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It's sad how the media doesn't take responsibility for turning on Lache Seastrunk

Having just read Canzano's piece on Seastrunk transferring, something struck me.  It's one of the most well written, sober and concurring pieces that a Duck fan has ever read about a player transferring.

This is all so true:

Young people do unpredictable things when faced with adversity. Seastrunk reportedly wanted to be closer to his grandmother. He wanted out. And in the end, as disappointing as it is, I can't blame him for that.     

This is exactly how I feel:

But don't turn on Seastrunk because he decided Oregon wasn't the right place for him. Not any more than you'd turn on the neighbor kid down the street who switched colleges or the family friend who changed careers.     

On Saturday, I thought about tweeting, "if anyone wants to blame or chastise a kid for transferring schools and trying to better their situation, they never really had that kid's best interest at heart in the first place."  But I didn't tweet it, because I never felt that sentiment from Duck fans.  It's the same thing I feel on National Signing Day when fans bad mouth, or berate high school kids for not choosing to sign with their favorite school.  As if some blogger, columnist or fan has insight and enough knowledge to know that their school is better for that kid. 

Call me when you're living in that kid's house for a year, wrestling and agonizing over this decision and being tugged in a multitude of directions by family, friends and everyone that gives a damn about only themselves.  Same thing goes for Seastrunk.  For that I commend Canzano for sticking up for him, and realizing the pain this decision had on him.

But in the end, Canzano once again is missing the point.

Star-divide

The Lyles-Seastrunk relationship at this point is nothing more than a media shit storm.  While Yahoo's orignial reports were expository, engaging and relevant, the media whirlwind that followed was nothing more than abhorrent.

Did we really need to know the exact details of the relationship between Lyles and Seastrunk's mother?  How do you think that little piece of "commentary" felt to Lache?  Especially considering the nature of the troubles between Lache and his mom that already existed.  What about the details of Lache's recruitment, which by all accounts was already a difficult and tormenting time for a teenager.  Did the media need to scrutinize, analyze and obfuscate the most minute pieces of this kid's most tumultuous period of his life?  Was he given or just shown an exclusive pair of Air Jordans?  Does it really matter?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not naive enough to think that Lache is nothing more than a piece of coal thrown into the media columnist fire that somehow keeps their archaic industry churning.  Lache's transfer gives them another reason to write 939 words and sell a couple more web-clicks.  For them, the more Lache's the better.  Keep shoveling these young innocents towards their ovens and they'll burn them up and smoke them out.  Unlike Cliff, they'll never say, "We smoked it all."  They need more teenagers making mistakes, gravitating to the wrong mentors, getting caught up in the wrong situations.  It's what they actually live on.  Seriously, these adults have paychecks that are driven by these types of stories, and yet somehow they're alright with this.  God, that just feels terrible.

So as a Duck fan, I wish Seastrunk the best.  I too am mournful of the fact that I'll never get to cheer and root for him to fight for a yard for the Green and Yellow, and I wish nothing but the best for him.  If other Duck fans feel like bashing or saying bad things about him, go ahead and walk a mile in his Air Jordans.  See what it feels like to have grown men want nothing more than to see you torn down for the benefit of their careers.  Find out what it feel like to have "columnists" criticize and question every aspect of your upbringing and life because it's what's good for them.

For the Canzano's of the world?  Shame on you.  You're what's wrong with college sports, not what's right.  You can claim to be "adding commentary" or doing your job as a "columnist" but you're as much of the problem if not more.  While fans might be upset because they care, pay their hard earn money and give a crap about their school, you make your living sucking the life and draining the enjoyment out of young athletes.  So when you transfer, I won't be as kind.  I won't care.  The sooner it comes the better.

At that point I'll still say to the Lache's of the world "good luck" and to you "good riddance."

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You made the twitterz mad, bro.
Prehmmr Matt Prehm
@DuckFootball good point.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Rob Moseley
DuckFootball Rob Moseley
@Prehmmr That dude has 47 followers. That’s 1,660 fewer than you.
12 minutes ago
Matt Prehm
Prehmmr Matt Prehm
Link me where the blasted him RT @mattdaddysblog sad how the media doesn’t take responsibility for turning on Seastrunk sbn.to/oW50iU

The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ

by axemen23 on Aug 20, 2011 10:10 PM PDT reply actions  

yawn

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The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Aug 20, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I swear, I'm trying to get him to sit down and do a 1v1 interview

I think a lot of people would be interested in “John Canzano in his own words” whether they’d admit it or not.

