doesn’t make his decision to drive that fast any more or less boneheaded.
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by jtlight on Jun 15, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Our compliance department...
is working overtime because he got caught because he was driving 118. They are cleaning up after his mess.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
by BisonDucks on Jun 15, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The compliance department isn’t cleaning anything up. They are gathering the facts of the case and they will likely determine if Harris is eligible to play or not.
If they (and the NCAA) declare Harris eligible, then he should play. If he’s not, he shouldn’t. Making the compliance department do their job is not grounds for suspension.
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by jtlight on Jun 15, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay...
“cleaning” up his mess was not the best choice of words.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Suspended license?
How about that part?
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Driving 118 whiledriving a car not in rented in your name is suspension worthy.
That makes more sense. The speed has been the focus, but it’s not the issue.
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Do you even care that he has no license. You seem to overlook the fact that this is a not his first ticket. My question to you is: at what point should schools step in with regards to blatant disregard for the law?
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by PondJunky on Jun 15, 2011 12:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
His license wasn’t revoked, it was suspended. So… no – I’m not overlooking that. I’ve got my facts more in alignment actually.
My point is that the speeding violation, while the most shocking thing, is probably the least important thing.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
ok my bad
But you still didn’t answer my question. Should the school even care about none school related violations of the law?
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by PondJunky on Jun 15, 2011 1:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They have to. But the line where they DO and where people think they should are not drawn the same.
To remain both enrolled and a scholarship athlete, you have to maintain a specific criteria, violate that criteria, and you’ll have mandatory minimum suspension.
The fact is, it is ultimately not the responsibility to enforce the law on their students. That responsibility is with the police and sheriffs. They have performed adequately in this scenario. If further charges are brought up, then he may have different standards to be disciplined by.
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oh and....
Either way his driving privileges where not active. I feel entertainers should be held to a higher standards.
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by PondJunky on Jun 15, 2011 1:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Many people feel that way. For any amateur athlete, there is no higher standard they should be held when compared to anyone else.
As I said yesterday, that isn’t a higher standard, it’s a double standard.
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Why, because they are in college? That may work for the first couple of offenses, but multiple offenses of the same nature is inexcusable.
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by PondJunky on Jun 15, 2011 2:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Why in the world should entertainers be held to a different standard than the rest of us?
As a society, we fawn over them and coddle them, especially if they are gifted athletes, often from the time they’re in grade school. We let them get away with things we otherwise might not, due to their talents.
So you’re saying we should then expect them to then somehow obey a stricter set of rules than the rest of us have to?
And this should start happening when…once they are on TV and in the newspaper? When they are ‘adults’?
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
thank you
Exactly my point “we let them get away with stiff due to their talents” and we shouldn’t.
If he gets away with not showing up to court, driving without a valid drivers license multiple times we are doing just that. I don’t feel like perpetuating the problem.
And no they shouldn’t follow stricter rules. How about following the rules.
It should happen when they except a scholarship to represent Oregon.
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by PondJunky on Jun 15, 2011 3:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess...what are the "rules?"
Yes, he should have to show up for court dates. But what exactly happens if he doesn’t from an institutional perspective? What are those “rules?” I personally wouldn’t be against Kash missing LSU. It would piss me off, but that’s kind of the point, isn’t it? To be pissed off that he had to (avoidably) miss the game? And he should be pissed off that he was forced to sit.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
If he gets away with not showing up to court, driving without a valid drivers license multiple times we are doing just that. I don’t feel like perpetuating the problem.
That’s for the justice system to handle though, not his football coach, otherwise he is being held to a different standard than the rest of us. If I got a speeding ticket tomorrow, I’m not going to be suspended from playing football.
by echo31 on Jun 15, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not necessarily.
If only to show a player that it’s not OK to embarrass the university, his team, their fans and alumni, a player with an ongoing lack of judgment like this should be punished. The idea that these kids don’t understand all this is more than a little naive. Cliff didn’t come to UO because Eugene is quiet and he can fit in and be anonymous. There’s a reason he chose Oregon and not OSU or Wazzu. Profile.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Sir, do you think of chip as a father figure for these young men?
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by PondJunky on Jun 15, 2011 3:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That last question was for echo
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by PondJunky on Jun 15, 2011 3:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yes, I do and as such I think Cliff should have some sort of punishment, but more along the lines of running steps or having to miss a few practices or something else more internal and along the lines of a grounding
I agree, I have never claimed anything otherwise. I was only trying to establish that chip is in a father figure role. As a father, punishment will follow a kid home and I see the football team as his home. It’s how I would coach. Hopefully.players would learn that stupid decisions follow you everywhere so don’t be am idiot.
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by PondJunky on Jun 15, 2011 4:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree, I have never claimed anything otherwise. I was only trying to establish that chip is in a father figure role. As a father, punishment will follow a kid home and I see the football team as his home. It’s how I would coach. Hopefully.players would learn that stupid decisions follow you everywhere so don’t be am idiot.
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by PondJunky on Jun 15, 2011 4:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
As a father, yes I do
I can also tell you I would rip my kid a new one if he/she did something like this and they’d pay a hefty toll working off the ticket charge and increased insurance rates.
If their coach (Tennis, football, Taekwondo, etc) called me and asked my opinion on whether they should be suspended from playing because of it, my answer would be no.
P.S. If I was Kiko’s Dad, I would have wanted him kicked off the team. Just for reference.
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i dont think he should be kicked of the team. Punished yes. I am just tired of people making it sound like his accumulative record warrants nothing and is no big deal.
I guess I find not showing up to court, not paying tickets while driving without a license a complete disregard for the law and will never be excusable in my eyes.
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by PondJunky on Jun 15, 2011 4:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think anyone is saying he needs to go unpunished. He needs to suffer consequences to his actions, but I don’t think suspension plus the legal ramifications he needs to deal with is proper punishment.
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Because they are an amateur. Even in a broader sense, holding anyone to a higher standard is just putting them up on a podium they never asked to be on, and then we flip out when they get knocked off of it.
The concept of holding someone to a higher standard, unless they put themselves in a position of political or religious leadership, is just a double standard.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
It's about the pattern of reckless behavior
I don’t have a problem with him getting a ticket, but when we find out that he has repeatedly gotten in trouble for the EXACT SAME OFFENSE? That is stupid, and does not reflect well on the team, nor does it send the message that these guys are good citizens.
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I'm not saying 25-life
Just a few days. It’s incredibly reckless. I break laws all the time when I think the laws are stupid, but speeding laws are good. And we’re not talking 70 mph here.
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No, it’s not reckless. See, if it would have been reckless he would have been cited with “reckless driving.”
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by jtlight on Jun 15, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's remarkable that he wasn't cited for reckless driving.
It used to be that over 100 was reckless driving no matter what and if you had a passenger it was endangerment as well.
Cliff got off lucky.
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by flyduckfly on Jun 15, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
118 is reckless
c’mon Jared, regardless of whether you think he should be punished for football or not, 118 is flat out reckless
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by David Piper on Jun 15, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Completely disagree.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
....Seriously?
