2011 Position Previews: Will a rebuilt offensive line be able to handle elite defenses?
I'm very conflicted about last year's offensive line. On one hand, they helped pave the way to a 280 yards per game attack that averaged almost 6 yards per carry. By normal statistics, they improved on the 2009 season, though only marginally if you're looking only at conference numbers.
But I don't think that these numbers tell the whole story. When Oregon faced elite Front 7's, the offensive line struggled. Against Arizona State and California, two of the top defenses in the conference, the Ducks struggled. Against these defense, and also Auburn's, the Ducks were held significantly below their season rushing averages. These two defenses, and Auburn's were the only defense to hold the Ducks below 5 yards per carry, and each did so by at least a yard and a half per carry. While the 2009 offense had it's own consistency issues, once they got into conference play, they ran consistently against every foe they faced.
Unfortunately, advanced statistics back up these assertions about last year's line. Line Yards is a flawed but interesting metric to measure offensive line production. It values consistent production and penalizes lines when backs are tackled behind the line of scrimmage. When adjusted for strength of schedule, Oregon ranked in the top 15 from 2006-2009. Last year's team saw a drop to 51st in the country.
How is this possible? Last year, Oregon become the Adam Dunn of rushing offenses. They either hit the home run, or struck out. Against average or worse lines, the Ducks line was talented enough to open up holes to allow LaMichael James and the rest of the running backs to get into open space. Against elite defenses, that did not happen. jcgoducks had a great piece on how LaMichael James deserves a lot of credit for the Ducks' success last season. Similarly, Darron Thomas deserves a lot of praise for his ability to stand in the pocket and take hits all season long.
I don't want this to seem like I'm nothing but critical of last year's line. As I said in the beginning, they paved the way for 280 yards per game. They had many strengths, but they also had weaknesses, and good defensive lines were able to exploit that.
Where does this leave us for 2011? For better or worse, I think it will be more of the same. We shouhld have a very good offensive line, but we may be a couple years away from having a truly dominant line.
The Ducks return 2 1/2 starters from last years offensive line. Mark Asper, Carson York, and Darrion Weems give the Ducks enough experience so that the Ducks will not face the same type of hole they faced in 2009.
However, the Ducks must replace First Team All Pac-10 center Jordan Holmes. With fall camp underway, this has turned into a battle between Hroniss Grasu and Karrington Armstrong, though Hamani Stevens may challenge both players. While both players lack experience, either will almost definitely mean an athletic upgrade from last year. For all that Jordan Holmes did, he is not your prototypical center to lead one of the top offenses in the nation. In 2009 and 2010, the Ducks offensive attack shifted subtly from the previous years. After the departure of Max Unger, the Ducks no longer had the athleticism to run the stretch play that helped lead to the massive 2008 rushing numbers.
This year, expect the Ducks to run that play frequently. In fact, the stretch (out of an ace formation) was the only play to score a touchdown during the Spring Game. FishDuck did a great job diagramming this play (scroll down to Ace #5). In this, you can see Grasu move outside and seal the edge for LaMichael. This is simply not something that the Ducks were able to do the last two years.
The other position the Ducks must fill is the guard, and that is currently being held by Ramsen Golpashin, and I'll be honest, the thought of a former walk-on starting against LSU does not make me thrilled.
However, he'll no doubt be pushed by the backups, Ryan Clanton, Nick Cody, Hamani Stevens, and Everett Benyard III.
Overall, for 2011, I expect more of the same from the Oregon offensive line. With Steve Greatwood in charge, the Ducks will always be in great shape. They should be more athletic along the line, which could pay some great dividends as the year continues.
Will the Ducks be able to handle elite defensive lines? By the end of the year, that's a real possibility. They will be a more athletic line, and that should help them open even more holes for Oregon's running backs. Unfortunately, they open the game against a very talented LSU line, which will be their toughest test of the regular season. Oregon's line will not be dominant in that game, but they can give Darron Thomas and LaMichael James a chance to succeed. But there's nothing like getting thrown into the fire early. We should know fairly quickly just how good this offensive line can be.
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Last year, Oregon become the Adam Dunn of rushing offenses. They either hit the home run, or struck out.
Well, to be fair, I think the line’s success rate was a little better than .165.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 10, 2011 10:20 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
ahem…
In all seriousness, good write up, and I agree.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Aug 10, 2011 10:20 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks for this breakdown...
I agree with you as well, in that this year will likely be more of the same from the o-line. We are still two years away from potentially the most athletically-talented line Oregon will have ever fielded.
I would argue, however, that some of the 2009 vs. 2010 numbers are skewed by the quarterback at the helm. Though I would always choose 2010 Thomas over 2009 Masoli to lead the team; Masoli, having the benefit of an extra year in the system, had much greater command of the zone read offense, and was a more willing runner (both on designed read plays and scrambling). I recognize that the coaches held Thomas back at times last year, and I think we will see improvement in this area this year, but Masoli was such a running threat for which defenses needed to account, making it easier on the line and runningbacks.
That being said, I don’t think it negates your premise, and I do hope the stretch play is used more frequently (along with the ace formations). Thanks for the nice analysis!
While Masoli may have been a better scrambler, I don’t think that necessarily helped the rushing stats all that much. He was not able to go through progressions like Thomas was, and DT’s skill at getting rid of the ball under pressure made the offensive line stats look very good in terms of pass protection.
Also, while Masoli had skills on the ground, Thomas had skills passing that forced defenses to adjust. I think you make a good point, but I think that effect on the line play was fairly marginal.
