Quack Fix: Andrew Wheating prepares for US Championships, Ducks to release documents on recruiting services
by jtlight on Jun 20, 2011 7:45 AM PDT
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PrintA belated Happy Father's Day to all that dads out there. For Duck sports, it was a pretty quiet weekend. Cliff Harris is suspended, new players are arriving on campus, and that's about it. Here's the quack we could find.:
- The USA Track and Field Championships are in Eugene this week, and for Duck fans, Andrew Wheating will be the center of attention. George Schoreder had a great piece yesterday on Wheating. He still has his enthusiasm, but he's in the big-time now, paying taxes and everything. At 23, he's got a bright future ahead of him.
- While there may not be a lot of news right now, just wait a couple hours. Oregon plans on releasing documents related to media FOIA requests on Oregon's use of recruiting services. Make sure to check the comments for the most recent news.
- Speaking of recruiting services, one Oregon football player had a different take. Nick Cody was part of a team put together a video on the subject for the 2011 Summer Sports Media Workshop.
- George Schroeder also had a piece on Cliff Harris Friday that didn't get mentioned around here. I think that Schroeder did a great job on this one. He does a great job capturing just how likable Cliff is, while at the same time showing how Cliff has not lived up to his responsibility as a leader on the football team. Cliff needs to become dependable on and off the field. Based on his actions, he won't get too many more chances to prove that to Chip.
- Duck Territory has been catching up with a lot of Oregon's 2011 recruits that are starting to arrive on campus. Last Friday they had pieces on Andre Yruretagoyena and De'Anthony Thomas. Today they have a piece on LB Rodney Hardrick, who should be already on campus.
- Oregon picked up a commitment from Cody Carriger last week, and Duck Territory has a bit more info on the commitment after speaking to his dad. Carriger sounds like an athletic freak. At 6'7 230, he ran a 11.25 100-meter dash. But he's very slim and will be able to easily add bulk Oregon recruited him to play "drop end," and his athletic ability should be perfect for that spot.
- Lastly, Bill Connelly had an interesting list at Football Study Hall. He listed the best and worst BCS teams, and those that missed out, from 2005 to 2010. Oregon gets a few mentions.
Like I said, not a lot out there this morning, so help your fellow addicts out. If you've got anything else, drop it in the comments. GO DUCKS!
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Anyone else see this George Schroeder tweet regarding documents to be dropped?
"Be quack-u-lent to each other!"
Ever have that not-so-warm-and-squishy feeling?
"Be quack-u-lent to each other!"
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
For those at work who can’t see twitter, please post the text of tweets, thanks!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I doubt there will be much of interest in these that we didn't already know
Oregon hired various recruiting services, got some contact info and videos in response, paid these services. The part where some shenanigans might have happened was between the paid recruiting service employee and the recruit, it the service steered the kid toward Oregon while in their pay. I doubt this would be documented by the UO. I guess we get to see if that is true today!
Yeah… if that did happen, and we did document it, then the UO athletic department is too stupid to live and we deserve everything that’s coming to us.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Nevermind.
Pre coffee, I thought this was an additional group of documents.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Oregon's not releasing text messaging details...
Because, well, they don’t have to.
I love how Bachman had this piece pre-written for when the files actually dropped. Both she and the University are so predictable.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
And because they apparently don't have access to all the records
Btw, from a PR perspective, releasing the documents on Monday means you don’t think you have anything to hide. If you have something to hide, you release on Friday afternoon.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
yup
thats the first rule of media relations right there. You want something to die, Friday is your day.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
Reassuring
During this whole thing, it certainly has seemed that Oregon strongly believes they haven’t done anything wrong.
Absurdity is my favorite.
Indeed
The worst thing that can happen in these types of situations is a coverup because it makes you look like you’re hiding something even if you aren’t. Thankfully not the case here.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I spent an hour going through the docs (It's summer, I have the time).
There’s nothing that I can see that should raise the slightest bit of a colored flag with either the compliance guys or the NCAA.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
What about the tosu compliance officer driving a car 'provided' by a local dealership?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Having no personal experience with recruiting or scouting services the only thing that caught my eye was that we didn't seem to get 25k worth of information
Granted I don’t know how many recruits would be included with $5k packages from other services but there definitely weren’t 22 states represented in the recruiting booklet.
Colored flag?
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 20, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for going there.
I was going to post this, but I’m too lazy.
If I wanted any lip from you, I'd unzip your pants.
Beavers beat writer Paul Buker on Twitter with the proper take
@Pnbuker: UO documents: So there’s no proof that Kelly texted “Quit bothering me!’’ to Canzano? Oh well ”http://bit.ly/iz862M" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/iz862M
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I've got this all figured out...
As soon as Chip Kelly accepted the job at Oregon, the first thing he did was look up the details of Oregon’s public records law and discovered the text message loophole. He then proceeded to use text messages to arrange a payment of $25,000 to Willie Lyles in order to secure the commitment of a running back who is so talented that Coach decided to redshirt him for his freshman season. And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling kids that meddling Rachel Bachman.
Death penalty! Death penalty!
"You could almost imagine Ducks coach Chip Kelly walking to midfield among the bloodied Bruins and shouting in his best gladiator voice, 'Are you not entertained?'" - Ted Miller
Holy hidden text messages, Bachman!
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Jun 20, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same insane Bach woods. Deep in the Bach woods.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Maybe Twist was right in saying Chip Kelly should be cited for LOIC
CK has lost control of how AT&T stores data!
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyone know what stat they are using for the Football Study Hall ranking?
I find it odd that the 2010 team is so low on the list, below the 2009 Duck team as well as Stanford, tOSU, TCU, Arkansas and Oklahoma from last year. But I’m sure there’s a reasonable explanation.
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
The stat they are using is F/+. Last year’s Oregon team was notoriously hard to gauge using a lot of advanced statistics.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
What does that stat look for
and what about last years team made it so hard to gauge? If there’s a useful article already out there, just link me to it. But now my curiosity is piqued.
