Quack Fix: Ducks paid Will Lyles for outdated recruiting information, team starts summer workouts
by jtlight on Jun 21, 2011 6:45 AM PDT
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PrintWell, Willie Lyles day came and went, I hope it was as good for you as those guys at the Oregonian.
- Yesterday, Oregon released a large number of the documents relating to it's $25,000 payment to Will Lyles for scouting information. This number has garnered a lot of attention in recent weeks. But from what Oregon has released so far, it looks like the Ducks got nearly useless information from Lyles. His information profiled 140 players, but none of those players were from the 2011 recruiting class, even though Lyles invoiced was for a "2011 National Package." On top of that, the package wasn't exactly national, which players from only a handful of states. This will no doubt continue to fuel speculation that Oregon paid Lyles to steer touted RB Lache Seastrunk to Oregon. Despite the speculation, Oregon has not received a Notice of Inquiry from the NCAA.
- Bob Clark has some more details on the relationship between Lyles and the Oregon coaching staff. They phoned and exchanged text messages frequently over the past 4 years, when Chip Kelly was offensive coordinator. Of note, Kelly and Lyles exchanged 12 texts the day before LaMichael James committed to Oregon.
- Matt Hinton does a good job breaking down what this means to Duck fans. While the Ducks very well could have been taken for a ride, there's still no evidence of any NCAA violations.
- Want an SEC take? SBNation's SEC blog, Team Speed Kills has a good take on this topic. The author thinks that the most likely scenario is that Oregon paid for access to Seastrunk (and other Texas recruits).
- Ok, now for some real football news. Summer workouts are underway for the Oregon football team. Cliff Harris was not present at the first workout, but Kiko Alonso was. Also, 14 new Ducks are enrolled in summer school, including Devon Blackmon and Tacoi Sumler, though they will not join the team for about a week, as they work with Coach Radcliffe instead.
- Lastly, some of the SBNation college blogs are participating in a conference re-draft. Oregon was taken in the 3rd round.
It seems like everyone has an opinion on these topics, and we already have a lively discussion yesterday, so leave your thoughts in the comments. As always, GO DUCKS!
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Bleh
I really, really like Moseley. I just wish this had been a Schroeder blog so that I loath him more, but I tried to read it objectively and in doing so realize it’s mostly facts. There is a bit of supposition, but all in all it’s just facts. I think. Take the time to read what the comments say underneath his blog. There is some insight that even Moseley didn’t know or chose not to post in his blog.
Oh a happier note today is the first day of summer and the first 80 degree day is projected here in Eugene.
Tradition never changes. Champions do.
Moseley’s gone for the next few weeks. Anything posted on his blog is not written by him.
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I never saw it
I’m still trying to finish reading his sig
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Make him feel at home.
Offer him some free Nikes.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 21, 2011 7:57 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe, maybe not.
It all still remains to be seen.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Tennessee? Elite program? What is this, 1999?
Is this some kind of….Hot Tub Time Machine?
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 21, 2011 11:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I thot that sneakers grew on horizontal overhead wires?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Now I hit 'reply'.....
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I REALLY don't like any of this
Either
a – Chip Kelly got owned by some kid in TX and we all look like fools for it. No matter how great he is and how brilliant he is (and he certainly is both) Chip will always be clowned for this ridiculous mistake and there will always be an uneasiness that he may not have been playing by the rules. To that latter point, if we really did get deceived so heavily, why haven’t we come out against Lyles and told the college FB world to blackball him? Why didn’t we release the docs with a statement admitting that we got hosed, wouldn’t you want to be in a rush to prove that although you’re dumb, you’re at least not guilty?
b – Chip Kelly invented a new way to game the system and exploit a loophole. This would be yet another case of CK being brilliant and finding creative ways to think outside the box. However it is slimey and the work of degenerates like Tressel and I do not want to be associated with shit like this, UofO is too great a school and our football is too great.
In conclusion: This is no time for CK to be his normal, tight-lipped self. We need a lot of answers because right now our good name is getting dragged through the mud.
...GO DOUG...
by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Jun 21, 2011 8:19 AM PDT reply actions
On a lighter-note
At least Will Lyles will guaranteed never get another job in CFB again, he’s certainly going to join all the SC Football Alum who are pumping gas (as Kiffin promised to recruits while at Tennessee)
...GO DOUG...
by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Jun 21, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
First, who cares if we were “owned?” We had worked with Lyles before, thought it was a good investment, and unfortunately, it didn’t work out. That’s what happens when you take risks, sometimes it doesn’t work out. But we have money flying out of our asses, and I’d rather us try something that may give us an advantage than sit on our hands and count pennies like we’re OSU.
However it is slimey and the work of degenerates like Tressel and I do not want to be associated with shit like this, UofO is too great a school and our football is too great.
Oh, good grief. So following the rules (and I’m assuming that we did in fact follow the letter of the law) is now slimy? The rules are in place, and I hope the University uses that rules to give us the best competitive advantage possible. News flash: Jim Tressel did not follow the rules. He willfully ignored and then covered up NCAA violations.
Lastly, who cares if our name is being dragged through the mud? Boo hoo, John Canzano and some other know-nothings are writing bad things about us. So what? This has absolutely no impact on our football program or university.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on Jun 21, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
One at a time:
We got owned? We sure aren’t acting like it. If we really had been gamed then we would be screaming it from the roof-tops, trying to black-ball this kid and making sure he never has another job. ever. Everyone knows that in this case it is better to be foolish and guilty, why don’t we utter one word to make sure everyone knows it’s the former, not the latter?
Maybe this is “following the rules” but this is disingenuous, cheap, and slimey. I certainly hope you don’t “follow the rules” like this in your day-to-day life, otherwise you are leaving behind you a wake of angry people, burned bridges, and it will eventually come back to haunt you.
Our name being dragged through the mud. Yes, I absolutely care that people are saying terrible things about us (Canzano and SBB aside, naturally). I spent a lot of time and money getting my degree from University of Oregon. I am very proud of that. I do NOT like being associated with such base and shady operations like this. We are not from the corrupt football dynasties of the SEC and Texas, we are from OREGON, where thing for us are always more difficult and we are the under-dog and yet we are proud of all these things. At Oregon, we stand for something more than WIN AT ANY COST.
Even if we “played by the rules” we are better than this, and if you don’t agree then you can continue to applaud our actions as we continue down a very very slippery slope. I will not.
...GO DOUG...
by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Jun 21, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
If we assume that Oregon got taken for a ride by Willie Lyles, why in the world would we want to trumpet our own incompetence. There are no excuses you can give to make this situation look any better. Give the basic details, and move on.
I certainly hope you don’t "follow the rules" like this in your day-to-day life, otherwise you are leaving behind you a wake of angry people, burned bridges, and it will eventually come back to haunt you.
Wait, how has Oregon left behind wakes of angry people or burned bridges? If anything, Oregon is the one that got burned because they trusted someone that proved not to be trustworthy.
Lastly, let’s get a little perspective before we start talking about “winning at any cost.” No one is saying that we should throw all morals aside. In fact, despite whatever anyone thinks about these allegations, I believe Oregon is doing just the opposite. Chip Kelly is promoting teamwork, academics, and helping individuals become the best men they can be off the field.
I don’t care what the media spins this as, because I have confidence that Chip Kelly is doing things the “right way,” despite the feeling that recruiting practices may be shady.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
It may not have an impact on our football program
but it does not reflect well on our university. I know you’ve often stated that you don’t care what others outside the program think, but I do believe reputation matters in life, and I’m not fond of seeing ours dragged through the mud. Especially if we’re the ones that threw in into the mud in the first place.
I just CAN’T BELIEVE Chip Kelly knowing did something like this. I do realize that tOSU felt this way about Tressel until fairly recently as well. But I’ll admit that I am unlikely to believe that CK has done something so egregious until I’m presented with irrefutable evidence. He’s earned my loyalty until then.
Absurdity is my favorite.
Unfortunately in the media
Preception is reality.
I credit my urine for the victory.
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Unfortunately???? Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, et al, have been playing by these rules for years.
How does one craftily go about getting the rules changed? Ask yourself. Who has been throwing the SBD’s at Oregon? Can you say Mack Brown?
So, what would you do? They ain’t playing fair and haven’t been playing fair and nobody in the NCAA would even ‘dare’ to challenge mighty Texas and the way they played the game.
So, now it’s been done. And you want to be ashamed of your school? CK didn’t ride in here on a truckload of turnips, my friends. He’s just doing what needs to be done to level the playing field. Everybody chill. We in good hands with Chips Ahoy.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
by Famous Duck on Jun 21, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes it is unfortunate
Bad press does not ring well in parents ears. Put yourself in the shoes of a parent who is hearing from the media every off season that Oregon is full of a bunch of cheaters, criminals and thugs. Is it true? No, it’s not. But a lot of people are either too lazy or go along with what is told them to care. If people hear enough bad press, they likely won’t want to send their talented children to that institution. What’s the old saying 100,000 people can’t be wrong? Yeah they can, and often are. That doesn’t matter though when it comes to reputation. That is what is unfortunate.
I am in no way ashamed of my school, I fly the colors everywhere I go, particularly in enemy territory.
I credit my urine for the victory.
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by mackjones23 on Jun 21, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It seems that in recruiting, the perception held by college football fans has little impact. Everyone seems to think that Nick Saban is slimy, yet he is held in high regard by most parents. Because parents and students are involved in the recruiting process, they get to know the coaches and other players involved, and if the perception does not match the reality, it really doesn’t matter.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
That may be true
That’s not an aspect I had thought about before.
I credit my urine for the victory.
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by mackjones23 on Jun 21, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Saban puts guys in the NFL with his system and connections
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
This is the kind of statement which gives me pause about YOU Gek.
It’s argumentative (Yeah, but) around the theme but outside the logic unless you take the time to connect the dots.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Not sure that is the reality.
Despite the Masoli situation (parts of which included former players kicked off the team AND the current starting quarterback involved, passively in DT’s case), the James kerfuffle, the Blount incident, and all the rest, the team hauled in its highest-ever-rated recruiting class a few months ago. It seems that in practice, winning trumps bad press.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...the LA dynasty is over...