The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ

by axemen23 on Aug 20, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no interest. I read enough CV3000. Why people keep making JC the story is beyond me

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by dvieira on Aug 21, 2011 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm not sure that's such a good idea.

Canzano would have you twisted around like a pretzel. No offense, but the guy is an experienced professional and obfuscation is what he does.

Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Aug 21, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

man twitter sucks … i have no idea what that says, and/or who said what

by echo31 on Aug 21, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like Prehm is into dick-measuring contests.

That is apparently his way of gauging success. More is always better.

Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Aug 21, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I cannot even begin to imagine how annoyed and frustrated I would be if columnists were pouring over all the private details of my own life.

These days, papers simply cannot survive without sensation and intrusion. Sad but true.

Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Aug 20, 2011 10:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I cannot even begin to imagine how annoyed and frustrated I would be if columnists were pouring over all the private details of my own life.

That’s the real issue here. I feel like you went a tad over that Matt, which is why some guys might take offense. I can’t imagine having the national media poking prodding and pouring over my life for months on end as an 18/19 year old. It’d emotionally and mentally drain me.

The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ

by axemen23 on Aug 20, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duck fans and media are walking a fine line tonight. True that Lache’s transfer doesn’t hurt UO. Also hope he tears it up at BU. Noting that his transfer won’t hurt the team while also wishing him the best in the future aren’t mutually exclusive

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Aug 20, 2011 10:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm a member of a few premium sites as well as this unleaded one

I’ve been scouring message boards and tweets trying to find examples of Oregon fans bashing Seastrunk. I’m coming up empty — unless observations like “he didn’t seem to want to hit the holes hard enough” are considered matters of personal treason.

There have been numerous posts, both here and on the other sites, by those following fall practice, stating Lache was going to have lots of competition for the #3 RB spot. But nothing that I’d come close to interpreting as “turning” on Lache.

We have jerk fans — all teams do — but in my experience we’re pretty selective on the players we dump on. Masoli comes to mind (and lord knows we gave him a lot of rope).

I’m still looking, because I’d hate to think that a writer would just make up an observation to fit the angle of his column.

The "Beano Cook" of ATQ.

by benzduck on Aug 20, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Check that. Found *one*:
Chrisjensen85 Chris Jensen
 
Everyone’s freaking out about lache.. He hasn’t done ANYTHING! and we don’t need him #betteroff #goducks #wasteoftime
Chrisjensen85 Chris Jensen

 not blasting just speaking the truth,he hasnt done anything, I wish him the best,just saying were not losing anything

So, random nimrod on Twitter = “Oregon fans turning on Lache”. I get it now.

The "Beano Cook" of ATQ.

by benzduck on Aug 20, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

But yet a paid media member, father, and grown man

gets to pry delve into and pick apart every aspect of a young kid’s life and god forbid if some putz blogger calls them out on it. They’re just doing their job and the putz only has 47 followers, so who gives a shit.

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Aug 20, 2011 11:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tannen called you a Putz.

I have yet to see Moseley or Prehm call you any names. Someone on twitter probably will though, give it time.

The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ

by axemen23 on Aug 20, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I call myself putz

Calling names is easy to deal with because it shows the messenger isn’t intelligent. Questioning someones validity, especially based on number of followers, is an “I’m bigger and you’re smaller” or “I’m important and you’re not” argument or class warfare type conversation that the media was created to combat in the first place.

What did Larry Scott say about irony and hypocrisy?

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Aug 20, 2011 11:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I chuckly every time I see a reference to the Tannen donnybrook.

Why? His outrage over Matt not using his real name. Well done, Steve TANNENBERG.

Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Aug 21, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Moseley

but the idea that you shouldn’t be acknowledged because you only have 47 followers really struck me the wrong way. Came across as elitist. Our discourse shouldn’t be determined by the number of followers someone has, but by the content of the message they are spreading.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Aug 20, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Granted some of you might jump on me for this

but I’m going to defend Moseley for a minute. He’s got a right to get ticked at Matt pointing a revolving wheel of fingers at the media, when many of the local-ish types didn’t throw any barbs at Seastrunk+Family, IMO.

The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ

by axemen23 on Aug 20, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Show me in my article where I said the media threw barbs at Seastrunk?

