The Will Lyles Timeline
by Matt Daddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:00 AM PDT
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PrintFor everyone that is trying to wrap their arms around what exactly happened and how Oregon became associated and intertwined with someone that appears to be going on an all out media blitz to save his name and reputation, I thought it would be a good idea to put together a timeline of what has happened and look at the relevant links and information out there.
Some of this information was started by Loudquack96 over at Duck Territory and the rest has been complied by myself. If you find inaccuracies or want clarifications, please feel free to leave them in the comments.
Footnotes after the jump...
(1) In 2007 Lyles helped LaMichael James avoid a standardized test required by Texas high school students for graduation, by figuring out that if James transferred for his final semester to a high school in Arkansas, the standardized test would not be required. One of the things missing from Yahoo's report was the fact that James' grandmother (who had raised him) had recently died and he was struggling with life especially considering he was living on his own.
(2) Lyles was a coach for Seastrunk's 7-on-7 team with along with Texas QB Connor Wood. Allegedly, Jeff Wood, Connor's father helped pay for study courses at Sylvan Learning for Seastrunk which was arranged by Lyles.
(3) Texas blogs pick up Texas schools losing out on recruits to LSU, Alabama, Auburn, USC, Tennessee and Oregon. According to Lyles, when high school coaches got wind that players were working with him, they called coaches and recruiting coordinators at Texas Universities.
(4) Relevant section regarding recruiting services:
13.14.3 Recruiting Services.
13.14.3.1 Published Recruiting Services. An institution may subscribe to a regularly published scouting
service involving prospective student-athletes, provided this service is made available to all institutions desiring to subscribe and at the same fee rate for all subscribers.
13.14.3.2 Video Services. Member institutions are permitted to use video services, provided only regularly scheduled (regular season) high school or two-year college contests are involved. The institution may not contract with the service in advance to have a particular contest recorded or provided, and the service must be available to a video made available by a scouting service is considered an evaluation activity and is subject to applicable evaluation regulations. (Revised: 9/15/97)
13.14.3.3 Effect of Violation. Violations of Bylaw 13.14.3 and its subsections shall be considere all institutions at the same cost. Off-campus observation of a prospective student-athlete institutional violations per Constitution
(5) According to the Canzano interview with Will Lyles, Lyles accompanied other recruits on their visits to LSU.
(6) Kelly sends a note to Lyles thanking him for helping get recruits out for a visit to Oregon.
(7) On December 28th, 2009, contrary to some media reports, Will Lyles registered his business, Complete Scouting Services with his county.
(8) Josh Gibson and Bill Clever, employees of Oregon's compliance department, communicate with Will about the rules regarding having a grandparent become the guardian on a letter of intent.
(9) The NCAA adopted rule changes to what is considered a recruiting service. Most NCAA rule changes take effect starting in August of the next year. This rule change however was pushed through the Amendment Process immediately and took affect 19 days after Lyles registered his company.
(10) Here is a complete listing of all the purchase orders for Oregon going back to 2008 including the one from Complete Scouting Services and Will Lyles for $25,000.
(11) Here is the updated NCAA bylaw regarding recruiting services that was revised 7 months earlier and is now being released in its annual Manual Report.
13.14.3 Recruiting or Scouting Services. An institution may subscribe to a recruiting or scouting service involving prospective student-athletes, provided the institution does not purchase more than one annual subscription to a particular service and the service: (Adopted: 1/1/02, Revised: 1/16/10)
(a) Is made available to all institutions desiring to subscribe and at the same fee rate for all subscribers;
(b) Publicly identifies all applicable rates;
(c) Disseminates information (e.g., reports, profiles) about prospective student-athletes at least four times per calendar year
(d) Publicly identifies the geographical scope of the service (e.g., local, regional, national) and reflects broad-based coverage of the geographical area in the information it disseminates
(e) Provides individual analysis beyond demographic information or rankings for each prospective student-athlete in the information it disseminates; (Revised: 4/13/10)
(f ) Provides access to samples or previews of the information it disseminates before purchase of a subscription; and
(g) Provides video that is restricted to regularly scheduled (regular-season) high school, preparatory school or two-year college contests and for which the institution made no prior arrangements for recording. (Note: This provision is applicable only if the subscription includes video services.)
(12) Ice Miller, one of the largest law firms in Indianapolis (city of the home office of the NCAA) provides a recap of the recent NCAA Convention and the annual meeting of the Collegiate Commissioners Association Compliance Administrators regarding the changes to the definition of recruiting services and the implication for compliance departments records. The parts to note are:
The archived interpretation basically says an entity would be considered a recruiting service if the entity (or a part of the entity) is primarily focused on providing information or evaluation about prospective student-athletes to college coaches. This interpretation is a bit vague and leaves room for interpretation by both the companies and the colleges coaches they work with and whether the NCAA criteria would apply (pg 5)
as well as:
Given the fact that a year has gone by since the new criteria has been established and companies may disagree with their designation as a recruiting service, additional NCAA interpretations or educational columns to help clarify what constitutes a service could be on the horizon. (pg 8)
(13) Oregon receives a number of documents from Lyles to substantiate their services together over the preceding year. Most of the documents look out of date, incomplete, or completely inaccurate. Including a 2010 National High School Evaluation Booklet that includes players from 2009 as well as a player that was deceased. Lyles explained that he threw the booklet together after an urgent request from Oregon officials asking for "last minute stuff." Considering this was near the last day that Oregon had Lyles under contract for services, and there was a recent national convention regarding the compliance of recent rule changes to recruiting services, Oregon may have been trying to build a paper trail to go along with their video, text and verbal communications with Lyles over the year to justify the purchase of his services to compliance.