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3) Click “Wide”.
4) Enjoy your life, which is now far better than you could have imagined.
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by ProbablyMonty on Jun 21, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
'Scuse me while I whip this out.
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by benzduck on Jun 21, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To get a top recruiting class?
Pretty much. Setting aside this year, last year they had a top 20 class, which is typical. But ask yourself, is UCLA in the top 20? Near it? Hell no. This year they lost more than half their coaching staff and still pulled in a top 50. Not good, but given the lame duck situation their coach is in not bad. Before this year, you had the 50th best team pulling in top 15-20 classes.
LA
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, et al
Maybe we are the ones getting looked at because the NCAA won’t find anything worth anything in our program. Checking the others may open a can of worms the NCAA doesn’t want to get into.
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by webfoot73 on Jun 21, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now, that's what I call 'getting' the gist of my above post. A rec, sir.
Kelly is GOING to play be the rules. I’ve watched this guy come back from his runs on Pre’s Trail. He’s the ONLY guy (unless someone is running with him) who crosses Leo Harris Parkway in the crosswalk on the way back to the athletic department. The only one. Every time.
He is always playing by the rules, and MAKING the NCAA look at the existing rules because they are, and have been, being abused by ‘personages’ in Willie Lyles’ neighborhood (see my above post.) Those personages have now ‘confessed’ by name-dropping an encroacher (Oregon) to the media to instigate an NCAA infraction investigation.
Yes, there is/was a ‘risk’ involved but one well worth taking because Oregon’s legal minds have thoroughly scrutinized the rulebook, choosing now to remain ‘silent’ because after the smoke has cleared, Oregon will come out looking better than ever and some other institutions may come out with a little egg0 on their face-0h.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
by Famous Duck on Jun 21, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But what rules was he playing by
Not a direct criticism of Kelly. But Texas makes its own rules in its backyard, and guys like Lyles are part of it. It’s just the way the recruiting game is played. That doesn’t excuse paying for a player, but it also means Kelly wasn’t exactly going rogue and making this stuff up as we went.
Yes, there is/was a ‘risk’ involved but one well worth taking because Oregon’s legal minds have thoroughly scrutinized the rulebook, choosing now to remain ‘silent’ because after the smoke has cleared, Oregon will come out looking better than ever and some other institutions may come out with a little egg0 on their face-0h.
That seems like wishful thinking at best, self-delusion at worst. Better than ever? By what metric? We’re going to come out looking like ever major program for the past 20 years, dirty as hell. Which, in fairness, we appear to be. I get that its the price of admission to the top tier(whether I agree with paying it is another matter), but it is not something that is going to make us look good.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
That sir, is your erroneous opinion, without basis in fact.
The rules you question are the ones in the NCAA Handbook.
Texas does seem to make up it’s own rules, you are there correct. That prohibits other schools from recruiting in Texas, who has said in so many words for many years, “You wanna recruit here, you gonna pay a BIG price, son.”
Kelly answered Texas in his own way, not making stuff up as he went; he had this all mapped out before ‘the game’ started. Want confirmation that this is what he does? Ask any AtQ beast when he called the on-side kick in the 2010 Stanford game? Ask when he decided what he is going to do in the third minute of the second hour of the third day of fall practice for the football year of 2011-2012.
One tends to find the real answers in the simple things. And, of course, you can ask him…..
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I am really starting to believe that the end result of all of this will be that the common act of Texas High School coaches keeping their players “protected” from out of state coaches will ebcome exposed more so than Oregon getting in trouble. It really is starting to seem to me that Kelly found a way around this practice, Mack Brown got pissed and blew the whistle on us, and after the dust clears he will be exposed for creating a system where High School coaches act as mentors and steer recruits to schools much more than someone like Lyles does.
by echo31 on Jun 21, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can I hear some "AY - MENS? = RECS
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Menorrhea?
Really, really gross.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 21, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm trying not to fall in the sar chasm
“Mens rea” means “guilty mind” in Latin.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 21, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Amen's
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I agree, and possibly more constaints on the use of recruiting services
Based on what i have read so far, i don’t see where we have actually broken the rules (although it certainly is in the gray area). But i think the rules will change as a result of all of this. The question then will be who will the rules benefit?
Of course, more bad info could come out and we could be tanked but i don’t see that happening this late in the game.
I’m not making a bold prediction, but we believe we can win every football game.----Chip Kelly
ISWYDT
egg0 on their face-0h.
And I like it! 8-]
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 21, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, give it a fucking rec..
Signed: The Famous Rec Ho
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Is Daisy your pimp, too?
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 21, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever/whomever it takes...And, aDuck can't DO better than Daisy!
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Why is THAT important to you?
GM = NCAA?
GM = Clownzano
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
And I'm proud to be the ho rse that you rode in on.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Agreed on all counts Daisy
...GO DOUG...
by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Jun 21, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
How does it not reflect well on the University? Reputation matters, but only to a point.
I think the success of our players reflects the best. When our team has the highest GPA it ever has had, that’s something to be proud of. The rest of this is unimportant bullshit.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
In your opinion, which seems to be the minority. Not that that makes it an invalid opinion, but clearly others feel differently. I know that I’ve seen you criticize people for painting things in terms of black and white when there are shades of gray. Well, it’s not all unimportant bullshit to all other people. Some people care a bit. Some care more. Some care an awful lot about what people are saying about that school that got its name on their hat. Those people aren’t wrong, or even misguided.
Getting taken for $25k by a conman? That sucks. Paying $25k for shady reasons to a guy who’s steering players to our school? That’s even worse, in my opinion. I don’t like either of those things being associated with my school.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I'm not saying its good either
Just not that bad (granted I’m not an alum but still)
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I don’t think it’s that bad either. I’m playing a bit of devil’s advocate here, because I think there are some people who care quite a bit, and I don’t think those people are wrong for caring.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Meh. Live and learn.
Sounds like Slick Willie played the long con, working the Ducks over 4 years before pulling in the payoff. Rather it be this than paying players and/or their families or covering up systemic violations and lying about it. My real hope is that this crap doesn’t keep popping up.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
You can't control what others are going to think
This doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong for Oregon to wade into the shades of gray within the NCAA rule book, but as skywaker points out down below, it’s not the first time we’ve done so (calling it putting that Knight Law Library to good use).
Either way, some are always going to think Oregon is dirty, or slimey, or evil… blah blah blah. There is nothing we, Chip Kelly or Oregon on a whole can do to change that. If Oregon did something wrong, fine give us the punishment and let us do the time and hopefully we never do anything like it again. If Oregon walks in the shades of gray in the recruiting, I’m not going to lose much sleep worrying what other fans of other universities think about that.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
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How many would think Oregon is dirty and slimy if this stuff never happened? Some (read: bitter fusky fans) would anyway. That’s certainly true. But, now that Oregon has shown its football prowess on a national stage the last few seasons, it would be nice to enjoy the respect that comes with it but leave aside the large payments to conmen.
I don’t keep up with this stuff. I didn’t look at any of the documents, because, frankly, I don’t care all that much. I want to know the gist of what they say, as well as the possible ramifications, but the details bore me to tears. I want to talk about football, dammit. How is our o-line going to be next year? Is our defense going to survive the loss of some key players? Are we finally going to have an elite WR option?
I hate having to wade through the crap to get to that part. If this stuff never happened, I wouldn’t have to wade through the crap.
If this stuff (or stuff like this) never happened, would we have gained national prowess in football? I don’t know the answer to that question.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
it would be nice to enjoy the respect that comes with it but leave aside the large payments to conmen.
IMO, this isn’t even possible. Do most Duck fans have respect for the past national championship winners? Auburn, Florida, Alabama, Texas, etc. aren’t exactly swimming in the love.
On top of that, with the millions that Phil Knight has given to Oregon, our athletic department has become one of the most polarizing in the country.
This episode has seemed to merely reinforce whatever people wanted to believe in the first place.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
He makes an interesting point...
Personally, I’ve always been anti-Duck (at least after I moved from PDX to go to school at UW) in a semi-jovial fan-rivalry way. But I never regarded UO as a factory type of program like I did the UW when it was going through its worst times. I was a fan of Brooks and I respected Belotti. But, things just feel different now. maybe you are right – maybe it is the Knight effect, maybe its the winning, or maybe its the new in-your-face style of the program – maybe it’s all of these things that give the vibe that something isn’t right. Still, it just feels like what we went through in Seattle all those years ago.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
So let's say Oregon pushed the envelope... again
and is cleared by the NCAA with a “now we’re going to make it so no one can do that now.” Does it really matter that Canzano wrote his tripe, or that fusky fans think we still did something wrong, or that any of this really happened in the first place?
How many of us our wringing our hands with “WHY DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS” about driving recruits around in hummers, or making comic books of them? How many people cried “WOE IS ME AND MY SCHOOL” when that went down?
In the grand scheme of things, this is trivial as is worrying about what others think about it.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
At this point...
I am more concerned about the NCAA more than anything. When do you think the Oregonian, Canzano, Beaver fans, and Fuskie fans that are generating this attention, are going to quit? Other fans are laughing that the Oregonian is trying to bring down our major sports team. Whatever.
I am pissed because I can’t read a summer workout report without the underlying issue of possible sanctions looming in the back of my mind.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Generating coverage
When do you think the Oregonian, Canzano, Beaver fans, and Fuskie fans that are generating this attention, are going to quit?
Although I’d love to claim this sort of influence, I would hazard that national types like Staples, Feldman, Fischer, and Maisel could give a rat’s tush about UW and OSU fans bitching. You guys have real issues that have caught national attention on their own merits
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Bullshit.
The media is stirring the pot becuz tOSU has been beat to death and they need to write about something. BTW, you’re up early, perusing yesterday’s traffic.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Sure it’s trivial. College football is trivial. Why the heck do we talk about it at all? What do sports matter, other than as entertainment?
