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Why Chip Kelly Will Coach in the NFL

The end of the football season brings about so many things. There will be player changes with new recruits signing in the next couple of weeks, and you'll have guys leaving early to go to the NFL. We'll get to see and talk about spring practice, off season issues, NFL combines and NFL drafts. One thing that is inevitable is the changes regarding coaches. The Pac 12 has already experienced this with new head men at a quarter of its institutions.

These changes will happen in the NFL as well. Every year you see 6 to 8 and sometimes more head coaching changes in the NFL. There will always be demand for fresh new minds to populate one of the most exclusive careers in all of sports.

Conventional wisdom has recently been that college coaches just don't translate well to the pro game. The styles are different (ALL HAIL THE PRO SYSTEM OFFENSE) the personnel issues are different, the media are different, and college coaching is about recruiting. Whereas, pro coaching is more about X's and O's.

The proliferation of the spread offense in college football has had a two fold effect on the NFL. First, there are more athletes coming out of college with typical spread offense techniques and skill sets. Coaches that run a more traditional one-back or I-formation offense in the NFL are having to do more "coaching" regarding their system. A guy like Percy Harvin that played in a spread offense needs to learn all over again his route running, blocking schemes and playbook in Minnesota's one-back.

Second, the number of coaches that have traditional offensive experience are becoming fewer and further between. This means more regurgitation of the same coaches from one team to the other (I'm being serious when I tell you Mike Tice and Dirk Koetter are offensive coordinators in the NFL still).

These times are a changing.

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The first point has led some teams to start to adapt their styles. A few years ago it was revolutionary and "out-of-the-box" how Miami was successful running the Wildcat. Tony Sparano realized he had 2 great athletes in Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown and that he could be successful if he put both in the backfield and disguised who was carrying the ball off the snap. This took one of the worst rushing offenses in 2007 (#23 out of 32) to one of the top in the league (#11). Before 2010, a quarterback like Cam Newton that had never taken a snap from under center, and only played one year, would have been considered a risky high draft pick. So Carolina realizing they didn't have the coach that would fit a pick like him, fired John Fox and hired a fresh faced offensive coordinator in Rob Chudzinski to run the offense. Chudzinski took one of the slowest and worst offenses in the league to a top 10 offense in 2011 with Newton.

John Fox is now the head coach for the Denver Broncos whose starting quarterback is Tim Tebow.

The second point has led some owners to start to venture into the college coaching ranks to find competent coaches to run their pro style system. Pete Carroll made a splash jumping from a comfortable and well regarded position at USC to be the head coach for the Seattle Seahawks in 2010. In his first year he led them to a first place finish in the NFC West and a first round playoff win. Jim Harbaugh was hired away from Stanford to install his Power I offense for the San Francisco 49ers. The Niners ended up second overall in the NFC, have a first round bye in the playoffs, and are one of the favorites to make it to a Super Bowl.

NFL Owners are not dumb. These individuals did not become billionaires by ignoring what was going on around them. When you look at how the offenses are adapting to get more production, how the pool of coaches that run the "traditional" sets are aging and dwindling, and the experience and skill sets of the athletes coming into the workforce, it is easy to see that someday, somehow, one owner is going to look for the guy that can put all of this together to run his team.

That's why Chip Kelly will make the ideal candidate.

First of all, Chip Kelly is well regarded in the NFL ranks. Before Kelly came to Oregon he was offered a position by current NY Giants coach Tom Coughlin. It's no secret how Jon Gruden (a favorite and top of the list for almost any owner looking for a new coach) feels about Chip Kelly. He's been seen at multiple Oregon practices and was even quoted saying he'd hire Chip for his offensive coordinator if he ever went back into coaching. Do I need to mention Tony Dungy? If you're an NFL owner and want to know about Chip Kelly, would you call Tony Dungy (one of the most respected names among NFL front offices) to find out what he thinks? What do you think the father of one of Kelly's players is going to say?

Second of all, Chip is of the mold of some of the most successful NFL coaches. Let's use some words to describe the Patriots Bill Belichick. Abrasive. Tough. No nonsense. Uncompromising. Player's coach. Winner. What about the Steelers Mike Tomlin? Hard nosed. Stiff-necked. Strict. Hard working. Die-hard. Motivator. Hates losing. Go ahead and stop me when this doesn't sound like Chip Kelly. Anyone else seen the ungodly offensive numbers that Sean Payton and the New Orleans Saints are putting up this year? What about Mike Sherman's Green Bay Packers? These are some of the top offensive minds that diligently study the X's and O's of the NFL.

One of the things that has kept Oregon fans secure over the last couple of years regarding Kelly leaving was the thought that there was no way he'd leave Oregon for a rebuilding project. Why would Kelly leave Oregon, when a) there is no major BCS school near where he's from in New Hampshire, and b) he's done most of the heavy lifting already to get Oregon to the place that makes it easier for him to recruit his type of players and run his system. With the NFL he doesn't have either one of those problems. The NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts. He could change over an entire NFL roster of 53 players with little resistance within 2 to 3 years. Also, there are numerous teams in the Northeast that would make it very easy for Kelly to return home. New England, Philadelphia, New York, New Jersey, Buffalo, Baltimore, or Washington. There are also teams in the destination areas of San Diego, Miami, Tampa Bay, Dallas and the Bay area that anyone would want to move to for an increase in pay of 2-3 million a year.

Going to the NFL means that Kelly would get more time to focus on the X's and O's of the game. It would take him off the road of recruiting and put him in the film room where he's always seemed most comfortable. Coaching in the NFL would let Kelly test himself at the highest level. He'd be able to prove wrong the ultimate doubters about his type of football.