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Aug 20, 2011 11:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did we really need to know the exact details of the relationship between Lyles and Seastrunk’s mother? How do you think that little piece of “commentary” felt to Lache? Especially considering the nature of the troubles between Lache and his mom that already existed.

The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ

by axemen23 on Aug 20, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So the media didn’t do or ask that?

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Aug 20, 2011 11:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

C*nz*no’s story could have been improved if he’d just added one little, but significant, word:

“Some”.

As in, “It’s sad how some Oregon fans turned on Lache Seastrunk.”

Because that really is true, and sad. But he knew that leaving out a qualifier would push site traffic. Why else would he do it? He can’t possibly believe all Oregon fans turned on Lache.

The "Beano Cook" of ATQ.

by benzduck on Aug 20, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why are we asking so many questions?

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-A-R-G-I-N-A-L-I-Z-E-D".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011

by JShufelt on Aug 22, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why does Michigan suck?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 22, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

What if Huard doesn't go back to throw the ball?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 22, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Will he set, look, and throw toward the corner of the endzone?

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by Takimoto on Aug 22, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Will the Ducks have the ball?

Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!

by DamienS on Aug 23, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Down to the 35? The 40?

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-A-R-G-I-N-A-L-I-Z-E-D".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011

by JShufelt on Aug 23, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Will Kenny Wheaton score?

If I wanted any lip from you, I'd unzip your pants.

by 071903 on Aug 23, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Columnists?

Yes. Show me a columnist that didn’t. If the media gets to distinguish itself by brand (columnists and reporters) than I get to call out the ones that produce a shitty product.

Once again, I’ll never understand why thr good media sticks up for the bad.

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Aug 20, 2011 11:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Then call out columnists not the media

cause then you lump in the good guys like Moseley.

The "Bill Simmons" of ATQ

by axemen23 on Aug 20, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

For the Canzano’s of the world? Shame on you. You’re what’s wrong with college sports, not what’s right.

“commentary”

“columnists”

If saying “the media” in this article gets ANY media member’s panties in a bunch, then I think they need to re-examine their profession. I work in a field where if someone criticized the field, I’d never take it personally because I knew they weren’t talking about me. If they criticize the bad people in my field, I’d retweet and promote those people till I’m blue in the face and not stand up for them and say, “HEY you only have 18 followers your opinion doesn’t count!”

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Aug 20, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I used to talk with Rob...I don't any more. It was usually a greeting or share a piece of information but no more.

Rob didn’t stir Lache’s stew but he stuck up for Scrotum who repeatedly with the I KNOW ALL attitude and the
I KNOW WHAT’S BEST FOR THE UNIVERSE AS I SEE IT attitude. IMO, Moseley was blinded by something or someone as to how hurtful Scrotum’s offerings were received. I don’t click on Scrotum at all or on ‘he who shall not be named.’ NOT AT ALL.

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Aug 20, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait,

Who is this “scrotum” you speak of? Seriously, who?

Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Aug 21, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

The opinion writer for the RG whose name sounds something like Scrotum. Also scribbles drivel for SI

look it up on the RG sports page if you wish…

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Aug 21, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

the point is that Canzano wants to rail on fans who knock Seastrunk and hurt his feelings (and rightfully so), but its okay for the media to step all over him in the name of doing their job.

You can’t be concerned about one and not the other. I understand the media has a job to do. But be honest with yourself and your audience about how that affects people. Thats always been my biggest pet peeve about Canzano—that he walks all over people from his bully pulpit but refuses to acknowledge it.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Aug 20, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

As far as Moseley goes, the fact that he feels the need to be the lackey for every columnist in Oregon is rather ridiculous. He’s the last guy you’d ever want as an ombudsman.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Aug 21, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Word!

This guy makes money on the backs of students by creating more drama and gossip that an episode of TMZ. Just as Dave says, it’s then done with this air of sanctimonious bullshit like he’s doing this for the good of our nation vs his own self promotion.

Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!

by DamienS on Aug 21, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Meh. Cantzano got exactly what he wanted.

He’s many things; stupid isn’t one of ‘em. Choosing to write “Duck fans” rather than “SOME Duck fans” was absolutely deliberate. What bothers me is his "but I’m a COLUMNIST. That’s an OPINION" rubbish. If he’s going to deliberately inflame a group of people, he needs to have the sack to admit it.

Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Aug 21, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

What the hell is that all about?

I tried to understand the twitter conversation there, and it’s a bit confusing. Especially with how Moseley was saying the whole “number of followers” thing wasn’t a burn or whatever towards Matt.

I don’t see how it couldn’t be an attack on Matt.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-A-R-G-I-N-A-L-I-Z-E-D".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011

by JShufelt on Aug 21, 2011 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay. I think I figured it out.

First of all, twitter sucks.

@Prehmmr That dude has 47 followers. That’s 1,660 fewer than you.

Tweet

Second of all, Moseley did a poor job phrasing that response to Prehmmr. People see that tweet without context and it comes off very elitist. Even with some context, it can come off that way.

It took me a while to try and follow the tweets to understand, but it apparently it would only retweet to the 47 followers?

I still don’t understand. Twitter sucks.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-A-R-G-I-N-A-L-I-Z-E-D".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011

by JShufelt on Aug 21, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

"That dude"

is bad enough, the sentiment of the post is even worse. Losing respect for Moseley little by little. I like his reporting, he’s as unbiased as they come. But his whole white-knight-for-the-poor-besmirched-media thing is wearing thin.

And this tweet is just downright offensive.

Now with mustache guarantee!

by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 21, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite part is how he gets on me later

in the night for creating a straw man argument about not having proof that the prying into Seastrunk’s life by the media contributed to his transfer and then 30 minutes Schroeder writes an article asserting pretty much the same thing.

Oops

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by Matt Daddy on Aug 21, 2011 4:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He’s a media apologist, that is for sure.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-A-R-G-I-N-A-L-I-Z-E-D".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011

by JShufelt on Aug 21, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand what he was saying, even if it came off in a bad way.

To put it one way, he wouldn’t have made the comment had Prehmm responded directly to Matt. The message from Moseley was “if you disagree with something and think it’s an attack on you, why did you just open it up to your 1,600 followers by retweeting it.”

by Brian Floyd on Aug 21, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes sense, but he still phrased it very, very poorly.

I’ve read enough of Moseley’s stuff to know he can be a better and more thoughtful of a writer.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-A-R-G-I-N-A-L-I-Z-E-D".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011

by JShufelt on Aug 21, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the problem with tweets

They tend to get tossed off without a lot of thought.

The "Beano Cook" of ATQ.

by benzduck on Aug 24, 2011 3:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

more hits/followers doesn't mean better

some of the best writers and thinkers i know not many people know about or are in the mainstream. mostly because they not dumbed down enough

www.searchingforakilismith.com

by jcgoducks on Aug 21, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most Followed on Twitter

1.) Lady Gaga
2.) Justin Bieber
3.) Barack Obama
I’d stop at this bit of insanity but lets finish out the top 10 at least
4.) Katy Perry
5.) Kim Kardashian
6.) Britney Spears
7.) Shakira
8.) Taylorswift13 — (why 13?)
9.) Ashton Kutcher
10.) Ellen Degeneres

I wonder what Lady Gaga’s opinion is of Lache Seastrunk

by INducktrination on Aug 23, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think a few of us may need to be a little more honest with ourselves.

We had a few folk yesterday say “good riddance” and get rec’d for that. I will be the first to say that i usually am smarting off and posting silly crap, but at the end of the day, love of our school, respect for others (unless its making Puns and having Shufelt put a contract on my head) and support for the players and coaches are the line that I draw. If they cross it, fine let’s bitch, but in Lache case he is simply a young man, trying to succeed in his sport that just happened to be here at Oregon. If he was getting paid, if this were pro, sure maybe then, but he’s a student athlete, and there’s a reason why that put student first in that.

Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!

by DamienS on Aug 21, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

We had a few folk

Damn few. Show me more than one on AtQ, especially with a rec…..that’s a challenge to you.

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Aug 21, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was the one who said it...

And I don’t see how that’s a bad thing. I feel badly for Lache. What has happened since he got here is really shitty. And I always rooted for him. I really, honestly wanted him to do well. Not just be an elite player for the Ducks; but to find his place in this world and be happy and content. Contributing on the field is just a bonus. He had a great smile, and I always loved how he would respond with the “yes, sir” and “yes, ma’am” stuff. It makes him likeable. When kids choose to come to Oregon, I’m thrilled. I want them to have the same fun experience I had, and look back on it fondly.