It matters because we enjoy it; we’ve attributed meaning to it. That’s why ESPN and sports media exists in the first place. People care. It’s fun to care. It’s a nice diversion from the rest of life.
As such, it matters what other people think of our favorite team. It matters because it affects our conversations with those people. It affects the writing that comes out about our team. It affects the way announcers talk about our team on TV.
If I remember correctly, you wrote a pretty intense piece about the way the media treated one of their own versus the way they treated Kikio Alonso. Why did you care? Why did that matter to you? It was a great piece, made better by the fact that you have an emotional investment in the subject. But really, it just came down to stuff other people were saying about a player on a football team you follow.
In the grand scheme of things? No, it doesn’t matter. The product on the field? That probably won’t be affected either, unless there are sanctions, which seems doubtful. But if all we cared about was “the grand scheme of things” and “the product on the field,” most of the conversations we have on this site wouldn’t exist.
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by Gorbachav5 on Jun 21, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Steroid Factor
If anyone saw the interview on Lance Armstrong’s use of seroids one thing was clear about the US Postal team. If you wanted to make the cut, to be on the same playing field, you needed to start doping.You could see this culture corrupted many who would never have done this, and if they were going to play with the big boys they needed to get in line.
So, is this what we have a case of, a universal loophole that all the major programs used, and if you want to play you gots to pay? Is this less about CK selling out and more about him justifying his actions as “everyone” else does it so until the NCAA says its illegal we’re doing it to?
Doing what’s right, shouldn’t have to rely on somone else telling you whether it is or it is isn’t. You should do it because you know its right. I love my alma mater, and if it means going back to the 8-5 days then so be it as making the team just doesn’t seem worth it at the end of the day.
Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
I don't know if I agree.
Football fans and college sports fans might care or have their opinion of the university influenced, but that completely loses sight of what the university is – an institution of higher education and research.
I seriously doubt anyone (with maybe an exception to those immediately and directly involved) that went to USC, tOSU, SMU, or any program like that, has had troubles with their career or have failed to succeed in their career, nor has a university’s research has been dismissed, as a result of their athletic department shenanigans.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
I also care what other people are saying about the university I graduated from. I much prefer the “Hey, you have a great football team” comments when someone sees my Oregon shirt over the “so you guys are the new USC” comments that I get. Maybe you don’t care, but I like talking to people about Oregon football. It’s interesting to me. I would love for those conversations to be about actual FOOTBALL, rather than spending the first five minutes trying to deflect questions about questionable recruiting practices and players being arrested.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Jun 21, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel the exact same way.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 21, 2011 11:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Probation Nation
I’ve been living wih that phrase for the last 10 years and it remains as embarrassing now as it did when Coug fans first brandished it.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
You’re trying to win at the top level and are worried about slimey? Not going to happen.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 21, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just try to be the best at it and hope that it is not your turn to get hammered.
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 21, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really worried about getting hammered.
Especially since there seems to be no intent to cover anything up AND since no player associated with this investigation has ever been active for a game. But the sleaze associated with living in the “gray areas” is uncomfortable.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Am I the only one continually amazed at how much news Oregon has been making these last 3 off seasons? I’m pretty sure that teh interwebs existed before 2008, and I just can’t seem to remember the media (outside Eugene) giving two shits about what the Ducks did during spring/summer before recently. Success has it’s price, I guess. Personally I think the Ducks found a loophole in some obscure NCAA bylaw #9,786,235,408 Paragraph Q; Subsection Alpha 18-Z that allowed them to “legally” funnel this Lyles guy cash for steering recruits our way. Just as long as this doesn’t lead to a nasty hammer getting dropped by the NCAA, I really don’t care what happened.
The one thing that bothers me about the allegations...
…is that if Oregon was going to deliberately break the rules, why would they go about it in this way? They left a paper trail that could be inspected by the media and subpeonaed by the NCAA. A true criminal mastermind would have gotten Uncle Phil to deliver a discreet payment to Lyles, and nobody could have ever proven that it had happened. And if they did buy Seastrunk, why did they redshirt him? I look forward to seeing what he can do on the field, but so far I haven’t seen any evidence that he’s good enough to be worth risking the NCAA penalties that would come from buying players.
"You could almost imagine Ducks coach Chip Kelly walking to midfield among the bloodied Bruins and shouting in his best gladiator voice, 'Are you not entertained?'" - Ted Miller
This is why I don't think we broke the rules
The rules need to be changed perhaps but although shady I don’t see a violation.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Yeah, it doesn’t make any sense.
When this first came out, I accepted the fact that we were buying access to players. After getting shut out early, we jumped into that game, that was permissible under NCAA rules.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Just because Seastrunk didn’t turn out to be good enough to see the field last year doesn’t mean we didn’t try to get him here. Once he got here, Kelly was going to play the best guys, and Seastrunk wasn’t one of them. His playing time isn’t evidence of anything.
Note that I’m not saying that’s what happened, just that those two things aren’t necessarily linked.
As far as the paper trail, look at what we’ve got. There is a paper trail and it doesn’t appear to result in any violations, yet there is still a distinct possibilty that it led to shady things. Phone calls and text messages could have occurred that augment the documents we see. So why would we go through the secret avenues you mentioned? That would surely result in some sort of investigation if it was ever uncovered. What they did was the smartest thing – have a paper trail that couldn’t lead to any violations.
Let me be clear – I’m not staying up nights worrying about it. I’d rather there wasn’t speculation and I wish I knew exactly what was going on, but chances are this was just a bad business decision. I don’t like that it leaves room for uncertainty, but that comes with the territory, I suppose.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Remember that the NCAA has had this stuff for quite a while now.
This FOIA request was for the info supplied to the NCAA. And the NCAA has as yet not started investigating UO specifically; this is still part of their investigation of recruiting services. I’m not saying this stuff won’t lead anywhere, but I will say so far the worst thing I see is incompetence and naivety on the part of our staff, which is bad enough.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m definitely not worried about sanctions. As you said, if there was going to be an investigation, it probably would have happened already.
But yeah, incompetence and naivete are not words I like describing any part of our football program, even if it’s only the back office.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
if you have been cleared by compliance, why not leave a paper trail?
Speed Endurance Talent is how Track Town USA plays football. Win The Day
This is the gist of the whole deal.
The paper trail is complete. Certainly no evidence of “intent” as far as breaking any rules.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember this isn't the same as the courts
There doesn’t have to be proof beyond a shadow of a doubt, they just have to agree they feel the rules were broken… and lets be honest 25K for old data thats not even relevant for 2011? thats not looking good
"Not looking good" isn't enough even by NCAA standards.
You have to do better than that. And as far as “intent,” the ‘AA isn’t stupid. Their explanation of any wrongdoing has to pass at least reasonable sanity check.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
SC is lucky they got off as lightly as they did.
If certain people had talked rather than falling on their swords, it could have been much, much worse.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhh, who fell on their sword? The only link the NCAA had between USC and the Bush payments was Todd McNair, who is now suing the NCAA.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Is suing the NCAA, sure.
We’ll see how that goes.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
There's a long history of coaches censured by the NCAA winning in court.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
And?
You’re not implying that predicts future outcomes accurately, are you?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
IOW:
What’s the best-case scenario here? What’s the end game? He’s looking for a payout. He hasn’t, as far as I know, even filed yet. Best case, the NCAA wants this issue closed and gives him a quick payout. Worst case? The NCAA gets to subpoena everyone from Carrol to Kiffin to their compliance office and put them under oath on the witness stand and grill them for the answers they weren’t under pain of law to give during the NCAA investigation.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The 'anything could come out in court' argument is an old one,
but it’s dead now. NCAA’s 5 year statute of limitations on starting a new investigation has passed over the Bush era.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
Which means what, exactly?
That they’d be happy with anything that came out of such a court case?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what insider knowledge you have with respect to what these other certain people knew but didn't disclose.
So I can’t argue in respect to that point.
However, as I remember the Bush Investigation it had to do with him receiving impropert benefits from an agent, in which McNair may have been responsible for getting the agent access to Bush. Their punishment was worse than Alabama’s where boosters, people associated with the institution, were directing money to players/recruits.
From that space, I can’t see how the punishment could have been worse.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The allegation is that McNair knew about it and didn't report it.
McNair refused to talk with the NCAA. If this was going on with provable direct knowledge, it certainly points to “lack of institutional control.” From what I’ve read, the current punishment was based partially on gained evidence but lacked direct provable knowledge.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
My first comment
alludes to the McNair evidence, which is really fantastically poor when you read the documents.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
He could have cleared it all up at the time.
Why didn’t he, exactly?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
McNair did sit down with the NCAA.
You’re really misinformed.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
In 5 or 6 years, how many u$c fans will have learned or remembered how to pronounce Seastrunk's first name?
The importance of your shitstorm to you doesn’t make it really important to others.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 22, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahah,
I think that Duck fans should find our shitstorm more than slightly relevant this week.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
Trollers gonna troll
You deserve Lame Kiffin.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 22, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Its true.
By the time we got Seastrunk, most schools had cooled off on recruiting him. His stock slipped a lot his senior year (from what I have heard. I dont know if this is entirely true) so why not hypothetically attempt to “buy” some sure fire talent like Lattimore instead? Why would we risk everything for Seastrunk? It doesnt make sense.
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
He was “barely” a 5 star recruit by the end of his senior year.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
And he displays some problems running the ball up the middle. Still trying to go outside..
by Prillan Generalen on Jun 21, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Canzano is crazy if he thinks I’m giving up my season tickets for this. I mean, even if it is a worst case scenario, this too shall pass. We’d pay the price, the penalty and eventually life woud go on. CK won’t be our coach forever. Rob Mullins won’t be our AD forever. The program will outlast the current players in this drama.
He must have NO CLUE how impossible it is to get season tickets in a good section with a good, close view. I’m handing my tix down to my kids in my freaking will. He must want to get his hands on some, perhaps to make some cash in the resale market, so he’s trying to shake things up to free up some inventory.
Absurdity is my favorite.
He wants to create controversy
And he’s good at it.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Who cares what Clowny says?