Finally, if Kelly goes to the NFL, he's got nothing to lose. Bobby Petrino flirted with the NFL and now he has a lifetime contract (well, not really) with the Arkansas Razorbacks. Nick Saban coached in the NFL before he realized that the big older guys weren't going to listen to the little angry elf. Hell, Mike Riley, Lane Kiffin, and Dennis Erickson were fired from the NFL and it didn't hurt any of them. Each one had a head coaching job in a BCS conference waiting for them when it ended.

I'm happy about what Kelly has done to put Oregon where it is today. When a coach revolutionizes the game and makes your program successful it is inevitable that people are going to look to hire him away. The thing that makes me secure that Kelly will stay at Oregon (at least for a while) is what type of person he is. He turned down TomCoughlin and the NY Giants. An offensive coordinator at New Hampshire turned down a coaching job for an NFL franchise, near his home town. Kelly is about more than just the next best thing. He's not in it for the bigger better deal. His last contract negotiation went on without anyone knowing. Everyone knew he was up for a new contract, but no one knew that he was actually negotiating it. Why? Because that's not what Kelly is about. He's about the guys in his locker room, the product on the field and the boys he's helping grow into men.

These are all great traits.

They are also very desirable traits. So don't be surprised to learn that others are courting or wishing for those same traits for their school or organization. Kelly hasn't been the guy to leave his job for a whim or paycheck, and he won't start now. If Kelly leaves, it will be because he knows he's moving into the position where he can do the most good, like he did at Oregon. That's something to be proud of that only reflects positive on Oregon and its program. Kelly won't leave Oregon until it is the best thing for him and the best thing for where he is going. If you truly appreciate Kelly, that is something you should want as well.

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Well, this is very possible.

I just hope, as all Duck fans do, that your wrong. I’d love to see Chip be a lifetime coach here. I’m aware of how rare that is in this day and age, but I think he’s the perfect fit here.

by RHSNEYES on Jan 11, 2012 9:22 AM PST reply actions  

I actually think there is very little chance of Chip being a long term coach here

He moves a lot, isn’t from the area and didn’t go through a “building the program” experience to tie him in, he is a hot coaching commodity and someone will give him an offer he can’t refuse. I would be pretty shocked if he left this off-season, but would also be surprised to see him here after 2015 or so.

by OregonNYC on Jan 11, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

How do you figure he moves a lot?

He was at New Hampshire for like 15 years.

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by daisyduck on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah… that’s kind of weird.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck

by JShufelt on Jan 11, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

He was at 5 schools in the last 20 years

and held like 9 or 10 positions, always moving up the food chain both in school and position. He is from NH, graduated from there which is why he spent 12 years there (and did leave, twice, once for John Hopkins, once for Oregon) , he isn’t from Oregon. Our school has become a top tier college program so I don’t see him jumping ship for almost any college HC position, but like the Putz article says, the NFL has more dollars, bigger challenges and better football players.

by OregonNYC on Jan 11, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

9-10 Positions? Do you know what that means? Jack squat.

5 schools in 20 years? How many jobs has the average person had in 20 years? Again, woopty-do..

So he started out his coaching career in Columbia, got a job offer at his alma mater, got offered a “better” position as a DC, didn’t like it, and went back to his alma mater until Oregon gave him a great offer.

That has no implication he “moves a lot”.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck

by JShufelt on Jan 11, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Stats can be manipulated easily

Bottom line is he’s been at 2 schools in the last 18 seasons:

1994-1996: New Hampshire RB coach
1997-1998: New Hampshire OL coach
1999-2006: New Hampshire Offensive Coordinator
2007-2008: Oregon Offensive Coordinator
2009-2011: Oregon Head Coach

You can go back further than 18 years to try to manipulate the stats to make it appear like he moves around more, but the bottom line is that he’s worked for 2 companies in the past 18 seasons.

by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 11, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I won’t be surprised if he leaves for the NFL but I’d be shocked if he left for another college because a) I think Mullens & Uncle Phil would make sure he’s happy & b) he moved his parents out here to Florence last year & they like it here a lot & he probably wouldn’t want to move them again

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by KJ Brophy on Jan 11, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I live in New England now and I think Eugene and the Oregon coast are pretty similiar

That being said I would rather be in Oregon because of the moderate weather. It is freaking cold here. I’d be more concerned with Kelly leaving if the Patriots needed a new Head Coach or he had ties to a Div 1 school. As it stands, I think he stays put for a while.

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by haveasoda on Jan 11, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I heard a rumor that his parents sold their house and moved back to the east coast.

Of course, it’s just a rumor, and even if true, doesn’t automatically imply that CK will follow them.

"You could almost imagine Ducks coach Chip Kelly walking to midfield among the bloodied Bruins and shouting in his best gladiator voice, 'Are you not entertained?'" - Ted Miller

by CougarDuck on Jan 11, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Heard it from a friend who

heard it from a friend who heard it from another you been messin’ aroun

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by benzduck on Jan 11, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't believe it.

Not for a meanut.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jan 11, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re under the gun so you take it on the run.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 11, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I bet that was the Twitter rumor.

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 11, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Anybody want a peanut and take it on the run

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
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by JShufelt on Jan 11, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

He's also building a very large house in Eugene

rumors cancel out.

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by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

By moving a lot you mean moved once?

Because that’s not a lot.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Columbia, NH, Johns Hopkins, NH, Oregon

DB Coach, LB Coach, RB, DC, RB, OL, OC, OC, HC positions.
He isn’t Dennis Erickson, but he is not Aliotti either. Chip is a driven guy, moves up the chain and succeeds.

by OregonNYC on Jan 11, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Aliotti

was Oregon, Oregon State, Chico State, Oregon, St Louis Rams, UCLA, Oregon. Asshole left us twice!

Coaches move pretty frequently. Chip stayed at New Hampshire for 13 straight years. I think Chip would have been perfectly happy being OC at UNH for the rest of his life. We convinced him to come here, someone may convince him to go elsewhere. I think the only reason he’ll ever go pro is to taste the challenge. But otherwise I think he’s here for a long time.

by INducktrination on Jan 11, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

He did say

That he’d have been happy to be the head coach in NH as his ultimate goal. Or some other D3 school. That was his goal, back in the day.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Welcome to the FUCKING OFF-SEASON!!!!!!

