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There are a lot of high school football players in Texas.

Yes, I know, thank you Captain Obvious.

But have you ever considered how many is "a lot?" And do you know how many of them stay home for college?

I ran the numbers.  

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103 of 112 players on the University of Texas 2011 football roster graduated from high school in Texas.

That's 92%. 

That's a lot. Here's the home-state saturation for all the FBS schools in Texas: (* - FBS AQ conference member)

  • Texas* 103 / 112,  92% from Texas
  • Baylor:*  108 / 118, 91.5% 
  • Texas A&M:* 106 / 120, 88.3%
  • Texas Tech:* 93 / 121, 76.8%
  • TCU: 91 / 117, 77.8%
  • Houston: 104 / 110, 90.9%
  • UTEP: 70 / 104, 67.3%
  • SMU: 78 / 115, 67.8%
  • North Texas: 83 / 102, 81.4%
  • Rice: 82 / 98, 83.6%
Kind of astounding when you look at it like this. There are enough football players coming out of HS in Texas to virtually fill ten FBS rosters.  82% of the FBS players in Texas are from Texas. And that doesn't count players like LaMichael James, Darron Thomas, Tra Carson, Lache Seastrunk, et al, who somehow escaped from the island.

But wait. Florida is generally considered the #2 "pipeline" state. Should be a similar situation, right? Hmm. Here's where the Florida FBS schools get their kids:

  • Florida:*  75 / 101, 74.8% from FL
  • Florida St:* 87 / 123, 70.7%
  • Miami FL:*  71 / 109, 65.7%
  • South Fla:* 100 / 114. 87.7%
  • Central Fla: 64 / 97,   65%
  • Florida Intl: 83 / 102, 81.4%
  • Florida Atl: 103 / 113, 91.2%

Overall, roughly 77% of FBS players in Florida are from Florida. That's 5% less than Texas -- statistically significant.

Moreover, the marquee programs -- Florida, FSU and Miami -- are on average about 70% Florida kids. The smaller "directional" schools average 81% (UCF is an outlier).  It's the opposite in Texas -- the four FCS AQ member school rosters are 87% Texas kids; the other six schools average 77%. (Houston is an outlier here.) (To be fair, El Paso isn't exactly "Texas.")

Elsewhere?

  • Penn State: 52 / 114, 45.6% from PA
  • Oklahoma: 33 / 114, 29.2% from OK
    • (57 from Texas, 50.3% -- it seems Mack Brown's issue might be with Stoops)
  • Illinois: 50 / 114, 45.1% from IL
  • Ohio State: 76 / 116, 65.5% from OH
  • Syracuse: 33 / 103, 32.0% from NY

Closer to home:

  • uw, 45 / 103, 43.6% from that void between the Columbia and Canada
  • Wazzu, 49 / 119, 41.2% that uw didn't want
  • Oregon: 22 / 107, 20.6% from OR
  • OAC, 29 / 117, 24.8% from OR
  • Stanford, 41 / 110, 37.3% from CA
  • Cal, 66 / 111, 59.5% from CA
  • UCLA, 92 / 114, 80.7% from CA
  • USC, 87 / 116, 75% from CA

You get the point. Unlike schools in less populated states, forced to recruit outside their borders for quality student athletes, most of the Texas high school players getting FBS offers wind up playing football in college in Texas.  As top dog, Mack Brown generally gets the pick of the litter, it's always been like that, sort of like that program up in Seattle gets first dibs on the players from that state. And that's fine -- to the extent that this condition can be maintained without artificial support through isolationist regulation, legislation or unfair competitive practices.

What UT sympathizers don't want to accept is that the player supply situation is similar in Florida. HS football in Florida may not be as iconic as in Texas, but it's a populous state, and there are a lot of good players coming out of FL. And yet, players seem to be more willing to leave the Sunshine State than the State of Big Hats. Strangely, we don't hear the Florida coaches and fans bitching and moaning about carpetbaggers and the Degradation of All that is Beautiful and True about Florida High School Football. (Maybe this is because the state of Florida has somehow managed to pull in nine national championships over the last 40 years, without closing its borders... while Texas has managed one.)

As Balkanization of football recruiting goes the way of the VCR, and UT football is forced into a less regionally hidebound environment, the Texas schools will be forced onto a level playing field. Regardless of how much sway he holds over high school coaches, Mack Brown can only keep the kids on the farm so long. Eventually, these kids are going to see Paree ...  and I don't mean Paris TX. 

Diversification and broadening of opportunity isn't going to hurt high school football, or high school athletes, in Texas at all. It might, however, impact someone's job security.

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I’m honestly surprised that 20% of our team is from Oregon. Are you counting guys like BoLo, who played 2 years in Eugene, but was actually from Canada, and finished his HS career in BC?

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by axemen23 on Sep 19, 2011 10:54 PM PDT reply actions  

he's counting a lot of walk ons

Recruited scholarship players from Oregon:

Tyson Coleman, Colt Lyerla, James Euscher, Taylor Hart, Keanon Lowe, Curtis White

Thats six players, not terribly significant. However, there are a TON of walk ons. Off the top of my head, Haines, both Thompsons, McQuaw, Stewart, Pierson, Sanford, Musgrove, Hoffman, Murphy, Voeller, Delaney, Butterfield. Its quite significant.

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by David Piper on Sep 19, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just going by the published roster at goducks.com

same for all the other schools. I figure our proportion of local walk-ons isn’t going to be significantly different from any other school. And I wouldn’t want to have to go through every roster for all those other teams and figure out who’s roster filler and who isn’t. Feel free if that’s your thing.