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. Seriously.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That's absolutely insane. Sorry.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You really think driving over 100mph is by definition "reckless?"
From where I sit, THAT’S “absolutely insane.”
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
18 miles per hour over 100 on a major interstate, actually.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And?
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
And that's absolutely idiotic.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Incorrect.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.
If you think that going 118 MPH on a major interstate in the dark isn’t idiotic, I have no reason to think that you’re worth arguing with.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't matter.
We’re both arguing with people who aren’t going to change their minds.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I think most highway speed limitations are draconian.
I fully agree that the “reckless” charge should be discretionary. What do you care? You live in Tennessee?
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
What the hell does me living in Tennessee have to do with anything?
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You are unlikely to have to share the road with me.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you realize how long it would take to stop at 118 mph?
or to even slow down. Sure, its not likely that you have to do either one of those things on that stretch of interstate at 4 am. However, to go that fast, for any reason, is dangerous and shows a fundamental lack of respect or concern for anyone else who may be using the road.
Would you feel differently if somebody got hurt? You should judge by the intent rather than by the result. If Cliff Harris is concerned for anyone’s safety, including his own, he doesn’t go 118. That he wasn’t concerned is, by definition, reckless.
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by David Piper on Jun 15, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I do.
The intent? There was no intent to harm. There was no intent to recklessly endanger. There was no traffic. There was dry pavement. I absolutely disagree that driving over 100mph is by definition reckless.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
there is no intent on the part of drunk drivers to harm, either
but it shows a fundamental lack of concern for safety. This is no different, IMO
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by David Piper on Jun 15, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why are you comparing your orange to my apple?
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Driving drunk and driving 118 mph are equivalent.
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They are not equivalent, but please, by all means, make a fool of yourself by trying to explain how they are the same.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, that was a bit harsh
After both being errors in judgment, their similarities end.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, you're right, I guess.
I haven’t looked at any statistics, so I’m probably totally wrong. But intuitively to me, they seem about equally dangerous.
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Never mind, you seem to be wrong after all.
Maybe you can find something conflicting, but this indicates that going just a little over the speed limit is equivalent to being legally drunk.
In the chart at the bottom, it shows that going 33% over the speed limit is equivalent to having a .21 blood alchol content, and makes you 31.8 times as likely to have an accident injury.
That was for city driving though. But Cliff was going 81% over the limit.
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That was for city driving though.
This makes a MASSIVE difference. That qualifier changes the entire meaning of the statistics.
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Indeed.
Meaningless.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, look at the linked page.
There’s a chart on there for rural driving too. It looks like instead of 31x it would be 5x, equivalent to about a .10 blood alcohol content.
But again, that was for 33% over. Roughly extrapolating the graph, it looks like 81% over would put it at back at something like 30x or 40×. So my point stands, and then some.
I think you’re both overestimating the dangers of drunk driving, and underestimating the dangers of speeding.
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It really depends on how they are defining rural roads. In this case, we need to be talking about controlled access roads, which are some of the safest places you can drive, even at very high speeds, depending on other traffic.
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Does this take into account duration of trip?
I mean if I drive 45 seconds drunk chance of my getting in an accident are are a lot slimmer than if I drive 45 minutes drunk.
If I drive 118 mph for 15 seconds my chances of getting in an accident are a lot slimmer then if I drive for 15 minutes at 118 mph.
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It's in terms of a multiplier, so time is irrelevant.
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Ok then as a multiplier, what are my odds of getting in a car accident driving for 15 seconds? 1%? .10%? .01%?
I highly doubt that Harris was driving the entire way down I-5 at 118mph. Unlike a drunk driver, he could decide when NOT to drive that fast. So the extremeness of the 31.8 times as likely is mitigated by the fact that his duration of driving at that speed wasn’t very long.
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You've misread the data.
The multiplier would only be in effect for the length of time the driver is at a particular speed or BAC. Obviously, the driver can manipulate his or her speed much more easily than their BAC.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, I'll bite
Then how is time irrelevant?
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 16, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Because...
The multiplier would only be in effect for the length of time the driver is at a particular speed or BAC.
So while at speed, the length of time makes no impact on the safety differential.
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It wasn't used as a control for this study.
I see your point, but I don’t think that makes time irrelevant. The longer a driver drives (regardless of speed), the more apt he or she is to be distracted.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 16, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't understand before that you were talking
about the fact that speeding is likely done for less time than drunk driving. That’s definitely relevant, and you’re right to point it out.
I just meant that time was irrelevant to the statistics themselves, i.e. that they were time independent, and whether you were speeding for 15 seconds or 15 hours, there was still a 30x or whatever multiplier in effect during that time.
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Time is still important, but the modifiers are "fudged." That doesn't mean they're totally inaccurate, though.
They are an average of the level of risk during the time drives drove at a particular speed.
I didn’t say speeding is done for less time than drunk driving. What I said was:
“the driver can manipulate his or her speed much more easily than their BAC.”What I meant was, a drunk driver can’t suddently decide (without pulling over) to switch off being drunk until after he or she arrives at their destination. A speeding driver can decide to and drive at a safe speed at any moment on his or her way to a destination.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 16, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
What I meant was, a drunk driver can’t suddently decide (without pulling over) to switch off being drunk until after he or she arrives at their destination.
What a great superpower though!
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 16, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Some on this site, however, may relate;
sadly their insatiable appetite is not for cheap diner napkins but rather for the expensive sanitary napkins which are also otherwise covered..
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Um
gross.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 17, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
You know
You can take iron pills for that, right?
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 17, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You must be kidding.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I absolutely disagree that driving over 100mph is by definition reckless
so would most Germans … or at least they would disagree if they knew how fast even 1 mph is
I lived in Germany for 4+ years.
That’s part of why I don’t understand this idea that 100mph is all that dangerous. Grannies drive 100 in the right lane in the unrestricted zones.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a little ridiculous to say.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's not the people who have this fear.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
fair, let me rephrase:
most (non-Calfornian) Americans have this weird fear of any speed over 70 mph
And a red light can mean "slow down a little."
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Green means go, yellow means go really fast because the light is about to turn red, and red means go really fast because the light either just turned red or is about to turn green again.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 15, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh.
I have likened changing lanes on SoCal freeways to parallel parking at 90.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It makes up for those mornings and evenings where it takes an hour to go 8 miles.
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Heh.
I’ve never driven there during rush hour, lucky for me.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
i do appreciate though that in California, more than 2 cars can turn left during a green left arrow light … Oregon drivers are too busy spacing out and staying a car length behind the car in front of them
by echo31 on Jun 15, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the closest I come to road rage.
When the left light has been green for 20 seconds and 1 car has bothered to even move.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I reserve my most hateful road rage for people who change lanes without signalling. There’s a special level of hell for those people (and yes, it will probably be a big level).
A close second is people who don’t stay to the right on the highway when they’re not passing.