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 11, 2012 9:27 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I understand this won’t be a popular opinion, but I think that’s a great write-up, and I agree with it. I’ve been thinking for years that when Kelly eventually moves on, it will be to the NFL. It just seems like he would be in his element there, and I think there will eventually be demand for him, for the reasons mentioned in the post. I didn’t think he would be leaving anytime soon, but his continued success and the changing environment of the NFL may have accelerated the timeline.

What interests me most is how much longer Kelly stays and what the program looks like without him. Not surprisingly, other Duck fans never want to have this conversation with me. But I don’t think Kelly’s departure would be the end of the world by any means. This football program has a lot going for it and seems to have the structure in place to keep performing at a very high level through a coaching transition. We also have the resources to identify and hire another top-tier coach. (Do college programs have contingencies for when the coach leaves?) Chip is one of the absolute best at what he does, but the Oregon program is more than just him.

by jambo on Jan 11, 2012 9:27 AM PST reply actions  

suck up!

Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!

by gamedaytribe on Jan 11, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that Chip will eventually move on....

I don’t think it will be soon, however, as some are currently speculating. I would bet Chip feels he has some unfinished business here.

Besides, there is a big downside to coaching in the NFL, namely the ego’s of the players. It is much easier to foster a team/family atmosphere at the college level and that is something I believe CK really enjoys.

My parents believed in me.

by flyduckfly on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 AM PST reply actions  

This, specifically point #1.

I think Kelly’s situation is where he wants to be. Unless someone in the NFL dangles the “Head Coach” carrot in front of his face, I can’t see him going. He will make more money where he is than he would as an OC in the NFL.

Of course, all of this is based on a hypothetical.

And you’re (Matt Daddy) a putz for bringing this up. Mostly because it was well written and I had to Rec it, but didn’t want to based on the topic.

If I wanted any lip from you, I'd unzip your pants.

by 071903 on Jan 11, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's not forget with Carroll also-

that the guy was 7-9 last year, and 7-9 again this year. 1-1 in the playoffs. 15-19 is not exactly a wildly sucecssful start. If the team doesn’t take the next step and become a 10 win team next year he is on the hot seat. Can you imagine what would have had to happen for him to be on the hotseat at USC?

Harbaugh and Petey also both came to college football with a ton of NFL pedigree. Saban, Petrino, Spurrier, Riley, Brooks- all didn’t.

If CK wants to do it though- the opportunity will definitely present itself. Mike Riley got hired based ona 5-6 season he pulled off. Dennis Erickson coached in the league. Rich Brooks anyone? It’s not like this threshhold is all that high to get an opportunity.

by Duckfreak on Jan 11, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Sort of...

Saban- 1 year with the Houston Oilers as DB coach and 3 years with the Browns as D Cord.
Spurrier- Played 9 years in the NFL as a QB
Brooks- 2 years a position coach in the NFL
Petrino- 1 year as a position coach 1 year as DC in NFL

Chip- not sure if he has even been to a NFL game.

by DCDuck on Jan 11, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes but...

I think the complete lack of NFL experience, at any level, might be too much of a risk for an NFL owner.

by DCDuck on Jan 11, 2012 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

Another question to ask is

Would he leave to be a coordinator, or would it have to be a head coaching gig to lure him away?

My parents believed in me.

by flyduckfly on Jan 11, 2012 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

No way he leaves to be a coordinator.

He’d have to be head coach, and I also think it would have to be the right head coaching job too. For example, if Oakland offered him a job right now, I think he’d turn it down.

The Miami one really has me intrigued cause I think it’s pretty close to the right job for him. It may not be the right time, but let’s be honest, there are going to be plenty of open coaching jobs every year. One of them at one time will be the right one.

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Re-putz!!

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 11, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I would hate to see him go

but if he does, Miami would be my preference. Then I could keep cheering for his teams.

"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly

by Duckfanatic10 on Jan 11, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I could see him being Gruden's OC

Possibly. If the money was good enough (basically HC money). Gruden is a defense guy so they could compliment each other.

by ursula on Jan 11, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Gruden is a offense guy from the Holmgren coaching tree.

by Jayon on Jan 11, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Ironically

Gruden almost accepted Kelly’s offer to become his OC in college.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmm, I don’t think it was quite an “almost” more like I’m flattered and would love to learn your system, but, I’m still John Mofo Chucky Gruden.

For Oregon, King Kelly, and St Quack!

by DamienS on Jan 11, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Well..

The way Gruden told the story after the fact, he wanted to accept, but his wife wouldn’t let him.

Not sure how true that is.

by c_wraith on Jan 11, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

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"I was so eager to learn it, I almost took the job," said Gruden, who turned down a shot to become Kelly’s offensive coordinator to become an ESPN analyst. "My wife said, ‘Are you the craziest human being alive, you want to move to Oregon to learn an offense?’

"I said: ‘But Cindy, it’s the Oregon spread. It’s unbelievable.’ She didn’t see it from my point of view."

From NYTIMES article on the blur offense.

Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!

by gamedaytribe on Jan 11, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting, thanks.

I had always heard more or less what DamienS said.

Things like that.

by qrsouther on Jan 11, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think this is a gentlemen talking and showing respect to Chip. I recall, which I could be wrong, but that Gruden was not interested and I think that came out in an interview with Chip.

For Oregon, King Kelly, and St Quack!

by DamienS on Jan 11, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I used to think that, but I'm not 100% sure

What if the Carolina Panthers decided they are going to go all-in on the spread? What if the owner, the GM, the coach, and the entire organization decided they are going to be the team that decides they are going to trade and draft to build the best run-based spread offense anyone has ever seen? If they approached Chip and said, “we want to prove to the world that this thing can work in the NFL, and we want you to be the guy that does it…I know you hate $Cam Newton, but you have to admit he’s the best guinea pig for this experiment that’s come around in a long time. Jonathan Stewart is healthy and we’re going to trade for Dennis Dixon to be the backup. And you can decide who else we bring in to make sure we are built just the way you want.”

