How We Go: Young receivers make a last case for a rotation spot against Missouri State
by David Piper on Sep 14, 2011 9:00 AM PDT
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I've been sitting here for twenty minutes wondering how I should do the preview for Missouri State. Should I tell you about their 3-4 defense? Maybe their pretty good (by FCS standards) secondary? Look for some kind of special matchup?
The truth is, none of that matters. Missouri State is going to get slaughtered. That will be true whether we run a zone read every play or a straight power blast. If we start Bryan Bennett and Tra Carson. If Chip Kelly decides to take a nap and let Mark Helfrich run the show. Its all irrelevant. The outcome is not in doubt.
That said, there are still interesting things to look for from the Oregon offense during the Missouri State game, things that could have implications for Oregon during the regular season.
First off, injuries. I don't want Josh Huff or Kenjon Barner anywhere near the field on Saturday. If Justin Hoffman is not 100%, I don't want him anywhere near the field, either.
Offensive Line:
This group played much, much better against Nevada, and I want them to absolutely dominate the Bears. There is no excuse not to. I want to see really big holes opened up. I want to see 5-6 runs of twenty yards or more, minimum. They haven't really gotten that great push yet. Its three games in, against a woefully overmatched opponent, its time to get that done.
Quarterbacks:
I want to see Darron Thomas have another game as efficient as the one against Nevada. I want a crisp half out of him with accurate passes and good reads, then I don't want to see him again. Let Bryan Bennett mop up. Give Dustin Haines a series for the hell of it.
Running Backs:
Honestly, we know what LaMichael James and, increasingly, what DeAnthony Thomas can do. Of course, I want them to have great games but, mainly, I don't want them to get hurt. Like DT, play them a half, then let Carson and Forde mop the game up.
Tight Ends:
Earth to David Paulson. He's one guy I haven't heard anything from this season. And while I know that he's a proven playmaker, it would still be nice to hear his name a few times on Saturday. The continued development of Colt Lyerla will also be key.
Wide Receivers:
This is the position that is most interesting to me. I doubt we'll see Huff play. I don't know Justin Hoffman's status, but he could be fighting for his job with Rasaan Vaughn (though both are probably comfortably in the rotation at this point). The job for the fifth receiver (and the last guy that has any chance to get any PT once the conference season starts) is the most interesting storyline on offense for me. Will Murphy has held that job the first two games, with some mixed results. Daryle Hawkins and Eric Dungy both had nice grabs against Nevada, but the sample size was really small. All three of those guys figure to get plenty of playing time. Can one of them take the opportunity and run with it?
Its not any more complicated than that. Don't get anybody hurt. Let the young guys get more experience. Try to figure out that last rotation spot or two. We get that done, with a lopsided score to boot, and the weekend is a success.
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Here's a riddle for you
How many dropped screen passes does Will Murphy have to drop before Dungy or Hawkins replaces him on the depth chart?
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I’ve kept my criticisms of Kelly and Crew pretty low for a while. Hell, any complaint I might have had, would have been pretty petty – and i likely would be wrong.
This is the one thing that I’m just left scratching my head wondering what the hell is going on. Hawkins is more proven than Murphy. Dungy made a difficult catch. I can’t see why Murphy is getting first half-reps at all. He can’t catch a bubble screen.
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I think the thing that frustrates me the most is
we need to get one of the younger guys (Lowe, Dungy, Sumler, Blackmon, Kelley) some serious reps with the first team, otherwise they’ll once again be inexperienced next year.
I just don’t understand it.
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I understand wanting to redshirt Sumler. That makes sense. Hell, even giving some of the new true freshmen a redshirt year is understandable.
Lowe? Dungy? Stanton?
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I always feel bad about being too critical
of individual players, but I’ve been having a hard time this week with both Murphy and Hoffman. Or rather I guess, like you, I am feeling VERY confused by CK’s choices. I mean, those are our two best options with Huff out? Really? God help us then.
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by daisyduck on Sep 14, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t mean to really rag on the players. But for a top 15 program, getting two walk-on-quality players non-cleanup playing time is not acceptable.
It’s one of those things where I have faith that Kelly and Co. know more about it than I do, and I have faith in that… but I still have a difficult time buying into them being our better options at WR.
Maybe our new wide-outs don’t know the plays yet? There has to be a simple reason, and I have a hard time believing that it’s skill related.
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Not to mention Golpashin
So 3 major offensive figures are walk-ons. Strange and not a good thing at all.
My guess is blocking
You don’t block, you don’t get the rock. Hoffman is a pretty big kid. Murphy? Don’t know. He caught a deep ball against Nevada though.