(14) March 3, 2011 Charles Robinson, of Yahoo, releases his initial report regarding Oregon's payment to Will Lyles and Baron Flenory for scouting services. Oregon immediately goes into "radio silence" and has consistently communicated that they believe "they have not done anything wrong."
(15) Around the same time as Yahoo's initial report, Oregon hires Michael "The Cleaner" Glazier to represent them to the NCAA by putting him on retainer for up to $150,000 and advise them on how they should proceed with the NCAA investigation.
(16) After having a 6 hour interview with the NCAA where Oregon, Seastrunk or Kelly are not discussed, Lyles calls Oregon and speaks with Josh Gibson for 94 minutes about renewing their arrangement for another $25,000 for the 2011-12 recruiting class. Allegedly they discuss whether or not Lyles is going to receive payment for the year, where Lyles later discloses that Oregon has backed away from their agreement and will not be using his services anymore.
(17) Lyles conducts a multi-day interview with original Yahoo reporter Charles Robinson about his dealings with Oregon and his services as a scout and influence for players in the Texas area
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I was told that the NCAA
Had officially sent a letter of investigation? Is that true or not? Isn’t that what Mark May was reporting? Has the UO ever said they have gotten a letter stating that they are under the official investigation, or just the only dealings we know with for sure are when Oregon handed over materials to the NCAA in March?
I’m so confused since there is so much non-truths out there.
Tradition never changes. Champions do.
Nothing has been mentioned of that.
Here is something to know about the Letter of Investigation: The NCAA doesn’t need to tell the public, it is usually the school that makes mention of it, but they are not required to say it. With how tight-lipped they are being, it is possible they have, but there is no way that can be confirmed at the moment.
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"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Isn’t that what Mark May was reporting?
Never listen to anything said by Mark May or Lou Holtz. Let this be a lesson.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I admit to not following this closely at all. So I don’t know much of the intimated details.
So I have this question for those of you who HAVE been following this. To me, the item on there that reallys stands out as looking badly is item 13. It looks like a cover-up. Is that how others iterpret it? What’s the legitimate explanation for those out of date documents?
Yes, I know I’m calling for speculation, which is going to make Jared go on a murderous rampage. But I’d like to understand the bottom line – how and why Oregon could get in trouble, and why people here think they might escape sanctions.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Gosh, I envy you.
I admit to not following this closely at all.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 7, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I figured from the beginning that it wouldn’t be worth the effort. I’m not trying to stick my head in the sand – I know Oregon could get sanctions and it’s possible that they’re deserved. I just don’t feel like the process is interesting.
The NCAA and media are frustrating.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I am right there with you Gorby
I have no control over any of this, I don’t want to get all emotionally involved with this. When the final verdict is out I will see what’s up. I hate not knowing Oregon’s take on this, so I will wait until that comes out before taking any kind of position on this one.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
According to Lyles
A lot of the information we got was by phone calls and text messages with an agreement to send documentation later. Then when we asked for it in a rush he sent over anything he could find.
This is what I got from the Clownzano interview, anyone else catch that?
That seems to be what the Yahoo story said.
While some are viewing this as a cover-up, I don’t necessarily see it that way. It really depends on how Oregon presented that information to the NCAA.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I don’t have the perception that the actions as a cover-up, but I can easily see how someone CAN.
It’s like seeing a bunch of glass in an intersection. You can surmise a couple cars got in a wreck, but it could be someone didn’t properly tie-down some house windows, and one slide out as the driver made a sudden change in momentum (This example is inspired by a true story).
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"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
My concern is the NCAA is so random in enforcement
and the request to suddenly provide documents does look bad. Even if this is not proof of wrongdoing the NCAA doesn’t need proof, they work more like your parents than law enforcement when it comes to determining guilt. If it looks bad they will punish you, not apply the letter of the law only to what they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
But unlike my parents, they actually have extensive and convoluted documents which detail their rules and regulations to help people not get in trouble and to know what is expected of them.
They might make up some of the smaller details as they seem fit, but they haven’t been entirely arbitrary either.
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"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
True, but its the convoluted part that makes things vague
there are too many variables, like changing rules most of the way through our relationship with Lyles and us trying to adjust to them. It makes it very difficult to predict if this is a violation. If we did this all in 2008, no issue. If we did it all in 2011, violation. That we did it over a period that spans rules changes, and made some effort to adjust… No idea what the outcome will be.
Indeed. It’s also possible that the NCAA was actually making actions directly in response to us and/or Lyles.