It’d be awfully hard to turn that down from a competitiveness standpoint. I certainly wouldn’t blame him for taking the opportunity to change the NFL forever and forever be mentioned every time a team successfully runs it like Walsh and the West Coast Offense.

by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 11, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

“And by the way, when we fail to make the playoffs for two years because you are provided with zero healthy defensive players we will promptly fire you and hire a 70 year old has-been whose specialty is the Power-I.”

by JonathanPDX on Jan 11, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m guessing Chip would like some assurances that wouldn’t happen. It would be very tempting though, especially if they gave you like a 5 year guaranteed contract. I mean, Carolina is already half way there!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 11, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I think there are several coaches who are fired ever year after assurances and guarantees in the off-season.

by JonathanPDX on Jan 11, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m aware. There are many college and pro head coaches that get fired each year too so I’m amazed he took our head coach job. Any other holes you’d like to poke, or just “he won’t take a job because he could get fired after a couple years”?

by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 11, 2012 7:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Chip has probably had the best three years of his career as a coach, both in paycheck and wins. He’s won the Rose Bowl and came up 3 points shy of hoisting the crystal football. He is also the king of Eugene for as long as he wants to be, can recruit at a very high level, and can get whatever the heck he asks for. If he wants camouflage suits or a solid gold disco ball in the practice facility or holographic referees at Autzen all he has to do is make a phone call. And the number is already on speed dial.

Would he give all that up for a chance to make a splash in the NFL? Maybe. But it’s also a conservative world where your window is pretty narrow most of the time, and sometimes you get fired for reasons totally outside of your control. Maybe he builds a system around Cam Newton, who tears his ACL in the 3rd game and the team goes 4-12. The next year he is still putting his pieces in place but a series of linebacker injuries lead to a defense that gives up 42 points a game, and after 2 years he’s out of a job before he even got to really run his system and acquire the players he wanted.

I’m not saying Chip would avoid the NFL because he might get fired in a couple of years. I’m saying he has a lot going for him right now, and his comparison is to being offensive coordinator at New Hampshire, not an assistant for the Jets or coaching at Alabama. Nick Saban or Lane Kiffin might think the NFL looks really attractive right now, but Chip’s football background is different from a lot of big-time coaches.

by JonathanPDX on Jan 12, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Based on my in depth psychological study of Chip Kelly I offer my opinion in this matter:

CK will jump to the NFL only after he wins a national championship, unless he doesn’t.

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by benzduck on Jan 11, 2012 9:46 AM PST reply actions  

Assuming he leaves eventually, who would take over?

What other coach out there could continue the momentum and offensive flair of Kelly? All the other big name coaches are entrenched in good jobs.

I could see Oregon being the one job that Chris Peterson leaves Boise for, but his style of offense is different. Dana Holgerson could do a lot with Kelly’s players and Oregon is a better job then West Virginia. There is also Scott Frost. He hasn’t proven himself at the next level, but I think he has potential and would love to hold on to him before some other school offers him an OC job. I hate to say it but I’m just not a Helfrich guy. He was mediocre at Colorado and Kelly pretty much runs the whole offense.

by NinjaDuck on Jan 11, 2012 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

Interesting question

I just realized that if CK does leave, Oregon will be in a position it has never been in before — a vacancy at a Destination Job Program. Think about it: CK was designated, as MB was kicked upstairs. We weren’t a DJP in 1995 when MB took over, and Brooks in turn got the job in 77 because hardly anyone else wanted it bad enough. Etc.

For most of my life I’ve heard of various UO coaches being mentioned as candidates for other college jobs. This time it would be the opposite.

/mind blown

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by benzduck on Jan 11, 2012 11:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This was along the same lines of a question I had for you

Oregon has had 3 head coaches in what like 35 years? What other programs in the Pac have that same type of stability? That’s one of the reasons I feel like CK will stay a while. Oregon is a stable place for it’s coaches. The only real position that has had much turnover has been the OC, and that’s only because a number of them went on to better jobs.

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

No one

Quite literally, no one has had that level of coaching stability in the Pac-12 or really anywhere. The only schools that come close were Florida State and Penn State. Cal is the closest in-conference.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

There was a time when teams didn't dump their head coaches with impunity

But for a couple of decades Pac head coach job security has been tenuous, to say the least.

Terry Donahue coached UCLA for 20 seasons, but that seat has been a revolving door since he left in ‘95. USC went almost three decades with only two coaches, McKay and Robby. That school up in Seattle went with two coaches for 36 years, from 1957 to 1992, and James only left after a sanction-inspired hissy fit, not because they didn’t want him. Dick Tomey was at AZ for 14 years but couldn’t survive back-to-back six-loss seasons. Kush at ASU? 22 years, and might still be there if he hadn’t punched that kid, or died.

You could, I guess, make a case for Mike Riley as a “stable” hire, if you ignore the Erickson blip and the fact that if he hadn’t lucked into a virtually perpetual contract a couple years back he might be gone already.

“Stable place for coaches” only applies so long as the coach — or more precisely, his successor — keeps winning. Everybody loved Bob Toledo at UCLA while he was winning ten games a year. The assumption at uw was that Lambright would just keep doing what he’d been doing under James forever. Ted Tollner would probably still be at USC if he could actually coach. Hell, Oregon was a “stable place for coaches” for 17 years under Casanova.

And it’s the same way here. Do you think the current fan base would tolerate, for example, three consecutive losing seasons under CK? Or even two?