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I maintain that blocking is as equally important as being able to catch the ball.
If not, then we are putting TOO much emphasis on blocking.
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Last year we heard a lot about
how the ability of the WR’s to block was key to the success of the running attack. I don’t think you can put too much emphasis on blocking.
Although there have clearly been some struggles, I’m just guessing that Hoffman (particularly) and Murphy are in there because they have proven to be the best blockers at this point in time.
I would venture to guess, that because the WR’s aren’t the best/fastest “catchers” of the ball yet, and because we have a lot of other receivers (namely DAT out of the backfield, Barner in the TAZR, and Paulson/Lyerla) the emphasis is put on blocking.
How many wheel routes to the RB have we seen thus far this season? More than I can remember from last season. Really doing a lot to get the ball in our best playmakers hands who are the RB’s at this point. And that includes using them as receivers.
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I understand that completely.
I’m just saying that just because they can block well is a bad excuse to have them out there as WR.
Their blocking ability needs to be equally as competent as their receiving ability. Otherwise you might as well punt on 3rd and long.
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I agree with this....
It isn’t that important how well you can block if defenses don’t respect any deep threat of a passing game (or even deep crossing routes for that matter) and just stack the box.
by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on Sep 14, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That last sentence is giving away secrets Mike Riley might use on us.
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by Bill Musgrave on Sep 14, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think this will evolve over the season.
Right now, our best receivers (with Huff out) are the TE’s and RB’s, and TAZR’s.
Given CK’s desire to run the ball, I think its reasonable to trade some pass catching for blocking at the WR position.
BTW….Hawkins had that nice grab, but did anyone think he looked slow after the catch? He was run down pretty quickly.
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I agree. I’m just saying it is EQUALLY important.
If you put more emphasis on blocking, well… to be honest – that’s bad coaching. I don’t know what else to say. Stack the box, leave your corners on an island. it will be okay.
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They've been passable
(no pun intended)
They obviously aren’t the strength, but they have done okay. We were warned that the WR’s would be hard to replace and that is proving to be true.
My parents believed in me.
I think I have held an unpopular perception but it still hasn't changed.
I have yet to get on the Frost adoration bandwagon, I know Maehl was an amazing progression but how much was that just him, vs. how he was coached?
I said before the season that WR was a huge concern and I totally agree that if we are going to have a shot at the title, continuing to not be one dimensional will be key.
So, yes let’s get these other guys playing time, but not just for now, but next year when we will probably have a new QB, and new starting RB, (my fantasy of them in a senior season aside)
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Frost can recruit and his players are actually sticking around campus. We’ve been struggling to catch up on depth at WR and D-line in recent years because the previous position coaches did a horrendous job of getting recruits that could actually stay in school, if they even got to campus in the first place.
Both Frost and Azzinaro have done an excellent job coaching up the talent that is there. Frost will ultimately be judged by the class he brought in this year.
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He’s had ok success in recuiting, yes way better on getting a good fit for the school, and yes we had that position pretty screwed by the previous coch, but am still not sold that Scott is the best coach for that position.
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Btw I like Azz, how’s that?!
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Yes, coz i rate our coaches on how hot they look! ; )
If that’s the case CK’s sucks bad!
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Bring back Bellotti!!
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Sigh. I wish that was actually true...
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by lovemyducks81 on Sep 14, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
He just pulled in one of the best WR recruiting classes...
that I can remember. Also, it looks like Vaughn will be a gamer immediately.
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People forget...
we were expecting to get only 1 or 2 that were game ready from the start. Everybody is now in a panic that all of them aren’t suiting up in front of Hoffman and Murphy.
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I only asked for 1 or 2
Plus, I expect RFr to be able to beat out walk-ons with a full year under their belt in the system
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I’m not in a panic, I wasn’t drinking the Kool Aid on how good this crew would be, all I’m saying is that Frost is still a young coach and I think some of this rawness on the WR’s side has to be put on his shoulders.
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There's a reason that Nebraska didn't offer Frost the OC job last offseason
I’m not saying he’s bad coach (not in the slightest), I just agree that he is young and we have to see how some of his classes progress. I seriously question what he is telling CK about the receivers when Murphy and Hoffman are playing as much as they are.
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I am by no means ILMD, but your post makes me grumbly inside
Yes, he’s young, but maybe they knew he wouldn’t take it?
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by DuckUntilDeath on Sep 14, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Because Chip can't see how they're playing and he doesn't watch practice?
Sheesh, he should start doing that!
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by lovemyducks81 on Sep 14, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that Chip lets the position coaches handle their units
and garners advice on how guys are doing when he’s not watching (unless of course he’s omnipresent now).