Meaning, the original Yahoo! article is a year-behind the NCAA. It also means this could not be the focus for the NCAA investigators and likely not something we need to be worried about.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
This is what I wrote in the quack fix yesterday:
Here is a hypothesis to explain some events and the documents:
…if the NCAA only recently passed the rule that itemized deliverable requirements were needed, it explains a reason, according to Lyles’s story, of why Oregon didn’t feel the need to have spreadsheets or documentation at the time (it was prior to the rule being passed), and that Lyles’ needed to deliver proper documentation for next year, when the time came.
Fast forward quite a few months later when Oregon paid Lyles, the new rules were now enacted – and they sensed an upcoming NCAA inquiry due to the first Yahoo! Sports report. They would likely want something to show the NCAA of what they expect to receive in the future for these payments. – the actual details would not be significant.
This is something I just gathered though, and it is of significance because that rule IS grayed out.
V. LEGISLATION THAT IS SHADED/SCREENED
Legislation, incorporations of interpretations, editorial revisions and modifications of wording approved or adopted after August 1, 2009, are set off by a gray background and include an adoption or revision date.
VI. NOTATION OF LEGISLATION WITH DELAYED EFFECTIVE DATE
Legislation with a delayed effective date is enclosed in a box and set off by a gray background. A notation of the action taken by the Board of Directors and the date the amendment becomes effective is included. Because this Manual is effective August 1, 2010, the only legislation that will be shown in this manner is that which is to be effective August 1, 2011, or later.
But someone that speaks legalese might need to interpret that a bit clearer than I do.
There are dates for “Adoption” “Revision”, and "Effective""
If something is “adopted”, is it immediately effective?
If something is “revision”, is it immediately effective?
The rule 13.14.3 has a revision date of “1/16/10”, but if it is not effective until 8/1/11, my hypothesis is still sound. If it isn’t effective at that date, then the hypothesis could still accurate, but someone – and probably someone within Oregon – messed up.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
The Ice Miller report makes your point moot
Given the fact that a year has gone by since the new criteria has been established and companies may disagree with their designation as a recruiting service, additional NCAA interpretations or educational columns to help clarify what constitutes a service could be on the horizon.
Ice Miller wrote that in February 2011, and the rule change was put in place in January of 2010. The key for me is that when Kelly agrees to work with Lyles and “runs it through compliance” the old rules were still on the books. The Ice Miller report also talks about how volleyball coaches were allowed to continue working with a company for the remainder of the year when the company was found to be under the new regulations, but were required to be used as a scouting service if the coaches wanted to work with them again the next year (sound familiar?).
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Well… It’s one hypothesis. The whole thing is moot.
But it doesn’t make the point that Oregon wanted something – anything – to show the NCAA of what they would expect to receive in the future to to have adherence the new NCAA legislation requirements an unlikely possibility.
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"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Well, if
The rule 13.14.3 has a revision date of "1/16/10", but if it is not effective until 8/1/11
The effective date would actually been 8/1/10 or the start of the ’10-11 school year. Oregon requesting the documentation in Feb 2011 could still mean they were trying to fit into the new rules for ’10-11.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Are we agreeing?
I can’t tell.
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"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
You said the effective date would be 8/1/11
whereas the effective date would be 8/1/10. Either way this rule became effective BEFORE they requested the documentation from Lyles.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Sorry. I meant 8/1/10, not 8/1/11.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I would hope our compliance department would have required documentation regardless of whether or not there was an NCAA bylaw governing it
Those Candied Yam Awards are important. ;-]
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with your view that it's one hypothesis
Captain Obvious says it’s a a marketing piece. It was written to provide very general advice, but also raise questions about a potential client’s particular case. Lawyers then bill for answering specific questions.
In a sense, it’s no different than the full page advertisements in news publications that are required to put “ADVERTISEMENT” at the top of the page so readers don’t think it’s part of the publication copy.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's my speculation
When Oregon agrees to be Lyles’ client in Dec ’09 the old NCAA bylaw stated nothing regarding documentation or not paying for verbal scouting information. As a matter of fact if you read the Ice Miller document you will see that this was a problem not only for college football but even volleyball (go figure).
Oregon then gets wind of the rules change (either by attending the annual compliance meeting, or the Ice Miller report, or because Kelly had agreed to another year of service with Lyles and once again was running it through compliance, or some mysterious back channel tip off regarding the Yahoo report that wasn’t even written yet and won’t be published for another 2 weeks) and requests documents from Lyles on 2/17/11 when their year of service is supposed to be up on 2/22/11. They obviously don’t want to wait till after the service period (2/22) because then Lyles is not under any obligation to produce anything.
Oregon is most likely realizing that Lyles no longer fits in the old definition of the NCAA, and they will most likely not be using his services so they request some documentation to attach to their file of their relationship with Lyles over the preceding year. This documentation along with their testimony regarding working with Lyles will later be disclosed to the NCAA and requested under FOIA by the Oregonian and Register Guard.
/tinfoilhatoff
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
What I don't understand is the widespread speculation
that CK asked for or was happy with the outdated information he received. All we have is Lyles saying they wanted documents in a hurry. It’s entirely plausible, if not probable, that CK wanted, and expected to receive, written documentation of the players that they had been discussing verbally.