I’ve still not figured out how he became the voice and conscience of the Duck Fan. Oh wait, he isn’t. He’s a bloviating gasbag who has nothing to lose with his false indignation. No horse in the race. What’s it to him either way?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t really care what he’s says, but surprisingly, he’s still occasionally able to make my jaw drop with his incredibly stupid, inflamitory statements. I just started laughing out loud when I read the part about "Are you going to give up your season tickets to “show” the university you mean business". Yeah, whatever John. See ya at Autzen on Sept. 10.
Absurdity is my favorite.
That's his go-to move.
I believe he is what is known as a “rabble rouser.” Unfortunately for him, we’re not “rabble,” but people who can actually think for themselves. His calls for the pitchforks and torches would be amusing if they weren’t so transparently self-serving.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I still don't understand why you people keep spelling his name correctly
never mind actually read his columns.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
So the suggestion is to not show up, thereby giving the athletic department money in exchange for no services rendered?
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
…So Canzano wants us to hire Willie Lyles as the new AD?
by JonathanPDX on Jun 21, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Flagged for spelling and, Crapzano hisself has his/her application in.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
He should give up his Press Pass to show that he means business.
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by axemen23 on Jun 21, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec on!
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I’m pretty sure this is a copy and paste job from one of his many Jail Blazer articles.
Fans aren’t supposed to be rational. We are supposed to support our team. Sports are supposed to be an escape. I care about watching highlight plays on 12 Saturday afternoons each year.
I could honestly care less about the NCAA’s faux amateurism rules and the hundreds of loopholes they create. If you want pure amateur sports, I’ll send u the link for Linfield’s season ticket page.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jun 21, 2011 10:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He wants to create a narrative of standing for good, and holding “x” accountable for itself and actions when they do bad.
He has said the same thing regarding the Blazers in the past too.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
He’s always had this sanctimonous air to him, it’s always good or bad, he’s like one of those televangists.
My money is that in real life he’s a gambling, crack addict, who cheats on his wife with small marsupials.
Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
Wha...wha...what do you have against marsupials...
that you would cast the idea of them being involved in a sexual relationship with said columnist?
There are hundreds of species of marsupials on this continent and I have yet to encounter one that wasn’t awesome, even the small ones.
Now I’m having mental images of a bald head poking its head out of its mother’s pouch a couple weeks after birth.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
/bigtears
Little baby kangaroos are soooo cute, plus they have the same name as my biggest duck crush ever. With that name, they must be perfection.
WHY DO YOU HATE AUSTRALIA DAMIENS???
Absurdity is my favorite.
Have you ever lived on an island?
It gets old fast.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
Is this a movie quote?
Because it sounds like a movie quote that I don’t get.
If it isn’t Star Wars (and it isn’t) or the Princess Bride (don’t think it’s this one either), then knowing this crowd it’s either Dumb and Dumber or The Big Lebowski.
Absurdity is my favorite.
I don’t know, Daisy. The french are assholes.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
More like a historical retrospective, but it's still all pretty great.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
We all live on an island....duh.
And we all get old fast. Except for benz. He was born old.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Old jokes seem, I don't know, old to me.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It's only an island when you look at it from the water.
/martinbrody’d
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Australia...
It’s New Zealand that I can’t stand!
D.
Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
The funny part is there are several specific violations in the NCAA manual that literally weren't there before Oregon used them to recruit folks
Examples:
1. You can no longer create a comic book showing the recruit as the hero.
2. No more using private jets to bring recruits in.
3. No more green hummer to bring recruits to campus.
We’ve always been inventive and one step ahead of the NCAA.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Jun 21, 2011 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That all just sounds slimey
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
But at the time we did it none of it was against the rules
Thankfully we’re a major enough program now we don’t need these gimmicks like we used to.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I think you might have slipped into the Matt Daddy sarchasm here.
Wow…talk about sounding slimey.
Absurdity is my favorite.
It woulda been slimey ifn we'd brought them to campus on a banana slug.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
by Famous Duck on Jun 21, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Who do you think we are?
Fan of the cheese on the nachos, the Oreo of Explosion, Cool Brees, CP3, the J-Hey Kid, Pizza, and the real Matty Ice.
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by AllSaintsDay on Jun 21, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
UC Santa Cruz?
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
by axemen23 on Jun 21, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We're OREGON. Home of the banana slug AND Eugene's own, Slug Queen..
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I'm sorry sir, the answer I was looking for was "UCSC"
Fan of the cheese on the nachos, the Oreo of Explosion, Cool Brees, CP3, the J-Hey Kid, Pizza, and the real Matty Ice.
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by AllSaintsDay on Jun 21, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing. Did you see a question mark in the answer I was looking for?
Fan of the cheese on the nachos, the Oreo of Explosion, Cool Brees, CP3, the J-Hey Kid, Pizza, and the real Matty Ice.
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by AllSaintsDay on Jun 21, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Do NOT mention salt around our most holy slugs
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Learn to go at things with conviction, son.
Fan of the cheese on the nachos, the Oreo of Explosion, Cool Brees, CP3, the J-Hey Kid, Pizza, and the real Matty Ice.
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by AllSaintsDay on Jun 21, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I thot you just misspellt.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Yellow Hummer it is!
It will make them feel like they were on the first season of Entourage.
The kids still like Entourage right?
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The best part of this folks
September 3rd is one day closer than it was yesterday. Once games start, this stuff fades.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
He's either day-to-day or out for the season.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Clown
He’s going on ESPN at 12:30 to talk about how immoral we all are or something.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Is the special referee Willie Lyles? I hope gives a Stone Cold Stunner to Mack Brown as Seastrunk scores the game winning TD.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jun 21, 2011 10:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Once again Oregon going into Texas, EA's on the take!
Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
Um, I'm watching this, and I think they gave Lamichael James a full set of dreads...?
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
That’s because it’s not LaMichael James, it’s #21 for Oregon.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
They certainly got the AI right for the ducks
4th and 9 and the CPU-run ducks just faked a punt.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
LOL
they say the demo is sponsored by Nike. Any way in which Nike $ influenced this choice?
...GO DOUG...
by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Jun 21, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
#amateurism
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jun 21, 2011 1:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Your linky borked my puter.
And before you ask, no, I’m not running IE.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
Reading the reaction about the $25k we paid for bad info has me a little amused
I work in consulting in NY and see much more business savvy organizations than the UO athletic dept pay much more than 25k for crap all the time. I don’t think I’m being naive to say that it is entirely possible that the AD simply paid for crap, learned their lesson and moved on.
I mean, 25k is what Nick Saban makes in a single working day. It is a couple first class flights to NY and back. It is 0.03% of our athletic budget. I doubt that we spent a great deal of time considering the cost Could this money have been used to grease the wheels to get some unfair advantages? Sure, but the fact that we overpaid for some crappy package (which other schools did as well) means very little to me as evidence.
My take
Once you’re at a certain level in college football, the perception is that you are dirty until you prove yourself to be clean.
Any attempt to prove yourself clean will be interpreted as further convincing proof that you are, in fact, dirty, and in fact dirtier than you were before the attempt.
Declare victory and move forward. Fuck ’em.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 21, 2011 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm confused...
25k is not enough to “buy” two elite running backs as has been implied. 25k is too much for a scouting service. Therefore, the truth must lie somewhere in between.
My opinion is that Lyle’s did the legwork for his former employer and ventured out on his own, with Oregon as one of his Client’s. He amounted to a fly by night kind of guy, who clearly didn’t have the proper infrastructure up and running like other established services.
But none of that mattered to Oregon because ultimately what Oregon wanted was simply access to and information about Texas recruits. They essentially used Lyles as a private investigator.
One interview I heard really stuck with me: This scout said that they are able to provide information that high school coaches cannot about their players. They can find out if the kid has drug problems, violence problems, “girl” problems…..they can really dig into their background and disclose information that a coach legally cannot.
I can see Oregon basically paying Lyles a fee and saying “go search out talent you think we should pursue”. Is that illegal? I don’t even know…
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Its not illegal to hiring scouting services
Not yet anyways.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
The NCAA now thinks so.
If you remember, the morons at NCAA HQ recently overreacted and pulled the rug from under schools subscribing even to Scout and the others, and told every school to report secondary violations if they were using them.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
And lets use "against the rules" rather than "illegal."
There are no laws making the use of scouting services “illegal.” There are only NCAA rules.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, it fits within the normal usage of “illegal.” cf. illegal formation.
Fan of the cheese on the nachos, the Oreo of Explosion, Cool Brees, CP3, the J-Hey Kid, Pizza, and the real Matty Ice.
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by AllSaintsDay on Jun 21, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Couldn’t the booklet with old info just be a sample?
Couldn’t it be as simple as Lyle’s doing everything online now and therefore not having a new booklet to provide so he provides an old booklet and says something like, “imagine all of this info but accessible online with the click of a mouse, and now including videos”?
That would mean, or at least, imply, that Oregon wasn’t providing the information that was requested.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
have we been told that this was everything? i seem to recall being told that we also paid for online access
Again, this material was what was requested via a FOIA inquiry.
This isn’t a dump of everything, only of what was INITIALLY requested by the NCAA. There’s almost certainly more material out there that wasn’t included in the initial request.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
INITIALLY requested by the NCAA
maybe they wanted to go back in time to check the longevity of the relationship
Speed Endurance Talent is how Track Town USA plays football. Win The Day
FOIA requests can't be overly broad.
IOW they can’t say "we want every document ever produced by the UO and its athletic department that might possibly have anything to do with this case. In this case, the request covered the documents cited in the NCAA’s initial request.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't remember the name but the guy runs The Postgame, he works with Synergy Sports, has a law degree, and has experience dealing with these scouting services
The guy cautioned fans reaction to the lack of material provided in the document dump because he highly doubts released everything they had. Also provided some general insight on the Scouting industry as whole
They didn't release everything they had.
They released what was asked for in the FOIA request. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Off topic - but totally worth it for PDX residence...