I’m not saying he’s bad coach (not in the slightest),
Let’s not get our panties in a bunch. I’m saying, that obviously Frost sees something in Murphy and Hoffman (or even better yet, doesn’t see something in some of the younger guys) which is not translating onto the field. So I question, what is he seeing in those two that he’s telling CK, these are the guys we need to go with.
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Yeah, I have no idea how good of a coach he is and I understand your point.
I just don’t think Chip is a hands-off coach to the point where he wouldn’t overrule Frost if he felt differently about a player, and I think he knows the players well enough to make those decisions.
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by lovemyducks81 on Sep 14, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Except Hoffman is the worst receiver I’ve ever seen when it comes to being jammed at the line.
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Do we really need to relive some of our "greatest hits?"
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So, yes let’s get these other guys playing time, but not just for now, but next year when we will probably have a new QB, and new starting RB, (my fantasy of them in a senior season aside)
Darron Thomas is only a (redshirt) Junior this year. He’ll be back for his Sr season. If you are thinking he’ll go to the NFL…I mean, you never know what a kid will decide to do, but from everything I’ve seen he will not be a high draft choice this year so it’s more likely than not that he comes back for his Sr season.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 14, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Kind of a small sample size to base this on, isn't it?
“Can’t even catch a bubble screen” isn’t the same as “didn’t catch that one bubble screen.”
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Sep 14, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's a small sample size
I’m not being entirely reasonable either. But that’s an example of something that a receiver shouldn’t ever do. It was one of the best thrown passes, it hit him directly in the hands and there was no traffic. He literally had no reasonable excuse for that. And from what I’ve seen out of him this year – that’s what is more common than not. I believe he had a similar drop against New Mexico too – but that game was well in-hand and half the team were walkons at that time.
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Position within the WR group matters
We like to think of the wide receivers as interchangeable parts. This is not the case. In the Oregon offense, each receiver position has specifically designated roles.
Huff’s is the slot receiver role, where he also mixes it up with those RB formations. Rahsaan Vaughn has those plays down for the most part, and he is the primary backup there.
Tuinei holds down the No. 1 outside receiver spot (some programs call it the X). I’ll admit it’s a bit confusing to this point who his backup is; it looks like Hawkins, but we’ll know more on Saturday. Hawkins is versatile enough to take on all three roles but there’s something to that No. 1 role that the coaches must like.
Hoffman is playing the D.J. Davis role, which is thankless and heavy on downfield blocking. He is excellent at this, the best among the WRs, which is why he starts there. It’s interesting (and for me, exciting, as I’ve met Will Murphy and he’s a great guy) to see Will Murphy out there but it would indicate that the coaches trust his knowledge of the offense coupled with his consistent effort and technical abilities as a blocker.
Quite frankly, I’m surprised that Eric Dungy has not gotten more playing time; his hands have been excellent for two fall camps in a row and he seems to be able to make plays against his teammates. But the coaches know best on this one.
It’s also a bit unfair to point to WRs as the preeminent reason the LSU game was a loss. The fact is that Darron Thomas had several targets he did not have to look at before and that connection was fairly rusty, even with fall camp under their belts. No telling how guys will perform when the lights come on. Turnovers and penalties were reasons 1A and 1B why Oregon struggled through that game, and while a wonky passing game is on the list it should not be nearly as high as some fans (including commenters on this blog) believe.
by Freeing Ray Schafer on Sep 14, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You make very valid points.
That is true that there are different positions – heck – I was even saying the same thing earlier this year. A bit of oversight on my problems.
Hoffman is playing the D.J. Davis role, which is thankless and heavy on downfield blocking. He is excellent at this, the best among the WRs, which is why he starts there
Unfortunately, I don’t agree with this. He’s not excellent at it – at least not in the games I’ve seen so far. He has not held any blocks, he was getting over powered against Nevada – that’s if he even made the block to begin with (He completely whiffed on the block on the play he got injured).
Either way, thanks for the counterpoints.
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But Will Murphy is fast! There were like, two whole times in the Nevada game he had Nevada players beaten by at least a whole yard!
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According to GoDucks.com:
Clocked at 4.82 in the electronic 40-yard dash, tying for third at his position.
That’s like when Joseph Lieberman was celebrating by coming in a three-way-tie for 3rd place in New Hampshire.
Clocked 2.81 seconds to tie for the lead among receivers in the electronic 20-yard during winter conditioning.
So he was faster than… LT and Hoffman in the 20-yard? Wow.
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You know who else had the fastest 20 in the Winter?