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
by Duckfanatic10 on Jun 20, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably solely TOP
AND OREGON WAS ONE OF THE WORST TEAMS IN THE COUNTRY!…in time of possession.
I credit my urine for the victory.
http://taborsbigleaguechew.blogspot.com
This is a pretty good primer on F/, which is a combination of S&P and FEI, which are both used by Football Outsiders.
S&P+ breaks down teams on a per play basis, while FEI looks at a per drive basis.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
The thing about last year’s team that made us so hard to gauge was that we did most of our best work in “garbage time”. Remember how we’d break away by a few touchdowns late in the game, and then we’d really start applying the hurt? Bill’s metrics don’t actually see that.
Bill basically said that the 2010 Oregon team was one of the most frustrating ones to him in all his years of analyzing football because it was a team that was clearly good but wasn’t respected by his own metrics.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Err — not that the 2010 Ducks weren’t respected by his metrics per se, just that they were underrated. Or at least, underrated compared to “common sense” and “intuition”.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Oregon’s sorta kinda “struggles with ASU, Cal and WSU” also hurt them big time with these metrics.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
That too.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
The struggle against WSU absolutely killed their rankings, because of the whole “adjusting for strength of schedule” thing. WSU was an improving team at that point in the season, and the stats don’t take into account things like “the team just watched one of their players get carted off the field.”
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
And played with the backup QB for half the game
I credit my urine for the victory.
http://taborsbigleaguechew.blogspot.com
by mackjones23 on Jun 20, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Although, Costa played a perfectly good game. It wasn’t as good as, say, DT’s best, but it’s not like it was way worse than anything DT ever did.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I completely agree with you
Costa played admirably and I was surprised by his mobility. I just feel like DT being back there, they might’ve performed better, if for no other reason continuity.
I credit my urine for the victory.
http://taborsbigleaguechew.blogspot.com
by mackjones23 on Jun 20, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Does it really matter?
Well to the stat geek, sure, but in the bigger picture does it matter at all?
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really
A W is a W but still.
I credit my urine for the victory.
http://taborsbigleaguechew.blogspot.com
by mackjones23 on Jun 20, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
That makes sense
We also seemed to start a tad slow some games too, seemingly setting the defense up and getting a read on their defense and tendencies.
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
by Duckfanatic10 on Jun 20, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
F/+
Which is a combination of FEI and S&P+.
FEI:
All drives are filtered to eliminate first-half clock-kills and end-of-game garbage drives and scores. A scoring rate analysis of the remaining possessions then determines the baseline possession efficiency expectations against which each team is measured. A team is rewarded for playing well against good teams, win or lose, and is punished more severely for playing poorly against bad teams than it is rewarded for playing well against bad teams.Source
I’m not a particularly big fan of FEI, but I also don’t fully understand what it really means.
S&P+
Success Rate: A common Football Outsiders tool used to measure efficiency by determining whether every play of a given game was successful or not. The terms of success in college football: 50 percent of necessary yardage on first down, 70 percent on second down, and 100 percent on third and fourth down.Source
EqPts Per Play (PPP): An explosiveness measure derived from determining the point value of every yard line (based on the expected number of points an offense could expect to score from that yard line) and, therefore, every play of a given game.
Opponent adjustments: Success Rate and PPP combine to form S&P, an OPS-like measure for football. Then each team’s S&P output for a given category (Rushing/Passing on either Standard Downs or Passing Downs) is compared to the expected output based upon their opponents and their opponents’ opponents. This is a schedule-based adjustment designed to reward tougher schedules and punish weaker ones.
I like a lot more, but I’m also not particularly big on the “Plus”.
Essentially, one stat is regarding drives, and another stat is regarding plays.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
Big Balls Chip says
Your argument is invalid!
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
The most important part of the documents so far
On the O’s summary:
Willie Lyles paid his own way to the December awards show in Florida, which he attended as a guest of LaMichael James.
http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2011/06/oregon-ducks-football-recruiting.html
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Oregon "sports" writers hearts just dropped with this...
Now they have one less thing to whine incessantly about.
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
I would have thought a finalist would have their guest's ticket and travel paid for.
Maybe Cecil Newton’s check hadn’t been cashed yet?
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh.
Athletic Dept. was talking to the NCAA @ 9:30AM the morning after the Lyles “story” “broke.” Chip Kelly has lost control of the cover-up.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 11:13 AM PDT reply actions
I just read through all the documents the O has posted on their site
I don’t see much there, if we did anything wrong, its not in these records.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
If you are in or around Eugene, the athletic arenas around Autzen are FULL of football players,
Camps are in session and the activities can be observed by all. I met the Dad of a kid (WOW) from Hawaii, LB/SS who were making the camp tour up the coast, starting @ SDSU and going on up to Fusky Field. Lots of QB action available for viewing right from the soccer stands.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
And for my first encore, out of Tennessee, Kenny Chesney put together this beauty.
The Boys of Fall – Oregon.
God, this is beautiful. I COULD HARDLY KEEP FROM JUST BALLING OUT LOUD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REr962F0_2k
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
by Famous Duck on Jun 20, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
For shame!
/flaggedfornotincludingKennyWheaton!
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The guy was from Tenn. Flagged for supposing to provide something we already got!
Yeah, he coulda had it but he had a lot of good shit in there.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
What do you suppose he wants to say? That this was a shitty video? I think not.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Your argument implies the person who put the clip together didn’t include our most holiest of plays because s/he was from TN.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, so........?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Huard gonna go back to throw the ball
I credit my urine for the victory.
http://taborsbigleaguechew.blogspot.com
Sets up, looks, waits about 8 hrs for the next comment...
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 20, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm heading down this afternoon
I want to get a look at some of the NW kids (Tyner, Banner, etc) in action.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Here's all you need to know about the papers dropping today
ESPN_Pac12blog ESPN_Pac12blog
You might find these Oregon documents interesting. http://bit.ly/jmfbQv Or you might find them mostly boring. Got $1 on the latter.
