Weekend Quack Fix: Letter of the Law and Intentions; Lyles Links
I'm going to start out with a little bit of a rant, the links will be after the jump, I promise.
I know the NCAA isn't a judicial branch. I understand they don't need to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt (hell, sometimes they don't even need reason). But most of the time they're logical. They set out the rules that all institutions that willingly want to join must abide by. Now those rules, just like any set of bylaws are going to have areas that are left for interpretation. At the end of the day, you have to justify why you took a course of action, how you felt you applied the rules, both by the letter and the spirit of the law, and if you need to take corrective action in the future, how you're going to follow through.
Ask any accountant that's dealt with the IRS. Talk to a financial advisor who deals with FINRA or the SEC. Talk to an insurance agent or real estate agent. Ask OSHA compliance officers, or anyone that deals with audits and a regulatory body. What is important is going to always come down to two things: 1) what is the written rule you were to abide by, and 2) what was your intention in your actions?
Here are the rules that are important regarding Will Lyles:
Interpretation of NCAA Bylaws 11.3.2.5, 13.7.7.20, 13.12.2.3.1, 13.14.3 on whether Will Lyles qualifies as a Recruiting Service:
"The academic and membership affairs staff confirmed that a recruiting or scouting service includes any individual, organization, entity or segment of an entity that is primarily involved in providing information about prospective student-athletes. This definition includes, but is not limited to any service that provides information only to paid subscribers, any service that is only available to a select group of individuals (e.g., coaches), regardless of whether there is a charge associated with the service, and any service that provides information to the public free of charge; however, this definition does not include any individual, organization or entity or segment of an entity that provides information about prospective student-athletes incidental to its primary purpose and is generally available to the public (e.g. news media)."
Further clarification on bylaw 13.14.3 on what a recruiting service must provide:
An institution may subscribe to a recruiting or scouting service involving prospective studentathletes, provided the institution does not purchase more than one annual subscription to a
particular service and the service:
(a) Is made available to all institutions desiring to subscribe and at the same fee rate for all
subscribers;
(b) Publicly identifies all applicable rates;
(c) Disseminates information (e.g., reports, profiles) about prospective student-athletes at least
four times per calendar year;
(d) Publicly identifies the geographical scope of the service (e.g., local, regional, national) and
reflects broad-based coverage of the geographical area in the information it disseminates;
(e) Provides analysis in the information it disseminates beyond demographic information or
rankings of prospective student-athletes;
(f) Provides access to samples or previews of the information it disseminates prior to purchase
of a subscription; and
(g) Provides video that is restricted to regularly scheduled (regular season) high school,
preparatory school or two-year college contests and for which the institution made no prior
arrangements for recording
Finally on whether Will Lyles qualifies as a "booster" (or Representative of Athletics Interest) under bylaw 13.02.13
A "representative of the institution’s athletics interests" is an individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution’s executive or athletics
administration to: (Revised: 2/16/00)
(a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution’s intercollegiate athletics program;
(b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;
(c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families; or
(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution’s athletics program.
Now I point this out only because you're going to hear and read a lot of misinformed opinions. You'll read about Kelly lying to the NCAA (when in actuality no one knows what Kelly or Oregon has said to the NCAA). You'll hear about how Lyles was steering players to Oregon, even though he said himself (now after being jilted by the school) that he insists Oregon did not make a direct request or payment to steer recruits. You'll hear about how a recruiting service is required to provide written documentation on prospective student-athletes or that Lyles isn't considered a recruiting service by the NCAA. And so on and so forth.
These things just aren't true.
What is important is did Oregon abide by the letter of the law and what was their intention in their dealing with Lyles? These are the things that Oregon will be judged on by the NCAA. You can decide by reading the rules whether you think Oregon followed the bylaws. Intention is going to be more difficult to determine as bias from fear or greed will cloud that judgment, but do not mistake the two. Letter of the law and intention are two separate variables. One is not more important than the other, but they both deal with how the NCAA will review this investigation. Even if Oregon followed every rule but their intentions were wrong, they may still face punishment. Just like if they had the right intentions but didn't follow the rules, the NCAA will still hand down penalties, and rightfully so.
Well, onto the Lyles Link
- Here is the Yahoo report detailing Lyles' side of the story. I find it hard for me not to believe him. I know he's now got a bone to pick considering he didn't get his contract renewed, but if he really wanted to throw Oregon under the bus (by the way, that is now the most overused saying in sports media and has overtaken "eye-test" and "football/basketball IQ") he could have easily made some very serious accusations about payments, conversations, or intentions and he didn't.
- SportsbyTMZ actually has a decent take on why Lyles decided to talk now. Even though he follows it up with an absolutely absurd tweet later. Congrats Brooks, you just won yourself a part in my next play.
- Oregon released a statement. Blah blah blah, stop calling us.
- SI and Stewart Mandel question if Oregon should consider still saying that Kelly is "doing things the right way." It's an interesting question regarding Kelly's reputation. I'm not one to care too much about reputations considering Pete Carroll talked about glowingly by USC fans, Bama thinks the sun shines out of Midget Saban's back side and the Stoops brothers still have jobs to this day, but I think some fans do care.
- The SportsBrewery has an either you're with us or against us post. For better or worst, I'm with Oregon. No one coach, player or sanction is going to take away my love of the Ducks. Once you've lived in poverty, you're not afraid of losing everything.
- Lyles, Lyles, and more Lyles
- Lastly, a great interview with Charles Robinson, the author of the Yahoo article, by 1080 the Fan in Portland. Pay attention to when he talks about the nebulous proving of influence and payments and which side feels they got cheated in this situation. While I think Issac and Suke are trying to bait him into saying something he doesn't think, he's pretty clear that this was a rather gray area that Oregon stepped into and could land them in trouble, but not anytime in the near future. So for those that think that Kelly is done at Oregon, or that this is spelling the impending doom for Oregon, go ahead and start holding your breath.
P.S. Welcome to the new Pac 12 Website.
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Nice work Pac-12, you broke all the Pac-10.org links!
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Is there anyway to sign a petition that college offseasons don’t happen? I would like to play a bowl game, skip to spring practice then it be daily doubles in august.
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by NEP on Jul 2, 2011 7:34 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
So I completely missed that somebody posted a fanpost about the article.
Then I read the posts and realized I didn’t miss anything at all.
Nice article...
…obviousy, I believe your optimism is misguided, but admirable. I appreciate you digging up the facts.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Bottom line is that this is not a cut & dry situation despite the media portraying it as such.
In the process of reviewing the Oregon case the NCAA will provide more concrete definitions for the terms Matt Daddy brought up above. I still think the worst case scenario is probation.
I still think the worst case scenario is probation.
I think it’s the most likely result, but not the worst case by any means.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
SMU paid players
Then continued to pay them even after they were caught.
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by daedalus17 on Jul 4, 2011 11:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m still confused on why his relationship with LMJ is relevant to the current situation at all.
Btw, my goal playing the demo of NCAA 2012 is to make Mack Brown cry.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 2, 2011 8:42 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Great Link!
Thanks so much for the Pac 12 link, I can’t wait for the season to start as things are so damn dead boring around here.
I’m sorry did I miss something?
Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
Oh I almost forgot! I found this outside the Cas.
I think it helps explain a few things.
From Jul 2, 2011
Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
by DamienS on Jul 2, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I know this is phony becus Chip doesn't accept scrambled.....his huevos are grande and hard boiled.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Hard boiled huevos… not that great for the sperm count, but an absolute necessity when it’s fourth down!
Sperm count? That's a recruiting violation!!!!
And don’t forget the GRRRRANDE part. It’s established.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Did anybody see the tweet by Wilner(I think) that said with all this stuff coming out the rise of Oregon is the biggest fraud in the country
Considering Wilner has never liked Oregon for some reason that doesn't surprise me
Tony DiFrancisco was calling him out on it on twitter
If we paid $25k for that garbage, I’d love to see the quality that LSU and Cal got for $6k.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 2, 2011 10:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Lyles said Cal requested nothing specific, so he sent the same spreadsheet databases to the Bears that he eventually provided to the Ducks.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Theoretically, $6k is just the same as $25k then.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 2, 2011 10:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is what you are missing
There is nothing in any of those bylaws that says the services must be in writing. That’s the gray area. Oregon is going to defend that what they received is worth 25k and the NCAA is going to determine if what they received (e.g. video, phone calls, text message, updates on players, information) constitutes fulfillment of what a recruiting service must provide… by the letter of the law.
Intentions are a totally different animal.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I'm still waiting for those videos that Oregon said were hard to find in their databases...
…. oh, wait, there are no videos. Someone didn’t get the memo on that one.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
as long as you give us a fair shot over at dawgpound. joking is ok. i’m a gilbert gottfried fan. there’s no such thing as too soon.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I've always welcomed you guys at Dawgpound...
… I really do appreciate the people on this blog. It is a great forum.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
not to change the subject but did i really see that you guys think you’re going into Lincoln and beating Nebraska next year?? man i cant wait till September already…on saturdays i get this garbage instead of laughing at the Big 10 all morning.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
well, some of my more confident colleagues were saying as much ...