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by Gorbachav5 on Jun 15, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about this:
Those people who lazily drive along at 60 in the left lane until you can’t help but pass them on the right, then they speed up to 75, not because they don’t want you to pass but because they are idiots.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I can top even that
The assholes who insist on driving 50 mph on a two lane highway, but when the passing lane gets there, suddenly they find out what the accelerator does.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
I should mention that I read that somewhere on the internet years ago and can’t claim authorship.
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by ProbablyMonty on Jun 15, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
but on a banana it’s just the opposite. Green means hold on, yellow means go ahead, and red means where the fuck did you get that banana?
by ntrebon on Jun 15, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I love when Hedberg quotes just randomly appear.
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The Daily Faberian
The speed limits on the interstate 'round these parts is 55.
The norm is probably around 65-70…in the middle and right lanes.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I-5 in between Sacramento and L.A.
Ok while yes I agree 118 is pretty fast has anyone drove down I-5 from Sac to LA? Did it last year and had to go 95 to keep up with traffic durring the day. Past a state trooper sitting at an underpass and he didnt move. So while 118 is fast there are places around where its not that fast.
I’ve done this drive probably 20 times, and the speed of traffic is ofter 80 – 85 MPH. People routinely go 100+ until they hit the Grapevine.
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Around Bakerfeild it makes sense
Who the hell wants to smell the cow shit for any period of time
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This stretch is crazy (and BORING)
When I had my learners permit, I was driving northbound with my mom and I didnt even realize I was going a fair bit over 100.
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
The dangers of 118 MPH is with the engineering limitations of the car, not exactly the speed itself. We could legally and safely operate our interstates at a much higher speed with some relatively minor changes to the system.
The German autobahns have a better safety record, and their roads are held to lower minimum physical conditions and design.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
There are severe penalties for breaking down on the 'bahn.
Not quite to the “vee haff vays uff makink you talk” variety, but far worse than a little ticket.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm curious about the Autobahn arguments
Part of the problem with one car going 118mph on our roads is that it isn’t common or usual behavior. So the driver of that vehicle and those around him are more likely to freak out and do something they might otherwise not.
If you’re used to lots of cars, inluding going 160kph+ on the Autobahn, does that make it safer? I really don’t know.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Weird typo
I meant to say “including your own” going 160kph+
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well,
you ABSOLUTELY have to cede the left lane to an overtaking car. There is NO debate. They flash the lights, you move. Trucks are absolutely banned from anything other than the right lane (not sure if this is still true). And you do get people tooling along at US speeds in the right lane.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
There are some rules that would punish people that freak out.
It’s criminal to be in any lane except the right unless you are passing. (Also against the law in Oregon, but it is largely unenforced)
Tailgating has a justly harsh penalty
Tires (This is huge) have to be certified for a maximum speed, and you have to have a sticker there to remind you of that.
People in the US don’t pay enough attention to their tires. To save on the cost of tires, most tires sold in the US aren’t certified to go over 100 MPH, and this is only at optimal tire pressure levels. There should be a number or two with a letter on your tire after the tire size (Which would look like 225/45R17 95R; the 95R is the load and speed index, the speed is the letter).
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
Interesting.
I am reminded of the old George Carlin joke about highway driving: anyone going faster than you is a maniac, and anyone going slower is an idiot.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I should say I am one of the dolts everyone passes. I rarely go over the posted speed limit, and I get annoyed when people tailgate me.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
It’s not a problem as long as you stay to the right when not passing. If you’re in the right lane, feel free to putz your way along. I’ll wave at you as I zoom by.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Just don’t tailgate me when you can’t get into the left lane, or you’ll see my middle finger as you finally get your chance to zoom by.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
People wave at me that way all the time.
Must be European.
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J/K
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I only tailgate when I’m trying to inform the driver in front of me that they’re driving in the wrong lane, by which I mean, “GET THE HELL OUT OF THE FAST LANE.” If you’re minding your own business in right lane and I happen to be behind you, I try not to tailgate.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Excessive brake wear.
That’s a big one. Your car is expected, by law, to be immaculately maintained.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
This is entirely dependent on your definitions. According to how we use the term, yeah, he was reckless. But he was also not cited for reckless driving, which says quite a bit.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Who is "we?"
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
But your original comment said
No, it’s not reckless. See, if it would have been reckless he would have been cited with "reckless driving."
So is it reckless or not reckless? I’m not talking about the legal definition of reckless driving. I think any person in their right mind can look at a person driving one-hundred and eighteen miles per hour as being reckless behind the wheel. It doesn’t matter if they’re going in a straight line while doing it.
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Oh and I should add...
while I’d like to see Cliff spend a few days in jail, I don’t see why it should affect his football playing. Let the law punish him and be done with it.
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I AM THE LAW
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Jail time for speeding?
wow, ok.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
The penal system has so much extra capacity and funding to throw at traffic violations, why not?
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it would be for speeding
If what Moseley says is true (and I believe it is), it’s hard to overcome “…no less than three…” tickets/citations for driving without a license. Asking a judge to do nothing is a tall order (pun intended).
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Still
all of his citations and tickets are minor and not incarceration worthy. He’s just going to get bigger and bigger fines or have his car impounded should he be caught driving. Jail time? No way.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I disagree for several reasons.
Not least that we can’t afford to keep our actual criminals locked up.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno
I can see the jtlights argument having some weight, but I think it’s going to have a negative impact with the Ducks PR if Kelly lets him off. The ESPN talking heads are going to have a field day with this. I groaned aloud as I read through Clownzano’s article, but I can see where his (overdramatic) sentiment is coming from.
It all depends on what Kelly thinks. But we’re gonna get a ton of flak if we field Harris for the LSU game and Kelly hasn’t given an explanation. I understand it’s ‘just a violation’, but I think a fine isn’t going to cut it, especially if we get slammed with a NCAA violation.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
Pretty sure CK gives a flying fuck about PR.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Step 1. Learn to fly
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Step 1.A. If you cannot fly, get a really big slingshot or catapult.
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Marcus Camby's jump shot?
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He has one?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 16, 2011 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Mile high club, FTW
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by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Who cares what the ESPN talking heads say? They’re ADD anyway and will move onto the next big story as fast as they can given the fact that this one really has no long term legs. What is there to investigate or dissect? Harris got a speeding ticket. NEXT STORY PLEASE!
2. We won’t get slammed with a violation. At worst we’ll self report to the Pac and NCAA a minor violation and they’ll give us a slap on the wrist.
Honestly, this story will be dead in a month. We still don’t have an explanation on the Kiko situation and no one is talking about that right now.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Honestly, this story will be dead in a month.
That would indeed surprise me. The street agent story was dead in about three days. Its corpse lives on in the “NCAA investigation” of our program that hack journalists keep mentioning, of course, but still.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Digging into a systemic problem in college recruiting
is not anywhere comparable to a speeding ticket. If something blows up with Lyles and street agents, ESPN wants to be on top of that and in the conversation.
Finding out that Harris had a suspended license and why is about as far as this problem goes with Harris. I doubt anyone even mentions it in lead up to or during the LSU game.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Just to clarify
What would surprise me is if this lasted that long. It would surprise me if we’re still talking about it this weekend.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If this happens during the regular season
it isn’t even news.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Who cares what ESPN says or Canzano writes?