Great groupon for beer in the Pearl.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
Nice call...picked up a $10 for $20 powells deal from google offers toda as well
by ppilot on Jun 21, 2011 1:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What will google offer?
What will google offer? What will google offer?
If I hear that one more time I may have to upgrade to Pandora’s premium service.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
JShufelt, I don't want to alarm you...
but some guy named Joe S has comondered your blog.
This may or may not be the same guy who has completely revamped your Twitter account.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
WHAT THE HELL?!?!?!?!?!?!
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I know right.
You get the pitchfork, I’ve got the torch.
That’s how these things work right?
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Ted Miller's most straightforward "what we should worry about" link
mentioned possible lost victories. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s no way we could possibly have to vacate wins, since under the absolute worst case scenario we would never have played an ineligible player. Lache redshirted, and you can be sure UO will run his eligibility by the NCAA before the season if it hasn’t already been decided by then. LaMike is the only connected person to play… and he signed 2 years before Lyles was paid. The NCAA can use magic timelines sometimes, but there’s just no way to stretch the Lyles connection to make LaMike ineligible. Right?
Did we pay LaMike any money?
Nope. Then he can’t be ruled ineligible.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jun 21, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The records show
a lot of contact between Kelly and Lyles while Kelly was OC during LaMike’s recruitment. Don’t know if that’s enough, but it does connect Oregon, LaMike, and Kelly together.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
Lyles was still at his previous employer (who, as I recall, is not a big fan) at that time.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 21, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Cecil Newton shopped Cam, but Cam remained eligible
why? Cam didn’t get any money.
No money, no ineligibility for LaMike.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
It all other cases, if the parent benefitted
it was the same as if the athlete benefited. Cam Newton is a total anomaly.
Of course, Lyles is not LMJ’s father, so the comparison is kind of moot. But the point remains: No payment to LMJ, no ineligibility.
I’m still baffled at the amount of money. 25k is too low to “buy” college players based on comparable data such as Peterson’s 80k and Newton’s 180k.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
There was no evidence that Cecil Newton actually benefited from shopping Cam. I know, I know, that’s likely total crap, but that was the reason for Cam’s quick reinstatement.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Newton was an expedient, not an anomaly.
Let’s be clear on that. The NCAA bent over backwards to avoid A) the Heisman frontrunner being shitcanned and B) TCU getting a nod for the title game. Disgraceful.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
So as long as we pay all of our players, they’ll always be eligible to play!
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
You are assuming the Newton issue is over. I'm not sure that is the case for Auburn
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
This sounds sane.
But we’re talking about the NCAA. None of the players supposedly involved in this has ever been active for a game.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope College Football Live asks Les Miles about what he got from Willie Lyles too.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jun 21, 2011 12:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
And of course they didn’t. Seastrunk > P. Peterson apparently. ?
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jun 21, 2011 12:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure that means anything.
There has been as yet nothing that proves real wrongdoing. I’m not even clear that there’s been anything that proves minor violations as yet. So where’s the “smoke” and what “fire” is it a harbinger of?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
what "fire" is it a harbinger of?
Yummy charred flesh?
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 21, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
Fan of the cheese on the nachos, the Oreo of Explosion, Cool Brees, CP3, the J-Hey Kid, Pizza, and the real Matty Ice.
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by AllSaintsDay on Jun 21, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes that which resembles smoke is nothing more than steam.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 21, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
At this point, any “smoke” that might be visible might possibly point to minor violations if any rather than a “fire.” I’m not saying this couldn’t still get much, much worse but there is no indication so far that it will. Every time the “media” gets all fired up about upcoming news on the subject, it turns out to be…well, not much of anything.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, we're sketchy as hell
whether we’ve broken any rules is another matter entirely
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jun 21, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh. Succinct and truthful.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
here's what i meant
for the ncaa to be asking, for will lyles to add a $25,000 package the day after allegations came out, to get crappy materials for $25,000, the patrick peterson visits will lyles took (that could be extrapolated to our case), all make for some suspicions. like with lance, too much smoke for there not to be fire, barry bonds, too much smoke for there not to be fire.
Huh?
The website thing is a non-starter. The Ducks had an ongoing business relationship with Lyles. It’s not like he said “go look at my site for the pricing” to them. So he didn’t have an up-to-date site. It certainly didn’t matter to anyone involved in the process from the UO perspective. Compliance cleared it, PO’s were issued, a check was cut. Where’s the smoke?
How does Lyles’ visit Peterson affect the Ducks? “Extrapolated?” That’s not anywhere near “proof.” And the only “evidence” of any wrongdoing is from a rival for Peterson’s services. A rival FROM TEXAS. Coincidence?
Barry Bonds? Why are you comparing your apple to my orange?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
So, what are the odds that we see this from someone in the athletic department this week?
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 21, 2011 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Not high enough
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
Oh lord they are making a Will Lyles movie
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Gary Sinise.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Gerard Butler from 300.
I say just plug in King Leonidas as Chip Kelly. They are pretty much the same person.
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
John Mooney
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
George Carl
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Who is going to play that piece of crap he tried to pass off as a multistate recruiting package?
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 21, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
TMML
But it will probably be a documentary.
/flaggedforspellingtheclownyone’snamecorrectly
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 21, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know what scares me far more than any of this crap
How batshit crazy Les Miles is: http://www.lsusports.net/mediaPortal/player.dbml?id=777360&db_oem_id=5200
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
He and one of the kids (his?) were still wearing Uncle Phil's shirt.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 21, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well they are a Nike team
Those shorts man, nightmares.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
ok seriously
what the hell was that?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Les Miles being Les Miles
Dude eats grass after all.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
If I'm the production director for the game in Dallas
I set up a Beginning-to-end “Les is more” cam, where there’s one camera that’s constantly zeroed in on Louisiana’s famous grass-eater. Bonus points if they get him miked as well.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Hey, look. They have a shitty team video archive also!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
The backstory on Willie Lyles?
This is from a very reliable source (A unnamed head football coach at The University of Texas):
He isn’t actually a punk. He is a good kid. What happened is, he was scouting a high school game and some players killed a guy. He did the right thing and flagged them in his scouting report. As a result the players put a hit out on him and his family. The hit is credible and they truly fear for their lives. As a result, he shot Oregon an old scouting report without the flagged content to protect himself from the threat. That’s why he was crying when these documents were released. He was the guy that was actively scouting other players so they could be recruited by Oregon. He did us a tremendous favor by waiting to take our money until after we had our 24 guys.
The kid is heartbroken.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 21, 2011 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
I hope I never see the day when this meme gets old!
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 21, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
and that’s why I gave it a rec HRD
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Zombie Meme actually isn't a punk.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 21, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What I'm looking forward to in 2011:
Watching a game without hearing a single Masoli reference.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
You're slick
But Im at work and my speakers are off!
I credit my urine for the victory.
http://taborsbigleaguechew.blogspot.com
"Quick Draw" Clowzano focuses on the target.
Compliments of EDSBS
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 3:03 PM PDT reply actions
So Lyles Radio interview has hit the interwebs
And he “guarantees that U of Texas paid high school coaches to send players to them”. I understand that the guy wants to stick up for himself, but he should really keep his mouth shut until this blows over.
Or hire an attorney.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
Lyles doesn't unnerstan somethin.
TEXAS HAH SCHOOWEL COACHES ARE THE LEADERS OF MEN AND MOLD THEYAH BOYS INTO CHAMPEENS, whereas STREET AGENTS ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
High school coaches in Texas
have talked to everyone from Mack Brown on down and they don’t like Willie Lyles.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
Why do you think that!
Of course they don’t! If it is true that Texas pays coaches to “steer” prospects to them. They would do anything in their power to get any obstacle out of their way.
by Prillan Generalen on Jun 21, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I would really like to learn more about
the whole Texas high school football coaches being paid crap tons of money to coach at UT sponsored camps thing. This seems really interesting, and it seems like an obvious way to potentially steer recruits and garner access.
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
I wonder....
What really bugs me is the fact that Oregon released the documentation without reviewing it better. But then again, are they really that stupid to think that all these reporters would be able to figure out that all those recruits had already signed with other schools by the time they got the package?
This is extremely confusing. Even if the documentation was up to date and the prospects were to be the 2011 recruit class it really not a lot of paperwork for 25 grand. I know nothing about scouting and would have been able to put together three times as much information than that in 3 months of just visiting random high school teams.
I sure as hell hope they are not that stupid….
by Prillan Generalen on Jun 21, 2011 3:33 PM PDT reply actions
What do you mean Oregon didn’t review them better? Oregon had requests for documents under FOIA. They had to release those documents. It isn’t a matter of reviewing the documents or not. They had no choice.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Not sure what you're getting at there.
They didn’t have a choice as far as releasing the documentation. It was a FOIA request.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
A few things could be happening here:
1. More is to come.
2. They released exactly what was requested and nothing more.
3. They are preparing the “Will Lyle’s ripped us off defense”.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
clarify
guess what I am getting at is implied hope that the Ducks actually has more than this to show the NCAA.
by Prillan Generalen on Jun 21, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like the part that keeps getting downplayed is the online access and videos. According to this article:
Oregon released few videos, explaining the coaching staff habitually catalogues video by prospect without identifying the source of the video. Some recruiting video is available only on password protected websites for services such as CSS, and could not be released by Oregon.
I honestly think that the bulk of what we paid for was video and online access … things that won’t show up in the documents that were released.
Hope so too!!
I really do hope so. Because it really looks like Lyles scrambled to get them something for the 25 grand and it really looks like they got ripped the hell off.
by Prillan Generalen on Jun 21, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s likely impossible to prove what happened unless the videos can be traced
i feel like the media is playing a game of sleight of hand though, by drawing most of our attention toward the crappy paper packet so that we won’t realize that most of what we paid for is digital
Could be
Bad press is better for sales than good press so I guess they will milk this as long as they can until NCAA decides not to conduct any further investigation, OR, when they are done with it.