HOWEVER, I say good riddance in relation to the disconnection from all the nonsense that came with him (not necessarily because of him, just with him). The way he started to mope, the way he handled himself during the championship game, the way he was so public about his emotions that made it further appear that he was coerced into attending Oregon – that stuff bothered me. Not to mention the circus that has followed him since he got here. In regards to disconnecting from that – yes, I say good riddance. We as fans don’t need it, the team doesn’t need it, the university doesn’t need it, and HE doesn’t ‘t need it. Perhaps “good riddance” is a bit harsh in nature; it’s more like “thank you fucking goodness this is over.” And that is strictly related to football.

In everything else, I have always had a good feeling about Lache. He seemed respectful and humble. I hope he’s happy at Baylor. And I think he will be, since he’s closer to home. I don’t even care about his football future anymore. I just want him to find a place and put all this shit behind him. Good riddance, that this is over for the program. But I hope he succeeds in whatever he does. I don’t root for people to fail. Nor do I laugh with pleasure when they do.

"We smoked it all."

by DuckIt on Aug 21, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even so, that is not the type of thing Clowny was referring to.

He was writing about those who turned around and said Lache was never any good to begin with.

Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Aug 21, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Guys of his profile are always at least “good” to begin with. Sometimes, sadly, they don’t develop or reach their full potential. While he may have perhaps been a bit overrated at 5 stars, you can’t argue that the guy was good. He finished his high school career with 4,127 yards and 52 touchdowns. That wasn’t by accident. He was good enough to SOMETHING right.

Say what you want about his lack of development and the possibility that he was overrated a bit by recruiting sites, but the kid could play. He just didn’t develop in our offense the way many thought he could. No fault of his own. It’s a combination of things. System, desire, coaching, etc. He’ll find his place somewhere. I hope he does, anyway.

"We smoked it all."

by DuckIt on Aug 21, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Duck It, and I agree the drama outside of this has just been such a downer that anything that helps it end is appreciated, so i can see where you are coming from.

Famous Duck, appreciate you not wanting to think we don’t own any of this, but as a fan site I think we do, and why ATQ is such a great place is that we care more about than just football. I think nearly every mod said the same thing, best of luck kid, hope it works out. So, these are still young students and as Matt stated, what makes us different is we give a rats ass about the consequences of what we say, even if it is all BS and just to one another. Vs ass clown who just cares about the headline.

Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!

by DamienS on Aug 21, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the sake of argument:

The world of college sports is, for better or for worse, a public one. The public scrutiny in our ever-expanding communications network is one of the trying aspects that come with the campus celebrity of being an NCAA athlete. This is magnified in the case of the immensely talented, which Lache Seastrunk is. Sports are a passion for billions of people around the world, and we feel and live through the athletes on the teams we root for. When we are disappointed, we have knee-jerk reactions that shouldn’t be fair in a real-world sense, but are real in the moment. The open forum of the Internet makes those reactions public, and adds pressure to a youth who is already dealing with enough as it is. As unfair as it may seem, it is the nature of the world we live in, and journalists do not get paid to sit around and be nice to everyone.

It is page views, retweets, and standing out in the crowd, and not eloquence and subjectivity, that drive journalism in the Internet age . When a story breaks, it is the job of the columnist to find the angle that makes his or her piece buzzworthy. In the newspaper era, sports fans had exactly one columnist to listen to. And it was up to that local sportswriter to deliver a piece that is both thought-provoking and all-encompassing. Today, the information overload is so heavy that the standouts are the ones that take extreme angles and stir up debate. Additionally, there are so many ways a story can be broken, whether it’s a message board rumor that has merit, or an 11-month Yahoo! sports exposé. So journalists must dig deeper than ever before to uncover something new. In doing so, they are shifting the line of impropriety into homes, into bedrooms, and into private and personal conversations. They are doing so to keep up with the progression of their field.

The stance that the media should shut their mouths and stay out of everyone’s business is a reactionary stance. It is unfortunate that Lache’s time in Eugene had to end the way it did. But the media is not the only issue. Blame can be placed everywhere from the fan who says they’d rather have Marcus Lattimore on signing day, up to the blogger who is trying to make a name for his or herself, to the state of media and social communication and our society’s need to abbreviate and reduce everything to a soundbyte, all the way to the NCAA’s cash cows reaping the benefits of the hard work of this country’s student-athletes.