@Pnbuker: Move over, Pentagon Papers: Ducks’ recruiting documents not exactly ESPN crawl material http://bit.ly/jmfbQv
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Hamani Stevens,
did make it on campus. Now we can say that our 260 pound center beat out a 305 pound center. I am feeling better about our oline though.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
I guess I never thought he wouldn’t show up.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He had to be cleared by the coaches...
and some have intimated that he didn’t leave on the best of terms.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
And besides
The kid is really broken up about it.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
How so?
Was it just a case of coaches being upset that he chose his mission over football for a couple years? That being said, the fact that he’s here HAS to mean he contacted the coaches before he made his decision, and that any hard feelings are no longer an issue, doesn’t it?
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't kill the messenger...
there were those that thought he wouldn’t be back. He is. I am happy about it. End of story.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Meant as question, not a critique.
I was just wondering what problems there might have been.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
We had just heard a few weeks ago (here) that he had stayed in touch with Coach Greatwood the entire time he was gone
Stevens, the No. 2 recruit in the nation at center the year he signed his letter of intent, returned Thursday from a mission spent primarily in the Philippines. He said he’s been in contact with UO offensive line coach Steve Greatwood and academic support staff about the process of re-enrolling at the university.
I am glad to see him...
return and join the team for summer workouts.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
by BisonDucks on Jun 20, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I seen him at the book store today
so he must be enrolled in summer classes if hes getting books
#88
I looked a little at the documents, and I don’t want to sound like some whiny Duck fan… but there is some information being released where – if I were a recruit – I would be pissed off that it was out there for the public. Isn’t there some sort of right to privacy these guys can get?
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
In all seriousness, I'm actually doing a lot of work with FOIA right now.
I’m not entirely clear on the intricacies of the law, but in order to get personal information on another individual, you have to get their written consent. I don’t know what qualifies and what doesn’t. It seems like, given that, they could/should have redacted personal contact info before releasing documents to the O. But again, I’m not a FOIA expert.
I was thinking the same thing
Maybe he was included because he’s already committed to TA&M? Still, it has his phone number on there….Not redacting that is sketchy.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Phone number, email address, home address…
It shouldn’t matter which school – that’s a pretty bad to have all that information out there in the public.
On the “Complete Scouting Services 2010 National High School Evaluation Booklet”, it all effectively redacted, but in some of the other documents – it isn’t.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
I first thought it was a sample profile. Then I found him on Rivals and Youtube.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Its only redacted if they come to Oregon looks like
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I don’t think that’s right at all. Everyone in the Evaluation Handbook is redacted, and most of them didn’t come to Oregon.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
I don't know the rules
Maybe its an age thing, I dunno.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Congrats on the successful hyperlink!
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you,
I got step by step instructions with pictures from MCD! Now I can post the one I really wanted to from yesterday but gotta wait til I get home.
AAAAAAAGH! You linked to SBB!
Now I have to take another shower and get tetanus and antibiotics boosters. Thanks a LOT.
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You should know better than to trust a link!
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I've become too comfortable in the warm embrace of Quack.
Vigilance from now on!
Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently I CAN'T see it.
When I click the “play” button, it says “THIS VIDEO IS PRIVATE.”
Well, I NEVER.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
To make it even more amusing?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The rare double-reply-fail.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this is a (reply fail)x2
You are in good company. I do this all the time.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Now now, you've been around long enough that the "rookie" excuse doesn't fly.
We’ve all done it, just take it like a Mom.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Dang it.
Before any of you dirty little boys get any ideas about responding to my reply with entendres of any kind, don’t.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Just had to stick that in, did ya?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 20, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You were getting ahead but now I think that you're going in the hole.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I find it is often a good tactic
to just brazen it out. Something like “I don’t know why you’d think that is a reply fail, when clearly I meant to post these two very original and insightful comments separately. Who the hell do you think I am…HRD??”
These guys can smell fear. Don’t let them see you flinch.
Absurdity is my favorite.
by daisyduck on Jun 20, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am working on putting a triple reply fail into my routine before the next Olympics.
Coach says I’m crazy, but I want the style points.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone else been watching the CWS?
Fan of the cheese on the nachos, the Oreo of Explosion, Cool Brees, CP3, the J-Hey Kid, Pizza, and the real Matty Ice.
"ESPN - the worldwide leader in kissing Phillie ass" ~ kimrob1
Texas reply fail
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I is confused.
Fan of the cheese on the nachos, the Oreo of Explosion, Cool Brees, CP3, the J-Hey Kid, Pizza, and the real Matty Ice.
"ESPN - the worldwide leader in kissing Phillie ass" ~ kimrob1
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 20, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Confusion is a good thing; you are trying to learn to make choices.
Texas had a chance to answer their detractors with a win in their second game.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I'm quite glad they didn't.
Fan of the cheese on the nachos, the Oreo of Explosion, Cool Brees, CP3, the J-Hey Kid, Pizza, and the real Matty Ice.
"ESPN - the worldwide leader in kissing Phillie ass" ~ kimrob1
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 20, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Garage sale at the Harrington house?
Joey’s 2000 Holiday Bowl MVP trophy up for sale.
Verbing weirds language.
Also
someone should ask the UO and see if they know this is for sale. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it in the Cas Center.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
you've seen the Holiday Bowl championship trophy that goes to the school
this is different
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
According to the accurate research of Shufelt and myself
this is probably some dude with an engraver and welder. Either that, or he’s got a hell of a hot streak at estate sales. Check out his “other items listed” if you don’t believe me.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Yeah. This is the MVP Trophy.
The thing that makes it a bit fishy to me is the lack of credentials listed in association with the trophy. I would think for $250 min bid and $60 shipping, there would be a few more things to warm up someone to it.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
I've heard the issue of Cambell recruiting a high the same time as Lyles brought up a couple times, but I just wanted clarification
Is that considered a violation?
So we bought a shitty dated recuriting book
I gotta say that makes me a bit nervous but I still don’t see a violation (but I’m afraid that one might be hidden in this).
