My One Beef With "The Chip Kelly Era"
I just read something on Oregonlive that made my blood... reboil. Care to know what it is?
Let me take you back. It's the national championship, and it's fourth and goal from the two. Lamichael James is getting taped on the sideline and Kelly decides to run Barner for the do or die score, one which could have altered the outcome of the game.
Auburn gets the goal-line stand and makes the stop. Meanwhile the 205lb Remene Alston, who averaged 5 yards/carry over his career, stood on the sideline. Why, because he was the #3 back and the #2 back was good to go.
205lbs might not sound that hefty, until you consider Remene Alston is 5'8". Frankly, he was a bigger version of that Rodgers kid who played just north of us. In my humble opinion, Remene would have got us that score, but he was never given that opportunity because Kelly values rank over utility.
So when I read up on today's practice report, naturally it all came back to me.
In the meantime, Carson and Thomas appear to be pushing for playing time.
“Me and Kenjon are helping those guys out to the best of our abilities,” James said. “Tra has phenomenal moves for a big guy. I think he can play right now. He’s a big kid. And De’Anthony is really fast, quick.”
It’s the kind of thunder-and-lightning combination Campbell loves. The Ducks didn’t have a power back for short-yardage situations last year. -Ken Goe
What Mr. Goe fails to see, other than we had Remene last year, is that thunder and lightning was a Mike Bellotti thing, not a Chip Kelly thing. Consider that once Blount was reinstated he was not used in a similar fashion. Kelly had the perfect thunder and lightning combination going into the ASU game and he chose not to use him until he absolutely had to during the Civil War.
So what does all of this mean? It means that, while Carson is the big back that Oregon needs, he will probably red-shirt this year, usefulness be dammed. With Lamike, Barner, and DAT in the three deep, and with Seastrunk (who in my mind would make a better receiver at this point) having already used his red-shirt, I seriously doubt Carson sees the field this season. Regardless of how much Oregon needs a power back.
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I like you cpassmore, because you take opinions that generally aren't the groupthink at ATQ.
That being said, you’re wrong.
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by Takimoto on Aug 15, 2011 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
thanks
Some of the stuff I come up with I don’t even subscribe to (this is not one of those cases, however). I just like to come up with fresh angles, and as an aspiring attorney, I am trying to get used to arguing things I don’t actually believe lol.
by Cpassmore on Aug 16, 2011 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe we will be redshirting Carson as long as we can
but if we need a power back in a certain game or certain situation, we will use him. No doubt in my mind.
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i would rather have lmj every time over a true freshman in any situation.
yeah carson weighs 20 more pounds, but i believe lmj produces more force than anyone.
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Sounds like you are speaking as if you know more then Chip IMO.
Winning national championships on NCAA 2012 doesn’t qualify you to make decisions on an actuall NCAA football program, now if our program was in disarray I would understand your points more clearly. But look at Chip’s record. Thats the way coaches have been… for a long time. He is about as cutting edge as it gets, we all trust him to do the best for the team.
Frankly, he was a bigger version of that Rodgers kid who played just north of us.
This is just completely untrue. Rodgers was an All-American type of running back.
Get it done... Paul.
I don't mean to knock your theory but, Remene may have been 205 howeve,r....
His average of 5.7 yards per carry is still less than Barner or James. Heck, it is only .5 yards more per carry than Darron Thomas. If you wanted a Bruiser or something to go Goal Line I would suggest Michael Clay, I mean according to yards per carry his average was 64 yards per carry, plus he is 220, 5’ 11" now that I think about it, I ACTUALLY do like the idea of Michael Clay on the goal line.
"I used to play sports. Then I realized you can buy trophies. Now I'm good at everything." - Demetri Martin
I've been touting the idea of putting in a package for Lylerla/Clay/Lokombo for a goal line plunge
Carson’s been proving that he can handle the load if necessary though.
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All kidding aside
Lyerla could probably jump over a 20-man dogpile.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is "never practice slow football" – but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a DUCK when DEATH is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha…
And Cliff Harris was like, "VRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
by DuckUntilDeath on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point.....I'll bet that is one thing which they are indoors practicing today, cerealey
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
He has the hops
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is "never practice slow football" – but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a DUCK when DEATH is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha…
And Cliff Harris was like, "VRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
by DuckUntilDeath on Aug 18, 2011 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions
That stat right there
is the bomb. If I was Clay I would hope to be able to hold onto that stat just to tell my kids later on. You remember when Oregon was a rising team? I led that team in YPC!
and I was all like...BACK OFF MAN! Or I will go all Jordan Jefferson on you!