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by benzduck on Sep 19, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I’m guessing that Texas doesn’t just have 6 scholarship players from their state.

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by axemen23 on Sep 19, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Six may not seem like much.

But considering Oregon is commanding a higher level of recruit than it used to, and that there are few elite recruits from the state, I think it’s a lot.

UO used to miss out on the few elite players that came out of the state. I’m thinking guys like Troy Polamalu and Ndamukong Suh. But the last couple classes have brought in guys that are both local and very talented.

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by CougarDuck on Sep 20, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's amazing to me

There are currently 15 five-star recruits on Oregon’s prospect list at scout.com. It hasn’t been long since we’d be lucky to have one or two of those, and generally only if they were local. And 27 four-stars.

Whether we get any of those fives, or many of the fours, is almost beside the point: They never used to even look at Oregon. Now they do. Maybe it is the uniforms.

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by benzduck on Sep 20, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

For what it’s worth, in 1955, 21 of Oregon’s 37 roster players (not counting JV) were from the state of Oregon.

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by benzduck on Sep 19, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've got a question for you

You’ve seen a lot of Oregon Football. Favorite NAME, and why?

Ex: Axel Mcquaw is my favorite name from 2011.

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by axemen23 on Sep 19, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wesley Mallard.

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by benzduck on Sep 19, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rocky Pamplin is a close second. Don’t ask why, it’s just a cool name.

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by benzduck on Sep 19, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like someone who's been a few back-alley brawls.

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by axemen23 on Sep 19, 2011 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just a what if on in state players

imagine if we landed Ndamukong Suh. I believe he would have played a year with Ngata :O Probably would have won a championship(two?). Oregon would be known as Defensive Tackle U, or “that West Coast SEC team.”

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by 420Phenom on Sep 20, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Suh and Ngata on the same team just isn’t fair to even think about. Nobody could do anything on offense.

Teams would be putting their star tackle at guard…

The remote possibility of Suh and Ngata even on the same team in the NFL isn’t fair.

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by JShufelt on Sep 20, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Suh and Fairley want a word.

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by axemen23 on Sep 20, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fairley =/= (yeah yeah, I dont know all of the fancy stuff to make that symbol) Ngata.

Ngata is definitely a different type of defensive tackle. If you paired them with even an average 3-4 DE on the other side, it would be insane. A Luis Castillo(a marginally above average 3-4 DE)/Haloti Ngata/Ndumakdweionfkoaefbn Suh d-line would be nuts. Teams would have to resort to throwing the ball 80 times a game. They would make any linebacking corps look fantastic, even one with John Bacon as the centerfold.

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by CaDuck on Sep 20, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Teams would have to resort to throwing the ball 80 times a game.

Not just that, but they couldn’t do anything deep. It would have to be all west coast offense – which just do a 3-4 Cover 2 and well… good luck and godspeed.

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by JShufelt on Sep 20, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

As the old saying goes, don't fool around with, er,.., er… Texans like Texas. A lot.

Or something like that.

They use “Texas” as an adjective that means “good” for Pete’s sake and attach it to everything. Every building design involves planning for where the image of the flag, state shape, or Texas star, or some combination of all three go on the facade and/or in the lobby. Where the big one goes and then how to work in all the little ones.

As for football, you’ve all seen Friday Night Lights and know that people in towns go watch games as their cultural, gathering basis, regardless of whether they have kids involved or not, and you know they have high school stadiums that seat 10’s of thousands in some places. ’Tis a focus for many.

Kids leaving the state may change over time, but it will die hard, that seems a guarantee. “I love my state” and “I love my state’s football” are pretty ubiquitous.

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by Bill Musgrave on Sep 19, 2011 11:34 PM PDT reply actions  

As I understand it, the phrase “Don’t mess with Texas” originated as an internal request that Texans stop throwing litter all over their highways. True? If so, it’s cute the way they’ve appropriated it into a global RRRROWRRRRRARRRRRR.

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by benzduck on Sep 19, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Mack Brown:

Don’t be bitter, Don’t you litter!

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by axemen23 on Sep 19, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that is true, 1980's I think.

It was definitely an highway department slogan, and I don’t think they appropriated some traditional saying, I think the add campaign invented it… but I could be wrong.

Regardless, I have never seen so many ways to include the word, state symbol, star symbol, and flag in conversation and visual communication, anywhere. Got old on oh, day 3 or 4 here… several years ago now.

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by Bill Musgrave on Sep 19, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I went to high school in Concord, CA (Clayton Valley High School). "Don't Mess With Texas" was adopted as a slogan by the football team.

Yeah, I didn’t understand it, either.

Speaking of CVHS, what happened to Nick Cody? He’s not listed on the roster. Practice squad?

by DuckUntilDeath on Sep 20, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Per Moseley

Cody transferred to Northern Arizona at the end of fall camp.

by DuckUntilDeath on Sep 20, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

LaGrange isn't on Tejas.

It’s on Tres Hombres.

Tejas features the brilliant “El Diablo”, but overall it’s one of the groups more uneven efforts.

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by benzduck on Sep 20, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

this gets a rec just for this

Well the more you know, the more you BRRRRRVVVVVVVVVTTTTTTT….

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by Matt Daddy on Sep 21, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The one Texas high school football game I went to...

Had one of the top teams in the mid-size school division. It was ridiculous. Just among the seniors, as I recall, they had one guy going to UT, another to OU, another I think to Missouri, and another to La Tech. That was at least 4 seniors going to FCS schools from one school alone.

by eloomis20 on Sep 21, 2011 9:48 PM PDT reply actions  

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