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by Takimoto on Aug 20, 2011 11:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with Tako

We can’t put the genie back in the bottle, the world is what it is and it’s a world where journalists break news via Twitter, the same place that 13 year old girls go to talk about what they ate for lunch.

I believe the problem is guys like Canzano who take the story and make it personal, both about their subject and as a writer. An impartial journalist can write a personal side to a story, and a columnist can write his personal opinion on the goings on of a sports team. But the columnists are now going inside that person’s life, while at the same time using that access as a tool or weapon to sell their own agenda instead of the subject. The story of “Chip Kelly has done A, B, and C, what do you think it means?” is drowned out by “Chip Kelly is a terrible man, an awful coach, and his father smelt of elderberries. I site examples A, B, and C as proof that my opinion is fact.”

The Howard Stern’s of sports are not going to go away. There will always be someone looking to make a name for himself, or make a buck, by saying something stupid or controversial. There’s no such thing as bad publicity and these days having attention is considered success, even if the attention comes from everyone pointing and laughing at you, or just shaking their heads before they change the channel. The balance is the world of AtQ and similar sites, with a dash of Yahoo Sports and Rob Moseley out there to remind us that real journalism is endangered, not extinct. All we can do is offer a balance to the stuff we disagree with and do our best to avoid crossing the line, even as we watch others do so. Besides, once they start playing football games we won’t be talking about this garbage anyway.

by JonathanPDX on Aug 21, 2011 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we're looking at support between the

“Howard Sterns of sports” I think that has a great deal to do with what I believe to be the competition, real or imagined, that exists now between print style media and blogging sites such as this one. Us against them. Obviously print style media has embraced (albeit slowly) new media through a business model I don’t quite understand nor wish to, but I really think they don’t do it very well.

Not to knock the Oregon Media members who report writing and “commentate” on the Ducks. But the presentation and format are old and IMO dying. I get more insightful “commentary” from most SBN sites then I ever have from re-tooled Print media.

Anyway just my two cents and the longest thing I have ever written on this site. BTW I did click on Canzo’s story and did the required 10 min. of Rebecca Black’s seminal work “Friday” for penance.

8/17/2011, a day that shall live on inside every dream of triumph.

by Quack Patty on Aug 21, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, we CAN protest the Howard Sterns in our neighborhood.

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by Famous Duck on Aug 21, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

This was exactly my thought, HRD.

If you stop talking about him, he will be gone in no time folks.

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by Bill Musgrave on Aug 21, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can we ever stop feeding the Troll?

I think sadly we are in an abusive relationship, we hate each other, but one of us needs the other, while the other hates them but can’t let them go. I’ll be honest and say I have stuck up for Schroeder a few times, the stuff with his kid, new guy on the block, but I see him falling under Senator Palpatano’s long reach. Why I also see a difference with Mosley and Schroder is it feels local coverage and Op-Eds should generate comments and responses by us.

But if what your saying is, that if we really want to play a part in not feeding the troll, and see this guy fuck off back to CA, then a true boycott is what we need. Then I’ll sign off on that and never utter his assness’ name again, but just like a strike, its all or nothing and can we truly, honestly, never mention him again? (Genuine question not statement)

Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!

by DamienS on Aug 21, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I rec’d your post. I agree with you entirely, as a matter of fact. I’m just weary of it all. Just ready for some motherfucking football after another long stupid offseason, I suppose.

And I don’t imagine that us ignoring him truly makes him go away. I just wish we could talk about something that doesn’t piss us all off.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 21, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's why I didn't front page it

I buried it over here in the fanposts. This isn’t something I would promulgate as ATQ relevant, just me venting and being an ass (ok, maybe the movies were a little of that too… oh well).

I just think it’s funny how the tables have turned. The media and especially opinion media, is supposed to keep big corporations, universities, and government honest with their journalism for the benefit of the public and the fans. In the end we need people writing some of the things Canzano and Schroeder write (like this piece from Schroeder which is a really good one).

Yet now it’s the public and the fans keeping the media honest for the benefit of others.

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by Matt Daddy on Aug 21, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Buried my ass

You know we’re all bowl-scraping mirror-licking quack hoovers.

Now with mustache guarantee!

by HoodRiverDuck on Aug 21, 2011 10:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah, what a putz

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by jcgoducks on Aug 21, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Just ready for some motherfucking football after another long stupid offseason."