If I were to pin the 2009 to 2010 discrepancies on one thing, it’s that Oregon faced only one truly elite defense after the start of Pac-10 play, and that was Ohio State. Let’s face it, the Pac-10 is not known for their defensive line play. Oregon has feasted on that in recent years.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
That '08 oline blew open holes a semi could drive through...
we need that again.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
I recognize that the coaches held Thomas back at times last year,
Wasn’t this just wild fan speculation?
1. We rarely ever run QB designed runs.
2. Thomas almost always made the correct read.
3. Defenses are more willing to let the running back keep because it’s easier to contain if the QB hands it off than leave a huge gaping hole for the QB.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Thomas almost always made the correct read.
Yep. And yet, the one that sticks out the most is the bad one he made against Auburn. Dammit.
--Dave
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by David Piper on Aug 10, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah,
like a whole 50 minutes.
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And Cliff Harris was like, "VRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
by DuckUntilDeath on Aug 10, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The combination of some new wrinkles/sets and that big, fast D caused him some problems.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Aug 10, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought I noticed a change
in Thomas’ running after the Washington game when Costa got hurt. Maybe it’s my own wild speculation however.
ATQ's #1 Bill Musgrave fan
Curse you, Offseason.
He had the most rushing attempts out of any game the week after Washington and he had his best game rushing, statistically against Arizona.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Captain Obvious says:
You think it may be wild speculation, huh?
If I wanted any lip from you, I'd unzip your pants.
What happened to that thing
where you were going to agree with me due to the sheer awesomeness of the experience?
ATQ's #1 Bill Musgrave fan
Curse you, Offseason.
I have the memory of a goldfish.
OH SHIT THERE’S A CASTLE HERE?!?!
…
OH MY GOD, WHEN DID THAT CASTLE GET HERE?!?!
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
Definitely
Shu doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. His facts are meaningless in the face of our feelings.
ATQ's #1 Bill Musgrave fan
Curse you, Offseason.
As I recall,
DT even acknowledged that he and the coaches agreed to be more selective after Costa went down; though. you are correct in that the numbers support there be little change. And as jcgoducks noted below, making the right read is only part of mastering the zone read option (and I agree, he was largely correct in his decision-making). Again, I do not want to devalue 2010 Thomas. On the contrary, I want to point out that DT still has significant potential to improve even further in his running of this offense. That should be exciting…
by The Graduate on Aug 10, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Well argued...
I would certainly agree; and I can only imagine (and hope!) that Thomas’ progression as the operator of the zone read and as a passer with some speedy and athletic, if inexperienced, weapons will further strengthen these numbers.
Should be a reply to jtlight above
apologies.
by The Graduate on Aug 10, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
This year's oline...
has the potential to be better. Our interior should be York, Grasu, or Clanton/Cody (I see Golpashin rotating in as depth). That goes 292, 291 and 300/301. I think last year’s interior had problems staying just under 290, especially with Kaiser going vegetarian on us. Like you said as well, this group should allow us to run the stretch too.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
i think when the offensive line gets a guy that they can't handle one on one then they get in trouble
you have to start pulling blockers who would have gone to linebackers pursuing to double a dlineman. ohio state had cameron heyward and auburn had nick fairley. in my own defense to try and convince myself our o-line will do really well against lsu is that they are young, and they don’t have a guy on the d-line who needs to be doubled all the time. they are fast and big but not dominant.
and thanks for the link to my post. i appreciate it.
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Walk-on/Smalk-on ....who cares what their recruitment was
There are some NFL hall of famers who either were walk-ons in College or weren’t recruited highly and so went to a small college. Jerry Rice comes to mind…
If Golpashin can play effectively I could care less what is scholarship status is…
Clanton is running with the ones today...
at RG. He will take over – watch.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
I'm feeling pretty good about the prospects on the line.
Just a feeling. But the players apparently have come in with some extra heft and 2 are returning 2 full-time starters plus Weems started half the games last year.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Aug 10, 2011 11:26 AM PDT reply actions
I definitely agree with you.
Our o-lines have seemingly struggled against big d-lines for some time now. We got destroyed in the trenches against Ohio State’s big and fast d-line. Our o-line was reduced to resorting to mere cut blocks at the line against their line. We were pretty weak against Tennessee’s d-line for the first half of the game. We had trouble against ASU, Cal, and Auburn.
The only thing that seems a little abnormal is that we have had great success against USC’s big and talented d-line in 2009 and 2010.
I again agree with you in thinking that our o-line will get to the point where we can match all teams d-lines both athletically and in terms of size. Athletic giants such as Jake Fisher will surely help us get to that point in a few years.
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
Our O-Line's struggles against elite defensive lines...
are an indication of just how good of a coach we have in Steve Greatwood. Every coach knows that success in football is a combination of athleticism, skill and scheme. Our O-lines have been very skilled and had good (typically not great) athletic talent. When our line faces opponents that are equal to or lesser than in talent, they dominate with their superior technique and skills.
Every coach knows there’s a point where talent can simply overwhelm any gap in skill…and I feel certain this is why we’ve struggled more against those talented D-lines.
"It’s great with these group of guys. There is no panic in them." --Chip Kelly, Clearly NOT talking about members of ATQ.
@jblair26
Per Moseley,
Clanton with the one today at RG.
The ones today go:
Weems 302
York 292
Grasu 291
Clanton 300
Asper 302
This will be the first time in awhile (’08) that we will go over 300.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
This looks great.
Clanton is probably more naturally/athletically gifted than Golpashin. He also has a redshirt year of experience under his belt (no game experience though, yikes).
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
But our offensive line is fast but tiny!
All the experts say so!
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Aug 10, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions

