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
The Oregonian is reporting what we got for the $25k
Was a recruiting book that was labeled 2011 but contained mostly profiles of 2009 recruits.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
You can understand why that strikes me as quite fishy
And worrying.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
The other O accusation is that it is a "national" recuriting package
That is almost all from TX is BS btw, I can make an argument that TX is practically its own country. :-)
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
On a basic level, it is good that you don’t see a violation. Like I said earlier, if you could see the violation in this release of papers, it would mean the UO athletic department was unthinkably, monumentally stupid.
Unfortunately, I think that at the end of the day (the figurative day, not literally today), if we can’t show that we paid Lyles $25K for something that approximated that value, we’re still in trouble.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
I don’t think its that serious of trouble but it might well be.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
My gut feeling here is that the UO won’t get punishment, but that rules will be changed. But it’s quite possible that they could come down hard on the UO in order to send a message about street agents. It’s so hard to tell what the NCAA is going to do.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
That seems failry likely (the rules change)
In the end, if Oregon didn’t violate the rules, no matter how shady, its hard to hit them with penalties.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Biggest thing going in Oregon's favor in all of this
is the fact they have
a) run everything through compliance. The NCAA HATES to see compliance being avoided. If compliance is wrong then that’s a slap on the wrist and a “read these 18 documents” on why compliance should be doing it this way punishment
b) been forthright and cooperative with the NCAA. At 9:360am the day after the Yahoo story Oregon was on the phone with the NCAA trying to find out what they wanted to see. The only thing worse then not using your compliance department is trying to avoid the NCAA.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Good points. I will use these to continue sleeping at night.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Whiskey works better.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 20, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
The NCAA also hates being lied to
That’s what will get Ohio State in deep shit, they knew directly about this for months and lied to the NCAA when asked. USC hid stuff but they never actually lied I don’t believe.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
As much as I hate to say it, to me it’s looking more and more like we violated the rules here. I don’t know whether the NCAA can “prove” it, but they don’t really have to prove anything to impose sanctions.
Another interesting piece in this discussion — let’s say for a moment that Oregon did the worst of what we’re accused of (forking money over to Willie Lyles to drive kids to Oregon). In that scenario, we still didn’t pay players. To me, that’s what makes it different from what tOSU and USC are going through. What kinds of punishment could we face?
It seems to me in that event that our punishment should be less (than a two-year bowl ban plus heavy scholarship reduction), but perhaps they want to make an example out of someone on this. I don’t know, but I’m getting more nervous.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Scholarship reduction
Probation, disassociation with Lyles and perhaps Lache. Oregon has no history of major violations really so a bowl ban is unwarranted.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
What rules did we break?
Ok there might be some impropriety after the fact between Lyles, Seastrunk, et al. But what’s that got to do with Oregon buying a shitty scouting service book. Is that against the rules? Are the rules written where Oregon can’t get screwed by a swindling sales rep?
Unless there’s a smoking gun of Lyles steering Seastrunk or anyone else to Oregon, or Oregon funneling money to players, I’m really interested in knowing exactly what rules were broken.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Steering mainly
If Lyles is ruled an “agent” for Oregon then that’s big trouble (think of what boosters can’t do if you want to know why.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
"Ruled and agent?"
Still pretty vague there. I get that he sold a shitty product, but it was still a product. If Oregon is going to get in trouble for giving money to people and they don’t really produce anything of value, then we should be put on permanent probation for paying Andy Ludwig for all those years.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jun 20, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And UW should be for hiring Tyrone Willingham
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
No
Willingham produced an 0-12 season for the huskies. I find that very valuable.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Well, sure — but if they decide he had something to do with bringing certain kids here, well, then we’re in trouble. I think they’re far from having proven that, but I doubt they necessarily need to “prove” that in order to declare it a reasonable inference and proceed from there.
The bottom line is that they’re likely to assume that we paid him for something, and given his relationship with some of the kids that have found their way up here, we’d better hope that there are some actual scouting packages lying around somewhere.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
True
we’d better hope that there are some actual scouting packages lying around somewhere.
I’m hoping there is more to the story than what O-live is putting out there (very likely) but in the grand scheme of things it appears that Oregon has been cooperative, working the NCAA and above board with everything. So because O-live isn’t getting the whole story or all we have is maybe A points to B which could possiblly point to C… I’ll rest fine until I hear something bigger.
Lots of conjecture at this point.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I think that's the key point ...
…there is more to the story and there are hundreds of reporters trying to break it. The Lyles thing is very suspicious far from over – I think even the most optimistic of you can agree to that.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jun 20, 2011 6:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No such thing.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 20, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
this is the first thing to come out of all this that makes me nervous
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
Ditto
Doesn’t feel right to me.
Verbing weirds language.
by benzduck on Jun 20, 2011 6:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I am really confused and that starting to be concerned
Oregon is not making things easy for itself right now
More importantly
Is what has been released everything the NCAA saw?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
A fair point.
I just want to know that Oregon didn’t spend a ton of money on near-useless, outdated information, and some highlight tapes. Otherwise it makes them look like foolish-suckers at best.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
What seems more likely?
Chip Kelly got taken by someone in Texas for $25 G’s in the shady recruiting game…
or
Kelly paid to have someone steer a recruit to Oregon and willfully broke NCAA rules…
or
Lyles did this on his own and risked getting any more money from Oregon, NCAA investigations and never being in the recruiting business again because he couldn’t follow thru on his “package” commitment to Oregon?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Lyles did .. What on his own?
Paid himself $25k from Oregon?
Pls to be clarifying your third option there kind sir.
Verbing weirds language.
by benzduck on Jun 20, 2011 7:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Lyles steered Seastrunk / broke NCAA rules without any knowledge from Oregon to sell his services even though there was no way he was ever going to fulfill a National Package.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I don't think any rules (as they currently are written) were broken per say but that we took full advantage of that grey area, almost to a fault
So don’t think that option B is that clear cut.
Since Lyles was just hanging up his own shingle, Oregon really didn’t know what he could actually produce, but put its faith in its past relationship with him.