Their opinions do not matter. It does not matter if Duck fans take flak for Harris playing, or for him not playing.
What matters is that UO continues to build young men off the field, win football games, and increase fan support. The ramblings of a few morons do not affect that at all.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I'll also add...
There is a significant downside to punishing people just to make a point or to assuage the media (who will never be satisfied anyway). I guarantee that players and parents are drawn to places that will treat them fairly.
Throwing a player under the bus without cause will significantly jeopardize that trust. As much as Canzano and other idiots want to rail about “players not knowing what’s expected,” this is utter horseshit. Overreacting in a situation like this could do much more harm than good.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
And if all he's done was get drunk, steal a golf kart and roll it over,
The Oregonian and all these media would just be sitting back and saying “aww, shucks, kids today!” and “lighten up, its all in fun, kids do these kind of things” and “don’t blow this out of proportion. Anyone saying this is serious and worth condemning the players over has no sense of perspective.” Right?
Oh. Wait. That only happens when OSU players get in trouble. Have a coverage bias, fine. But that really crosses the line when you call for two completely separate standards of program administration, player conduct, and punishment.
I don't think the O has an intentional coverage bias
if anyone gave a flying fuck about OSU, they would be all over them. Their only bias is that nobody gives a fuck about the bavers
--Dave
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One thing that has been brought to my attention is this:
People have a very poor understanding of vehicle and highway engineering.
A Nissan Altima going 120 miles per hour is almost half as much momentum than an average legal load semi-truck going 55 miles per hour. It’s also has a brand new 2011 top-of-the-line modern 4 disc, 4 wheel braking system.
We also aren’t talking about going 120 mph in a city. We’re talking 120 mph on an straight and engineered highway. We’re also talking about a 4:00am drive in an already regularly sparse traffic area, not rush hour on the sunset highway.
The danger exists with overheating the tires, which presents dangers to himself and the passengers; Also the headlights, which typically aren’t designed for 120 MPH speeds, would present dangers to whatever is in front of him.
This was stupidity, but he wasn’t “lucky”.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
by JShufelt on Jun 15, 2011 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Agreed.
This was stupidity, but he wasn’t "lucky".
If I were Chip Kelly, I’d be more concerned about the fact that this is the third time he’s been pulled over and gotten a ticket for driving with a suspended license than the speed he was driving. If you have been ticketed twice already for having a suspended license, why on Earth are you driving at all, much less going 118 miles an hour? That’s starting to show a pattern of terrible decisions…
A little clarity: Speeding is the number one contributor to death and injury in traffic crashes.
As someone who has pulled small children out of cars while their parents bled to death thought I might be a downer and share this about it’s just “speeding”.
A vehicle can travel a very long distance before coming to a stop, for example: If you are driving 10 miles per hour, you are traveling 14.7 feet per second, the average reaction time to even start applying the brakes is 1.5 seconds, with that factored, the total stopping distance would be 27 feet. However, at 120 miles per hour the total stopping distance would be over 685 feet – well over the length of 2 football fields or two CH returns for TDs."
So JT’s point is what does this have to do with the UO and suspension, not a whole heck of a lot, but it is not "just a speeding ticket it’s traveling at 118 with three people in the car. The young lady who dies was on I-5 clear weather, no traffic, doing 80+, tire got a puncture, hit the median. She had a clean license.
So It will be interesting to see what Chip does.
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by DamienS on Jun 15, 2011 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Look...
I rarely find myself agreeing with the media, especially John Canzano. However, immediately following his citation, John was conflicted about whether he should get any punishment. However, after learning more details, Canzano switched to saying he deserves to sit out the first game. In the grand scheme, Cliff can recover easily from missing the LSU game. Kids that come into the program with prior convictions should be on a tight leash. He knew that.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
I don’t see a 1-game suspension being a learning lesson for anyone.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
Sitting out the first game of the season against a top 5 opponent in Cowboys Stadium at prime time on ESPN?
I strongly disagree.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
If that 1 game suspension isn't something that he learns from...
He’ll be suspended longer than 1 game.
by ConfofChamps on Jun 15, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don’t understand why he deserves to sit out a game, even if this is a pattern. This was not a criminal act, it was a traffic violation.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I guess my idea of what...
is required to remain eligible for a scholarship is not limited to staying out of criminal behavior.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
I agree. Then why should traffic violations be part of that equation?
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
No...
the kid is obviously on a path that could lead to something much worse. You suspend him for a game or two and if something worse comes in the future, you can say that appropriate measures were taken to thwart future issues.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
the kid is obviously on a path that could lead to something much worse.
I don’t think you have any of the facts or knowledge necessary to make that judgement.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
It's not a fact...
it’s a judgement. Sometimes you got to go with your gut and not the facts, Jlight.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Sometimes you got to go with your gut and not the facts, Jlight.
The Colbert philosophy.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
I am typically a person...
that values the cognitive over the intuitive. However, eventually this comes down to a gut check. There really isn’t a handbook for this.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
I definitely disagree...
But I’ve also been accused of being too cold and calculated by every girl I have ever dated.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
I am sure if you looked
at the statistics of those with 3 DWS, you could generate emperical data that he is not headed in a very good direction. I don’t need that though.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
I'm not sure about that at all.
Making slippery slope arguments is a slippery slope.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
(/MCEscher'd)
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay...
how about a obtructing a police officer, MIP, DWS X3, driving in excess of a 100 mph. I love the kid, don’t get me wrong. However, I also think that a little “tough” love is in order. Some people need a tigher leash and he is one of them, imho.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
I kind of see where you are going...
but, is suspending him for a game the right punishment? Obviously something needs to happen. I think we can all agree that his behavior, whether “criminal” or not, is not behavior that Chip is going to be okay with. The question is, will suspending him for a game ultimately drive the positive behaviors that are expected from him?
I feel like a lot of people in the “suspend him for a game” camp are more looking at it from the punishment perspective only. The purpose of the punishment is supposed to be to get him to realize that his behavior is not okay.
I personally trust Chip to handle this correctly. I think he has shown through his handling of various incidents since he began his tenure as HC that, in the end, he handles these things appropriately. I also believe he has proven that he isn’t givine preferential treatment to anyone as evidenced by him kicking Masoli off the team.
I think that the only purpose a suspension serves is that it’s public in nature and will satisfy the talking heads. If he’s not suspended, other teams’ fans and people like Canzano will assume that he “got away with it”. I don’t really care what those people think though… If we are talking about driving someone’s behaviors in the right direction, different punishments work for different people. I mean, what if Chip suspended Cliff for the LSU game and Cliff just shrugged his shoulders and thought to himself “oh well, at least I didn’t have to do XYZ”? Wouldn’t it be better to punish him with XYZ instead to make sure Cliff felt the impact to the max?
I think Chip has done an exceptional job handling punishment. I think he has shown that he doesn’t rush to judgement, instead allowing all the facts to be gathered and giving the player a chance to explain themselves. This has resulted in 1) his players being more willing to tell him the truth because they know they’ll get a fair shake, and 2) his punishments being much more appropriate than they would be if he rushed to judgement or punished them based on what will appease outsiders.