…. I’m bullish on the Dawgs, but not quite that bullish.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
i hope you do. i root for the Pac in all non-conference games. even UW. now i’ll probably get burned like a witch.
to clarify – i hope you win all your non-conference games and lose all the rest.
okay…i feel better.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I actually like Dawgpund....it's the only place left to legitimately talk husky football for opposing fans
Dawgman pretty much slid into an abyss.
Then tell your friends that we're not ignoring the isssues over here
cause they seem to think otherwise.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Haha. Well, there is a subset of your brethren that are in the first stage of denial...
… No doubt, some are feeling a sense of scadenfreude. There is a larger group of us who are wondering why not attack the issue head on, sacrifice whomever you must and try to turn the page while you still have the talent that you have.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jul 2, 2011 11:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Who's to say they haven't?
Oregon hasn’t talked to the Media, but have said all along that they are fully cooperating with the NCAA, and believe they have done nothing wrong. Most fans on this site have think this is the best way to play this. The media demands an explanation, but this doesn’t mean they are entitled to one.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
The issue with that is that the UO is persistently claiming innocence in regards to NCAA bylaws in this matter. You and nearly everyone at dawgpound (And really, 99% of cfb blogs) assume Oregon DID do something wrong.
The whole “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire” is just another way of saying guilty until proven innocent.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I didn’t assume Oregon was guilty of anything when this story first broke, I mean it looked bad, but there could have been a good explanation. But now at least some of the facts are out, and if what Lyles has said is true (he does have some proof for some of it, other parts not so much) than it’s unquestionable that NCAA violation(s) occurred.
The thing I notice is that those of you in denial (not all of you guys) keep clinging to Lyles’ statement that he didn’t steer anyone to Oregon as somehow letting you of the hook. It doesn’t, he acted in a way as a recruiter for Oregon, helping Oregon recruits get to Oregon. It’s irrelevant that he didn’t take a bribe to convince the recruits he knew to go to Oregon (it would make for juicier, sexier scandal) he did things scouts are not suppose to do, and he was paid for it.
Also, think about this, if Lyles really wanted to hurt Oregon, he could have just said the worst thing; that the money was a bonus for getting Seastrunk to sign the NOI. He didn’t, to me that makes his story a lot more credible.
I’m not wishing ill will toward you guys, I have no idea what the NCAA will do, but I can guarantee some form of sanctions are coming – I’d say your best case scenario is probation alone. It helps that Oregon doesn’t have a track record of NCAA violations. Also, the SC fans who complain about how hard they were hit conveniently always forget that the reason they were hammered is they were ALREADY on probation when the Bush stuff happened.
My thoughts anyway I turned on ESPN to watch sports and they Bowling on so I watched some of NGC game. I still rooted for the Ducks in that game.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
From my perspetive
He helped the kids he was mentoring: Lamichael James and Lache Seastrunk. He helped them to overcome the obstacles in their way.
Did that ultimately benefit Oregon because that’s where they chose to go? Sure. But both these guys wanted to be at Oregon and he helped them to get what they wanted. I think he was acting on their behalf.
Don’t forget: Seastrunk was a USC commit until Carrol left and LMJ wanted to go to TCU, but they kept calling him by the wrong name during his official visit. Oregon was second choice for both of them.
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Well I agree Lyles isn’t some sort of monster, and probably really helped those kids, and maybe he had their best interests at heart.
Will make zero difference to the NCAA, however. In the end, his actions helped Oregon land two prized recruits, and he was paid. And there is no way for Oregon to prove a negative, i.e. that he was only paid for scouting services and nothing else.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Did that ultimately benefit Oregon because that’s where they chose to go? Sure. But both these guys wanted to be at Oregon and he helped them to get what they wanted. I think he was acting on their behalf.
Sure, and that’s what a parent would do. A parent of a recruit isn’t an Oregon booster when they send their kid to a camp in Eugene, or help their kid pass NCAA Clearinghouse or what-have-you. But if there’s a violation in here, it’s in the fact that Lyles had that parental role in Seastrunk’s life, and Oregon created a booster-like relationship with Lyles to gain access to him.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
If there is a violation its because
Lyles was acting in two distinct roles mentor and scout that ultimately clashed and created an inherent conflict of interest.
I would disagree that Oregon created a relationship with Lyles to gain access to Seastrunk. Oregon already had a relationship with Lyles long before Seastrunk was a recruit.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
I could clarify
by saying that pushed that relationship from scout to booster to gain that access.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
Personally,
I think he can be called a booster, because he did clearly assist in the recruiting of a PSA. I don’t think his reasons for doing so were nefarious: I think he genuinely wanted to help him go where he wanted to go.
To say that Oregon “pushed” him to increase his role with Seastrunk is wrong. He was pretty clearly involved in Seastrunk’s life prior to Oregon (when he was a USC commit).
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Then why pay him $25,000
in exchange for nothing of value?
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
That $25k got Oregon access to Texas
A place they were pretty much locked out of until recently. Not sure how much of it coincides with Lyles but I imagine he had a significant impact
25k
Is for information regarding Texas recruits….not specifically Seastrunk.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
yes, Shufelt - all true. But how long are you willing to hold on to the hope of innocence?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I’m not holding on to any hope.
I’m unable to do any research outside of what is provided to me and I am unable to properly and fairly construct a hypothesis. I draw no conclusion.
If the NCAA finds Oregon has violated something, I trust they’ll hand out a fair punishment. Until then, I don’t care to meddle with the hypothetical or with make assumptions to fit any conclusion I may desire. That’s something I can’t say for 90% of the people speaking about this issue.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
by JShufelt on Jul 2, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
JShufelt doesn't deal in hypotheticals!
/chipkelly’d
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by flyduckfly on Jul 2, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're making a fundamental mistake:
You’re assuming you know all the information involved. You don’t. Scoreboard, baby.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 2, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
also true - but everytime new information involved comes out, it turns out bad for UO...
… are you betting that this trend will reverse itself?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
also true – but everytime new information involved comes out, itturnsit spins out bad for UO…
Fixed it for ya.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
This new revelation doesn't change the circumstances much.
Remember when I posted on Dawgpound a couple weeks ago saying that Oregon bought access to Texas? This article pretty much proved that..
exactly
I’m not sure this article said anything we didn’t already know
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
You seem to think things will get worse and worse until the world explodes and the city of Eugene is completly off the map
Or was that your plan all along?
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Eugene is on the map?
Lies.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 2, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
GG was interviewed a few months back on Lamont and Tennelli in the Morning
He wasn’t allowed to say much (due to contract dispute litigation). The best part of the interview was when someone asked how he “felt about being fired for making an inappropriate joke?” He replied, “when did I ever make an appropriate joke?”
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 2, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
If I make a highlight tape from NCAA college football 2010, would those count?
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 2, 2011 11:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Lyles has said he sent 50 videos.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 2, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
But if Cal got
the same thimg for $6k then a rule was broken.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Don't know.
I said “if”. It would make scrambling to get additional literature after the fact look like a desperate attempt to differentiate. “If” any of that happened.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Well Cal didn’t get LaMicheal or Seastrunk so they definitely didn’t get the same package.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
by Cugel on Jul 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Like his Canzanbro
He’s definitely got teenage hysterics down pat.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 2, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Clownzano
His name is Clownzano.
Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog.
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog
"If you don't tell him what he wants to hear, he's going to find you out. And when he does, they're going to tear your head off and throw your BODY OUT OF AN AIRLOCK!" - Number Six, "Bastille Day"
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 2, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t wait till he refuses to rank us at all next year.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 2, 2011 10:07 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes
Dave (@atqdave) and myself (SEsportsdesk) have been bitch-fighting him about that for a full 24 hours now
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Typical Wilner.
His thought process on any major incident, as best I can tell
a) Wilner learns of incident
“Whoa! Big Lyles article! Time to get some attention.”
b) Wilner formulates extreme responses:
“What’s the most extreme position I can take? It would either be ‘Oregon is a total fraud’ or ‘Oregon did nothing wrong and should be praised for ignoring the NCAA and their innovative recruiting methods.’”
c) Wilner chooses between reponses based on likelihood of getting noticed.
“Everybody’s bashing the NCAA, I’d get much more attention from angry Oregon fans if I called their university a fraud!”
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
Yeah he does a really good job on the business side of the Pac-12 but on everything else he is pretty shitty
On the contrary, he’s entirely successful. How many Oregon fans have read his take and responded in some fashion?
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
I never go to his site after last years shenanigans....most people just harassed him on twiiter
Which thankfully does nothing to help his bottom line
RG Interview w/ Lyles a bit more informative
I like the part about how Lyle’s wasn’t happy that UO made public the crap he sent them. What did he think they were going to do.
Obviously, he’s pissed he’s not getting paid for this year and is looking more like he simply has an ax to grind now.
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Under FOIA, the University of Oregon had no choice
Public University = everything is out there.
Unversity of Oregon, Class of 2006. Currently spreading the Duck love in Ann Arbor, MI.
Well, they could have slow-walked the request,
waited for the media to sue, then answered the request by claiming the information fell under exemptions and given nothing, then litigated that for a while.
In the end they would still have to give it, but there were ways to slow it down, potentially for years. And since a lawsuit would have been necessary there’s a big financial commitment.
Can you imagine the howls of righteous indignation from Clowny and the rest?