As an appraiser if a client needs a value opinion in a hurry, we can do the work and give it to them, with the report to follow. They would expect to receive a report documenting our methods and analysis that supports the verbal opinion previously provided.
My parents believed in me.
Agreed, we do that all the time
get on the phone with the client, give them our advice or through it on a white board and this is fine for a while. We usually provide a written formal version of this for the client to share and hold after we’ve told them the valuable parts of the consulting work.
Of course, the docs Lyles gave in Feb wasn’t 5 days out of date, it was a year or two…
My two Gorby bucks
My guess is the Compliance Department asked for documentation to be provided from the beginning, regardless of whether or not there was an NCAA bylaw in effect. Once Oregon received word of what was about to happen, we “rushed” Lyles to provide what we’d been asking him to provide all along. He’s claiming a cover-up by Oregon when the fact of the matter is he started his term paper too late to finish it on time.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
First. Gorby Backs are NOT legal tender in this discussion because he isn't invested therein.
Second: Is there not at least one other ‘reasonable’ possibility than that we ‘rushed’ Lyles to ‘provide’ written ‘stuff?’
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
It's totally reasonable!
The Compliance Office (TCO): “Hey Coach Kelly, make sure Lyles gives us documents.”
Chip: “NCAA rules don’t require scouting services to provide written documentation yet.”
TCO: “We want them anyway.”
Chip: “The Visor will get written documentation!”
****
Chip: “Hey Will, here’s a thank you note written by some peon who signed my name. Oh, btw, the Oregon Compliance Office wanted me to tell you to provide us with written documentation.”
Will: “Sure thing Coach!”
****
TCO: “Hey Chip, where are those documents we asked for?”
Chip: “The Visor will get the documents!”
****
Chip: “I still need those documents, Will.”
Will: “Still working on them, Coach!”
Chip: “Ok, but get them to me sooner rather than later.”
****
TCO: “Hey Chip, something’s coming down the pipeline. Where are those documents we asked for?”
Chip: “The Visor to the rescue!”
****
Chip: “Will, asked you for those documents several times. I can’t stress how important it is for you to provide us with written documentation.”
Will: “Still working on them, Coach!”
Chip: “Well Will, I need whatever you’ve got.”
Will: “Let me scramble because I haven’t been keeping written documentation during the course of our agreement.”
Chip: “WTF is this?”
Will: "It’s what I used to mop up a coffee spill on my counter last week. When do I get my next $25K, Chip? I really need paper towels….."
Chip:
****
Chip: "Here’s what he gave me…."
And then TCO was like, “Hmmm…..Ok, we’ll give it to the NCAA.”
And then the Cleaner was like, “Don’t say a word to anybody about anything.”
And then the entire Oregon Athetic Department was like, “I’m cool with that.”
And the NCAA was like, “We’re going to be awhile.”
And Duck fans were like, “WTH?”
And Oregon was like, [crickets chirping]
And the media was like, “GRRRR! To the FOIA-mobile!”
And the State of Oregon was like, “Here you go!”
And Duck fans were like, “W-T-F!?”
And a few days later the State of Oregon was like, “Oh, sorry. This was stuck to our shoe.”
And Duck fans were still like, “W-T-F!?”
And Jason Whitlock was like, “Lyles lives in a shitty house and drives a shitty car!”
And Cliff Harris was like, “VRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
And Clowny was like, “How can I blow this out of proportion with conclusions that have no basis in facts?”
And Sports by TMZ was like, “I haz diarrhea of the mouth AND fingers!”
And Oregon was like, [crickets chirping]
And Baver and fusky fans were like, “MULTIPLE YEAR DEATH PENALTY!”
And Duck fans were like "Chill!"
And u$c fans were like, I have no grasp of the facts, but this looks way worse than what we did!“
And Duck fans were like "Please…”
And Oregon was like, [crickets chirping]
And then Lyles was like, "Blah, blah, I didn’t bother to read the NCAA rules in 8 years of working in the recruiting industry blah, trying to get a documentary film made about my life, blah blah, contradiction blah blah contradiction made blah mistakes blah."
And the media was like, "How many times can we use the term, ‘bus roll’ in the next twenty seconds?"
And LSUFreek was like, "Here are some funny animated gifs!"
And everyone was like, "LOL!"
And Oregon was like, [crickets chirping]
And the NCAA was like, “Not done yet. YOU MAD?”
And Oregon was like, [crickets chirping]
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 21 recs
I finally got to laughing at Cliff Harris.
I was full fledged belly laughing when I got to LSUFreek.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
That was so funking funny and so plausible....I 'm crying fucking Big tears I'm happier than I've been in 3 weeks.
Going green my friend,
p.s. I think we’ve got some new members in ‘the club,’ eh what?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Glad you enjoyed it!
I beg to differ on your denial of Gorby bucks. He started the Wheaton Wave way back when (see up there^?).
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The second part is certainly meant to be funny
But I honestly think the first part is very plausable. Is that what happened? I don’t know. I’d love for someone to ask Lyles if he gave Oregon more than what was released in the FOIA dump.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 8, 2011 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Well done sir
And Cliff Harris was like, "VRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
That’s gold, Jerry! Gold!