If Chip decides to suspend Cliff, I’ll be supportive of that. If he decides that some other punishment is better, I’ll be supportive of that. Chip has earned the benefit of the doubt for me, and I’ll trust that he knows what punishment is best for this situation and this player.
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by MarineCorpsDuck on Jun 15, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The recidivism bugs me, don't get me wrong.
But I don’t know whether any evidence exists that would suggest a repeat traffic offender is any more likely than you or me to commit crimes we would really care about.
MIP? Failure to appear? Even driving 118? I haven’t been caught by the cops doing any of those things, but I think most of us do really stupid things before we grow up.
So Cliff’s got a football scholarship. Say he had an academic scholarship. Would we then expect him to be more accountable than the rest of us? Should he grow up faster than the rest of us? We have laws to deter and punish stupid behavior. He got a pretty big fine for doing something stupid. That’s adequate in my opinion. I don’t think having him miss a game teaches him anything additional.
The question of whether the UO employee and rental car loan were out of compliance will be settled however they’re settled.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
every girl I have ever dated
.
Fixed: By both girls I have dated.
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Why aren't you counting the girls you keep chained up in the basement
That doesn’t seem very fair.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
What about the women you have dated? Or are you still trollin the high schools in your van?
Welcome to the working week. I know it don't thrill you, I hope it don't kill you.
Unfortunately everyone I have dated hasn’t exactly acted like a woman.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
(You walked into this one)
What did they act like, sheep?
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
They do that for free at Autzen, you know.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude looks like a lady?
Welcome to the working week. I know it don't thrill you, I hope it don't kill you.
You must have been camping with Musgrave
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by Matt Daddy on Jun 15, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
/Lola'd
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't pretend like you know what it's like.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you have enough information to make that judgement about him.
OR DO YOU?
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
(gets popcorn)
Go on!?
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I keep gettin' older, they stay the same age
/wooderson’d
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Please stop it with the bongos
I’m trying to sleep.
Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Cited 3 times for driving while suspended makes for a pretty impressive pattern...
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
A pattern of traffic violations. Not in any way a pattern to “something much worse.”
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
You know kids these days
first its an unpaid parking ticket. Then it’s speeding, then it’s driving while suspended. Where does it all end?! WHERE DOES IT ALL END?!?!?!?!
Living in a van down by the river. That’s where.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
Well, at least he'll have plenty of time for doobie-rollin' then.
/MattFoley’d
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 15, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It's called being labelled a habitual traffic offender
Which can lead to jail time, if you keep being a dipshit.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
I don’t believe that is what was implied by Canzano or the others that agree with him.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
It didn’t seem that Canzano and others were talking about habitual traffic offender status, but other unnamed issues.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
OK that's fine
For myself, that’s where the issue really lies. Does he learn from his mistakes? If he has been caught driving on a suspended license 3 times, then it seems he has not learned, and in fact doesn’t care, which can lead to a much more serious situation.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Pretty sure NBA players have been suspended for speeding
Not saying I either support or refute the argument but there is a history
Why is Andrea Kramer trying to eye fuck me?
My name is not Bryce.
by Im Chris Hansen on Jun 15, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Is he?
Other than the suspended license, so far he hasn’t done anything I didn’t do as a kid. I got an MIP. I certainly drove very fast. I didn’t get CAUGHT speeding though, until I was in my thirties, but that doesn’t make me any “better” of a person than Cliff and it certainly didn’t portend my stumbling down some dark path to rock bottom or something.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
…he types from his basement.
/reallyhasnothingtoaddtothisconversation
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I can objectively agree with that.
Of course I can also agreeably object to that.
Which would you prefer?
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Or women?
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2011 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously Bill
I don’t think he wants to go camping with you.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jun 15, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can keep fishing for the invite, but it's not gonna happen.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
At least it's not your mom's basement.
Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
so if LMJ doesn’t wear his seatbelt in the car, he should sit out a game? That’s a traffic violation.
by westspec on Jun 15, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand that it’s a traffic violation, but once you start asking these kinds of questions, you’re being disingenuous.
Not wearing a seatbelt and driving 118 in a 65 zone are not the same thing, and it’s not okay to pretend they are for the sake of your argument.
I agree that a suspension is probably not necessary, but these kinds of arguments do not serve to prove your position.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 15, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uh, that came off more “absolute” than I meant. Add an “IMO” to the end of it.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 15, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Well said.
That’s often a pet-peeve of mine. When people make disingenuous or hyperbolic comments, I cannot take anything they say seriously or for granted.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
I don’t think I’m being disingenuous. About half of all driving fatalaties involve someone not wearing a seat belt (somewhere around 20k per year). To me, that’s just as reckless as driving a 100 miles an hour. True, it doesn’t pose a risk to the general public that a high rate of speed does, but not wearing a seat belt is a huge risk to the person not obeying the law.
Getting caught not wearing your seatbelt once and getting caught not wearing your seatbelt 3+ times are not the same equivalent.
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
-equivalent.
Did I mention I am the Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department?
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Pardon me, Sir, you are an impostor.
The correct title is The Bi-President of the Bureau of Redundancy Department.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
No, it's not
I am only for the wimmins.
Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point
LMJ only got the one game suspension even after jail time, and because Kelly saw the facts and made a decision, not because of what Clownzano and the media were hyping. I can see a couple extra laps for Harris, but I don’t think a ticket is grounds for suspension.
Then again, we may discover soon that Kelly thinks otherwise.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
by Brass-billed on Jun 15, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
give me a break
I’m really sick and tired of media blowing things out of proportion. Was he driving way too fast? Sure. Was it reckless? Yes. Why does every minor transgression that a UO player makes somehow worthy of column after column about how that player deserves to be suspended and how Chip Kelly clearly doesn’t have control of the team?
Look, I understand that football players are in the public and therefore everything they do creates news in this day of ridiculous 24/7 coverage. But I’m tired of everyone acting like Chip Kelly is Mr. Mom. Sorry, Cliff, you drove the car too fast today, you are grounded from playing Xbox all weekend and you can forget about going to the prom on Saturday. Please. Its a traffic ticket that we all know will plead down to driving 20 mph over the speed limit anyway.
We're talking about a fucking two game suspension here...
AJ Green had the same and was still taken top 5, I believe???? Gawd, you guys are acting like it’s a death sentence to Cliff. No, it’s a wakeup call!
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Maybe some people are thinking
that it’s not a death sentence to Cliff…but not having our star corner in one of the biggest games of the season is sure to create some PANIC in the ATQ community.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
by Brass-billed on Jun 15, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on. Who really thinks Jordan Jefferson is going to complete a pass in that game with or without Cliff on the field?
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 15, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Nevermind this kids disregard for the law, we’ve got football to win!
"Last time I checked, there is no ‘Hall of Average.’ " Chip Kelly
by PondJunky on Jun 15, 2011 3:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Really? AJ Green was suspended for selling game used jerseys. He violated an NCAA rule that the NCAA feels very strongly about.