The mind boggles. Yesterday Clowny joined the ridiculous chorus of those characterizing the lawful response by the Ducks as “throwing Lyles under the bus.” But if they hadn’t complied? The above.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 2, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
THEY'RE OUT THERE, AND THEY'RE LOVIN' EVERY MINUTE OF IT!
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 2, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
/fkaggedforpostingalinkthatdoesn'topeninanewwindowSRYSLY?
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 2, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
That's just bizzarre
now isn’t it?
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
I'm not after you specifically
It unmarks all the new comments. Then I have to figure out what’s new and what isn’t.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 2, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
right-click "open in new window"
or just hit back and the new comments will still be there.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
often when you hit "back" you go back in time before the comments that appeared there while you were in the thread.
But I always right click—→open in new tab for this reason. I’ve been burned too many times.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Here is where I think Oregon gets hit hard by the NCAA
""NCAA bylaw 13.02.14 defines a representative of athletic interests as someone ‘who is known [or who should have been known] by a member of the institution’s executive or athletics administration to be assisting or to have been requested [by the athletics department staff] to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.’"
Sending those emails to Lyles about getting his grandma to sign the LOI shows that Oregon was CLEARLY expecting him “to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes”. Why else would he be a party to such an email? Even if you want to say it’s because he’s a “friend” or “father figure” to Lache, the $25K is damning since you can’t pay anyone associated to any recruit in the process.
25k came afterwards.
Lyles was not contracted with Oregon when Lache signed. FYI.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Besides the conversation was after Lache decided for Oregon....schools would do this for any recruit
It’s no secret that Lache’s mom wasn’t incredibly involved towards the end due to certain circumstances. I am fairly certain that Lache actually lived with his guardians, so basically she was holding him hostage despite the fact she wasn’t actively involved in Seastrunk’s life. Lyles request seems pretty reasonable in that context.
$$$$$
Thats what you’re failing to see. No matter what “ethics” are involved, whether you believe it was a morally right thing to do or not, money was sent to this man. You can’t pay a coach, family member, or most importantly AN ADVISOR at any point in the process for any thing that they might have done! Even if you say that he provided you a totally unrelated service you can’t associate with that person and then ask them fro help with any recruit in any way at all. Once $ enters the picture your “mentorship” needs to be out the window. Either they messed up before Lache signed or after Lache signed, either way it’s a mess and its gonna end up being cleaned up by the NCAA.
Oregon could have sent him $1m dollars and it wouldn't change anything in regards to actual NCAA bylaws
Matt Daddy posted all of the relevant ones above so knock yourself trying to fit your argument in context of the rules.
Pease tell me you're not this dumb...
""NCAA bylaw 13.02.14 defines a representative of athletic interests as someone ‘who is known [or who should have been known] by a member of the institution’s executive or athletics administration to be assisting or to have been requested [by the athletics department staff] to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.’"
Asking Lyles for help in landing the LOI to attend Oregon could, in the NCAAs eyes, make him a booster. Sending him payment, uh-oh, WOULD BE BREAKING THE RULE ESTABLISHED BY THE BYLAWS!!!
Nope, nope, nope!
That’s a grocery list. Can’t you read? Nothing to see here. Move along!
Gray area! Very gray. Gray. Loopholes. Gray loopholes.
by brownale9000 on Jul 2, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lache intiated this not the Ducks...reading is tough but you can get through it
Lache came to me and said his mother was threatening him, saying she wouldn’t sign his letter of intent unless he went to the school she told him to go to," Lyles said. "He was worried about it because he wasn’t of age to sign the letter of intent himself. He wanted to find out how he could get his grandmother to sign the letter of intent instead of his mother, because his grandmother is the one that raised him in the first place.
Intelligence... too bad we can't all have it!
You can’t include the guy in the process of landing the signature, making him a person with declared interest, and then turn around and pay him for anything later. The moment the email gets sent, by OREGON, that declares that OREGON is asking him to look out for their interests, read booster. The moment a check is written to pay him for anything, well, thats PAYING A BOOSTER!!!
Burying your head in the sand doesn’t make it all go away. Read the last two paragraphs of Dodds column and prepare for what’s coming. But then again if you want to keep enjoying those tasty ground worms, that’s your choice!
No it's actually not.....you realize that money changing hands means absolutely nothing?
Considering the actual bylaws providing the definition of a booster is posted at the top of this article, you aren’t trying very hard.
Again...
NCAA bylaw 13.02.14 defines a representative of athletic interests as someone ‘who is known [or who should have been known] by a member of the institution’s executive or athletics administration to be assisting or to have beenrequested [by the athletics department staff] to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes
You can’t really be this dense can you? This stopped being challenging, or even fun, two posts ago.
Once again because you obviously didn't read it the first time.
Lache came to me and said his mother was threatening him, saying she wouldn’t sign his letter of intent unless he went to the school she told him to go to," Lyles said. "He was worried about it because he wasn’t of age to sign the letter of intent himself. He wanted to find out how he could get his grandmother to sign the letter of intent instead of his mother, because his grandmother is the one that raised him in the first place
If Oregon initiated this conversation you would be correct, but they didn’t.
How far can we consense this so you can comprehend it?
It doesn’t matter if Seastrunk approached Lyles or Lyles approached Seastrunk.
NCAA bylaw 13.02.14 defines a representative of athletic interests as someone "who is known… to be assisting … in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes."
He was known to have been assisting in the recruitment of Lache Seastrunk.
by brownale9000 on Jul 2, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
and he also stated he never steered anyone to Oregon or any other school.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
So what?
It doesn’t matter if he did or didn’t steer kids anywhere.
He was acting as a representative of the university and he was paid by the university. That is a violation.
by brownale9000 on Jul 2, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
How was he acting as a representative of the university?
Being paid 25k for scouting services, no matter how nebulous the service may be, is not acting as a representative of the university UNLESS he didn’t offer it to anyone else. And unless somebody can prove that someone at Oregon told him to recruit for Oregon, this bylaw doesn’t apply.
So no, it’s not a violation unless he steered kids somewhere. And the NCAA’s rules, as we have said ad nauseum here, are insufficient to prevent this kind of thing from happening. Keep arguing folks, it doesn’t change the fact that there’s no NCAA rule preventing this sort of thing from going on.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
by baseb3383 on Jul 2, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hmm...
Being paid 25k for scouting services, no matter how nebulous the service may be, is not acting as a representative of the university UNLESS he didn’t offer it to anyone else
I think it is pretty clear to anyone following this that UO was not paying for “film, profiles, video, phone numbers, insight” which is what the “National Package” claims to be.
And I disagree that there needs to be a direct piece of evidence, but instead simply an “expectation” and that is what the Infraction Committee will review based on interviews with the athletic department. Remember, it wasn’t the initial scandal that screwed Tressel, but the cover up.
by NewHuskyBeliever on Jul 4, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I got your 'National Package' right here...come get it.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Please stop drinking purple Koolaid.
Direct evidence allows us to distinguish truth from lies. I don’t want anyone, including Overton, to receive punishment for a wrong doing unless it can be proven that the same individual committed that wrong.
Duck fans want justice. I don’t speak for everyone, but I can assure you there are very few fans, if any, that don’t want the Ducks to receive punishment if we are found to have violated NCAA rules. All the media has now is circumstantial evidence: documents which can easily be taken out of context (because we don’t know if the NCAA received more than what was released by the FOIA request) and the word of guy who is pissed off he’s not getting paid and trying to clear his name.
Oregon’s decision to not speak to the media until they hear from the NCAA is not a cover up or a “bus roll” (are we tired of this phrase yet?) of Lyles. Lyles is an idiot if he doesn’t realize the UofO is looking out for its own interests.
Your mention of Tressel is not analogous. He would have been slapped with LOIC even if he hadn’t covered up the tattoos for memorabilia scandal. Tressel already had 6 nails in his coffin. The cover up gave him 12.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 4, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
i take that back
You are an insult to those who drink purple Koolaid.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 4, 2011 2:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It is *not* a court of law... and it might not be fair
Contrary to Overton’s situation (who is a thug and ought to be out in jail quite frankly but is beside the point), UO is not going in front of jury of their peers, and expectations and intent is just as important as the letter of the law to the NCAA since the committee has basically taken the “every case is different” approach (see Cam Newton) to handing out judgement and not ruled based on precedent ala a court of law. That is why this argument that the letter of the law was not violated is moot.
by NewHuskyBeliever on Jul 4, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I am fully aware an NCAA is not a court of law.
“I disagree that there needs to be a direct piece of evidence”
Your statement bothers me. What would you have as the arbiter of facts, conjecture? Tarot cards? Mood rings?
The NCAA has made intent important at their discretion (in a manner that does not make sense to me personally). Using an “every case is different” does not preclude the usage of precedent.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 4, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Prospective Student Athletes
If Lyles was EVER involved with the recruitment of a PSA then he is a booster. He admits to ‘helping out the Oregon coaches sometimes’. He helped recruit James and others. Clearly, he is a booster. Once a booster always a booster.
he was acting on the players interests
not necessarily oregons. when seastrunk said he wanted to go to oregon, and lyles helped him, he was looking for seastrunks interests, which also were oregons. i dont know of any big time college athletes i know that didn’t have a mentor helping them get in to a specific school.
He was known to have been assisting in the recruitment of Lache Seastrunk.