Speed Endurance Talent is how Track Town USA plays football. Win The Day
by webfoot73 on Jun 20, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He found out it's a little harder to produce a finished product when you're relying on only your own resources
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The ones the O requested yes
Except for the text messages, which Oregon doesn’t have.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
If that’s the case, then I have a hard time seeing how one can justify $25k for that material.
I can see value in getting names, addresses and etc. of the high schools and coaches… but google and a little research could have covered that pretty easily.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
This is why neither you nor I is in the college recruiting business
Apparently this is what recruiting packages are. Plus some game tape.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Sorry, I've officially taken off my Duck glasses.
I have to side with those who are worried. This just seems weird to me. A national package of recruits mostly from Texas? A listing of kids who graduates in 2009? Uh, what?
This just doesn’t feel good anymore. I really really really really hope things are going to be fine, but if they’re not…I’ll be sick with disappointment.
by DuckIt on Jun 20, 2011 6:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The national package with mostly Texans doesn’t bother me at all. The 2009 recruits do.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
Getting old info isn't worth $25, let alone $25,000
but Ken Goe says we also paid for videos (not released today) and access to password-protected online videos. UW paid $40,000 last year to various recruiting services that provided online access. Condotta said that the coaches liked to be able to download game film.
Doubt they paid $25k to one single source though.
Verbing weirds language.
by benzduck on Jun 20, 2011 7:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They didn't. It was multiple sources.
But it’s possible our coaches accessed video online and that that was part of the $25,000.
Yeah, lyles strikes me as an online kind of guy
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jun 20, 2011 10:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Videos that were 2 years old also? I’m betting the videos are practicably worthless.
Let’s be real, we were paying for access, and we knew it.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
This is basically the space I'm currently in.
My conjecture, which as it’s been stated is really all we have at this point, is that Oregon paid to get access to Lache.
Lache’s coach and mother have stated that Lyles said he would handle Lache’s recruitment. In which case I’m sure he coached Lache to not talk meaningfully with recruiters until he had a chance to vet them.
For Oregon to have meaningful talks with Lache, which probably became relevant after Carroll left USC, they agreed to purchase Lyles services for the right to get to Lache.
Again, this is purely what I could see playing out. There’s nothing to substantiate any of it. But it would seem to me to be the scenario where the coaches/recruiters/atheltic department were able to rationalize the decision to make the payment. I don’t know if they were expecting to necessarily pay to have him “steered” to Oregon, but if they paid $25K and everyone else paid $10K-$15K or less, which are figures that are purely out of my ass, that may have happened.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 20, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t even think this is about just Lache, this is about all Texas recruits.
I don’t think that Lyles steered anyone to Oregon, because that doesn’t seem his style. His players have gone everywhere. But after getting shut out of Texas in the early part of last decade, Oregon started using recruiting services, to get access to recruits.
I think it’s been pretty obvious that this whole street agents thing is about access. It’s a dirty, sleezy part of an already ridiculous sleezy area. Oregon jumped into that game because it wanted to be a national player.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I completely agree
Lache just happens to be the centre of this right now.
And your point about being shut out of Texas is something I feel like I brought up months ago when this first came up (or hope I did). The program has been looking to expand for some time, to get into those non-traditional areas, it’s going to have to pay more than an LSU or Oklahoma, who typically recruits in those areas.
And that’s why I don’t think the program gets in trouble. Lyles offered “services,” as shitty as they may be, for what Oregon paid.
The fix that seems simple to me is that the NCAA insists that all scouting services be registered with the national body, just as all NFL agents need to be registered with the NFLPA. This let’s the NCAA conduct audits of the services records, product, and financials.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 20, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec
We’re dancing around the edges of what’s legal. I’m hoping we weren’t dancing too far over the line, but if we were, supporters of the program will claim the line wasn’t defined clearly enough, and detractors will use it as proof we got to this level by cheating AND outspending the competition.
If the recent sorties into Texas weren’t paying off, nobody involved with the Longhorns program would give a flying fuck in a rolling donut about Oregon’s recruiting practices, other than in a general “they aren’t a traditional power, they don’t belong here, therefore they cannot be here legitimately” perspective (aka the Montlake POV).
My guess here is that whoever made the decision to involve Lyles did so because he saw other teams doing the same kind of thing, checked with compliance to ensure it was “legal” and went for it.
I’m hoping eventually someone pipes up and writes a book about exactly what went down. What’s surprised me so far — if this is a giant conspiracy to hide pay-for-player — is that nothing substantial has leaked from anyone involved. There have to be more than two involved in this, besides Lyles and whoever-pulled-the-trigger-on-the-deal-with-Lyles, maybe Campbell, maybe whoever. And in my experience, the more mouths attached to persons involved in a conspiracy, the more likely someone’s going to say something eventually.
The NCAA will clarify the scouting and street-agent issue. I just hope we don’t get caught in the undertow.
Verbing weirds language.
Rec'd for flying fuck at a rolling donut,
Flagged for lack of a flying fuck at the mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 21, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
We aren't the only program...
that has that shitty package, if this is the case.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
By the way...
Ryan Dunn from Jackass and a friend died today in a car accident. Dunn reached 110mph in his Porsche, lost control, and was incinerated.
For those who said Cliff’s antics were no big deal, look no further than this incident. And think about, Cliff was traveling 8mph faster…in a car not designed to reach that kind of speed.
I laughed at the headlines, thinking to myself, “Oh Cliffy.” But seriously, What happened to Dunn and his friend could have EASILY happened to Cliff.
Weird the stories were a mere days apart, as if Dunn was proving a point to those who didn’t care about Cliff speeding.
by DuckIt on Jun 20, 2011 6:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
In other news...
several other people died or were injured in car accidents today going at or under the local speed limit.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Tradition says you use up to date recruiting reports
Tradition doesn’t’ change, champions do.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
There is a simple solution for finding out whether or not Oregon
just got ripped off by Lyles or something nefarious is taking place on Oregon’s end.
Find Cal and LSU and see what they got for their money from Lyles.