If a Duck player does something truly culpable, as in a felony or misdemeanor, then I fully support CK giving that kid a suspension regardless of how it will affect the kid’s draft status (just like I supported the LGB suspension). But a traffic violation simply does not warrant a suspension.
The point wasn't AJ's violation...
but that the suspension didn’t drop his daft status. Harris probably already has done that with this past and a suspension will won’t further hurt him.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
It's in the context of how fair the punishment is...
as Jlight said below, there are consequences for unfairly punishing someone.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
For instance,
does a one game suspension affect a walk on the same as Harris? Do you even consider this? I do.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
I'm not sure how Cliff didn't get charged with reckless driving
A person commits the offense of reckless driving if the person recklessly drives a vehicle upon a highway or premises open to the public in a manner that endangers the safety of persons or property. "Recklessly," means that a person is aware of and consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the result will occur or that the circumstance exists. The risk must be of such nature and degree that disregard thereof constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the situation.
Driving 118 is an unjustifiable risk that a reasonable person would not undertake.
Plus, mutliple offenses of driving while suspended can lead to criminal charges.
Shit, you can’t graduate if you have unpaid parking tickets….there does seem to be some correlation between the school and traffic laws.
Part of me understands the media environment and their need to sensationalize everything. The other part of me recognizes that Cliff is a habitual traffic offender who is going to be disciplined by Chip, publicly or privately. At what point to be go from being a typical dumb college kid to being a flagrant offender. I mean, ride an effing bike already.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
by flyduckfly on Jun 15, 2011 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Driving 118 is an unjustifiable risk that a reasonable person would not undertake.
I have driven that fast on that very same stretch of road, at around the same time of night on more than one occasion (all of them being while I was attending the UO) … I am actually a pretty reasonable person
Maybe you are now
but I question your reasonableness at the time you were driving 118 in the dark…
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
No traffic. It's at the discretion of the cop.
No traffic, dry pavement, not reckless.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
@DuckFootball Lesson learned? Not quite. Cliff Harris failed to appear by a Tuesday deadline for earlier speeding/suspended citations, owes $614.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 1:48 PM PDT reply actions
Why not?
Is there a pattern or something?
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
and cliffy missed his court date yesterday
just wonderful dude
If i'm right more than Jason Quick, does that make me a "Blazer Insider"? If so where do I get paid?
Don't you guys see the real issue here?
The fanbase is torn and choosing sides over a fucking speeding ticket.
We shouldn’t be saying how we feel Cliff should be punished, that is up to the law, and to Chip. We should have faith in the man who has one of the best winning % in the land since his arrival as head coach.
They once showed a clip of the Oregon offense to the French. The French decided to surrender, just to be on the safe side.
by QuackQuackAttack on Jun 15, 2011 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
Don't you guys see the real issue here?
LSU’s quarterback is Jordan fucking Jefferson.
Whether Cliff is on the field or not, it’s not like LSU’s “vaunted” passing game is going to be the thing that makes or breaks the showdown in Jerryworld.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 15, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not that simple
It’s two things: 1. Life is not fair. Harris, in addition to other amateur and professional athletes, celebrities, etc. are treated differently than “average citizens.” That’s just how it is. I’ve stopped writing several comments today because I realized I was bitching about how there’s no way my ass wouldn’t be hauled off to the pokey if I was pulled over for driving 118 MPH and it was determined I had been previously cited for driving with a suspended license three times. Part of me is pissed he’s probably going to get away with this, n
2. The fanbase doesn’t want this kind of attention to continue, so we’re throwing around things that may have been inflicted on us, other athletes in similar situations or what we think will work (whether or not the suggestions are practical).
Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't mean to post that yet, but whatevs.
I don’t see this sort of attention ever going away. People, kids in particular, are stupid. It would be great if CK was able to paint discipline on with a broad brush, but that’s neither practical or effective.
Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I just realized the biggest issue for me here is that Cliff’s number may now not be chosen as one of this year’s jerseys, and I really, really, really want a number 13 Ducks jersey (for the number more than because of Cliff)
I was very happy to get my green 23 last season
I credit my urine for the victory.
http://taborsbigleaguechew.blogspot.com
So lets see if I have this right, you do not think that CK as head coach has the right to have rules,and standards that his football players should go by So when a player like Harris does something that could get Oregon in NCAA hot watert,and keep them on NCAAS radar,no punishment!! WOW you are totally wrong! CHIP KELLY is OREGON FOOTBALL,his team his rules,dont follow them,and his HAMMER WILL AND MUST FALL! This isnt the first time Harris didnt follow the rules,I dont care how good he is he is a trouble maker,ands time for him to go,flip burgers at Burger KING!
I don’t believe you actually read the article if that’s what you took away:
Chip Kelly should hold his players to a standard, but that should be his standard, not the standard of the government.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
dont become the SEC
Here’s what i like to think about to keep my perspective in check:
alabama/florida players get suspended for 2 min of the first quarter if they try to gouge another player’s eye out. When this happens, i shake my head and think the sec is bogus.
cliff harris endangered peoples lives by doing something senseless that i would assume the majority of teenagers engage in (accelerometer testings).
i dont care what other peoples’ perceptions are, but what i know is that i would shake my head if no action were taken. oregon is, or should be, of a higher standard. this should not just be preached and sometimes our bloggers (myself included) forget this while ranting on our own pages and the pages of others
I think that Chip Kelly has shown that he holds his players to a higher standard in many areas. On field-temper tantrums, burglary, DUI, etc. has not been tolerated, and dealt with swiftly and severely.
I don’t believe that traffic violations, even those repeated, should be held anywhere near the same standard.
I think that there are some areas where our players should be held to higher standards, and there are some that I deem almost entirely unimportant.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
i guess my point wasn’t if its unimportant. but look at it as if cliff were playing for auburn and this happened before the NCG….
if chizik doesnt suspend him, i disregard it as no big deal: most programs wouldnt suspend him
if chizik does suspend him (for a huge game), i think chizik has cojones and is running a program where no player will push the legal envelope.
im probably wrong, but its how i see things. i think way too many coaches and programs are classless when the camera isnt on them. id like to think (and wholeheartedly believe, thus far) that oregon is not part of this crowd
I don’t think that you prove your class by hammering some kid when it’s expedient to do so. I think you prove your class by being fair to your players.
Thus far, Kelly has done just that. I trust him to make the right decision in this case, because he knows the character of Chip Kelly far better than I do. If I were in his shoes, the traffic violations would not be a significant factor in that decision, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t other reasons that Harris should or shouldn’t be suspended. Overall, Chip doesn’t need to prove any points with this Harris decision.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
A means of attaining an end, esp. one that is convenient but considered improper or immoral
It’d be really convenient and easy to appease everyone by throwing Harris under the bus. I don’t think that’s the right thing to do.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
It is a Crime
Oregon has a habitual traffic offender law. To qualify for this you need 3 or more offenses of the following in a 5 year period:
Vehicular homicide.
Vehicular assault.