That’s why coaches typically jump to whatever the next level is when there’s a good opportunity and their personal risk/reward ratio is favorable. They know it doesn’t take much to ruin a season, and once you have a bad year or two, for whatever reason, those job offers aren’t there. I don’t see anybody beating down Ron Zook’s door, for example, and Illinois won the B1G a couple of years ago.

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by benzduck on Jan 11, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

You sure know alot!

I’m glad you’re on our side.

"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly

by Duckfanatic10 on Jan 11, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

My mind is full of useless shit.

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by benzduck on Jan 11, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Better than hot air.

"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly

by Duckfanatic10 on Jan 11, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually can't disagree with a single thing you've said, MD.

However, I will still refer you to my previous calculated risk.

You putz.

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by ProbablyMonty on Jan 11, 2012 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

well written, thanks

by echo31 on Jan 11, 2012 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

It's OK Matt Daddy I still believe in you.

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by Canzano's_Dad on Jan 11, 2012 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

Suck up!

Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!

by gamedaytribe on Jan 11, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Suck Up!

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by QuackinAK on Jan 11, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I've said it multiple times...

Chip is a great leader. At the NFL level, that is such a huge part of being a good head coach. He seems to be able to strike the perfect balance between being enough of a disciplinarian that people know there will be repercussions for their actions, and being enough of a “players coach” that his act doesn’t wear thin and people don’t want to disappoint him. I think this is very important, especially at the NFL level where guys like Saban, Spurrier, Petrino, and more don’t succeed because the players aren’t “kids” and don’t want to be treated that way.

Obviously the spread offense label seems like it’s the biggest obstacle, but that seems like an obstacle to him getting an interview. I think that if he starts getting interviews and teams start doing their homework on Chip (i.e. calling Gruden/Dungy, talking to former players and assistant coaches, etc), it’s going to be tough to keep him here. The good news is we’ve established ourselves enough that we should be able to get a pretty good replacement.

Bottom line…don’t you ever leave us Chip, cuz I’d find you.

by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

This captured a lot of my thoughts on the issue.

There is a long list of skills that are necessary to be a successful head coach in the NFL – leader, motivator, instructor, great mind – and you really nailed the way that his particular style seems like a perfect fit in many many ways. It was a bit confusing reading reports to the tune of “NFL interested in Kelly because of his offense and Tebow’s success shows that can work.” Wanting to dabble in Chip’s offense is the last reason an NFL team should hire him. It would in fact be an incredibly stupid move, unless you can check off the boxes for all the organization, analytic and leadership skills that Kelly has. In addition to a lot of the things listed here, Chip’s very much a structure, control, attention to detail kind of guy. Part of the way he made over the whole program was to lock things down, put in rules and structure – basically give it more of a pro feel. Of all the coaches in CFB, Chip would probably be one of the least likely to get overwhelmed by the demands of coaching in the NFL.
And coming back to that “spread offense guy” issue, Chip’s a smart man. He knows football. All kinds of football. He kind of has to to go about coaching the way he has, and to innovate the way that he has. I’m sure there’s enough room in his brain to amend the style he’s installing, shift styles, or even move largely to a “traditional pro style” offense if that’s what’s necessary. If a team doesn’t think he’s smart enough to do that, why are they talking to him?

The biggest issue I would see is that Chip basically has no experience within an NFL organization. Carroll was an NFL guy before he went back. Harbaugh did all his coaching in college, but he had a long NFL career. Transitions don’t tend to work out too well between NFL and CFB, either way. Where it’s worked, prior experience in the field you’re moving to seems to be a big bonus. His skill set seems to translate well, but he’s more unknown, and if he stepped in there would be a bigger learning curve than there would be for a Carroll or Harbaugh who’s intimately familiar with that game, the organizations, the structure.

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by omb on Jan 11, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

And coming back to that "spread offense guy" issue, Chip’s a smart man. He knows football. All kinds of football. He kind of has to to go about coaching the way he has, and to innovate the way that he has. I’m sure there’s enough room in his brain to amend the style he’s installing, shift styles, or even move largely to a "traditional pro style" offense if that’s what’s necessary. If a team doesn’t think he’s smart enough to do that, why are they talking to him?

I’ve heard Chip talk about how he changes his offense to whatever it needs to be to score points. I recall him talking about why he first started using the spread in the first place, and I believe it was because he had no WRs at some point. But he’s said he doesn’t care how he scores, he’ll just take the personnel he has and run whatever plays give them the best shot at scoring, whether it’s spreading the other team out or lining up in the I and running power plays.

Thankfully for us, the NFL people are so pig-headed that Chip’s unlikely to get many, if any, interviews. All they see is “college offense coach”. I honestly think he’s be a really good NFL head coach, but I want him to stay right where he is. So keep right on thinking that, NFL GMs and owners!

by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 11, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Putz.

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by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 11:04 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Great post, MD.

Chip would fit in with the NFL so much better than Petrino or Saban. I could almost see him being Belichik’s sucessor though I am not aware of a connection between the two at this time. Possibly when Brady is retiring?

by ursula on Jan 11, 2012 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

suck up!

Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!

by gamedaytribe on Jan 11, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that an epithet or a request?

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 11, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

C'mon, Mann! The tough answer. (and, the survey said....?)

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 11, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Ultimately it comes down to what Chip wants

Even if it’s not this year – and even with rumors about Miami being interested – it ultimately comes down to what Kelly wants.

Here’s one point against him going to the NFL: head coaches in the NFL have to be some of the most risk-averse people ever. For job sanity, for media exposure, for all of that. Kelly likes innovating, and if you want to be innovative in the NFL you most often have to be a coordinator-level and not a head coach – with not a lot to lose in the process.

Here’s another: Kelly has never, not once, mentioned the NFL as something he wanted to do.

Here’s another: he very much appears to enjoy and appreciate the development of college students. We’ve seen this with Blount, with LMJ, with Alonso, with Harris. This sort of thing – being able to influence kid’s lives and make them better adults – goes out the window in the NFL.