Unversity of Oregon, Class of 2006. Currently spreading the Duck love in Ann Arbor, MI.
Thank you, O'Banyan (or however one spells it-not like I could look it up on teh interwebs)
The Cliffy line is my favorite, too.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 8, 2011 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Brilliance! pure, unadulterated brilliance!
Thank you for the laugh.
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
by Duckfanatic10 on Jul 8, 2011 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL at the UO/Lyles/NCAA situation as an message board flame war !
well played sir. LULZ!
Old Guy Trojan fan defeatedly smoking a cig in the bathroom line @ the Coli during halftime:
"How DOES anybody stop you guys?!?!"
Me: Uhhhhhhh. er, well...
Go Ducks!
and then Clownzano was like:
“SMH mah twitter account was HaX0red !!! That dick-pic wasn’t me!”
Old Guy Trojan fan defeatedly smoking a cig in the bathroom line @ the Coli during halftime:
"How DOES anybody stop you guys?!?!"
Me: Uhhhhhhh. er, well...
Go Ducks!
I find Gorby Backs to be very tender.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 13, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is the part of the timeline
Where Oregon announces that its defense plan is to make Lyles look like a swindler who duped them?
I don’t see that on there, yet that seems to be the fact (based on what I’ve read thus far).
My parents believed in me.
Can someon explain why Oregon facililting...
the LOI procurement of Lache through Lyles is that damning? I fully expect that Oregon would give him the rules to petition for his grandmother to be the signer if his mother was such an impediment. I just don’t understand the rules and I guess Lyles doing this could constitute him being a booster. However, Lyles did say that Lache came to him annoyed that his mom was haning it over his head. Oregon passed along the info. Lyles has a history of shuttling kids to multiple universities.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
It's because of the proximity of time between
Lache signing his LOI, Lyles forming a Scouting Service Company, and Oregon hiring Lyles and paying him 25k. That’s one of the reasons I wanted the timeline, so people can have their facts straight when talking about what happened when.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Lache also has established, prior to investigation, that his mother wasn’t a stable part of his life.
A claim she denies, yet everyone else’s story apparently supports. This would be why they wanted to seek a different guardian in the first place.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
btw, Oregon on front page of ESPN.com right now
nothing new I don’t think, just a background/oped piece by Gene Wosdfsdfzdfasfaasdfdasdcski.
And making it clear why this whole situation is a bit unfair to UO
Wosdfsdfasdkjfnaski can’t even say what it is we did wrong despite writing a front page article about it and being a supposed college football expert
Not after Coach Sweater Vest, Jim Tressel, with his American flag lapel pin and his laughable book on “life promises,” lied through his molars about his starring role in a clumsy cover-up.
Not after Cecil Newton went underground when his pay-for-play scheme involving his son Cam was exposed.
Not after the murky, something-doesn’t-feel-right-here circumstances involving Oregon coach Chip Kelly and scouting service owner Will Lyles.
Did a cat walk across the keyboard when the doctor was filling out his birth certificate?
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I think he’s related to the Icelandic Volcano, Eyjafjallajökull.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I had an icelandic anthropoloy professor...
he had turrets syndrome and said that no one cared about swearing in ICELAND but he developed a foot fetish. Instead of swearing he’d touch peoples feet.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
Prolly should have gone in the Quack fix, but whatevs.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Skywaker's got your back on that
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
by Duckfanatic10 on Jul 7, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
“Hooray for our side!” -Flynn, Tron (1982)
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
/flaggedforspellinghisnamecorrectly
I heard about it on teh twittehs. Bomani Jones, the other guest, will be interviewed or otherwise contribute on Clowny’s show tomorrow.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I just tweeted this page to Bomani so he has the facts laid out in front of him for tomorrow.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that Clowny has ever listened to logic....
@bomani_jones Here’s a timeline of Lylesgate (and some pro-Oregon commentary): http://t.co/DBeXtlo Please rip Cl*nz*n* a new one!
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Oregon is screwed
a $25,000 recruiting service from any reputable service would consist of written reports, video, and breakdown of hundreds of players. Not phone calls about 5-10 players. 25k is well above the high end cost of the best recruiting subscriptions out there. . Then they try to cover it up by scrambling to get information to cover their butts. Now instead of admitting a mistake the school is claiming they did nothing wrong and the smug Chip Kelly not saying a word.
No way this ends well
Thanks for creating an account, logging in, ignoring everything that has been said, and posting. Really. It’s cool man.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
What's the over/under
That this is Clowny?
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I honestly think John Canzano would post under his name or something with “The Bald Faced Truth”. The guy isn’t shy or ashamed.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Plus he’d relish the opportunity for more attention
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Shu, WTF are the 4th and fifth words in your post immediately above? Huh?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
The first one is what I do.
The second one is what I wipe with when I’m done.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
by JShufelt on Jul 7, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Fucking beeuteeflew, my friend, I hope this goes green, too.
Second belly laugh in as many minutes…
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
You responded to yourself.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Wow, that's a whole different kind of reply fail.
Do I get a medal for that?
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Solid, well-reasoned analysis, blazeby02!!!