Driving or operating a vehicle while under the influence of drugs or alcohol (DUI or DWI).
Driving a motor vehicle while your permit or drivers license is suspended or revoked.
Leaving the scene of an accident involving injury and or death.
Reckless driving.
Attempting to elude police.
My uncle spent 1 yr. in the Oregon State Penitentiary for habitual traffic offenses. It’s real and it is a crime.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
But only the driving w/ suspended license,
not the speeding.
Yeah but he was driving on suspended
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
So let's count Cliff's
At least two count of DWS (maybe three? I lost count)
I think he’s pretty lucky he didn’t get a reckless driving charge. I guess it’s up to the cop’s discretion as to whether something is reckless or not, but you probably couldn’t have argued well if he’d gotten dinged for that.
So he’s on the edge of the big three right now.
I think it was three.
One DUI, one DWS, and now this DWS.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
by Brass-billed on Jun 15, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
ahhh, my bad.
So he’s only got two? Twith’s right then.
Dear Pit Crew,
If my ears aren't ringing, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
by Brass-billed on Jun 15, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
John Canzano is right
This is a sign of a much bigger problem that needs to be addressed. I believe that the Cliff Harris speeding incident is the final straw and there is only one way to keep this systemic problem from destroying the University of Oregon: Chip Kelly MUST resign.
Before you put on your green and yellow glasses take a step back and look at the timeline:
2007: Chip Kelly comes to Eugene and begins installing a fast-paced offense, resulting in several student athletes suffering catastrophic knee and ligament damage. The signs were there.
2008: Chip Kelly’s dangerous tempo continues to spiral out of control. Nate Costa is the next victim, followed by injuries to Justin Roper, Jeremiah Johnson, Jeremiah Masoli, and other players, proving Chip Kelly’s reckless disregard for the health and safety of his players.
2009: Chip Kelly’s quest for speed continues even as the bodies pile up. Clearly these kids don’t have the tolerance for playing as such speeds, as exemplified by LeGarrette remaining at full speed even as Byron Hout’s jaw slowed to a post-game standstill. Oregon standout corner Walter Thurmond III is another casualty of Chip Kelly’s insane push for tempo. An investigation is launched into the health and well being of Oregon football players, but Nike money quashes it before it can start. (Source: unnamed)
2010: While Chip Kelly’s on-field record is positive, clearly his madman’s push for speed is taking a toll on his team, both physically and mentally. Jeremiah Masoli is no longer able to walk at a standard speed, requiring him to do such mundane tasks as writing emails on his laptop while running at full speed. LaMichael James and Rob Beard both have serious issues with their inability to move at a reasonable rate of speed, yet Chip Kelly refuses to change his system or help these vulnerable young men before it’s too late.
2011: Cliff Harris becomes the latest victim of Chip Kelly’s no-huddle spread offense. He entered the program fast enough to put himself at risk, but after several years in the system he’s lost all ability to function at a reasonable rate of movement. Every year another young man is tragically injured or prosecuted because of Chip Kelly’s complete lack of common sense or understanding of the traditional football huddle.
How many more lives must be jeopardized in his egotistical quest to run the fastest team in the nation? How many young men must suffer before someone brings Chip Kelly back under control of man and nature? The laws of physics were not meant to be broken, yet at this current rate of advancement by the year 2015 (the end of Chip Kelly’s current contract) no Oregon football player will have the ability to travel below 100 miles per hour, which will result in countless traffic incidents, jaywalking fines, and man-shaped holes through every door and wall in the city of Eugene.
Cliff Harris has shown the nation what we should have known all along. Chip Kelly must be stopped. Before it’s too late.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 15, 2011 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 14 recs
That's a lot of effort
I’m rec’ing this without even reading it!
Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m reccing this as hard as I can.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 15, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That IS a sign of a bigger problem.
By which I mean Canzano being right. We must nip this in the bud.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
You forgot
2011: Kiko Alonso took it even another step further as he was trying to find the fastest way to go to sleep. THEY ARE TRYING TO GO FAST IN THEIR SLEEP PEOPLE. THESE ARE FAST ZOMBIES!!! He just fell asleep in the closest spot possible no matter if he lived there or not.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jun 15, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Dontae Williams must be a genius!
Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aw man… I read that really quickly and then I moved fast to rec it. I think I’ve been around Chip Kelly’s influence for too long.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
Now you're just being rec-less
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
On a lighter note: Drive-in double-features.
“Aliens” and “The Fly.” If ever there was a doubler that kept your date glued to you for 4 hours, it was that one. South Salem Drive-in, 1986.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 3:59 PM PDT reply actions
The Oregon football team set a GPA record during the fall quarter.
Did we really? That’s really cool if so, I never heard that.
Welcome to the working week. I know it don't thrill you, I hope it don't kill you.
Fast. Hard. Finish.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
It was on Moseley’s twitter I believe. I tried to find it, but couldn’t figure out how to search specific twitter accounts.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I can also confirm that I saw this in the fall at some point in time.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
KEZI’s new report claims that Cliff owes over $8,500 in unpaid traffic fines.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 15, 2011 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He just has to hold out until his signing bonus...
ONLY 10 MONTHS LEFT TO EVADE PAYING FINES, CLIFFY!
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Sounds like it is to me.
8500 chucks is a lot of chucks. Who in the hell can just come up with that kind of money without having it given to them, selling drugs or robbing someone when they are in college?
by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on Jun 15, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
To Cliffy's credit, he's going about it in a better manner than those 4 Auburn boys
Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
And 6 players at Ohio State
Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Wadn't me.
/eddiemurphy’d
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Aaaaaand then he KICKED him in the DING-DING!
/rec’d
Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
This is exactly correct!
And you have pointed out the reason I am not concerned about our program at this point. None of the incidences our players have been involved in have gone beyond “normal highschool/college kid” events that most people whom had friends, were not entirely unpopular and had any sort of life during those years have engaged in. Now, if one of our guys robs someone, rapes a girl, kills someone or something along these lines, it will be different.
I’m not excusing prior player’s actions, nor Cliff’s, but IMO Chip has handled things exceptionally well in the past. I have no reason to doubt Chip at this point.
In the face of all this, I would like to ask this: How “screwed” are we against LSU if Cliff doesn’t play? Personally, I think we would be fine without him. Barner will return punts and is probably more reliable back there and every bit as dangerous (IMO). And we have a couple guys that are REALLY talented who can step in amongst: Hill, Mitchell, Grady and Mathis.
Is this what I want to see? No. But I don’t think us needing Cliff is as true as some people may make it. The LSU game is likely to be more about us stopping them from running the ball down our throats and us not turning the ball over. Cliff can do very little in the way of either of those things.
by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on Jun 15, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Who in the hell can just come up with that kind of money without having it given to them, selling drugs or robbing someone when they are in college?
So, since he owes the $8500, at least we know he’s not a drug dealer or someone robber?
Verbing weirds language.
A pell grant and a stafford load should cover that
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
I’m worried someone is going to tape a summons to a football and throw it during a game.
Co-President of the Department of Redundancy Department
Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 15, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's next, lewd pictures of him taken in the Congressional Locker Room?