And another: Kelly controls basically everything about the kids in college. Practice schedules, time to bed, whether the bed is made. These things are important to him – that kind of buy-in. And it’s much, much, MUCH harder to get that buyin in the NFL.

For a lot of those reasons I think that Kelly will be happier in college. That doesn’t mean he won’t go – he may want to try his luck in the NFL and see how it works. But it does mean that he won’t enjoy it as much.

And honestly, here’s the thing – right now Kelly is one of the best coaches in college, period. He’s only stated how much he wanted to be a head coach in college; why would he change that?

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 11:26 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with a lot of this. Here are a couple of points though:

For job sanity, for media exposure, for all of that. Kelly likes innovating

I think the NFL is moving that way, obviously slowly, like everything in the NFL, but moving that way. Look at the offenses now that weren’t “popular” 8-10 years ago. Peyton Manning’s no huddle. New England’s spread pass attack. Carolina’s down field wide open passing. New Orleans, Green Bay. There are plenty of teams that are “innovating” in the NFL and owners willing to put up with it, especially when it’s successful. I have no doubt that Kelly could do the same.

the development of college students…goes out the window in the NFL.

Not necessarily. It becomes more of a business than a relationship, but there is still personal development. Kelly instills his development to the kids through his football routines. Win the Day. Nervous comes from being unprepared. Control what is in front of you. Buy into the system. Those things are possible in the NFL, and you hear players talk about it all the time. Look at Alex Smith and the Niners, and how he feels about Jim Harbaugh. What about most of the players for New England. They have a connection with their coach. Granted it is on a different level, but not one that Kelly is incapable of creating.

Kelly controls basically everything about the kids in college

He’d have a much larger say over personnel in the NFL than in college. How happy do you think Kelly would be to have LMJ on a 5 year contract right now?

Lastly, I love your argument about him being happier in college. It reminds me of Coach K at Duke. He’s had the NBA dangled in front of him multiple times, and never left Duke. He’s set the school up for long term success where every great player has Duke as one of their schools of choice. I could see Kelly emulating that same thing at Oregon. That gives me hope he’ll be here long term.

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Part of his point about innovation was the risk-aversity. With the success of Belichick, you’re seeing a few more coaches willing to forgo the conventional wisdom and take risks with play-calling, going for it on 4th downs, eschewing FGs, etc. But Belichick is an established head coach who has earned that respect. Kelly would want to do all those things right from the beginning of his career. He’s always had a disdain for conventional wisdom (which is one of the reasons we all love him so much). But he’s going to be under increased scrutiny from everyone in the NFL, and if his shit doesn’t work (even if it’s because of bad luck or poor execution rather than flawed decision-making), he’ll get the boot quicker than he deserves.

I guess this goes back to your point about him going to right team. Whatever team he goes to is going to have to buy in to his philosophies 100% and make a commitment not to pull the plug after a year or two.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 11, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

The main reason Kelly does those "risky" things is because he's prepared. That wouldn't change in the NFL

Was it risky to onside kick against Stanford in 2010? No, because Kelly said he saw that side of the line leave early on tape. Prepared. Was is “risk adverse” that Kelly attempted a 45 yd FG in the Rose Bowl that same year?

I think this whole “risky” going for it mantra misses the point that Kelly does those things because a) he’s prepared for them and he knows what to do when the time comes up and b) he knows his team and what they can handle. Coaches don’t do a lot of that in the NFL because of either of those two points. Look at some teams in the NFL that have to run a hurry up and see what the preparation level is there (cough… Donovan McNabb… cough).

I have no doubt that Kelly could have his guys prepared and ready with waaaaaaay more practice time than the college kids ever get and much more control over personnel than he has now.

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you think professional athletes would buy into Chip's idiosyncratic practice style?

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by benzduck on Jan 11, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Not easily, no

Telling a bunch of 30 year olds that they need to bust their ass at practice for two hours straight, essentially running wind sprints while executing? That would be a tough, tough sell. It was a tough sell in 2007 too. It was a tough sell for Leach and his coaching tree in college. It would be way harder in the pros, at least as a new head coach. As an OC, well, that’s a different matter.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Only two hours?

There’s no practice limit in the nfl is there?

by builds character on Jan 11, 2012 6:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yep

You can only practice in full pads once a week. In training camp you have 10 full pad practices. There are other rules for preseason as well – you can find them all over here:

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/look-at-nfls-new-1062735.html

But yes, college and pros have almost the same amount of full-contact practices. You can do a lot more drills and walkthroughs, so for someone like Kelly that might not be as helpful – but maximizing practice time is now a big deal.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I think this would benefit Chip Kelly

given the way Oregon practices right now.

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It would

More importantly it’d help everyone in the NFL.

I was just saying that having a bunch extra walkthroughs wouldn’t help Kelly all that much; he’d have almost too much time. But he’d figure out a way to maximize it.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 12, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that doesn't matter

Whether he’s prepared or not, going for it AT ALL is not risk averse. We know that it’s the right thing because we’re not wedded to convention, but convention absolutely rules the roost in the NFL. If you go for it on 4th and 1 when you could kick a FG (especially on the road, because for some reason getting points on the road is more important) you’re doing it wrong. Doesn’t matter why. Doesn’t even matter if you get it or not. It just matters that you’re willing to, and that’ll draw criticism.

Also note that due to the new CBA rules the practice time in pads in the NFL is very, very similar to the time in the pros. This actually is an advantage for Kelly (as I’ve said a few times now) because maximizing good time in pads is a huge gain for a team now; more reps is a big deal. The overall time – film study, workouts, etc increases and that’s good, but the actual practice time is about the same.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Basically what Kalon said directly above. If you’re going to buck conventional wisdom, it doesn’t matter how prepared you are. And even though Kelly has preparation and statistical probability on his side with a lot of those decisions, he’s going to fail sometimes. And given that there’s a learning curve there, he’ll probably fail a decent amount of the time at first.