My man from Elmira, WR Chad Delaney. He’s been tearing it up on the scout team, earning Spec. teams POY honors last season. I would really like to see him fight for the 5th spot, too. Hopefully he gets to see the field (and the ball) in some capacity this weekend.
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FWIW Hoffman was the one who butter-fingered one last week.
They’re trying to redshirt all 3 of the new guys for right now (though that may change later in the season). Murphy’s got burner speed.
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He got completely behind the secondary twice (while being covered, not on blown coverage
fool me once…
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That doesn't mean he has burner speed.
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Wow, TWICE?!?!? Well that settles it, Murphy obviously has burner speed.
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D1 is D1
IMO, if you can run PAST a fellow division one athlete of a similar athletic mold, when he’s got a 3-5 yard head start, that warrants notice.
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Tell you what
stand 3 yards in front of me facing me while I’m on a dead sprint… bet I run right past you. I’m a burner.
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Yeah, but you have hands of stone. How’s your blocking?
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Now we know why you drafted him.
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by Takimoto on Sep 14, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
1. Both the WR and DB start from a stationary position.
2. Fat chance. You’re an old man compared to me. When I’m your age, you’ll be Benzduck!
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Ones goes straight, the other back peddles.
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There's also angles, reads, misdirection
zones, help over the top, and a million other things that contribute to a guy “completely behind the secondary.”
Oh what am I saying, Murphy obviously is a burner.
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I guarantee I can blanket your ass
…that came out wrong.
Screw it.
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Umm... no.
That’s not how it works.
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It was also against Nevada
That won’t be happening against pac 10 defenses nearly as easily
by NICKPAPAGEORGIOTHEDUCK on Sep 14, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Screw resting the minor injuries and screw the second string.
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I really really
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by SouthOfTheBorderDuck on Sep 14, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone in the stands
gets a Chalupa.
Both gold and muck come out of the same shaft...
by Fishdude on Sep 14, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am surprised that everyone is so critical of the receivers...
you do know the rotation will be LT, Huff, Hoffman and Vaughn. We haven’t used more than 4 man rotation the last 2 years under Chip. Barner and DAT will play a whole lot of slot and Paulson will split out. Vaughn is supposedly got “legit” 4.35 speed and we know Huff is a burner.
Btw, you have watched the secondaries in the Pac – 10, right? I am not worried about our passing game.
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Then why did Murphy get thrown (notice I didn't say caught)
a critical 3rd down pass against LSU?
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I was really drunk...
Fine. I eat my words.
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LSU does have by far...
the best secondary we face this season. I am looking at our schedule and it’s a really down year in the Pac for secondaries. UCLA looks decent and USC probably has the second best unit outside of ours. Anyway, I think if we can get an ugly 240 yards on LSU breaking in a brand new WR corp that we should do well.
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Doesn't matter how good your secondary is
if you can’t catch wide open screen passes.
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It was his first meaningful snaps in a big game (I think...)
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt (based on what, I don’t know). But if he drops another wide open screen, I’ll be getting my pitchfork!
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by Duckfanatic10 on Sep 14, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Hoffman can’t get separation from the line, doesn’t get open, and gets hurt when he tries (and fails) to block.
Murphy has been in key moments of the game, and can’t catch our easiest of passes.
That’s why ‘everyone’ is being critical.
I have no problems with LT, Huff or Vaughn. Vaughn looks like he could be add a lot.
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Vaughn would look really good if he had some receivers out there with him that weren’t whiffing blocks.
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Exactly this
I am very optimistic about Vaughn. I am very concerned that Hoffman and Murphy are evidently our best options after him, Huff and LT.
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With Barner coming back...
DAT and him will play slot, Paulson will split out, and we got Vaughn, Huff and LT. The other guys can’t do much worse.
You also gotta think that Hawkins and Dungy will command more snaps as the season goes along. Hey, at least they aren’t walk-on white dudes. Can I get a “that’s racist” gif?
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And hopefully we'll see more Lyerla
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by Duckfanatic10 on Sep 14, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You are blowing this out of proportion...
Hoffman and Murphy have done some nice things.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
I've given key examples. I've watched the LSU game 3 times and the Nevada game 2 times.
They haven’t even been average. That isn’t to be insulting to them. It’s just a matter that they have been notably poor in our two games this year. They are walk-on talent and went completely absent by recruiters in high school and it shows why.
What nice things have they done?
Hoffman has been a hard worker, and he’s put a lot of effort in at practice. It’s commendable – even if it is “lunch pail”-esque. Unfortunately, hard work isn’t enough for a top tier program. He doesn’t have a very high ceiling.
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For what it's worth...