If this is still ongoing and Lache has a good game (assuming we win vs LSU) it will flame up again.
by Prillan Generalen on Jun 21, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
by axemen23 on Jun 21, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
It's on the internet
It’s written in ink
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
New addition to my signature – just as a friendly reminder.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." -Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
by JShufelt on Jun 21, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK. I hereby state that Lache Seatrunk is the POTG for the LSU game.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be nice! He is fast but need to work on his down the field and up the middle approach. Was kinda worrying when watching spring game how he still is trying to get around the sides. High school – sure. Fast LSU college defense? Not going to work without some amazing receiver blocking..
by Prillan Generalen on Jun 21, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem isn't so much whether he's fast enough to get outside.
It’s that he didn’t use his blocking and tended to try to bounce outside when the correct read would be to go inside. LaMike did the same thing his RSF year, especially in the first half of the season. And he reverted somewhat after the Tennessee run until CK gave him a bit of a dressing down. He has patience now and waits for his blocks. Look at UCLA 2009, the “double spin” play. He gets out of trouble in the endzone, then spins again and gets open. BUT he tries to simply outrun everyone, doesn’t set up his downfield blocking, and gets taken down by a defender who played the angle. Could have been a 99-yard TD.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Lache for Heisman!
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jun 21, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He never said who had to declare him POTG...
I credit my urine for the victory.
http://taborsbigleaguechew.blogspot.com
That's why I did it proactively.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't even know what he meant by POTG.
Proprietor Of The Grill?
Person On The Gravytrain?
Purpose Of This Generalization?
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
DON’T COMPLICATE THE ISSUE.
He said POTG which we’ve all interpreted to be Player of the Game. BGWM then declared Lache POTG. This issue is closed.
Absurdity is my favorite.
by daisyduck on Jun 21, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you, Daisy!
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec’d. I originally said “Don’t fuck this up, Benz!”
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
“You should listen to [her], Flounder. [She’s] pre med.”
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 21, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
v
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 21, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I've got a new sig.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Let's just go ahead and make this green
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
If you paid 25k for...
recruiting information and then had to turn it over to the Oregonian as a public info request, would you consider using a sample booklet instead of the real information? Seriously, you think Oregon wants the whole world to have that info? From what I can tell, there is no punitive action the Oregonian can take besides dragging the AD in front of a judge to comply? This seems more possilbe than a pay for play conspiracy.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
It’s was released via the Freedom of Information Act. I don’t think they can legally withhold that information.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
From what I am told...
there is no punitive action the Oregonian can take except for drag them in front of judge. I really don’t know.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Uh
That sounds pretty punitive to me
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
Not if it's to make them...
open of the records. From what I am hearing, organiztions stonewall these requests all the time.
Juju is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Are these organizations public?
Where are you “hearing” this, teh interwebs?
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 22, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
There is no "freedom of information" for the public regarding private organizations.
And he is correct, FOIA are stonewalled in the courts, sometimes for years.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 22, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for offering to clarify.
I know FOIA doesn’t apply to private organizations. I didn’t know if BD knew that. And I guess you didn’t know that I knew that.
That begs the question, did u$c release documents?
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 23, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
400 text messages exchanged?
Per the Bob Clark article.
So, either UO or Willie Lyles was drunk and horny at some point over the four years.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 5:20 PM PDT reply actions
400 text messages in 4 years?
100 a year
Around 12 per month
3 a week
Wow, that’s some non-stop sexting going on there.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
Math sure is hard
Make that around 8.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 per month.
2.08333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 per week.
I guess it’s quality, not quantity?
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
Who's hitting up the same booty call every week?
We’re big time now, mix it up! Exercise that Ho-ledex.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Who needs a Ho-ledex?
I just email Daisy.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Oh, you did NOT just call Daisy a ho.
Where is the moral outrage? Where are my backers? My posse? My peeps?
Someone needs to beat up Matt Daddy for me!!
Absurdity is my favorite.
ummm, no I didn't
You’re my Ho-ledex aka Pimp
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Sorry, Daisy wins that one.
I took it the same way.
Good luck neuheiseling your way out of this one.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 21, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec for verb-ing neuheisel.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
We still get to use that after he gets shit-canned, right?
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 22, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I've been using it since before he was shit-canned the first time.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 22, 2011 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kinda reads like you don't need a whole bunch of ho's because you got one really easy one.
Regardless, I dont’ see this going well for you in the end.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's screwed the pooch here.
Not literally, that’d be disgusting.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
Meh
I know what I meant, if Daisy gets overly defensive about someone calling her a ho… oh well.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Touchy touchy why so serious.
Daisy, you’re worse than Lyles. I’m sure you wouldn’t offer any services even for $25K.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, that's the weakest apology I've heard in a while
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
This one reads like Kowalski.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
So what you are saying
is that you are under no obligation whatsoever to make yourself clear. And if, in your inability to articulate a clear point, someone misunderstands your vague references, then it’s just too bad for them.
Okay, no problem you…HUSKY LOVER!!! And by that I only meant that you are a friend to dogs and probably a great supporter of the humane society. I swear.
Absurdity is my favorite.
by daisyduck on Jun 21, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is just plain wrong
You should never capitalize husky.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
x
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Chip Kelly's nemesis.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess the question that comes to my mind is
Is that unusual? Do scouting services typically have follow up outside the “packages” they deliver with the schools they sell them too? Rivals still hasn’t texted me regarding my monthly subscription. Or is this just further explanation/excuse that Oregon either had something shady and wrong going on, or was taking advantage of the access they purchased by getting updates.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Ahh who the hell knows?
We need to keep this in context. This is nothing new to the NCAA or the Ducks, just to us. And it’s not simply an investigation into the UofO, it’s part of a wider investigation into recruiting services, “street agents,” 7-on-7 camps, etc. So far, UO hasn’t been notified that they are under NCAA investigation in their own right AFAIK. So what does this actually “mean?” So far not much. My guess is that there will be follow-on FOIA requests, and that we’ll once again get information that is new to us but quite stale to the NCAA.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly, it's all about context.
As Benz pointed out, if it was evenly spaced over the 4 years, that sounds like standard communication between a business and client. Even if there were only two spikes during a couple recruiting seasons it’s not much.
But by putting a flat number out there, it seems like a lot, to make it sound like they all went 3 days before signing day.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Context
The one piece that stands out to me, both in these text numbers, the documents, and the entire deal is the context of who is involved. Chip Kelly is, by all accounts, a smart guy, and more importantly he’s surrounded by a veteran staff who knows not only football but the world of college athletics and recruiting.
It seems very unlikely that Chip himself put together an amateur scheme to pay some guy for “old papers” when he’s really buying the rights to a high school running back. First, if it is some super shady deal, why do it through the office with tons of official records? Why the heck would you cut the guy a check with an Oregon watermark if it’s a secret deal to buy a player? Either the people involved don’t know how this stuff is done, or they’re incredibly stupid.
Even if you do have coaches trying to influence a player through a third party who’s being paid for it, why Lache Seastrunk? Oregon is in the middle of it’s best stretch of recruiting in history and the strongest point has been at the running back position. Not only that, but Chip seems very pleased with LMJ and Barner back there. This is not a team that just needs a quarterback to win it all, we’re talking about a position at which we are stacked already.
Lastly, these men know the stakes better than any of us do. They know what an NCAA compliance meeting feels like, they know the dozens of staff members and hundreds of students that would be effected by a major violation. Hell, they have million dollar jobs dependent on not getting caught doing something stupid. We saw just how far Jim Tressel was willing to go to keep violations from coming to light, because he knew his job and perhaps the entire program was on the line. Knowing all that, how can anyone think that Chip Kelly and crew really made a public, open, official payment to a known character in direct exchange for a player, especially one that they knew wouldn’t even see the field that year? Do people really think these guys are willing to put their entire career on the line to land a great backup?
The whole thing looks bad to the media and it seems shady, but I’m not so sure this deal is any more shady than any other college football recruiting agreement or deal with a mentor / agent.
"Seems shady"
Why? Who? What? NOTHING!!! The media want it to look bad. They are dying for anything to talk about right now. Journalists make a living sensationalizing information and sinking ships.
Do any of you actually know that Lyles is a bad dude? Anybody? No, the media have been successful in framing him as a bad dude.
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed - good thoughts JPDX
I know I sound like Pollyanna and there are people (at work in particular) that will relish rubbing my nose in it should I be wrong, but I don’t believe Chip Kelly would do anything either:
1. Incredibly stupid, because he’s incredibly smart
2. Against the rules as they are written, because he has integrity.
I still really really trust in CK.
Absurdity is my favorite.
All you have to ask people at work is this...
What has Oregon done wrong to this point that you can point to? They won’t have an answer. It will all be innsinuation off of no facts.
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That's right, daisy. So, why did he/they do it? Think about it......
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I don't dissagree on any points.
But my co-worker, who is a UGA grad brought up a point.
Basically he said, we all like to think that common sense would prevail and that the members of our Athletic Department from the coaches to the complaince office, to the AP clerk is smart enough not to do something clearly stupid in a public forum. But then there was Jim Harrick Jr. (UGA men’s basketball coach – to his father) who taught a “Coaching Principles” course with a final that included questions along the line of “How many points is a 3 point shot worth?” and “What shape is a basketball?”
I don’t think anyone would be that stupid, and I really hope that no one in the Oregon AD is. But until this all gets resolved, the speculation is out there that there was some less than ethical behaviour on the go.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
and what ...
was said less than ethical behaviour? In plain terms…
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
to this point it seems like whatever the accuser wants to believe.
Like I said, I agree with JonathanPDX that I think what they were doing was above board and within the scope of NCAA rules.
Those casting stones are saying, the program paid a large (relatively) sum of money to get a recruit. They’re not going to buy the. “They couldn’t possibly be that dumb” defense, because in NCAA history, there are examples where various people have actually been that dumb.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose the conclusion then is...
the accuser knows nothing. The accuser has no facts. There is not a smoking gun.
We did not pay money for a recruit up to this point. We paid 25k for a scouting service.
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you just summed up everything perfectly.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jun 21, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The last few weeks have been shaking my world.