So are high school coaches. Are they boosters too?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jul 2, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We're not talking about high school coaches...
but if they are assisting in the recruitment of an athlete to a particular school then yes.
And if they were being paid by a university, that’s a violation.
by brownale9000 on Jul 2, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
So if I’m an athlete and I need help figuring out how to get an LOI signed for a particular school, and I ask my coach, if that coach gives me advice… he’s a booster?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
No,
but that’s why you can’t pay high school coaches $25,000.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
yes, but the payment was after all this
so unless you’re going to say he was paid for helping seastrunk get to Oregon, which Lyles contends didn’t happen, then by your own reasoning he’s not a booster either.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Will Lyles will be deemed a booster.
That’s inevitable. No way in hell you’re escaping that. We’ve seen people with far, far fewer tangible associations with our program labeled as such by the NCAA.
The unanswered questions are whether the $25,000 payment violates any rules, and if so, how badly.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
Anyone know when Lyles’ relationship with Seastrunk began?
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Summer 2008
The veteran coach said he first recalled hearing about Lyles after Seastrunk met him at a Texas A&M camp in the summer of 2008.
"Lightning from the Sky, Thunder from the Sea,"
"We aim .......... to please"
Conquest Chronicles
Thanks, Paragon.
When did Seastrunk stop being a USC lock?
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Shortly after Kiffin Became coach...
I hear it was something that Kiffin saw while at UT…I can’t confirm that though…Beats me.
"Lightning from the Sky, Thunder from the Sea,"
"We aim .......... to please"
Conquest Chronicles
So this problem we have could have been your problem if Carrol didn’t leave for the NFL?
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Possibly...who knows
"Lightning from the Sky, Thunder from the Sea,"
"We aim .......... to please"
Conquest Chronicles
Inevitable?
So LSU, Cal, and any others who paid Lyles will also be under sanctions?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 2, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
they didn't give him greeting cards thanking him for orchestrating events.
… the card, if authenticated, is really all the NCAA needs to classify him as a booster.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
So if a high school coached helped orchestrate a trip to Oregon for his players and receives a thank you note he's a booster?
actually - yes...
… the only people allowed to engage in anything that appears to be recruiting are the coaches.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Helping their own player stake trips is not a violation
Because of if that’s the case, pretty much every major high school program in the country is in violation of this
You're putting words in my mouth,
as I didn’t say anything about sanctions. Getting to your point, I think it’s entirely possible that LSU and Cal committed violations with Lyles. However, we know a lot more about Oregon’s relationship with Lyles than about Cal’s or LSU’s, and what we know now about Oregon, besides the vastly larger sum of cash, seems to indicate there was much more of a relationship there. Also, Cal and LSU received actual recruiting services with some value.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
Cal got them earlier,
when they were for actual recruits, not as part of an alleged ‘scramble’ by Chip Kelly.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
How's that possible?
Oregon was Lyle’s first client, then Cal and LSU. If Oregon’s information was outdated, and Cal became a client after Oregon, then how did they get them earlier?
Lyles said Cal got the same stuff as Oregon. It was useless junk (the recruiting guide, specifically) for both of them.
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Feb. 22, 2010: Lyles, on Complete Scouting Services letterhead, bills UO $25,000 for “2011 National Package.”
Eleven months passed – from March 2010 until February 2011 – before the Ducks requested a single written recruiting profile, Lyles said. And when that moment came, Lyles said the demand for the reports was sudden and emphatic, leading him to believe Oregon was "scrambling" to establish that he’d provided legitimate traditional scouting services because they were aware of a Yahoo! Sports investigation
Oregon didn’t receive written reports for 11 months because that wasn’t really what they were paying Lyles for. If Cal purchased the Texas package around the same time Oregon purchased the “National Package,” the package still contained relevant information.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
First, the information was so woefully out of date, even if Oregon had received it after first payment, it would have been useless, since that was for mostly 2009 recruits.
Second, you’re assuming Cal got the package then. As I understood the article, they received the same type of scouting that Oregon did, which was mostly verbal, and only received the information long after the fact.
The only athletic department that seemed remotely competent and worked with Lyles was LSU.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Exactly what I was trying to get at.
To Alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!
You're right,
What you do is buy them a new football field, and have a scrimmage in their stadium.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Incorrect.
Lyles flatly denies steering any prospects to any particular school. Therefore your statement “but if they are assisting in the recruitment of an athlete to a particular school then yes” is moot, no?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 2, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for your perspectives RandomGuy
It must be exhausting.
by DuckProfessor on Jul 2, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Incorrect.
You’re making things up as you go along, one might say “Random” -ly. Where does it specifically say what you just wrote?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 2, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Lyles orchestrated recent visits for multiple recruits to Oregon, including Seastrunk, eventual Oregon signee Dontae Williams
Lyles said many of his efforts were known by Kelly or other Oregon staffers before, during or after they took place
See also the Jan 12 email from Bill Clever outlining the procedure Will Lyles was asked to follow in order to get Lache’s guardianship switched.
by brownale9000 on Jul 2, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
You are trying to connect separate events to support your arguments.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
We were just talking about this yesterday, weren't we?
Intellectual dishonesty.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 2, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
In all seriousness, I don't think that there is anyone outside of Eugene who doesn't believe that Lyle's fits this definition of "booster".
all that matters now is how the Cleaner goes about the business of spinning it.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
well of course not. they also think the LMJ kidnapped and tried to hang his gf.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Not so fast...
… I heard he dropped her in a dry well and tormented her with his French Poodle.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
its some weird thing that involves “stealing jewelry and/or keys and finishes in the barkdust.” i’m really into that scene though.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
She puts the lotion in the basket
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jul 2, 2011 11:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Then Cal and LSU are in for a heap of trouble as well, aren't they?
Among others.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 2, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Cal fans are trying to figure out if we should be worried. It’s pretty hard to tell since all we really know is that we paid Lyles 5,000 for something. As best we can tell it was the information that Lyles eventually sent Oregon, except that when we got it it was still timely. We hope. After all, Lyles was trying to run a legit scouting company and presumably had actual info. It’s just that Oregon wasn’t very interested in that.
Frankly, if I had to guess I’d bet that Cal hired him in some sort of misguided effort to ‘keep up with the Joneses.’ Best to copy what the winners are doing, right? But maybe not when it comes to Lyles. Oops.
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Lyles was trying to run a legit scouting company and presumably had actual info. It’s just that Oregon wasn’t very interested in that.
WHOA .. Conjecture much?
I don’t think it’s conjecture. That was my understanding after reading the Yahoo article. Feel free to point out anything that’s inaccurate in my comment.
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
“My understanding” = conjecture. How was that?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
“My Understanding” = what the article said, subject to the quality of my reading comprehension, which very well might have been flawed.
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
Nothing is more assinine than his comment, "the NCAA rules are Oregon's rules."
Lyles isn’t as dumb as he’s pretending to be. While it may have been his first solo venture into recruiting, it was his third or fourth job in the industry.
Also, Oregon made his “recruiting materials” public because it had to comply with the FOIA request. Do you know if anyone has made a FOIA request for the information Cal received?
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 4, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
No, Cal’s recruitment information has not been requested since the NCAA is not interested in our program at the current time, because up to this point it appears to be a program that has cleaned itself up after an incident over 10 years ago and has started to become fiscally accountable as well.
Also we don’t have 5 star recruits from the state of Texas popping up every year or so.
Want to become a member of the press, and request them? You’ll see nothing to assuage your worries, and nothing to make you feel as if you have a companion down this road from the Bay Area.
"Our hearts shall sing and our voices ring for the dear old Blue and Gold!"
Methinks he doth protest too much.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Cal and LSU received reports that had value, and paid vastly less.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
Do we know that?
What Cal and LSU received? Because if UO got LAche Seastrunk, then LSU certainly got Patrick Peterson, the way I read it.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 2, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Lyles himself said he gave Cal the 2010 Texas package he threw at Oregon
and LSU received a genuine JC package:
That is a stark contrast from LSU, which Lyles said sent him a checklist to follow when submitting reports for the junior college package purchased by the Tigers. Their standards required written reports on two different dates and film on a continual basis over the length of the deal.
The Cal and LSU payments are also at about market value for those services. I wouldn’t swear that Cal and LSU are clean, but they’re covered pretty well by everything we know now.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
You're missing the point.
Seastrunk had already signed the LOI when Lyles got paid.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 2, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
This keeps coming up. When he got paid is irrelevant. Why he got paid is.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
And why (please site stuff if possible)
did he get paid?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Er
This probably isn’t a winning argument. Paying him for cocaine? Why, officer, he simply gave it to me! At which point I gave him 25k for services rendered. Other services. Like ensuring I receive my newspaper on time. I’m the real victim here
Like it or not, the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong. And while USC probably avoided even more serious sanctions through the fact that the NCAA is not a legal entity, and doesn’t have subpoena power, it also isn’t bound by the same laws of evidence found in court. In other words, if it looks dirty, smells dirty, and feels dirty, that’s about all they need if they can shoehorn it into one of several very broad bylaws.
Unless there is something that Oregon isn’t saying(here’s hoping), we’re pretty well screwed. Best case scenario, LSU and Cal get accompanying(and much smaller) sanctions.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
So your argument is that we’re going to get busted based on our intentions (I’m not disagreeing with this). But I’m still waiting for someone to show me the letter of the law we broke.