That should be written on granite and hung up, at this point I think I want a quiet off season next year as much as a Pac 12 crown.

Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!

by DamienS on Aug 21, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

i wish UW was good so we’d actually talk about them instead like they do us.

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by NEP on Aug 21, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, many of us lived through that era

It’s not nearly as much fun as you’d think.

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by benzduck on Aug 24, 2011 3:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Canzano's a Troll.

One of the purest media Trolls out there. And the thing about trolls is, you can’t really beat them by arguing with them.
You can’t win taking him on directly on his own turf – commenting on his schlock, calling into his show, etc, because he runs that show. He’ll always get the last word in, and turn what you say around to make you look like the ridiculous one. See his “U MAD??” responses to comments on that article – “Well congratulations to you on agreeing with me and being one of the good ones – unlike the MANY DUCK FANS WHO ARE MEAN-SPIRITED PRICKS.” (not a direct quote).
You can’t win arguing it in the other media, because they have that Ink-Stained Wall of Silence, where no matter how ridiculous or mean-spirited one “journalist” is, even the most high-integrity colleagues will have their back 100%.
You can win by ignoring it… and by win, I mean on your own personal scale, by not having to think about it or dwell on it. If enough people get on the same page and stop clicking/listening/reading his forums, then a bigger victory – that he would actually STFU – is theoretically possible. But in reality, it takes an enormous group effort that’s just never going to happen.
All that said, thanks for taking the time to craft a response. As someone who can’t help but consume media about my beloved Ducks, it gets hard dealing with the maelstrom of media that are unfair/inaccurate/illogical/sensational/mean-spirited/wrong. It’s been a hard offseason. When the rest of the media world seems to be, for whatever reason, taking out duck-bashing positions, it’s nice to be able to read cogent, well-written reminders that it is in fact them, not us (generally, and of course not always), who are being ridiculous.

by omb on Aug 21, 2011 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

this

Successful Troll Canzano is Successful.

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by RDreamer on Aug 21, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Canzano's biggest transgression is being a seriously fucking boring writer.

I mean, he’s just doing his job as a columnist/professional troll – stir the pot and get pageviews for a struggling & now-mediocre newspaper’s website. That’s what they pay him for and I’m guessing he’s the single biggest draw for the O-Live site… their dwindling advertising dollars would take a substantial hit without Canzano.

He’s got a formula that works and it pays the bills for both himself and the O.

But… his writing style is so deathly tedious, if he weren’t pushing readers’ buttons with his topics no one would get through the first half of any of those 3rd-grade reading level columns. They’re almost comically boring, just sort of this generic vanilla preachiness that would make your eyes glaze over if they weren’t already dilated by well-earned Ducks outrage. Dude is incapable of writing a single clever line, let alone an interesting and/or well-written article, IMO that’s the real insulting part.

by dulcamara on Aug 21, 2011 6:02 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

The challenge was accepted and met: One (1) detractor and one (1) rec.

If that the ‘degradation’ to which we must live, in ANY life, that need be acceptable. In short, I love AtQ that we are willing to challenge and accept challenge and our own responsibilities. And have ridiculous humor in the next post. You’re up Bill Ballgame.

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Aug 21, 2011 6:50 PM PDT reply actions  

BTW, I wonder if Clowncarpo is employed by the SEC. It'd be interesting to look at his bank records.

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Aug 21, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I take that back. My challenge was to find MORE than one.

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Aug 21, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shit. I was thinking about changing my name to Bill Ballgame. But apparently that name is taken.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-A-R-G-I-N-A-L-I-Z-E-D".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011

by JShufelt on Aug 21, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Though Big Balled Bill is still available.

Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!

by DamienS on Aug 23, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh my god… I’m laughing to hard…

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-M-A-R-G-I-N-A-L-I-Z-E-D".
"If Lache Seastrunk is the POTG against LSU, I will formally quit ATQ." - Axemen23 on 6/21/2011

by JShufelt on Aug 23, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Riddler strikes again.

I have no idea what this post is asking for. It seems like it might be referring to me and challenging me to do something, but in truth I don’t have a fucking clue what you are trying to say, or if it actually refers to me at all (I have heard of the real Musgrave referred to as Billy Ballgame) or someone else, or an imaginary unicorn like creature.

As such, so far I have done nothing as usual, please clarify if I am supposed to do the dishes or something.

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by Bill Musgrave on Aug 23, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

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