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Jul 7, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Totally Screwed!
All of this parsing about timelines and what set of definitions for a recruiting service were in play is nonsense. The fact is Lyles became a representative of Oregon the moment he met Kelley. Recruiting services publish data they do not interact with the coaches. Lyles tried to have it both ways. He claims to be a mentor, trainer and advisor to the kids while also ‘helping the Oregon coaches sometimes’. Contact with the coaches made him their agent. The committed a major infraction even without the payment. Kelley and the Oregon compliance department knew it. That is why the tried to cover it up. They were counting on not being caught. Agents like Lyles give the coaching staff an unfair advantage because only the 9 coaches may have contact with recruits off campus and they are limited in the number of contacts and times the contact can occur. Unfortunately, Yahoo uncovered the truth. Now all of the departments sins will be disclosed. This may take two years for the NCAA process to run its course. The end result will be some of the worst sanctions ever levied on a program.
That is why the tried to cover it up. They were counting on not being caught.
This is idiocy. Thanks for commenting.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
You're being too kind.
The fact is Lyles became a representative of Oregon the moment he met Kelley.
Contact with the coaches made him their agent.
What you’ve just said … is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by omb on Jul 7, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
What part don't you Ducks understand?
Only the 9 coaches may contact PSA’s off campus! Intermediaries (boosters) are not allowed to ever contact the kids!. Contact is limited to specific times and numbers. Read the rule book. Oregon essentially added Lyles as an extra coach and turned him loose to contact PSA’s whenever and as frequently as he could.
Oregon essentially added Lyles as an extra coach and turned him loose
Nope.
by omb on Jul 7, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Explain it to us then, cupcake.
Cite your sources and make your case that supports what you’ve uncovered that it will take the NCAA over 2 years to figure out.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Wait, wait
let’s not be too hasty in our judgement of our guest. How can a person with that avatar not be taken seriously?!
My parents believed in me.
Heehee.
Always funny when a chump gets all “read the rule book” when by his very blathering it is quite obvious he has not. Not quite as good as misspelling “genius” when trying to write some smack, but close.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 8, 2011 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions
You mean the rule book isn’t on goducks.com? I’m so confused now.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I'm not even sure which rule book he is referring to.
My guess is “The Fantasy Baver Rule Book That Always Ends With The Ducks Being Banned No Matter How Far-Fetched.”
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 8, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
If this doesn't put you in the immediate cross hairs of Jlight,
then I’ll just put my hands up!
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
WHAT?!?!
The fact is Lyles became a representative of Oregon the moment he met Kelley.
Do you even understand any of the basics of the rules??
I've met Mike Riley
therefore I’m a representative of Oregon State.
OH MY GOD!
Chip Kelly has met Mike Riley. CHIP KELLY IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF OREGON STATE!!!!
FIRE CHIP KELLY!!!!!
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
I think we should parse over these rules...
1) Profanity and personal attacks directed at specific people (other commenters, players, etc.) .
2) Comments that are intolerant or prejudiced (sexist, racist, homophobic, etc.) in nature.
3) Posting information that is private or from a paid site, or copying and pasting articles without proper attribution (linking and block-quoting).
4) Posts that are inflammatory and deemed as “trolling.” This will include any posts that are made on other SBNation websites.
I think you might be in direct violation.*
*up front disclaimer that I am not very good with these
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
Anybody check out John B's article on the Dpound yesterday?
I got a paragraph in when I realized I was pretty much reading a John “No Fact-zone” Canzano. Granted it is a Husky blog
My favorite thing about the Dawg Pound
is their adamant belief that any recruit who lists interest in them going to sign there.
I think they’re still huddled around the fax waiting for Heimuli’s LOI.
Went over to try and respectfully (and I really mean that) explain why there was no eligibility issue with James on the present facts (and factually based allegations) but they don’t seem to be having it. Apparently out last two years will be vacated because “Lyles knew Kelly.”
by omb on Jul 7, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
NCAA rule change
Matt,
First, I think the date on the far right of the first line of the graphic should be “July 2009”
Does anyone know who was behind the slammed-through and sped-up revision to the rules regarding recruiting services? Seems kind of fishy to me. Wouldn’t it be interesting if that was something pushed by Texas?
Don
Another interesting theory,
how could we check that out?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Wait, do you mean like FishDuck?
Meh, the "Let’s-not-let-CFB-become-like-CBB narrative has been around for awhile.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 7, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Words form a beaver fan
I’m not a big duck fan, by no means, but I think that everyone in the media is blowing this all up because there is not anything else to report on right now; which is lazy reporting in my option. No one knows all the facts and I don’t think that anyone will but if the ducks did not do anything wrong just the story alone will hurt the ducks in the short and long run which just a shame. It is like how the media is quick to convict someone and convinces the public before the trial even starts. Yes, I think that people can have their own options but to the extent that ESPN and other outlets are reporting on the story just does unneeded damage the word slander comes to mind. Just my two cents.
oh, them beavers
Thanks for the comment.
If the NCAA finds out that Oregon did something wrong, then Oregon deserves punishment. WHAT and the WHAT LEVEL of punishment should be, nobody knows.