I get that the NCAA can hand down a punishment for whatever they want, I just want to make sure people are understanding it’s not because of some smoking gun that Lyles just brought to the party. It will be because the NCAA didn’t approve of Oregon’s intentions in using Lyles.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jul 2, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I totally agree
Sorry for not being clearer. We got caught in an incriminating position, and the NCAA is going to find a way to hammer us for it. Whether what we did was strictly against the rules(probably not, though it depends on your definition of booster) seems besides the point. The rules can be bent, and they will be. At this point, even if Kelly and Oregon have a compelling case, we are still likely going to be hit at least with a scholarship reduction. If they get caught in a lie, well, I hope they didn’t lie.
That said, I swear, if Auburn bought the National Championship for 200k, and we bought a benchwarmer for 25k, and we’re the ones who get slammed, I am not going to be pleased.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
Oregon got probation for 2 years for
forging a Letter of Intent. Is what Oregon did here worse than that?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
THANK GOODNESS WE RAN THAT COACH OUT OF TOWN?!?
Where in the wolrd is Bill Musgrave?
I see your Quack is as big as mine!
Athletic Director Bill Moos defended the program, saying officials were quick to report the violation.
“We’re very proud of the fact we have not had a major NCAA violation in, I believe, 20 years,” he said. “So we take this very seriously.”
Without any doubt, institutions that self report violations always receive the least penalties, but in this case Oregon is saying they didn’t do anything wrong. If the NCAA finds otherwise, then the penalties will be worse.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
I don't disagree
Which is why considering what has gone on recently with other athletic departments and coaches and compliance departments as well as in Oregon history, if they are saying they don’t think they did anything wrong either
a) they are completeidiots, having done something wrong and are only hoping the shit doesn’t hit the fan, or
b) they actually believe they didn’t do anything wrong.
There’s not much middle ground in this.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I don't know - that's why it is a question at this point
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jul 3, 2011 12:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So if you wait until AFTER the kid is signed...
then all rules go out the window? Gotcha! I mean, clearly it’s a reach to connect the dots here. The phony scouting reports, the ADs insistence that they can’t tell which videos they received from Lyles and which they didn’t (with Lyles now confirming that he never sent any to begin with, opposite of what Oregon has insisted), LaMike driving a car from a gangster benefactor with shockingly good credit… nothing to see here folks!
Thanks for coming. Stay awhile.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 2, 2011 10:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Lyles did send video
Lyles specifically said he got video from high school coaches throughout the year and passed it along to Oregon after disseminating it.
If the video came from the high school coaches, it most likely came from games and would be indistinguishable from other video that would not have specific recruiting service logos superimposed. THIS is what Oregon has claimed from the beginning. That they got video, but could not determine what specifically came from Lyles because all the video gets mixed together for the recruits.
He said he gave the Ducks at least 50 videos.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 2, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Because USC, auburn etc were no longer in the running and we were the leader to sign him. All coaches are trying to make sure there are no surprises on signing day.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 2, 2011 10:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Either he's a mentor or a services provider...
It’s pretty clear by the rules that you can be one or the other BUT NOT BOTH! Once $ is involved the lines become pretty dang clear.
Also try reading anything NOT put out by a "ProDucks" source...
It’s pretty clear how the rest of the world sees what’s going on. Here’s a hint: not too many on the Ducks side!
I’ve read everything by everyone. Not the point to my comment. All coaches are talking with recruits, family, Etc in the days leading up to signing day. You show up and act like all duck fans think did no wrong. You’re incorrect.
Columnists jobs are to speculate and draw conclusions. Since CK and company aren’t talking (cuz they don’t have to), they are filling the space. We’ll take our beating and impatiently wait for the NCAA to close the loop hole and hand out our punishment if they decide to do that.
As a sports fan, if this is what helps college football clean up the shadiness that is recruiting, I’m fine with losing a few scholarships, etc. Trying to guess what the NCAA is going to do is pointless though. Cam Newtons dad actively pimped out his son and nothing happened. USC gets hammered for something far less. I don’t think this situation is nearly as bad as either but who knows how it turns out.
As a Duck fan, I get to decide if I will cheer for every quick strike TD and boo every fake injury. You don’t have to.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 2, 2011 10:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The problem is...
You’ll probably lose your whiz kid coach on top of scholarships. What do USC, Ohio State and Tennessee all have in common? None of them has the coach who was in charge during the time of the rules violations!
and only 1 of those coaches got fired. the other two got promotions.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
WHAT WHAT WHAT?!?!?!
Carroll bailed ship before it sunk, Tressel was given the choice to resign or be fired and Pearl was straight up axed!
And?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 2, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
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by DuckProfessor on Jul 2, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I laugh because I just finished the book earlier today
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
Public knowledge
Just so you know, the procedure to allow a non-parent guardian to sign an LOI is on the NCAA website.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 2, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo, so that makes the whole debate about that email practically meaningless.
Seriously, this is like asking how to make coffee or how to electronically file taxes.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
How DO you make coffee? I've always wondered.
/drivesthroughstarbucksandhandsoutanotherthreedollars
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 2, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
If only you could get a teenager to go find the info online though.
Present company excluded, of course. As a parent of an 18 year old, my wife and I had to literally find the website for her college choices, and search the site for her, to find all the answers and guide her through the process.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
is it just me or should Chip Kelly start imitating Stone Cold Steve Austin (including the vest and jorts). he could just flip the camera off during every post game presser and hand out Stunners to opposing coaches at the 50 yd line.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I have been generally trying to stay out of this debate until all of the relevant info has come out.
I think it is important to note that at this point, we have yet to see all of the information. Specifically, we have not heard from Oregon, Coach Kelly, or the AD. What we have is some paper work that was released through FOIA with no supporting commentary to explain the circumstances, an interview by an obviously jilted associate, with a dubious reputation.
With all that said, before the Lyles statements that have come to light, on a scale of 1 to 10, my panic meter was at about a 2.5. Today I will set it at a 5.
This doesn’t look good. Even if Oregon’s actions weren’t “illegal,” and I think this is far from clear at this point, it definitely casts a shadow on UO’s football recruiting. We will be crucified in the media.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
We will be crucified in the media.
Fuck ‘em. If we didn’t do anything illegal, get probation, and win the Pac-12, they can shove it up their obviously bleached asses.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
by axemen23 on Jul 2, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You know what's cute? Conquest Chronicles and UWdawgpound are both convinced that we're gonna get near death-penalty-esque punishment for this.
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The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
I'm not sure we at Dawgpound think the death penalty is coming
… But there is a sense that it is not “if” but “when” chip will get run.
As far as the kettle black inference, guilty as charged. We’ve seen this movie and our prevalent opinion that the fan base ought to be calling for heads now is relatively well informed. At some point, you’ll have to decide if fighting for Chip is a good or bad thing for the program you love.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jul 2, 2011 11:58 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Right now it is.
The level headed of us all agreed yesterday though that, as painful as it may be, if CK lied or misled the NCAA, then he needs to go. The point that everyone is trying to make though is that WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN TOLD OR GIVEN TO THE NCAA!
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Wait, whaaaaaaat?
Did axeman23 just refer to himself as “level headed?”
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 2, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I can balance a book on my head. Therefore I have a level head
/dodgesthequestion
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Those phrases are mutually exclusive.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 2, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't understand why people think Chip will get fired even if Oregon is put on probation.
Unless he lied to the NCAA his job is pretty safe…
once he's branded as a cheater, he'd have a hard time recruiting and every little thing he does would be under even more of a microscope than it is now...
… plus, a lot of supporters will want a scapegoat. Its almost always the coach.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
It didn’t hurt Carrol’s ability to recruit.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
you sure about that?
I’d also add that the institutional pull of USC might be a little greater than than of UO.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Alright even I think you’re jumping the gun on this one – first there should be an “if” there.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
yes - of course - that was the context of the question I responded to.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Dayumn.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 2, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
New Weasal seems to be doing better than Sark.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
that all depends on what Chip said to the NCAA
I don’t care that he paid for access. But if he lied about it, we will crucify him
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Not me...I have laid low
I have posted a few things on this but I don’t recall saying anything of the sort.
Gotta link?
It would appear that you have some issues but who knows where this goes…
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All this for Seastrunk?
He better be real damn good. At least Reggie Bush got on the field before he wiped his program out.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
The fact that Seastrunk has NOT gotten on the field would be a huge plus if we're found to have gotten him illegally.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Not exactly, because he’s likely not the violator, if there have been any rules that have been violated.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Yeah
I think he is pretty clean in all of this. That said, we are unlikely to get our PAC 10 Championships retroactively erased, for whatever good that does.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
only in terms of not having games vacated
though since Lache received no benefits directly, that is unlikely anyways.
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I am sticking by Chip
and our team until proved differently.
by MCD Mom on Jul 2, 2011 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
What’s real? What’s not? How are we to know?
Here’s an answer as to what’s real. MICHIGAN SUCKS!
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 2, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone else see in one of the last few quack fixes where Musgrave said he was CV3000 and "walking out"
I can’t tell if he was kidding or not.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Hmm… he hasn’t logged on. Since that message… He could just be gone for the holiday weekend.
I would have a difficult time seeing him being too offended by a rec’d post, but stranger things have happened.