Maybe they bought access to the same online password-protected database
that we did. Maybe the old notebook was part of the juco package we bought. Did all of the 140 in the book go to a 4 year college? Still, pretty crappy product from Willie.
Another thing...
if Lyles can deliver 5* recruits at will – then why did we drop him?
You think he’d be a hot commodity instead of a broken down recruiting nerd driving a 2000 Exterra.
Wtf?
If this sounds too stupid to believe, you may be on to something there. The merely unflattering explanation is that Oregon was ripped off by a con man who stuck the Ducks with a shoddy product — embarrassing, maybe, but there’s no NCAA rule against being gullible. The more cynical assumption is the same as it was when Lyles’ name first slithered up from the gutter of the recruiting trail in the spring: That Oregon found a loophole in the system that allowed it to “legally” funnel money to a middle man (Lyles) in exchange for access to certain recruits it already knew more than enough about.
Unfortunately, I’m more inclined to believe the bolded part. Especially because we “bought” a 2010 AND 2011 packet. If we were using these for a legitimate purpose, wouldn’t the coaches have realized after the 2010 packet that the information sucked? Why would we buy it again?
Jesus. The stupidity astounds me.
Link from Dr. Saturday’s blog.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 20, 2011 7:47 PM PDT reply actions
Hinton came to the same conclusion I did.....Oregon didn't break any rules but it went as far as it could without crossing per the letter of the law
I can’t decide if that makes the AD look like geniuses or complete morons based on the repercussions of those actions
What repercussions?
If we get hit with sanctions (still a highly doubtful outcome), then lets talk about repercussions. Until then, what has happened has had absolutely no impact on our football program.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Besides potentially creating the stigma of being a dirty program?
Transparency is always a difficult balancing act but Oregon did themselves no favors by releasing outdated recruiting information without providing any clarifying statements.
Besides potentially creating the stigma of being a dirty program?
So? Who cares? I don’t. Recruits don’t. And I’m guessing a large majority of donors won’t.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
What clarifying statement could Oregon make that wouldn’t provide additional fodder for news outlets to pounce on and try and create even more problems for Oregon?
Oregon does themselves no favors by talking to the media right now.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Or maybe they can, they just don’t want to incriminate themselves, which is the much more likely scenario.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Incriminate themselves to who? The NCAA?
They’ve had this documentation for a while now, so unless Oregon decided to get creative in their explanations I don’t see how releasing a one paragraph clarifying statement would incriminate the AD.
I don't incriminate is the right word
But should Oregon really give O-live a reason to make another Information Request?
Here’s what you recruited… now leave us alone.
Contrary to what Canzano might think, Oregon doesn’t answer to the Oregonian.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Besides potentially creating the stigma of being a dirty program?
Get used to it.
Verbing weirds language.
by benzduck on Jun 20, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Saw the original on the Disney channel the other day.
Sadly, my wife and kids didn’t really get how funny it was.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 21, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Were they all staring at you as you dissolved into giggle fits?
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
Ummm, no.
OK, yes. And it was worth it.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 21, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you say
“Haters gonna hate” out loud? I know I would have.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Yup, and walk around the room with the same strut.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Ken Goe's Link
Forgot to include it earlier:
http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2011/06/quick_take_oregon_football_and.html
Says we also paid for video and access to password-protected online video (Lyles’ site says complete database, access to scouts, and game highlights and video).
Who says they didn't give to those that matter?
We all have to keep in mind this is what Oregon gave O-live. The NCAA has had this info (plus probably more) for months now.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
So Oregon wants to be considered the posterboy for unethical recruiting practices even if everything was on the up and up?
Because they had to know that the at best ambiguous information provided would pretty much write that story line for the press
Doesn't bother me
As long as it doesn’t happen again, it won’t have much of a real impact.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I wouldn't have a problem with it if Oregon wasn't giving the press all the ammunition it could possibly want and then some
They’ve pretty much written a narrative for the press and letting them run wild it. This is why I can’t get upset at the news coverage about this. It’s like giving a two year old a paint set, walking away and then getting upset when child treats the floor kitchen floor like a canvas
Who cares what the press have?
Besides bad PR until the ADHD media turns their attention to something else. What does it matter?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Agreed. Matt may be a putz, but he’s good at that whole “perspective” thing.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The press can write whatever they want. As long as we followed the rules and don’t get hit with sanctions (despite serious looks from media and NCAA), I don’t care if this happens again.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Here's my impression of the media
OREGON PAID $25K FOR NO INFO…
SQUIRREL!!!
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
And when games start again
You know what matters? Not this shit.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
All that matters is the NCAA
In the end it doesn’t really matter how ‘shady’ any of this stuff looks. Haters gonna hate. The only question is whether or not we actually broke a rule AND the NCAA can prove it. Getting a bad deal is NOT illegal.
To put it in perspective, Cam Newton’s dad told the NCAA he tried to sell his son for cash. And they did nothing and will do nothing because somehow that’s not a rule, or they can’t prove that Auburn actually did pony up the cash for him. If THAT isn’t a violation I just can’t see how any of this recruiting garbage is going to result in a penalty for violating rules.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 20, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
So we are comparing ourselves to possibly the most corrupt program in the NCAA?
Sorry that doesn’t make me feel any better.
I read your firs paragraph and thought,
“I don’t want to be Auburn.” Then you mention Auburn.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
My point is that everyone is afraid of punishment for something that may not even be a violation of the rules. As far as the future of Oregon Football is concerned, bad articles by John Canzano are not going to knock this program back to the Toilet Bowl. And if it wasn’t this he’d be up in arms about Cliff Harris or Chip Kelly’s diet or the suspicious nature of Oregon players only practicing outside when it’s sunny (Does Chip Kelly Have A Secret Weather Machine?)
I’ll also add that right now we have NO context to these documents. The NCAA does. Chip and staff are not sitting down with the Oregon Live bloggers to explain what these documents mean and what else came with them. It’s not even new, but something the NCAA has had for months. We know they move slow, but we also know that they make an official investigation announcement if they see something bad and, despite having this information for quite some time, they have not taken that step.