I get what your saying
I think approach is to put the best players on the field no matter the situation. You could also make the arguement that by putting Remene in that you aren’t as dangerous to the edges thus the defense could pack the middle more. As far as the partcular play you are talking about, Kenjon may have missed the read. He should probably should have gone to the outside. Or at least he may have had a better chance to the outside. Check out the video of the play. Instead Kenjon tried to run over 3-4 DLs and LBs. Also, LaMike was in, Chip was trying to use him as a decoy.
I also think that Chip has seen that in some situation it would be advantageous to have 2 TEs and have the QB under center. We saw this package in the spring game. He might consider using Colt as a power back on goal line situations (complete speculation on my part). I think most coaches are hesitant to put players lower down the depth chart in for critical situations. As far as Tra goes I think it would be hard to put a true freshman with little in game experience (under the assumption he is deep down the depth chart) and rely on him in a critical situation.
by black_and_yellow on Aug 16, 2011 12:50 AM PDT reply actions
You're simplifying things a bit
Our starting QB and two main backs work through their timing and exchanges hundreds of times, while a backup like The Gentlemen is going to have significantly less reps. In an offense that relies on timing and the threat of misdirection a botched handoff or mistake in the flow of the play could be a disaster. I think Chip Kelly is going to put the players on the field who have the best chance to execute the play he calls.
If we run goal line plays all year with Barner and James back there, and it worked, why would we suddenly try something different? I don’t think Chip called that play because he owed it to those players to get the ball. He called that play to try and win a football game. You could also look at the Auburn defensive line and think that a shifty, elusive back has a better chance to squeeze through a small hole or elude a tackle, than a big guy has the chance to barrel his way through Nick Fairley.
I believe we’ll see more guys rotate through the backfield this year, with less carries for LMJ and significantly more for the #3 and even #4 running backs. But it will all come down to how well they can execute the mesh with DT and how well they can run the play at the correct tempo. I would bet you ten Schrute Bucks that Chip would prefer to run a power play at perfect pace with a small back than just a little off with a big back.
I have to admit I idn't remember James being out there
Maybe I was thinking about another play. The fact, IMO, remains that Barner was the worst short yardage back in the three deep last year. Barner’s read looks basically right, York is beating him man and pushing him to the outside to open the whole in the middle. It looks more like the other lineman failed to win their 1 on 1’s.
But how about a fake hand-off to Barner and then a shuttle pass to James? He had the angle on one defender, and the other one got taken down with authority.
I disagree with your comments on just about every level
First, Remene Alston would not have scored. Yeah, he’s big, but he never showed any power in his running. As much as he put all his effort into the Oregon football team, he just wasn’t very good. He didn’t have great speed or power. He could have been the #2 when Barner went last year, but he wasn’t, because he didn’t earn that spot.
As for as this “Chip Kelly not being a power back guy” nonsense, you sure do have problems with selective reasoning. Blount did not play when he was reinstated because he wasn’t ready to play. He certainly played later, to the chagrin of Beaver fans (and maybe to the chagrin of Duck fans after the Rose Bowl)
Also, let’s take a giant step back for a little. Our offensive line played pretty poorly in the national championship game, and the Oregon offense was stopped in short yardage situations in some painfully memorable spots. But you really need to take in all the data before making these grand pronouncements. Oregon has been stellar in the red zone the last few seasons. Yes, their line didn’t do well against Auburn. But that doesn’t mean that there is some weakness in Chip. It means that the team didn’t execute, and they’ll come back, figure out what went wrong, and correct those mistakes.
The main thing to remember is that if your offensive line is letting opponents in the backfield, it won’t matter how big your back is, they won’t be scoring.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
You can also reference the '09 civil war.
Kelly said he put in Blount because he was the best back for the play they wanted to call.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-A-R-G-I-N-A-L-I-Z-E-D".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011
I read
“I just read something on Oregonlive” and stopped reading. Did I miss anything?
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by Quack Addict on Aug 16, 2011 9:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with
a previous posters comments about using Lache as a receiver. I would like to see him develop into more of a TZR role, ala KjB though. Granted he would have to learn all of those positions, but he does have some downfield running ability between the tackles and can be great given space. I think he has a lot of talent but would like to see him used along with other running backs in the roster.
Is your name Claire Voyant?
That’s exactly what was happening in yesterday’s practice!
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Apparently my name is Jinx Alot
since Lache is now tranferring out of Oregon.
and I was all like...BACK OFF MAN! Or I will go all Jordan Jefferson on you!
Turn in your Gorby Bucks, Mr. Alot.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I don't think it has to do with an established order.
Simply put, I believe CK puts the player(s) in that he feels will give the best chance of success.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Aug 19, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions
Hey, this is the AtQ Man.
Is this a golfing joke?
Simply put,
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Heh. I was being lazy.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Aug 20, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
And I was being a smart ass
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

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