I think there’s been one person that could be sued for defamation and another is starting to hit that line too, but we’ll see what unfolds.
You’re absolutely right with the guilty before innocent business though.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
See there are some reasonable beaver fans out there ;)
But I have to omit that I’ve been very impressed with the job that Kelly as has done over the past few years and in a way it makes me hate(maybe to strong of a word but anyways) the ducks a little bit more; as any good rival would. But, believe me if something does come out of this for the ducks and they do get the hammar I’ll have to give some good natured ribbing to all of my duck friends. This I’d expect from them if the tables were reversed; this is what rivalries are all about right ?
oh, them beavers
We’ve had a few good beaver fans come by here. I’m have no opposition to other fans, even rivals, coming here and commenting, but as long as they come to have a reasonable and/or respectful dialog, I’m thrilled. If they try hit-and-run posting or they come in to stir the pot, they’ll get no warm welcome.
What I find interesting is that the majority of people coming here to try and start a flame war are husky fans and auburn fans. I can only think of one beaver fan that’s really popped in to troll.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I’ve read other site ie Espn and Oregon live and it gets so bad most of the time that it is not even fun anymore. the commenting just seem to be the same postings over and over without any real dialog and I think to myself what is the point of this. it is like a crazies person just screaming at each other on the street corner.
oh, them beavers
just to let you know I dislike the huskies and their fans a whole lot more than the ducks. I’ve been to games up there and believe me every time I do their fans are always rude for no reason. for example last year the X2 over time game even when they won they were rude and we i told them that was a good game a few of them yelld back that the beavers did not give them much of a game or something to that effect with some expletives thrown in. ever game up there has been like that.
oh, them beavers
More Research.
I was having a back-and-forth with an obstinant Husky fan over at the dawgpound concerning whether or not James recruitment was on the up and up. I started wondering, what counts as impermissible contact? What of third parties? Here’s the NCAA reg:
13.02.4
A contact is any face-to-face encounter between a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting.
Nothing about third party acquaintances with no legal relationship to the prospect.
Who is an athletic representative(booster) of the university?
According to Oregon’s NCAA Rules and Regulations for Boosters booklet you are a booster:
“if you have ever assisted in the recruitment of a student athlete”.
Willie Lyles admits to ’helping out the Oregon coaches sometimes". He arranged extra benefits for James and Seastrunk. He accompanied Gary Campbell on recruiting visits. He organized on campus visits. He answered numerous phone calls and text messages about the kids. It seems pretty clear he was assisting with recruiting. CK even sent him a thank you note for his help. Once a booster always a booster.
If all schools did recruiting the way Oregon did it, each school would have 500 boosters out at high school games handing out $100 handshakes and buying mom’s cars.
It isn't necessary to pay them.
If they were active enough in your recruitment efforts the programs would certainly find a way to reimbursement them for their time and out of pocket expenses. This is what the NCAA is trying to prevent and why only the 9 coaches are allowed to recruit off campus.
Can I have a source of the 9 coaches rule? I’m not doubting the accuracy of that, I just want to read the wording of the rule myself.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I’m not doubting the accuracy of that, I just want to read the wording of the rule myself.
he’s not questioning either, he just wants to see it for himself.
"Fuck you UW. How many days since you last beat us?" -skywaker9
by QuackQuackAttack on Jul 7, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
“•Who is permitted to recruit for the University of Oregon?
Only University of Oregon coaches and staff members may be involved in the recruiting process."
It is in the same Oregon Handbook. It is a PDF. You can Google it for yourself.
You’re not answering my question.
You made the claim, provide your source. I would like to read it for myself, but I don’t want to dive through a bunch of NCAA bylaws to verify your claim – it’s not my burden of proof.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
That makes no mention of the 9 coaches rule.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I feel like I’m talking at a wall.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Or a 3rd grade child.
Can I see what’s in your hand?
There’s nothing in my hand.
Open your hand please.
No your other hand.
Please stop and just show me what’s in your HAND!
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here is the one thing I can't reconcile...
he was taking recruits to LSU’s campus, to ATMs campus, and allbarn’s…so, can you be a booster of multiple schools? Seriously….reconcile that.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
Yes!
Definately. Willie is the worst agent in the business. He has all of these programs in trouble.
Now let me get this straight...
he is the worst kind of booster?
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
I like the kind with money...
and only recruit for your school.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
I want to boost you
in the worst way!
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 8, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the dictionary definition -
A person or thing that helps increase or promote something, in particular.
Lyles doesn’t play the part according to the dictionary. According to the testimony of Lyles, Lache and Oregon, he wasn’t acting as a booster. According to Baver, Fusky and Cnzno he is a booster.
What will the NCAA say…I dunno.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
Nothing I can see in the NCAA bylaws specifically defines a booster, only “booster events” or “booster groups”.
Oh, and something about booster shots.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
What about booster seats? There are so many kinds nowadays...it's confusing.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
I… don’t think they call those booster seats.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-S-N-A-R-K-Y"
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I'll check the state website...