Those failures won’t be seen as bad luck or as a new coach taking his lumps; they’ll be seen as evidence that his college schtick was better off where he didn’t have to deal with the size and speed and all that other junk that the NFL has. Of course we know that’s not the right conclusion to draw, but it could very well be the prevailing notion. It usually is when someone bucks the trend and has middling results. So any team that hires him has to be willing to stick with him for at least three or four years to ensure that if he’s failing, it really is because he’s not cut out for an NFL job and not because of misfortune or an adjustment period.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 11, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone else thinking about Money Ball?

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 11, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

allow me to retort

The NFL is moving – slowly, as you said – towards less risk-averse things. But it’s so very, very slow. Peyton Manning’s no-huddle offense and stretch run play was something that was done 20 years ago by Cinci as a desperation move to get SOMETHING to work. The wildcat was a similar thing – do SOMETHING to get value. That’s not what you hire a coach for, usually. As an example: the Falcons last weekend had three 4th down situations where they could go for it – two in the 25 yard area and one in the no man’s land around the 45. They went for it twice on the 25 and punted the third time. And almost everyone lamented these choices, saying that they should have kicked the FGs.

Even though those were, by far, the right things to do in each situation.

That kind of groupthink crap is everywhere in the NFL, and it’s almost entirely media-driven. That’s the real tough part – that the media will criticize because it’s new and different, and that causes a lot of issues. With college you have so much more freedom. When you’re doing things your way in the NFL and the owner comes to you and says ‘you can’t run plays like that because we’re getting hammered by the media’ what do you say?

On player relationships: that’s true, but as you say it’s very, very different. It is much more a peer relationship than a mentor one – Belichick is mentioned often in that way because of the peer relationships he has with his players, how he treats so many of them as equals and does give and take with them – but that’s still tough. And it’s very different than college. Yes, he’d love to have LMJ on a 5-year contract. What happens to the guys he has to keep even though he’d rather dismiss them? What happens to the players that don’t buy in? Do you think that the fans would (for instance) tolerate benching Brandon Marshall for ‘team-related discipline issues’) for 4 games if he hadn’t done anything outwardly wrong? That’s the sort of headaches that Kelly doesn’t have right now.

People say that the NFL is so much better than the pros, but in reality that’s not the case. The money is very much similar (and often better in college), the facilities at Oregon are significantly better than a number of programs in the NFL (coughWashingtoncough), the freedom is greater and you are THE person who wins games for your team. In college the coach is absolutely the king. In the pros it’s far more about the players.

Like I said, ultimately it comes down to whether or not Kelly actually wants to leave for the NFL and wants to try. If he does, he will go as soon as he likes; there will be no lack of jobs for him there, though a head coaching job with no experience would be only possible on a team that, quite frankly, sucks ass organizationally. My gut feeling is that he’s far more likely to leave to an SEC team like Florida or Auburn or something along those lines, because the only thing that is going to limit him at Oregon is the athletes, and the only thing that can really solve that is SEC location.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

That kind of groupthink crap is everywhere in the NFL, and it’s almost entirely media-driven

Do you really think Kelly cares about that? Or ever will? The reason college fans (and Oregon specifically) put up with the risky things Kelly does is because he’s successful. Do you think Oregon would have the same opinion of the onside kick against Stanford, if Stanford had recovered and scored easily? How do you think New Orleans fans feel about the onside kick in the Super Bowl? If it works out, everyone is happy, if not, he’s going to catch criticism. That’s not just an NFL thing, that’s a football thing. And I really don’t think Kelly cares.

Do you think that the fans would (for instance) tolerate benching Brandon Marshall for ‘team-related discipline issues’) for 4 games if he hadn’t done anything outwardly wrong?

Cliff Harris. Definitely not a popular decision, but the right one. I think that’s what fans and owners care about.

I highly doubt he leaves for another college team. Oregon has everything he needs and what it doesn’t, he’ll work to get. Especially the athletes.

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Whether Kelly cares or not

Owners do care.

Do you really think Kelly cares about that? Or ever will?

No, I don’t think he cares. I think he wants to do what he believes is right and what sends the right message for the program – but he is in the end not the ultimate arbiter of these things in the NFL. The owner is. If (for example) Jerry Jones tells him that a guy he benched because he was slacking is going to start on Sunday, what does Kelly say? How does Kelly deal with that? This is another reason that going to the NFL is not easy – Kelly would absolutely have to have an owner and a GM that were thinking just like him, and owners are not commonly going to do that. And it’s not just a matter of criticism – it’s a matter of expecting that after the criticism things are going to change. Belichick caught massive flak for his 4th and 2 call against the Colts a couple years back, and he’s got almost bulletproof status in the NFL and in NE, and even he had to dial it back a notch

That’s really the ultimate thing to say: in college, Kelly is basically the coach, GM and owner of the team. In the NFL he’s at best one of those things.

Cliff Harris. Definitely not a popular decision, but the right one. I think that’s what fans and owners care about.

No, owners care about what the fans think and more importantly if the fans and media are causing major uproars. And if it keeps going, it means that that coach is going to get fired. We see this all the time; Hue Jackson got fired because he said he wants to change a lot to fit his way and if he can’t do that, he’s gone.

As to the athletes – Oregon is up there, but they simply don’t have the cachet to get the recruiting classes Alabama does because they’re not in the SEC. They’re not 200 miles from these recruit’s homes. They don’t have the 600 million dollar revenue stream. It’ll get better in Eugene, but it’ll never be able to match that. And given how he’s said that facing Auburn and LSU and seen the kinds of players they have vs. the kinds of players we do – that’s the sort of thing I could see him leaving over.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I know this is a hypothetical, but what if Gruden or Dungy became a GM someplace?