I’ve agreed with Gorby (multiple times), BGWM, and now you.
This summer stuff must be getting to my head.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Sing it with me, Shu:
“Summer breeze, makes me feel fine, agreeing with ATQ-ers rocks my mi-i-ind.”
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I require a moderate amount of alcohol to sing Seals & Crofts.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Already drunk, eh?
Go ahead and jump right into the metal power ballads.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the sun is well past the yardarm.
As they say, “it’s always 5 o’clock somewhere.”
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Neeer-neer-neeer-nee-neeerr-neer-ner!
by DuckUntilDeath on Jun 22, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
UHHH thanks...
I love back handed agreement…
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
Part one: The NCAA’s sudden decision to A) declare recruiting services including sites such as Rivals verboten and B) report themselves for secondary violations speaks eloquently to your first point.
Part two: Remember when we were going to go down for LMJ driving a Land Rover that wasn’t his? People want the worst for their opponents, and those without a horse in the race pile on because…hell, because we live in an incredibly cynical world. People love the plucky underdog until the underdog wins, at which point they will stop at nothing to tear him down (regain their lost innocence?).
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Though I will remain consistent...
and not judge Mack Brown, high school coaches, etcetera. before anything is revealed… I will ask a question. Who loses when the status quo is changed? Listening to these agents talk they make valid points about representing these kids and giving them added insight and perspective. Rather than going to UT breeding ground football high school x, y, z coach… you go to scouting services because you feel like the high school coach has an agenda… what if you feel that way as a kid or parent as a kid? “you need to go to UT son…” “I don’t know coach Kelly son…”
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Key words: "Agents." "Represented."
Catch my drift?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If a kid wanted to...
He could pay for somebody to represent his recruitment, correct?
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Nerp.
Hire an agent and your eligibility is gone.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't realize that...
So a family can’t pay a guy to help them find a school?
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
NO!
Verboten. That’s why HS coaches tend to take the lead much of the time.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Duplicity, they name is "NCAA."
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Err.."thy."
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
MY EFFING WORD PEOPLE CHILL THE BLEEP OUT!!!
I can’t take it anymore. I’m joining the fight. I’ve decided that the offseason causes even the best of fans to be irrational in lieu of having to face the sports hiatus and the anticipation of a new football season.
However, in your case (all the people hyperventilating on this board) I’m particuarly disappointed. How could people who declare themselves disciples of Chip forget some of his fundamental tenants. For Example: 1. don’t guide yourself by people’s outside expectations and opinions (especially relevant for all those people worried about their status as fans of the program in lieu of nothing yet being revealed) 2. Allow all the facts to settle and then make a decision.
Let’s dwell on two for a second. What do we know about this whole situation? That Oregon paid 25k to Will Lyles for recruiting services. That is it. You don’t know that Oregon got ripped off (no no you don’t) you don’t know that was shady in the least (no no you don’t) and you especially don’t know if the 25k payment to Lyles AT ALL worked its way into the decision LACHE MADE HIMSELF. Conversely, you don’t know the opposite either.
So why the paranoia? Because your bored, your insecure, and you have a defeatist attitude. Know that while all of you are living in fear Chip is thriving on competition. Who wants to bet that Chip is game planning right now?
One important point… I’m a consultant. So I view this whole situation in uniquely. I can’t tell you how much work I do for free. I do it to build relationships with the anticipation of a huge contract (read pay day). So when I see that Lyles has a relationship with Oregon for four years and then one day Oregon floats him 25k for a perhaps questionable product (again you don’t know that), I think, Oregon was managing the relationship. There is nothing wrong with that. IT happens ALL THE TIME IN BUSINESS!
Its much more fun if we panic
Or something.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
My new pair of Brooks running shoes...
That I will be taking for a long run in the beautiful weather outside my window.
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Excellent diversionary topic
I went for 4.2 on the trails at lunch and it was heaven.
Absurdity is my favorite.
I'm an out of shape schlub
but I did two miles on the treadmill today!
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
That's my philosophy at this point
pushing 40 and half my friends are training for marathons. Time to get off my ass.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
I did 40 with my car.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I did at least 10 laps to the kitchen from my office today.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 21, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s just plain reckless
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jun 21, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see your 4.2 and...
up you 1.8! At least that is the plan at the moment. It is a bit muggy but it will definitely be heaven as well.
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure
I do 5 and 10ks around town. Did the Helvetia Half about a week and a half ago, but 10k is probably my fave distance.
Absurdity is my favorite.
Haha... I was in the Helvetia...
No no I was not the creepy guy running behind you the whole time….
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
If it had been you, I wouldn't say you are creepy
just really really slow…that’s how slow I am at the half marathon distance!
Great run, hate the big hill.
I’m only a medium fan of the half marathon. I probably only do two a year, three if I’m feeling spunky.
Absurdity is my favorite.
can't resist... trying to resist urge for... silly male comments....
ahhh success
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Good god
You would be the only one to resist. Didn’t you see that Matt Daddy just called me a Ho??
Absurdity is my favorite.
But...in a GOOD way.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well.
If I WAS going to be a ho, you know I’d be the BEST FUCKING HO ON MLK BLVD!!!
Wait, what??
Absurdity is my favorite.
WIN THE DAY
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn't mean it, he knows so.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Why stop the sweet talk?
I thought hos and non-hos alike LOVED the sweet talk? Though I’m going to guess hos and non- hos vary on what constitutes as sweet…
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
But Daisy, we love hos!
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Oh no
It’s Bros before Hos! hahahahaaaa
I couldn’t even type that without laughing.
Absurdity is my favorite.
The only guys that say think that are those that just broke up with their woman and those that are completely unable to find a woman.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Amen to that.
“I am very, VERY lonely.”
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
... Is this like something...
guys actually believe? Straight guys that is?
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Consulting the man-ual, it appears it is actually:
1. OOOOOOOOOOOOO’s
2. Dough
3. Strohs
4. Bro’s
5. Ho’s
6. Prose
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This meme blows?
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This meme isn’t a punk. It’s a good kid. But it was at this party…
by JonathanPDX on Jun 21, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Until this meme I thought it was impossible for something to simultaneously suck and blow.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
1. Boats
2. Ho’s
3. Profit
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jun 21, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I resist... because I know better...
Years of training has taught me I’m not getting anywhere acting prepubescent.
hehe I just said “pube”
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
So that's....you're a quarter fan of the full marathon?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Great points. However,
I can’t tell you how much work I do for free.
Are you sure you’re a consultant?
Because your bored, your insecure,
So I view this whole situation in uniquely.
OK, you’re probably a consultant :)
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jun 21, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha... are you making fun of my typo...
I cringed when I read it.
Yes, unlike attorneys we don’t work off of retainers but it is paramount that you retain client books. So, if special client x, y, z calls and asks you for something relatively simple you do it without writing a scope. Also, from a business development standpoint, you stand no chance if you cold call and say you need me… but if you call them after doing weeks worth of free research and present them with something that will give them value you are golden…
All of that with the understanding that someday it will pay off with a lucrative contract for a scope of work with plenty of padding and margin. That’s how I see the Lyles situation. He probably constantly communicated with the school, went to camps, gave them names, was a point of contact, etcetera. Then Oregon was generous for a package… big deal..
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Was just yanking your chain.
I’ve been a consultant, and hired more than a few. I don’t hire them for their grammatical integrity; in most cases, this is a good thing for them.
And most consultants I’ve worked with aren’t at all afraid of letting a potential client know how many unbilled extra hours they’ve worked for other clients. Strangely, they always seem to find a way to bill out every last hour when I’m signing their checks.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
Then you are too easy...
Well… I also was an english minor… so your and you’re is pretty inexcusable.
But in fairness… I’m typing on my laptop laying down on my bed with Tron on in the background… I will NOT be held accountable at the moment :)
Word of advice, you’re too easy… squeaky client gets the oil plain and simple. The gig is competitive and all you have to do is flash some materials from another firm, strategically leave the material on your desk or whatever when you are in a meeting with them. Also, ALWAYS do lump sum. Don’t let them bill you for time and materials.
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup. I didn’t just fall off the turnip truck. Just finished a back-and-forth on a contract that now bears little resemblance to the boilerplate the firm sent us initially. Sure, we’ll let you bring in your own subcontractors without notifying us and bill us for their T&M. Riiight.
Much easier to get favorable terms across the board in this economy. Sad, but good for my business.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
Nice work...
It is not sad. Now’s the time to invest and thrive.
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Heehee.
Not to pile on, but “inexcusable” followed by an excuse?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
It was an explanation.
He didn’t say it was unexplainable.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
I am extremely disappointed in you, DD.
You have forgotten Article One of ATQ, which states: “All subjects are to be discussed and debated ad nauseum and well beyond the threshold of reason.”
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Too many double Ds here.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Total Recall
was apparently lost on you…. It was supposed to break you out of the only two per… mold…
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I just did some research with google safe search on SUPER-ULTRA-HIGH-SAFE-MODE-MY-GOD-HOW-DID-YOU-EVEN-GET-A-RESULT-ON-THE-INTERNET.
I’m just going to go out on a limb and say they were fake boobs.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
How dare you...
The eight year old’s (Yes I was probably eight) world was just shattered.
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of double D's
where’d Daisy go?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jun 21, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Corner of 82nd and Sandy?
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Shriner's Hospital?
Think of the the sick children.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Oh dear, I can't help but notice that you must not have gotten my memo.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A THING.
Absurdity is my favorite.
That is heresy of the highest order.
Although I prefer less jiggle myself.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember good times, STATEMENT STATEMENT STATEMENT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxCXNxYtQLo&feature=related
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Don't you mean CEL-A-BRATE GOOD TIMES, COME ON!!!?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I will not be supporting that POS song
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
But you must.
Resistance if futile.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
And here we go:
@GeorgeSchroeder "Oregon’ s office of public records set to release more documents related to “2011 National Package” provided by Will Lyles for $25K."
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
And here we go:
@GeorgeSchroeder "Oregon’ s office of public records set to release more documents related to “2011 National Package” provided by Will Lyles for $25K".