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
"Booster" is the slang. The term in the rules is
“representative of the institution’s athletics interest”
Rule 13.02.14:
A “representative of the institution’s athletics interests” is an individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution’s executive or athletics administration to: (Revised: 2/16/00)
(a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution’s intercollegiate athletics program;
(b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;
© Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families; or
(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution’s athletics program.
The argument is, under 13.02.14©, that Lyles assisted in the recruitment of student athletes. Which it seems like, he did, just by that text. He helped in the recruitment of these guys.
Here’s the problem – if you read it absolutely literally, and don’t imply “help recruit them To That School,” with some intent to steer or push them, lobby them to attend that university, then everyone, literally EVERYONE is a booster. If you read it strictly without implying context, every person who helps any recruit is a booster of every school that that student is being recruited by.
Here’s the grey area and the rub. If you imply that necessary context, there are arguments for and against Lyles counting. Simply thanking him for setting up could be. But if I’m the judge, I say that if he was setting up trips to MANY schools, then he’s not a booster of any of them, because it would be ridiculous to say that he was a booster of ALL. Lyles says he never “steered” anyone. It’s definitely grey. We have arguments for and against us under this rule.
Final note, interestingly, even if you read it with context, a Texas alum who is a Texas High School coach would certainly count as a booster. Any coach who ran interference – and shut out a school claiming “they’re going to Texas” would clearly be a Texas booster, so long as UT knew or should have known that he was doing it.
Sorry everyone.
I’m working as a law clerk this summer.
Hence the gray area
every person who helps any recruit is a booster of every school that that student is being recruited by.
Considering it has been common practice for Texas high school coaches to “assist” athletes in going to Texas Universities and “steer” them in that direction by stonewalling other out of state schools. So are high school coaches boosters? No one wants to answer that because then every school is guilty of working with a booster at some point in time, and all Oregon really did was level the playing field by using someone that was also a coach… just not at a high school (a 7-on-7 team which Texas schools hate).
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jul 7, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is THE ESSENCE !! REC for MR Daddy
all Oregon really did was level the playing field by using someone that was also a coach… just not at a high school (a 7-on-7 team which Texas schools hate).
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Absolutely you can be.
You become a booster if you get season tickets for any sport. Or if you make a donation of to the athletic department in any amount.
Phil Knight is an Oregon State booster.
We will need exact quotes from the NCAA guidelines.
You will find the pertinent passages in several of our previous Quack Fixes and other postings as well as on the NCAA website. Nowhere have I seen a sentence that is as vague as “if they were active enough in your recruitment efforts,” so maybe we missed something?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 8, 2011 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions
So a lot of high school coaches are boosters?
He arranged extra benefits for… He accompanied [coaches] on recruiting visits. He organized on campus visits. He answered numerous phone calls and text messages about the kids.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
My HS coaches (football and track) wanted me to go to New Mexico. It was the only school they ever mentioned.
I was such a rube, I thought walk-on was just that, so I just walked on to the track at Oregon without ever talking to a coach or anybody associated in any way with Oregon. Turned out ok
Speed Endurance Talent is how Track Town USA plays football. Win The Day
As I explained above (not implying you didn't see it, since you posted first)
Yes, they would be, under the most literal interpretation – the one the Media is using to hang us. Any high school coach who assisted in recruiting would be a booster to every school recruiting his kids.
And, interestingly, even under the seemingly necessary/intended meaning that requires intent or steering, a high school coach that pushed kids to a particular school would certainly be a booster. I’m remembering hearing about a Lake Oswego coach who pushed kids to OSU, but not Oregon. He would be a booster, and all his contacts would be impermissible, illegal recruiting.
What "extra benefits" did he in fact arrange?
“Extra benefits” are defined as those not available to other recruits. The information about how to change guardianship on a LOI is publicly available. Next, Lyles might have given James advice on how to graduate, but that did NOT benefit ONLY Oregon to the detriment of all other schools. In fact, James graduating was obviously to the benefit of any school that might have recruited him. Further, if your laughable rationalization (Lyles became a booster/athletic representative the minute he met Chip Kelly hahahahahahahaha!) were actually factually correct, all 120 FBS schools are now and have been violating the same rules.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jul 8, 2011 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions
They can't add that
Nothing about third party acquaintances with no legal relationship to the prospect.
Otherwise, how are Texas high school coaches going to let Texas Universities know what their players need or are intending on doing.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Is this inside or outside of the recruiting period?
by DuckUntilDeath on Jul 8, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
And ok, so I feel like a conspiracy theorist,
But those two notes from the Yahoo! story, supposedly from Chip and Tom Osborne, are in just about the exact same handwriting.
It's probably the handwriting of a graduate assistant.
I’d imagine it’s standard operating procedure. Regardless, those notes (most likely not written by the signer) really don’t prove or support anything.
Via Spencer Paysinger:
I predict, when it’s all said and done, that the media’s reputation will b hurt more than that of Oregon, Chip Kelly, Lache and LMJ #goducks
I tend to agree.
My parents believed in me.
by flyduckfly on Jul 7, 2011 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
A few more Media Monkeys out this morning
on the final poo flinging fling. This must be selling time or papers. It just keeps getting more ridiculous. Maybe there is just nothing else to do.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
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