Either way, come back Musgrave!!
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
If that comment is the one that finally pushed him over the edge
then he’s a bigger pussy than I give him credit for.
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This big?

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 2, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
TWHS
/obvious’d
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 2, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
A buddy of mine has a cat hat fat.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
Really? What is this?
I missed this whole thing somehow…are you saying it’s possible he really quit us?
Curse you, Offseason.
Nah, I think he must have been kidding
Just read it – the CV3000 thing was quite brilliant though! He’s probably just gone for the holiday.
Musgrave, don’t even think for a moment of leaving us. I will hunt you down in Texas and forcibly nail your fingers to the keyboard if necessary. You know I’m mean enough to do it.
Curse you, Offseason.
You're also man enough to do it.
/internetted
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 2, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
So which is it?
Am I a man, a Ho, or a really nice girl?
A really nice man-ho perhaps?
Curse you, Offseason.
None of those terms are mutually exclusiv
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 2, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
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THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 2, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He's in Texas
He’s gone to take care of Will Lyles before he can talk to the NCAA again. We’ll all owe Musgrave a huge debt of gratitude. Just watch.
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He takes care of this problem
and we’re going to elect him Mayor of ATQ. And you have to go camping with him.
Curse you, Offseason.
I will NOT go camping with Musgrave!!!
/again
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A challenger appears

Who knew Jude Law would be the first GIS result for ‘Mayor of ATQ’
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 2, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Daisy has to have something to do with this
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Yeah
I’m pretty okay with this. I’d like to be the Assistant to the Mayor of ATQ please.
Curse you, Offseason.
'Special' Assistant I believe you mean.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 2, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I keep betting my ass, and I apparently keep winning, because I haven’t lost any of it.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I feel like I am missing a reference.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
So you’re saying it wasn’t funny?
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
by JShufelt on Jul 3, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nope, they're running errands for me at the moment.
My laundry isn’t gonna do itself.
Our Acrobatics & Tumbling team can beat up your Acrobatics & Tumbling team.
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He didn't even make an embarrassingly wrong prediction...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 2, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Just listened to the Dan Wetzel interview
with Crapstaino, and I am strangely comforted.
I think lines were crossed and a violation will be found, but Wetzel’s comments about the good things that guys like Lyles do and the fact that this is the reality in college football recruiting has dispelled a lot of the nefariousness of it for me.
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by NEP on Jul 2, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
If you haven’t heard it, it’s worth the listen. Almost all Wetzel and he paints a good unbiased picture of how nuanced it is. Pretty much blows up everything Crapstaino was trying to imply.
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You know why.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 2, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Out of curiousity
How did this pass compliance? I mean, aren’t they paid to protect the university? This looks pretty bad. And let’s say hypothetically it is really bad, how did it get through? 25k isn’t huge, but its significantly bigger than other payments for them to want some kind of documentation. So what happened? Am I missing something?
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
by No Pity on Jul 2, 2011 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Right there with you.
Reading through the back and forth today, I couldn’t help thinking “this is why you have to go through such rigorous training to be a lawyer.”
by omb on Jul 2, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for summing up my response to my first read of all this.
I think I’ll go read about the arguments for and against raising the debt ceiling for some comparatively calm discussion.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jul 2, 2011 6:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Meanwhile, Chip Kelly suspended possibly his most talented player
for the opener over speeding tickets.
Guy clearly wants to win at all costs.
This is also a key point for another reason
if CK is found to have lied (god forbid), He gets the Tressel hammer in regards to being the clean-savior and having lied, etc.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
You assume that speeding is the worst Cliff Harris has done.
by brownale9000 on Jul 3, 2011 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
This is simply a trolling comment. There is no other way to put it.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
You assume that trolling is the worst brownale9000 has done.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 3, 2011 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ughhhhhhh … I’m so tired of hearing about this right now when we don’t know ANYTHING really. I’m super tired of all the hand-wringing being done by UW and OSU fans right now that are basing their opinions on what the Media is feeding them even though UO has not said anything yet. Maybe we screwed up, maybe we didn’t, but no one outside of the parties involved know that yet. I hope we didn’t break any rules, and honestly, I don’t think we did anything worse than exploit a poorly defined rule. Specifically, I think we paid Willie Lyles to get us the access to recruits that High School coaches in Texas weren’t letting us have because of their ties to the big schools down there. I think the real cheating is being done by Mack Brown and UT, personally. But, if we get busted, I’ll be disappointed, but it won’t stop me from being a Duck.
by echo31 on Jul 2, 2011 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Nice post
I think we may have done a little worse than that, but I agree. We wanted access to Texas recruits, this was the way you get it. The Texas system will go down eventually, at least.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
Very much my feelings on this.
Though, I don’t exactly bored the Mack Brown/UT cheating.
From my experiences, I’ve found that there is more patriotism to Texas by Texans than there is by Texans to the USA, and that comes from the Texan Horses’ mouth.
Their mindset isn’t just “Everything is bigger in Texas” but “Everything is better in Texas”. I have zero doubt many high school schools/coaches in Texas don’t share that same sentiment.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
So, all this is coming because Lyles changed his mind on what was being purchased???
Right? So, if Oregon had purchased another year of his service, for another 25 K, this wouldn’t have blown up. What a little bitch rat. Anyway, here’s a hypothetical from deep right field. What if Lyles refused to speak with the NCAA? There is no legal way they can compel him to talk. Without him talking, seems like there wouldn’t be enough there to really do anything. Sounds like some hush money needs to come into play, maybe a cushy position at Nike??? Before freaking out, that’s said tongue in cheek.
Too late now
It looks like he said everything he had in this article. And if there’s other stuff, he doesn’t look like the kind of person who knows how to keep his mouth shut. Not a good character judgement by Kelly, regardless of the outcome.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
did you just mention good character and recruiting?
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by NEP on Jul 2, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
I mentioned a “good character judgement.” He doesn’t have to be a saint, but if your going to do something illegal, doing it with a loud mouthed and not entirely bright individual probably isn’t the best idea. Know why Auburn got away with the Cam Newton stuff? Because everyone kept their mouth shut.
I’m not saying that its right, but if Kelly wanted to do this, a little better judgement would have gone a long way.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
It is No Pity to me that you don't understand.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Uh, what?
I get that he was making a joke, I was just clarifying. Sorry.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
How can you say "Sorry" when your name is No Pity?
Oh, fuck. I think I just made another joke………oooops.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
Yep. There's a lot of that going around lately
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
i demand(!) to know how each of these innocent, impressionable youngsters organized and planned the trip out to Oregon:
Beginning Monday, the top performers and prospects from this year’s Nike football training camps will battle in The Opening at Nike headquarters in Beaverton, Ore.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=6724085
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Does someone have the law handy from Oregon that discusses the need for public bidding on any contractor above $25,000?
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Never mind, I found it. http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/rules/OARS_100/OAR_137/137_048.html
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Thanks for the link
Unless I’m missing something, this is what I found:
(1) Contracting Agencies may enter into a Contract directly with a Consultant without following the selection procedures set forth elsewhere in these rules if:…
(b) Small Estimated Fee. The Estimated Fee to be paid under the Contract does not exceed $50,000; or
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Interesting.
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Got a tip that $25K was the max Oregon could pay without someone else being consulted. Wanted to know the relevant law.
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Then what you are looking for is
this, but again as the title illustrates this is for higher education (universities) but only relates to capital construction and contracting
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Tip could be totally wrong. Thanks Matt.
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Usually are.
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by Matt Daddy on Jul 2, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
angrybeavs.com
Has anyone been perusing the “Angrybeavs” site lately? Some goofy ass speculation regarding players, pot and gear. This is either snowballing into hell or there is a whole lotta Duck hatred out there bubbling like magma, just waiting to erupt. Either way, it aint pretty and I’m really tired of it.
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This cracks me up
Now, I heard that this story happened in Portland (making Cliff Harris’ recent midnight run pretty interesting to me). Today the other source told me that the house was in Eugene – in fact the same house that Kiko Alonso broke into back in April/May.
Not that Duck players being in the Rose Parade was coincidence, it’s because they were hitting up a random pot dealer. Or some single lady who deals pot out of her house and has a grow room calls the police when Kiko breaks in late at night.
Chasing rumors must get exhausting. You’re chasing your tail 99% of the time while a bunch of idiot kids stand around you cheering you on for doing it.
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He's been good when he talks about the beavs
It’s pretty hard to stay objective when you’re talking about your rival though. Ask me to write a story about how I think the huskies are going to do next year and I guarantee it won’t be nearly as glowing as huskies like.
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I wouldn't go that far
More like Drudge. If you agree with what he’s putting out then he’s brilliant, if not it’s really easy to dismiss what he’s saying.
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by Matt Daddy on Jul 2, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Until recently, he spoke rather admirably of the Oregon program.
This whole Lyles has clearly changed Angry’s opinion, and now it’s turning into a “they can do no good” rival mindset.
Regardless, it’s still the best OSU blog on the ’net.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Next issue I have been hearing is the involvement of Chip with the invoice. Did Lyles invoice Chip? Or did Chip personally handle the issuance of the check? People find that very suspicious and say that HCs only deal with the accounting side at a DII type school where they have to handle a lot more of that stuff. That a HC at a bigger school was doing this personally raises a lot of red flags apparently.