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
More
Emails part of “2011 National Package.” Delivered after signing day, but sophomores. 1 email sent hours before news story broke 3/3/11.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Part of me really hopes Kelly
is just effing with the media here….
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
Tradition says you release all the documents at once
Tradition doesn’t change, champions do.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
More
Oregon public records officer said the 2 emails/attached spreadsheets are all the documents the school has from Lyles for $25,000 payment.
The Oregon AD just released a statement saying that they are working with the NCAA and will have no further comment until this is resolved. Standard stuff.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Key word: Documents
access to video and, I suppose, Lyles himself (and his opinions) not included.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
kind of what I’ve been trying to say … we live in a day and age where “documents” are unnecessary and only used by Joe Paterno
And by "documents", I think you meant "Depends"
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It gets worse!
The University of Oregon is currently under investigation for payments made to a man sources identify as Charles “Chip” Kelly. Sources say the Ducks have paid as much as 2.4 million dollars annually despite Kelly providing only a single book containing what insiders describe as “football plays” and a three-word slogan. Local columnist John Canzano alleges that the paper-to-dollar ratio is clearly in violation of NCAA bylaws and has challenged Oregon to disband it’s athletics department by the first of July.
The story comes on the heels of another investigation that a man identified as Lane Kiffin is accused of committing massive fraud across both the NFL and as many as two FBS level college football programs. Sources say Kiffin defrauded these institutions for millions in ‘coaching fees’ while providing no actual service.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 21, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
In ducks basketball
Should this be OT? I seen nared on campus today and he looks like he has put on some weight a good chunk of that muscle. Anyone know what basketball players are here for the summer? Hopefully sim can get sanipac to help him with his garbage.
#88
by pipgras on Jun 21, 2011 6:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
You "seen" Nared on campus?
C’mon, Pip.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, i seen nared
When i get paid to write (never) I will start to care about using proper english. Until then, I will attempt to write clear enough to for people to understand me. Unless ofcourse you want to hire me an editor
#88
by pipgras on Jun 22, 2011 12:27 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Interview with Will Lyles
Listening to it now, so I have no comment on its content.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
So far he seems... credible, reasonable, and...
he’s making the pitch that all consultants do. I have experience, provide value, I have resources you could use more efficiently, and by the way… high school coahces are not on the up and up all the time…
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
True. Still, if he’s going to toss out a statement like “HS coaches are on the take”, if he doesn’t name names it sounds like he’s just pulling it out of his ass.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
What I key in on...
is the antagonism between the coaches in this system and the agents… Why? Why does Texas care about little Will Lyles?
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
By fans, you mean 'donors,' right, good ole boys, honest sumbitches?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Darron Thomas. Josh Huff. LaMichael James. Lacke Seatrunk. Tra Carson.
Etc. That’s what Texas has against people like Lyles, right or wrong.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: Madison Bumgarner's Day
Single
Double
Single
Double
Single
Double
So far. I detect a trend.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
Double.
This is hysterical.
Pavano’s up. GIVE US A SINGLE.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
And after the obligatory pitcher strikeout..
Double.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
The funniest part of this
Is ESPN just published an Insider article talking up MadBum (that’s his nickname) as a “hidden fantasy gem”. Oops.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Jayson Stark tweet
Bumgarner gives up 9th hit & exits. First pitcher in live-ball era to give up 9 hits in a game without getting at least 2 outs. #hardtodo
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
That’s talent.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I probably couldn’t. My throw wouldn’t even make it to the plate.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Pretty sure I could lob a hardball 60'6"
OK maybe nowhere near the plate. At my age and all.
/old
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
Had a great ratio though. 25 pitches, 22 strikes.
I love baseball. Enough stats to make anyone look good no matter what.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
OT but sage words of advice from Dr. Cam Colvin
Men who help with housework also tend to have more sex
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I'm going to use stats class to note that it's also true that
Men who have more sex also tend to help with housework.
Fan of the cheese on the nachos, the Oreo of Explosion, Cool Brees, CP3, the J-Hey Kid, Pizza, and the real Matty Ice.
"ESPN - the worldwide leader in kissing Phillie ass" ~ kimrob1
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 22, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
There is way too many comments to go through for today,
but this is my post on Facebook for Clownazo: You are an idiot! You don’t even know what you are talking about. I hate that I have to like you to give you crap. You spout your opinion that isn’t even factual. All you care about is hits on your website. I am cancelling my subscription to the Oregonian because of you. Are you a reporter or do you work for the National Enquirer because you don’t check into the facts, CLOWNZANO!!!
Whoa, whoa. What? You had a subscription to the Oregonian?
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
LOOK AT WHAT IT HAS COME TO! MCD’S MOM CAN’T EVEN READ THE LIVING SECTION ANYMORE!
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
That's it, heads are gonna roll.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
What does it say about me...
that I’m actually disturbed by this?
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It says that you enjoy pizza.
I’m pretty sure that’s it. You like pizza.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I was looking for something like...
it means you have a deep attachment to your mother and want to see her eternally happy.
but pizza… I can accept that
by Duckity_Duck on Jun 21, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
WE MUST DEMAND SOME ANSWERS
WHY CAN’T MCD’S MOM GET THE LIVING SECTION WITHOUT SUPPORTING CANZANO!!! WE MUST MAKE OURSELVES HEARD!!!
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanx for the supporter.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Who?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh hai. Can somebody call FEMA for me? There are trees down over pretty much every road in town and 60% of the city is without power. Also, someone’s alarm system is going off on my street and I can’t charge my phone.
How did people live before power? Serious question.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 21, 2011 8:59 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
That was my answer!
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
by JShufelt on Jun 21, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rubbing your stick?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Sunup = workin' and sundown = sexin'.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m done with work. So…
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 21, 2011 9:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Or in Daisy's case
Sunup = not workin’ and sundown = workin’
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
This is cracking me up, but someone is going to lose an eyeball or limb somewhere along the way.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahahaha.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 21, 2011 9:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Someone needs to go camping every once in a while.
I think Musgrave might be interested.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I go camping all the time. I’m just kidding.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 21, 2011 9:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Musgrave likes camping with people that have experience.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Someone like Double D, perhaps?
Ehem.
PILING ONNNNN!!!!
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with piling on Double D's
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Off Season Innuendo Challenge Nominee
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 21, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I once read a book when I was a kid. Pretty boring, huh?
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
It’s kinda dark.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 21, 2011 9:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, dear. (wipes tears of laughter from eyes)
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope Daisy isn't too mad after she reads this thread... so I wrote her a song
boats n’ daisys, boats n’ daisys, i gotta have me more boats and daisys!
boats n’ daisys, boats n’ daisys, i gotta have me more boats and daisys!
The Nina, the Pinta, the Santa Maria…
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
The backstory on Daisy?
I heard this from a reliable source in da hood.
Daisy isn’t actually a punk. She’s a good ho. What happened is, she was at this party and this pimp shot a ho. She did the right thing and took over her corner (82nd and Flavel). As a result, Matt Daddy was all like ‘Daymn, that’s MY walk’ and put out a hit on Daisy and her pimp. The threat is as credible as anything on Twitter and she truly fears the banhammer. That’s why she was crying when she posted earlier. She was the ho on the block actively bringing other girls out to work. She did us all a tremendous favor by strutin’ her stuff on here before going out to work tonight.
The ho would be heartbroken if she had one.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 21, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I will cry tears of pain when there isn't one of these at some point in my daily quack fix.
what is that today, three? four?
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
How will you know?
Lache is putting up 200 yards on 7 carries and you’ll be packing up your shit and moving over to Cal Golden Blogs by September 8th.
by JonathanPDX on Jun 21, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Twist will eat me alive
at least send me to Desert Swarm so I can live out my time in peace and quiet.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
One doesn't chose one's own hell.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard out here for a Daisy.
With Fuskie pimps all about.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You made me into the zombie meme.
And in it, I’m a ho.
Matt Daddy wrote me a song where my name is a synonym for ho.
After the internet friendship I’ve offered you all, this is how I am treated.
I have just one thing to say to you people.
THIS WAS THE BEST DAY ON ATQ EVER!!! YOU WROTE ME A SONG AND MADE ME A ZOMBIE MEME!! YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!!!
Absurdity is my favorite.
by daisyduck on Jun 22, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Phew, she's still easy fellas.
For a second there I thought things were headed the other way.
Everybody was kung foo fighting, now it's all ho hum.
by Bill Musgrave on Jun 22, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
So, what will the title of the front-page article of the O's sport section be?
A) University of Oregon continues to yank country’s chain.
B) What 25,000 down the drain would mean to an average family
C) Chip Kelly’s raunchy sext-fest with Lyles and the hush money to keep quiet
D) Fuck it, let’s go back to making fun of Paul Allen.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
D) I AM SO AFIRE WITH INDIGNATION OVER THIS UNPROVEN EVENT I CAN HARDLY WRITE!
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jun 21, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
So is Oregon deliberately fucking with the media?
I can’t be the only one who’s had that thought cross my mind
I think it's just par for the course for how they've handled the media under CK.
I mean, this is on a grander scale than a tuesday practice presser, but still the same mantra.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
I've never heard of a school get NCAA sanctions
for NOT cooperating with the media.
However, the media has caused a lot of trouble for many schools. Oregon gains nothing bending over for the media. Nothing.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Considering the previous factions and cleavages between the two
I wouldn’t expect Oregon to give the media jackshit.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Bend over? Cleavages?
What’s Daisy have to do with the NCAA?
by JonathanPDX on Jun 21, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Haven't you seen South Park's "Crack Baby Athletic Association" spoof on the NCAA?
I’m pretty sure crack and street corner pimping go hand-in-hand.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Also its really wise not to talk to the media too much
Because you don’t want to say something publicly you might regret. Once its out there, its out there. Better to say nothing and let the NCAA do their work.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Btw, poor Mariners
They blew a 5 run late with 1 out left in the game tonight. Their win expectancy chart:
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Shit happens................
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
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