Welcome to the working week. I know it don't thrill you, I hope it don't kill you.
Wide stance in an airport bathroom?
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
@Prehmmr Matt Prehm
Oregon announces Cliff Harris suspended indefinitely and including the opener vs LSU.
http://twitter.com/#!/Prehmmr/status/81145947299659776
Oops, SBN formatting tripped you up.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 4:58 PM PDT reply actions
The title of this post is a good example of why I try never to use the word “should” in any important conversation.
Verbing weirds language.
That's why I hate the word "ought"
As in “You ought to not use the word should in any important conversation”
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Seriously, there’s nothing that gets me irritated faster than someone in a staff meeting going through some long description of what they’re doing about something, and ending with “It should work” or words to that effect.
Don’t give me your f’in “shoulds.” Either make it work or be prepared for remediation.
Verbing weirds language.
I hate giving definitive responses when I flat out don’t know. I don’t operate on faith very well.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
You can craft an appropriate response without resorting to weasel words like “should”.
“We have taken all necessary steps to ensure a successful outcome. If for some reason it doesn’t work as expected, this is how we will resolve the situation without it becoming a complete and utter clusterfuck.”
Doesn’t that sound better than “Well, it should work…”
Verbing weirds language.
Do you work in a nuclear reactor or something?
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, "work" was a poor choice of word.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's also not forget that a "clusterfuck" is positive in some lines of work.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 15, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
No you don't
I’ve met Cluster.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
And you've certainly met Charlie Foxtrot.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It sounds like too many words. You clearly don’t work at my place of employment.
What I do is typically say is “I don’t know”. If they freak out, I detail why I don’t know, and what area I’m not knowledgeable with (Like women). If they don’t freak out, it isn’t important.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"
Matt Daddy always freaks out like a woman, is that what you meant?
/preparedfornailfilethroughmyeyeball
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 16, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
You ought to give it a try
It should make you feel better.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I'm sorry...
I’m sorry, but I’m more than a little embarrassed when I see where some of the readers of this fine community stand on this thing.
Rather than comment as to the maturity of Cliff for not only speeding, but repeatedly doing so without a valid drivers license….some would like to try and reason as to how driving 118 on an interstate highway isn’t a big deal.
COME ON PEOPLE…ARE YOU F’ING NUTS OR SOMETHING!!! This shouldn’t be an argument as to the validity of any of our culturally accepted laws or regulations. It should be a discussion as to why Cliff isn’t learning from his past experiences.
I would like everyone here to ask themselves a simple question. If Cliff was your son and he’d been caught not only speeding, but driving without a license…what would you as his parent do? Would you send him to his room without dinner? Take away his Gameboy? Ground him for a week? If you can tell me with a straight face that you’d have no problem with it, especially after the 2nd or 3rd time, I fear for our future.
I was a STUDENT-ATHLETE back in my day, and one of the things my parents instilled in me was that playing sports was a PRIVILEGE, and as such, was something that could be taken off the table if I wasn’t living up to their standard. As much as I hate to say this, Chip serves as a father figure to many of these kids. As such, he should be more than able to take privileges away from his players if they don’t live up to his standards. Chip can’t send Cliff to his room, and Gameboys are long gone, but if Cliff really likes playing football, perhaps being sat down is just punishment for his repeated lack of judgement.
Ducks stackin' wins like Leggos, toastin Pac-10 like the Eggos, like we're racin' against some preggos, Dan Patrick we enfuego. Free Schierholtz!!
by PacBellBoozer on Jun 15, 2011 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
That's why, from Monday night on
I expected CK to suspend Harris.
It sucks he won’t play in the LSU game. It is deflating in fact. I was soooo looking forward to a CH pick (or 2) and watching him and the rest of the Duck D DOMINATE the tiggers.
But Harris fucked over that pretty picture by deciding to pay a bimbo for her rental and then drive it at 118mph! It isn’t Kelly. Or Conzano. Or any other media member. Harris screwed the pooch with that decision and now the team and fans and coaches must suffer the consequences.
I hope Harris realizes his decisions today will affect what happens tomorrow and beyond. I hope this suspension finally crystalizes that concept for him and his career at Oregon resumes and he has a terrific life. I know this: ALL Oregon fans will be cheering for him when he returns to the field as an Oregon Duck.
by ConfofChamps on Jun 15, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you need to read all the threads going back to Sunday.
At least, before you make such comments.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 15, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
And what exactly will that accomplish? My statement was directed towards those who are still wrapped up in an online tiff over the definition of “reckless” rather than looking at the bigger picture.
It still doesn’t change the facts…3 times caught speeding, 3 times driving without a license…the only reason we’re hearing about it this time is because of the excessive speeds involved. He deserves whatever Chip deems necessary, and if that means he’s gone for good, than so be it. I’d much rather that be the case, than have our coaching staff pull a Jim Tressel and look the other way.
Ducks stackin' wins like Leggos, toastin Pac-10 like the Eggos, like we're racin' against some preggos, Dan Patrick we enfuego. Free Schierholtz!!
by PacBellBoozer on Jun 16, 2011 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven't had very much coffee yet, but I'm going to try to be nice.
I think you should take BGWM’s advice:
1. You’d get your facts straight.
2. You’d realize we discussed recklessness from several vantage points (i.e. reckless driving v. being cited for reckless driving; reckless driving behavior v. reckless non-driving behavior, distinguish between different types of bad decision making, recklessness v. stupidity (aka teh stupidz), dangerous actions and harm to others, how recent bad behavior reflects on the UofO and how it compares with other programs in the spotlght, etc.).
3. You’d realize that if someone were to have make a joke (e.g. “Cliff Harris wasn’t driving, he was pulled over for running 118 MPH while wearing a Nissan Altima costume!” -your’s truly) we were neither being serious, nor condoning his current or previous bad behavior.
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Loose bills sink quills.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 16, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
What would that accomplish?
Well, for one you would realize that we’ve discussed pritnear all facets of this thing in excruciating detail and prevent you from “embarrassing” YOURSELF by coming in here on your extremely high horse and bloviating from a position of ignorance.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 17, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I just wonder...
How much more this type of situation wouldn’t be significant to the media & everyone’s judgement, If the Ducks weren’t a top-3 BCS team. If Cliff was a nobody, Nobody would care about his traffic violation history. Next will a player get suspended for not paying his Best Buy credit card payment on time? …and after that he’ll players will sit out games for crossing the street through a “dont walk” light.
Old Guy Trojan fan defeatedly smoking a cig in the bathroom line @ the Coli during halftime:
"How DOES anybody stop you guys?!?!"
Me: Uhhhhhhh. er, well...
Go Ducks!
You know
I think if Kelly really wants to make it stick, he should suspend Harris against Washington or Oregon State. You want to make it clear that someone’s behavior is unacceptable? Suspend a player for a conference game. Those are the ones that matter most at the end of the day.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 16, 2011 7:01 PM PDT reply actions
But those are cupcakes.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 17, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh. OBS wasn't funnin' us at all with that one.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 17, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
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