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This tip one must be from someone with amnesia.
Oregon released a copy of the invoice and check when this story broke back in March. The invoice had multiple signatures on it, which consistent with the review and approval policy for a lot of businesses.
I believe a purchase order was part of the doc dump a couple weeks ago.
And I sincerely doubt the check was personally handled by CK due to that fact. In most large organizations once you issues a purchase order there is a procedure to be followed. Also unknown is what Chip’s “signing authority” is as far as expenses. Once would think it would be for at least $25K, but this is a public university rather than a private corporation, so who knows? Either way, it WAS cleared by the compliance office (or so we’re told), making the point somewhat moot, don’t you think? If the compliance office cleared the purchase, he couldn’t have been working outside of normal procedures as your “tips” seem to be suggesting. Are they actual “tips” or simply “speculation?”
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 3, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
If he ordered the service, he almost assuredly has to have some level of approval of the payment.
However, it is definitely not his signature on the PO.
Link to PO. (PDF Warning)
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Actually....
recruiting services do need to provide information via published materials. You’ll find #8 interesting.
That is interesting. I would say that isn’t a bylaw and only a FAQ, but I would think the two coincide with each other.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I looked through the bylaws (better than studying for the CPA Exam) and didn't find anything which is strange.
very strange
@ ppilot, The NCAA clearly does not condone recruiting services giving information regarding recruits through verbal means, as stated in #8. However, after reading over the bylaws it does not appear that they have an established rule to back this up. The attorneys are surely aware of this and will throw it in the NCAA’s face. That said, as a Husky fan I’ve spent waaaaaaay too much time on Oregon blogs lol. Good luck to you fellas, this is a first rate blog.
If it was clearly stated in the bylaws, then I don't think it would be a question that is frequently asked.
Title 13.14.3 seems to lay out all the rules regarding scouting services.
I think there are three parts in here that could be broken by giving verbal information. It says that the service must be;
a) Is made available to all institutions desiring to subscribe and at the same fee rate for all subscribers
If information is given verbally, then there is no way to know if everyone had the same information made available to them.
c) Disseminates information (e.g., reports, profiles) about prospective student-athletes at least four times per calendar year
To disseminate means to broadcast, or to spread something out widely. If you you’re verbally relaying information directly to coaches one on one, then there is no way to see that the information is being disseminated.
And I think the biggest thing is the opening;
An institution may subscribe to a recruiting or scouting serviceFind a definition of the word “subscribe” that would fit with what Oregon and Lyles were doing. Generally all definitions of the word subscribe that would fit with a “service” involves something tangible such as a publication or online service.
You could try to argue that the standard definition of the word “subscribe” could be stretched to include more than printed or online services, but I’m guessing the NCAA would say that that is the exact kind of thing that the compliance office should be checking with them about before taking that leap.
by Mind of no mind on Jul 4, 2011 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions
If you want to find this doc without my link
go to the ncaa.org site. Type in recruiting services in the search in the upper right of the page.
Weird day
Today I went up north of Vancouver to play an afternoon gig outside of a leather store that sells gear to bikers. We played on their front porch while the bikers came and went, and it was pretty typical for a summer blues / classic rock gig except for one strange moment.
I’m shuffling away in Eb (of course!) and I glance to my left, and who do I see leaning on the rail, looking right at me? BIKER JIM TRESSEL!!! He had the hair, the glasses (tinted), even a white T-shirt. All that was missing was the vest, but he must have left that back in Columbus. He just watched us play for a few minutes, then vanished like a ghost. It was so strange, I wanted to tell someone, but nobody in the band would understand.
Did I see a ghost, or did ol’ Jim trade his vest in for some chaps? Could he really have taken his punt-on-fourth-and-inches mentality on the road, traveling from town to town on a Harley and answering to no one but the call of the open road? Or maybe playing 3 gigs in 3 days with no sleep and living entirely on birthday cake has effected my brain. But I’m pretty sure Jim Tressel is a biker.
I feel like there are two strange things here
One being that you survived 3 days on sugar eggs and heavy cream. Two, that someone was awake to not only see this post, but comment on it in a timely manner.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
Could have been Garrison Keillor?
He has always seemed more than a little freaky-deaky to me. He could just dress up in leather and hang around shops that sell biker gear. Not that there’s anything wrong with that….
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 3, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
My sincere condolences to you all...
Seriously. This sucks.
My number one goal in life is to run a mile with an anteater. I imagine they're great companions and even better athletes.
Thanks, buuuuut.....
Last time I checked, leather-clad Jim tressel sightings by sleep deprived, malnourished musicians were not seen as a bad omen.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 3, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks David.
although I preferred the less formal davereg412.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I agree
This new david fellow is just hoity. As well as toity.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 3, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
His thyroid was fragged & he was goity, too.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
This thread has been missing somethng...
All this joy can only be topped by a rainbow farting unicorn!

Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
v

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 3, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a BLT. See the lettuce? See the tomato?

See the cat? See the cradle?
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 3, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I just want this to end quickly. Figure out what we did wrong, render the punishment, and don’t drag it out for years.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 3, 2011 2:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
that’s the thing. i dont think they can rule on this until they find out who else is exploiting this rule.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not?
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 3, 2011 2:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
i know the NCAA isn’t synonymous with common sense but i’d think it’d be best to close all the loop holes at once. i know its impossible and coaches aren’t going to share how they get around it but it’s a hope.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Because a big part of the final rulings will be the establishment of a few new major rules
Reigning in 7v7 football camps sponsored by “people with connections” and held on college campuses, the links between high school football coaches/assistants and college coaches, and the role of scouting services in recruiting AAU style.
My guess is that the biggest change will be that scouting-service directors/owners/et al will have to go through an accreditation process with the NCAA, similar to how NFL agents have to go through certification with the NFLPA.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
the recruiting event at Nike Campus this week (“The Opening”) seems like the shadiest thing ever. no idea how it’s legal and how all these kids from all over the country pay to fly all over the country for these events.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that most of those kids are from west of the rockies-ish
does anyone have a roster?
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
nope. this is for the best of the best from all the other events.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=6595180
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Top states represented
• California — 29 prospects
• Florida — 27 prospects
• Texas — 16 prospects
• Georgia — 13 prospects
• Ohio — 9 prospects
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=6724085
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
And I would expect an event like this to be illegal under NCAA rule within the next 2 to 3 years.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
i would like the opposite to happen. make it clearly legal to get sponsorship of somehow for expenses.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
it wouldn’t. i’m just saying that they should make it ok for a poor kid to get a trip and food if they follow the rules and disclose it properly.
not sayin’ that wouldn’t get abused like every other thing.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree....
It’s the waiting and not knowing that is the worst of all. SC had it bad: Waiting years for the inevitable thrashing. Resolution came pretty quick for Ohio St.
Just hope Glazier and UO sees that playing cat and mouse (dragging it out) could be just as psychologically damaging as the possible punishments. However, we may be pigeon-holed into playing our “grey-area” card and this “investigation” could continue well into the season.
Here’s to hoping we see a press conference soon. sigh…go ducks.
It took SC forever because they stonewalled the investigation
If you read the report on the SC situation, the NCAA was made to prove each element of each offense because SC would admit NOTHING. Cooperating, as we are, speeds that up considerably and also makes them more likely not to come down hard on you.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
@Dstuckey52: For all those questioning Chip Kelly’s integrity get a life.He’s changed the culture @ Oregon in many positive ways#Fact
DeWitt Stuckey registering his vote.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Rec for NEP, 7 rec's for Stuckey
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Can you just imagine how hard these men are working in the Mo Center to vindicate their coach? Pooor LSU
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
hopefully LSU doesn’t get in trouble for there dealing with Lyles (Patrick Peterson), which in turn, makes their players practice harder for Les Miles.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Just what is a recruiting service?
I’ve heard guys on the radio say that a recruiting service simply dumps information into the school’s lap and leaves them to wade through it. And I’ve seen quotes from Oregon coaches saying that they’ve gone out to scout with Lyles, as a scout, and made it sound like a pretty common thing to have more interaction with a scout than simply buying a stack of CD’s from a nameless service.
I feel like we, as fans, don’t have a clear picture of how the typical big-time program (USC, Texas, Bama, etc.) handles recruiting. I imagine there’s a lot more depth than just signing up for Rivals.com and hiring somebody to click on the kids with the most stars by their name.
wasn’t there a report that Auburn/Bama paid like $200k the last 3 yrs for scouting services? i can’t imagine its just for video.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Alabama has been fairly consistent, having spent $85,000 from July 2008-June 2009, $81,000 the following year and $52,626 in the following 10-month period that ended this March. Auburn spent $44,000, $15,000 and $40,000 over the same reporting periods.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/05/auburn_and_alabama_rely_on_rec.html
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Letter vs. Intent
From the NCAA’s Bylaw Blog re: the rule changes affecting Rivals and Scout earlier this year:
In the sport of men’s basketball, coaches and boosters were buying multiple copies of sham recruiting services for thousands of dollars a piece from AAU coaches and handlers. In exchange for thousands or tens of thousands of dollars, coaches would get names, height and weight, and generic rankings or ratings like stars or "high major." And more importantly, they got access to the AAU coach or handler’s prospects.