I expect Hoffman and Murphy to lose playing time. Hawkins and Dungy are relatively new and will get more snaps. However, I do trust this coaching staff. They have merited my trust. Murphy seemed to get behind Nevada’s defense but was grabbed once and the ball was thrown poorly the other time.
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I don't think either Shu or I are saying
that we don’t trust the coaching staff. I unequivocally trust CK. Personally I am saying that I have yet to see what CK and Frost must be seeing in practice, so it is surprising to see them play this much. I don’t think it is disputable that so far they have have not been particularly productive during the games.
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It took some time to settle on Roper...
when our qb’s were going down like flies. Kempt, for whatever reason, looked better in practice. The staff will have this sorted out by conference play. I would bet the rotation looks funny against an FCS team but it will work out fine by the time we play UA.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
Roper was good for a couple games
But we wouldn’t have been PAC 10 champs with him. It was for the best that he unfortunately got injured against Purdue.
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by Duckfanatic10 on Sep 14, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree...
Roper wasn’t a long term solution. However, we are talking about our twos, which will rarely be used come conference play. LT, Huff and Vaughn seems like a capable starting 3, if not excellent down the road. Throw in the fact that DAT and Barner will play in the slot and we have Paulson/Lyerla combo, we are really quibbling about minimal snaps.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
I like this BisonDuck!
The “easier” games are almost an extended practice (or practice in a game situation, if you will). The coaches already know who they can consistently depend on. We’re just working out the twos.
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And Cliff Harris was like, "VRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
by DuckUntilDeath on Sep 14, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Cal fans are right, then.
We’re heartless miscreants who do nothing but root for injuries.
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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Kempt got broken in half
after a dismal performance
I disagree
They have both been slow, significantly out of position and haven’t shown the necessary blocking skills.
I’m not saying they haven’t done ANYTHING good, but they have not been as good as they need to be.
If they both kick ass this weekend – or more importantly – against Arizona, I will be very happy for both them and the team.
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Replay the last quarter of the Nevada game.
Dungy at wideout, just keep your eye on him. He got one ball thrown to him, sort of, and he made a spectacular catch.
I watched him during the game and he got open almost every play. Hopefully the coaches will see the film and give him
more opportunities soon.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
One thing I'd like to mention:
we’ve played two games. One game we got ourselves in a whole and the other we completely dominated. Let’s get into conference play with our horses and reserve judgement. I am somewhat pollyannish, so take it for what it’s worth. I think we will have a very capable WR corp with exceptionally capable playmakers to make it all work. Huff, Vaughn, LT will eventually be better than what we had last year. Huff has to get his ankle better and Vaughn will need some experience but the pieces are there.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
*in a hole.
"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday
Dungy should get ahead of Hoffman eventually
I think Murphy will as well…he’s got speed and knows the offense more than the true frosh. Hell, Even Jwill dropped a few balls.
Journalism allows almost anyone to direct questions they would never ask of their own friends at random people. --Chuck Klosterman
I was kind of excited when I saw the trailer for the movie "50/50"
Still excited even though it isn’t a movie about JWill…
It is my understanding that there is not an official ATQ tailgate to this year. But I’d be more than glad to meet up with folks at some location.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-I-M-P-A-T-I-E-N-T".
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Boooo-
Urns.
We’re (my brother and I) a mobile, self contained, adaptable tailgate. We can meet anywheres.
My parents believed in me.
Hopefully the D figures out how the stop the run and makes the WR issues a little less glaring. Weird circumstances that have led to the current depth chart. Guys we though might be playing meaningful roles this year:
T. Gaines, D. Jackson, G. Embry, B. Cantu, maybe even C. Harper.
I opened Google Plus and it said "Write a note." So I wrote: Eb. Nothing happened.
We’ve had a very unfortunate string of WRs leave the program (Though most of them for good reasons) the last few years.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-I-M-P-A-T-I-E-N-T".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
He's at the same JC I went to:
Diablo Valley College
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And Cliff Harris was like, "VRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
by DuckUntilDeath on Sep 15, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see one area of concern listed that's much more pressing:
Oregon is not getting any push off the defensive line. Four sacks in two games is okay given the competition but unacceptable for the talent level on the team. The fact is that whoever is in at DT has been merely adequate, not making the plays that Brandon Bair and Zac Clark had last season. Terrell Turner and blitzing LBs have been a step slower compared to last year. Dion Jordan has not used his length to his advantage.
I have to imagine that Jerry Azzinaro has been pulling out whatever hair he has left when he reviews tape. The defensive performance has been promising to date but it could certainly stand to improve as Pac-12 season nears and it starts with his unit rounding into form.
by Freeing Ray Schafer on Sep 14, 2011 9:34 PM PDT reply actions
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