I’m not arguing whether any of this is right or wrong, I’m only looking at the impact it will have on the program.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 20, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chip Kelly’s diet
I’d love to know, dude’s dropped like 30+ pounds over the last year.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
I think the street agent Richard Simmons is involved.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 20, 2011 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This is definitely an interesting take. At this point I sort of guess that we were simply buying elite access to players in Texas. So long as this loophole makes all of this legal, I am not all that worried. Collegiate recruiting has always been an unethical mess of a concept.
At least we haven’t bought any players brand new Pontiac Grand-Ams.
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Pontiac Grand-Ams?
I hope you meant Trans-Am, because offering a /Grand-Am/ would be on a par with offering a Chevy Malibu — illegal, but unlikely to win over any self-respecting running back.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 21, 2011 12:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless it comes with that Groupon to the Fayetteville Chop Shop
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Awesome
(WARNING: LINKS TO CANZANO ARTICLE) LINK
Apparently, Canzano got Gekko’s message and Oregon fans need to demand answers… because you know, AD Mullens ALWAYS answers my emails.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Will you demand better from Oregon? Will you stop making donations and buying season tickets until you know the Ducks are operating with clean hands? Will you inform Oregon that the standards will always apply as long as you’re around?
I just Laughed Out Loud….In Real LIfe.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
I don't necessarily agree with the extreme that Canzano takes it to...
But I wish things didn’t seem so sketchy as a fan.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 20, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome to the big time
All major college fb programs are sketchy to a point. That being said, we should do better.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Basically, we went as far up to the line as we could without breaking the plane
shady? Yes. Slimy? Yes. Par for today’s course? Yes.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
If that's what we did, I don't want to do it anymore
Way too risky . . . The only thing that keeps me from believing this will all blow up is the belief that Kelly would NOT be so stupid and jeopardize everything everyone has worked for so hard and long. There is no way!
Interesting point. We are talking about the behavior of the man two years ago before he had ever coached in a major program...
… when you say no way, how do you know that was the case back then? And, if you believe it, when does Bellotti get some scrutiny?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jun 20, 2011 10:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Remember the olden days, between March and mid-Sept 2009
when not a few fans of Oregon Football thought CK was in over his head? Especially right after the fBSU game? When Bellotti was lurking on the sidelines?
The staff and program may have thought moving Chip to HC was a slam-dunk, but I don’t care how much a genius you are, you spend months when you’re elevated to a leadership position just trying to figure things out.
Who really knows what the fuck was going on back then, besides the ones involved here?
Verbing weirds language.
Tradition says not going up to that line is wise
Tradition doesn’t change, champions do.
I know, I like this mem.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
ummmm, John
time to renew season tickets passed 2 months ago. Pretty hard to stop buying tickets now when, you know, there’s no season tickets to buy.
I can’t wait till Canzano writes his follow up piece in two months and declares victory because NO season tickets were sold since his last article.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Sigh.
I hate to say it, but at this point, I’m pretty convinced that we payed Willie to steer players to Oregon. I’m an Occam’s Razor kind of guy, and I can’t think of a simpler explanation.
My gut reactions, in no particular order:
1) The craven, self-interested football reaction: I’d like to think that we either didn’t violate the letter of the NCAA rules (more on that later), or that if we did, our punishment will be less severe for the following reasons:
(a) We don’t have an extensive history of recent major violations.
(b) Though it’s possible we payed for players, I don’t think we’ve yet been accused on any level of paying players. I actually think that’s an important distinction.
(c ) Thus far, I’m not aware of any attempts at a cover-up.
2) The “keep the sport pure hahahaha I can’t say it with a straight face either” reaction: In all seriousness, I do think that paying for players is bad. Not because it’s against the NCAA rules, but because it’s against the spirit of amateurism. I’m not naive enough to think that college football is at all what it appears, and my guess is that what we’re seeing right now is, moreso than we’d all like to admit, how the sausage is made. That said, I would like to see us try as much as possible to stave off a descent into AAU recruiting territory.* I don’t think that’s good, I don’t think it’s healthy or beneficial for the players, and I think it’s antithetical to the spirit of amateurism, which is something I still value.
3) The non-sequitur blog-minded reaction: It’s not my place to mention this, since I’m not a mod or anyone of any importance on the site, but I’m going to do it anyway. I’d like to remind our fellow AtQ users that when you post on other sites, you are an ambassador for the Addicted to Quack community. If Spazzy McGee, Gekko Mojo, or Paragon SC want to say things about Oregon and Lyles on their own blogs, you don’t need to defend the UO. No matter if we get in trouble for this or we don’t, you won’t help anyone by going to our sister blogs and insisting that our hands are clean — especially since more often than not, such arguments devolve quickly into combat.
4) The “fuck Jon Canzahno” reaction: I was going to shit in one hand and hold one of Canzahno’s sanctimonious, poorly-written, clickthru-mongering articles in the other to see which weighed more. The experiment failed because I couldn’t tell them apart.
*It’s quite possible that in time, professionalism will kill amateurism in college sports. But I do suffer at times from a chronic optimism, and I’d like to think that we can fight that off.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 8:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Silly but, payed = paid que no?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Whoops! Uh, yeah. I’m an idiot.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. That was just all over, too. Ugh, that’s pretty embarrassing.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Other sites...
…I know many of you cringe at other sites picking up on your program’s news. I get it. Still, it really isn’t gloating or wound-salting. Nobody does off season like Oregon and, truthfully, you guys are way more interesting than the commitments of some local recruits. On top of that, the activity around this blog is compelling and generates a lot for fans from other places to react to.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jun 20, 2011 10:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t say this enough, Gekko, but you’re good people.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
If we did, our compliance department is even worse than that of U$C (here's a hint: we didn't).
1. At the first pressie after the story broke, CK said that Oregon was not happy with the materials and services recieved from Lyles and would not be using him again, $25K or not. IF the fb coaching staff asked Lyles to steer recruits to Oregon and he did, why would the coaching staff not use him again? “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it,” right? Do you remember dying a little more during the Natty, each time a rushing play was called up the middle?