They’re trying to avoid money being funneled for access/influence but using a “know it when you see it” approach rather than putting a clear firewall in place. I think they obviously want “recruiting service” to mean impersonal information clearinghouse (like XOS and the other national services with huge databases) but they have been very slow to put clear language in place. In the mean time, schools have been playing dumb. Besides packages from some of the large companies does anyone really think the very small local services like Lyles’ and probably countless others around the country were just offering basic height/weight/phone info?
i’m still hoping the NCAA vacates our 2 wins from the year Mike Dunigan was a sophomore. that’d be funny.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And in typical fashin the NCAA reacted way too late on this and overreached when they did
This has been going on in AAU basketball for years!
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
a Keyshawn (sp?) Johnson sponsored team just won the 7on7 championships today. college football is college basketball.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed it is
College BB is more of a joke though, the 1 and done real means players don’t even have to pretend to care about school. Attend classes for one term then bounce.
I like the college baseball system, you either leave before college and go pro or you have to stay a few years.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
/chadjohnson’d aka ochocinco’d
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
At least in college FB you have to stay in school 3 years, that means its not as MUCH of a sham.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
LaMichael James All-Pac-10 Academic????
"Our hearts shall sing and our voices ring for the dear old Blue and Gold!"
Anybody read Schroeder's new column "Question's remain about Oregon's dealings with Lyles as each assumes posture of Victim"
Quesiton: How has Oregon assumed the posture the posture of victim when they haven’t said anything at all?
No I am not providing a link because Schroeder is quickly approaching the Clown as king of the no-fact column
cuz he assumes our only defense is “were are dumb and paid for a sh*tty product.”
i think our defense is, “show us the rule we broke. fix the rule.”
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right George
Too bad Mosley is on his honeymoon right now.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Yep, the honeymooon is OVER.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Both Mosley's literal one and George's metaphorical one
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
And the Clown's hypothetical one
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
The Clown makes more $ than anyone else at the O
Why shouldn’t he want to follow him.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
i just figured it out:
during the trial Willie Lyles is gonna pull of his face and reveal he is actually…..Joe Giansante!!! scorned by the Oregon Sports Network and Pac 12, he finally gets his revenge!
/scooby-doo’d
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
This is unfortunate
I may be one of the only Husky fans to come over and say I truely hope this doesn’t manifest into a $C situation. I don’t want our next victory to feel empty against you guys due to reductions, probations or sanctions of any kind. Look at $C the last 2 years we have beat them, either they weren’t interested or ended up giving in at the end of the season. I’m not the one saying we are gonna go to the Rose Bowl every year although we are getting better and building. I just am hoping that this doesn’t result in any punishment and maybe a rule re-write or clarifications the NCAA should have done in the first place. All I want is the next victory for my Dawgs against you guys is to be on equal terms with no NCAA penelties. Good luck, see ya in November!
Last PAC-10 Rose Bowl winner not named USC....Washington
Thanks, Dawg. It’s sincerely appreciated.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jul 3, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks DF91
only next time don’t capitalize husky…
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Everyone take a deep breath and try to enjoy the holiday
I’m the first to admit to being stressed out by this whole thing, but we can’t control what happens next. Instead let’s enjoy the holiday tomorrow and give thanks for the great country we live in and remember when the media and trolls aren’t making a profit from our misfortunes or enjoying their schadenfreude, they are our fellow Americans. Without our college football hats on we all stand side by side with more in common than not. Happy 4th of July, friends. Go see a baseball game, watch a parade or eat some apple pie, and give thanks for our freedoms!
Curse you, Offseason.
by daisyduck on Jul 3, 2011 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Let's get down and get sexual!!
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Ask her....?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Blessedly OT:
Faramir from the 3rd Lord of the Rings movie looks like a 20-something Joe Elliott. It’s bugged for for a long time who it was he reminds me of, and today I got it.
Curse you, Offseason.
Let's wager bets on what we think our punishment will be!
I’m saying 15 less scholarships for 2-3 years and a 1 year postseason ban.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 3, 2011 6:08 PM PDT reply actions
gimme 5 less for 2 yrs. probation.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
What I'd like to see,
UO admit to using an impermissible recruiting service. Self-penalize something like 8 scholarships over 2-3 years. As long as we avoid a postseason ban, everything should be ok. Not spectacular, but not too bad.
by omb on Jul 3, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably too late
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
A 3 year ban from having to listen to Clownzano or read his columns!
Errr, wait you said punishment, huh? Never mind, that would be a gift. Apology from Clown and Schroeder for premature e-jerk-ulation.
you're joking, right?
I think a couple of scholarship losses during a single year is the absolute worst case. This is NOT an SC situation.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jul 3, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What the hell?
you think we’re gonna get punished MORE than USC?
I’ll bet you 4 years probation and 2 scholarships lost for 3 years.
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
…USC got a 2 year ban and a loss of 30 scholarships.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 3, 2011 10:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ah, I see. I meant 15 over a period of 2-3 years.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 3, 2011 10:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nick Cody has weighed in, too!
“Can’t wait for all the self-proclaimed experts to feel REAL dumb when the Duckies are cleared and this BS is over and we go get the big one!”
Gotta love the fight in these Ducks!
Link?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Good place for this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qM8-otChg
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Hypothetical:
My understanding is that there really isn’t anything that would cause any of the players to be ineligible. Because of this, there wouldn’t be any vacated wins, even if the book was thrown at us. IF this was to drag out, Ducks went undefeated, went to the title game and won, they would be the National Champs, and there would be no stripping of titles or trophies. Right???
unless they say we some how waited 3 yrs to pay him for LMJ. otherwise correct.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Right....like Willie was soo rich he could wait 3 years???
Ane Willie ain’t gonna be gettin’ any richer soon….not many schools (high school or college) gonna be trustin’ him to be around much….eh, what?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
that’s what i’m saying. its entertaining that they have to throw in his relationship w LMJ into every article.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Jul 3, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Well to be fair
The media does love talking about the best running back in the country.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
If you could choose, which would it be???
A. Oregon receives some smaller sanctions, but not enough to fire Chip, a few scholies lost, no post season ban, double-secret probation for a few years, but with distractions they don’t make the Rose Bowl, much less the BCSNCG.
B. Oregon goes undefeated and wins the BCSNCG, but after that, the NCAA throws the book at em so bad they have to fire Chip. But, we get to keep the National Title and possibly the Heisman.
God, you a sick mfker.
ok, then, YOU get to choose:
1. You gotta french kiss the Clown on live TV b4 the LSU game
2. You and Musgrave gotta go camping overnight with Musgrave in Reser Stadium.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
OOops, I got excited; # 2 should read
2. You and Musgrave gotta go camping overnight with Musgrave Schroeder in Reser Stadium.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
To be vacated:
Lache’s interview with that jackass before the Natty.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 3, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
People, our Fairy Godmother has an important announcement!
Have a happy and safe 4th peeples, Butte to Butte, BBQ, and Beer! (& not in that order)

Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!
by DamienS on Jul 3, 2011 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's a friggin' drag queen, not the fairy godmother......that may be 'the clown' his-own-self.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, I go away for three days and all hell breaks loose.
When I said I expected fireworks I didn’t expect to be taken literally.
(I don’t know of an actual connection between Oregon and this Muckleshoot Indian reservation fireworks stand near Auburn, WA, but there might as well be one.)

Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
Honestly this is the most sane place I've found. Educk (my usual spot) has gone completely nuts.
Fans are having a hard time processing the facts right now.
That's what you get for going camping with Musgrave
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
If Oregon had hired Lyles as a recruiting coordinator or asst coach
and paid him $250K per year to do this… It would be a non-issue right? I can think of 4 instances in the last 5 years- where High School football coaches have been GIVEN coaching jobs at major universities and just so happened to coincide with a star player they coached signing with that school…
To me what Oregon is being accused of is very minor in comparison to that- which is of course perfectly legal… Which btw- so is a scouting a service and paying someone under 100K to someone who can give you his insight into Texas recruiting who is plugged in- IS A BARGAIN. Ask LSU.
Non Issue?
Sure, but then each team is limited to 9 coaches not 10 so someone else must go. He also would be limited by the number of contracts he had with each kid, so his ‘mentoring’ and "training’ activities would need to stop. Since he would be living in Oregon he would lose alot of high school contacts. And, of course, he could not operate a ‘recruting service’. Even Lyles admits his services were beyond what a normal recruiting service provides.
I know you meant "contacts"
but that’s one funny as hell typo.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Mark May announces his scorched earth policy on CFB Live today
“Any school that uses a consultant, any school that uses a recruiting service, that coach and that athletic director should be fired.”
I love experts.
Nobody does offseason like Oregon. --- Gekko Mojo
by benzduck on Jul 4, 2011 1:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
mark may is an idiot
in the last two years i don’t remember the last thing he said that was intelligent or i hadn’t already tought of. him and lou holtz need to go, they’re horrific.
Mark May is
Blind in one eye and can’t see out of the other. There. It had to be said no matter how poor of taste. I’m that unhappy with the media right now.
Tradition never changes. Champions do.
You think I can get a D1 coaching job Guys?
You know, since 120 of them just became available?
The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ
I'd apply, but I looked at Rivals this one time.
And I read ATQ, which has to count as a consultant.
by omb on Jul 4, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions

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