2. The NCAA requested two years of information, so it’s not that strange that there are recruits from the 2009 cycle. I have not read anything that mentions how many players are from that recruiting cycle, only that there were an unstated number. Some or all of them could be JC transfer players. That would work in the timeline and not raise any eyebrows. Oregon said they had difficulty determining which tapes were from where, so they provided a limited amount. Some of the recruits from the 2009/2010 cycles could also be from Flenory’s business (the name of which escapes me right now).
3. I hate to give a fusky props, but Gekko Mojo does have a good point: a lot of media outlets and journalists are looking at this simultaneously and without context, trying to be the one to break the next bit of the story. A lot of this may look bad, but out of context, but that doesn’t mean it is.
So, relax. Breathe deeply. We don’t know a lot of the facts. Not having information is no reason to freak out.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
In other news...
Darron Thomas was throwing to Vaugn in the MO today.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Yeah,
the not so funny thing is that we are going to have to talk football because the NCAA inquiry won’t have closure for some time.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
What's the summer practice schedule?
I didn’t make it in to see a practice in the spring but I really want to witness one of those crazy up-tempo practices this summer. How do I find out when it all happens, which ones are open to stalkers the public, and all that good stuff?
I don't there is a schedule
because they are unorganized team activities or UTA’s, from what I heard. There will be an investigation shortly by the Oregonian.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Dr. Saturday posted a hilarious tweet not too long ago about the situation
DrSaturday Matt Hinton
I love Oregon’s obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is. #canttouchthis
Dan Rubenstein
D: Holding out hope that Mack Brown will get to sit in on Oregon’s NCAA meetings. He’s come too far to be left out now.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Heh.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 20, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Worth Noting (no really)
Cliff Harris was NOT a part of 7 on 7 workouts today in the Mo. However, Kiko Alonso was.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
I'm having a hard time figuring that one out
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jun 20, 2011 10:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I have a theory
Kiko’s got an alcohol problem and one of the things he needs is a stable support system to help him combat his problems. So it stands to reason that he’d be allowed to be a part of certain team activities during his recovery and treatment.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
I meant why Cliff wasn't there ...
… An optional team workout doesn’t strike me as the kind of thing a suspension would apply to. I would guess he would do whatever he could to be there … But maybe his suspension applies to that.
As for Alonso, well, his presence on the team is pretty baffling given his history and the offense that he committed compared to Cliff’s. I can appreciate that he needs “support”, but is that the responsibility of a public university to provide?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
It's my understanding that suspensions/behavioral ladders are seldom, if ever made public.
Without rehashing twelve different fan posts and fan shots, Cliff and Kiko are not comparable, other than that they both screwed up and are (hopefully) working to redeem themselves.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 21, 2011 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions
With all the shit swirling about...
CK is going to slip Alonso into the starting lineup for LSU.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Harris is too busy filling out resumes.
That Duck needs to find himself a J-Oh-Bee.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 20, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
and staying after school
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 20, 2011 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Andy Staples of SI weighs in on the situation.
He is not amused, it seems.
Maybe Lyles fulfilled the bulk of his order with video. For Oregon’s sake, it had better not be video of the players profiled in the booklet. If Lyles indeed sent video of actual 2011 prospects from across the nation, then the Ducks must figure out exactly what he sent and present it to the NCAA and to the news organizations that have waited patiently for the school to fill legitimate open records requests. If they can do that, they have nothing to fear.
If that isn’t the case, then Oregon needs a whopper of a story to explain all this.
Verbing weirds language.
“Oregon has plenty of ways to explain this, but I’ve already dismissed them all and decreed Oregon a cross between Jim Tressel and Bruce Pearl.”
by JonathanPDX on Jun 20, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Will someone tell Staples $25k is chicken feed for us?
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
This is why nobody in the SEC is taking the Oregon case seriously, and the only ones with their panties twisted into thongs are other conference fans and local media experts.
“Y’all come back when you’re makin’ some real vy-o-laytions here, kids.. 25 grand gets us a long snapper.”
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 20, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
25 grand gets us along snapperhostess.
Speed Endurance Talent is how Track Town USA plays football. Win The Day
by webfoot73 on Jun 21, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
...who in turn brings in the long snapper. So to speak.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Lion King, All that
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Meaningful quote from Lion King:
“Those cats are fast but they never seem to get ahead.”
“Right. Cheetahs never prosper.”
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Your program is going to bribe someone with $25,000. So you
A. “Forget” a dufflebag full of hundreds in his car when down to visit recruits.
B. Write a check for $25,000 from the company account, then arrange for the bribee to put together a really crappy product to send to you as a “purchase” in case anyone comes asking, that is so sadly deficient that everyone will assume it was a shoddy cover for a bribe.
Easy quiz, right?
"and to the news organizations."
Err…why exactly?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes. TMML.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 21, 2011 12:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ryan Dunn.
Too bad. Too much car, probably didn’t understand the nature of a difficult beast like the GT3. From the sound of it, he didn’t know how to drive a car like the overpowered, rear-engined GT3. Left a 100 foot skidmark and went through the rail. The 911 series understeers into corners and oversteers out of them; all rear-engine cars do. Came in with too much speed, realized the understeer too late, hit the brakes, all to no avail. Carry too much speed into a turn with a car like that, it’s going to keep going straight ahead. Again, too bad.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:29 AM PDT reply actions
Worst thing you can do in a 911:
Lift off the throttle in a panic halfway through a corner you entered too fast for your skill level.
Unfortunately, instinct tells us to do just that.
Rear engine Porsches: Killing celebrities for 53 years.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 21, 2011 12:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup, if you're coming in too fast, you gotta hammer the brakes before the turn.
And if you don’t, better to let it drift a little than do something really foolish. It’ll come back to you if you don’t panic. Those tires will eventually grab on to the pavement again. Damn things are fantastic in every way, except when they’re trying to kill you.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions
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