Either of those things could happen. I’ve already said, it’s got to be the right job and the right time. I don’t think he jumps to the NFL to “prove he can.” That doesn’t seem to be his MO. But, if the right position at the right time came up, I don’t see him passing it up either.

And again, you bring up a coach (Belichick) catching flack for an unsuccessful 4th down that led to a loss. I don’t think Kelly would be immune to that in college or the pros. Kelly goes for it because he knows he’ll be successful.

Oregon punts, Oregon kicks FGs. He doesn’t always go for it, and he’s not bulletproof from that criticism here now. It’s just that he doesn’t care and most of the time he’s successful.

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

And again, you bring up a coach (Belichick) catching flack for an unsuccessful 4th down that led to a loss. I don’t think Kelly would be immune to that in college or the pros. Kelly goes for it because he knows he’ll be successful.

And Kelly gets lots of flack when stuff doesn’t work out.

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by JShufelt on Jan 11, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

That's true

He doesn’t have an owner breathing down his neck for it though.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Should we talk about the final drive of the USC game again? What about the FG try in the Rose Bowl? Yeah, no one said anything after the Boise game.

Kelly is not immune to criticism. He’s just been right more often than wrong.

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m confident he would be in the NFL, too. The problem is that when he’s wrong in the NFL, he’ll be REALLY wrong, because he’s not doing things the way everyone else does them. And God forbid he starts his career with a run of bad luck on some of those “contraversial” play calls, because he’s going to get cut very little slack unless you’ve got an owner who’s completely bought in for an extended period.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 11, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Being immune to criticism is not the same as being the owner

That’s the central key. I’m not saying that HoneyKelly should care – he don’t care. I’m saying that he’ll be forced to do things that he wouldn’t want to do and thinks are wrong by his bosses.

Success will absolutely salve a lot of that – but success in the NFL is pretty hard to come by, especially for a new coach with a new system. Belichick certainly didn’t have success early in his career, for instance. Very few coaches do.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Gruden would be an interesting GM

Dungy…would likely not. Though honestly, I can’t imagine with the death of his son a few years back that he would want to get back into heavy levels of NFL-ness. I think he wants his family.

But point being that he’d need a GM that was very much on the same page as Kelly. Someone willing to shake things up a bit and be innovative. And he’d need an owner willing to accept both of them as an experiment. Probably that would mean a smaller, less-established market with a newer owner not wedded to the NFL’s ways and who cared about either winning big (and getting a new stadium) or losing bad (and getting the hell out of dodge).

So somewhere like Jacksonville, maybe. Oakland would be another possibility. Whoa…Oakland. I could totally see Kelly in Oakland, come to think of it. They love coaches and teams willing to do things new and differently, like coaches who are somewhat assholish to others and boy, do they love speed. THat might actually work.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably that would mean a smaller, less-established market with a newer owner not wedded to the NFL’s ways and who cared about either winning big (and getting a new stadium) or losing bad (and getting the hell out of dodge).

So, beside the first part, he should be the coach of the San Diego Chargers?

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

SD wouldn't be a bad choice either

Though the owner is somewhat stupid.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Oakland

They don’t currently have the pieces in place for him. And they’d have to give Kelly a couple of years to revamp the roster, but wouldn’t it be interesting if Gruden returned as GM at Oakland and chose Kelly to be his head coach?

That could actually work.

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I could see that happening too. Chucky returning as GM (or even GM/Def coach) and Kelly returning as OCoach.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as there is person with the last named “Davis” in the building, run…run far away…

by DCDuck on Jan 11, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, and here is the image you all should think about when wondering if players will get in line behind Chip Kelly’s system.

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Ownres care about making money. They’re going to weight the negative publicity from not suspending a player against the negative publicity from losing more games without that player, in both the long and short term. So even though Kelly wants to suspend a guy, the owner might tell him to deal with it, because he’s willing to deal with the negative publicity as long as the best team is on the field.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 11, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, kinda

Some owners care about making money, but honestly if you own a NFL team right now it is essentially impossible to lose money on it. You could make more, but you’ll still be making money. Owning a NFL franchise a lot of times is less about making money and much more about the status symbol that it represents.

Which means that owners are very often driven by perception of their team and ways to fix it. Especially some of the worst owners, like Dan Snyder.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

So...

Just got here through Ted Miller’s blog..

by ydarb22 on Jan 11, 2012 11:47 AM PST reply actions  

Welcome. Can I get you something to drink? A nice microbrew perhaps?

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 11, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

How about a beer with fruit in it?

by westspec on Jan 11, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, I’m cool with that. Whatever he wants.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 11, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, you should be surprised if NFL teams covet Chip Kelly.

Either that’s a typo, or Ted’s calling you out Matt Daddy.

Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.

by omb on Jan 11, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

That's what I thought too.

Next thing you know, he’ll be calling me a Putz too.

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Ted Miller=Steve Tannen.

"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt

by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m calling you out, too.

And you’re a Putz as well.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck

by JShufelt on Jan 11, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

but you don’t have credibility and your twitter follower count is really low.

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm following more people than you

and I have about 65% of the following that you do. So I’m just about as credible as you.

Twitter Rules!

"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt

by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s not the only thing that’s low when it comes to my twitter.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck

by JShufelt on Jan 11, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

That's why you'll never have tweets

You have a low twitter count

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Oh thank god, what a relief.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck

by JShufelt on Jan 11, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

It appears that Ted doesn't agree with me

Yes, you should be surprised if NFL teams covet Chip Kelly.

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, he is a professional writer, after all.

With followers and stuff.

I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.

by benzduck on Jan 11, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It all comes down to twitter followers…

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck

by JShufelt on Jan 11, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Enjoying your visit?

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck

by JShufelt on Jan 11, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

This isn’t my first post here, I just didn’t have the time to go through the comments, so I went to check out Ted’s blog. This is the first place I come to when I want to block out the non-Duck world.

by ydarb22 on Jan 12, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I thought your name was familier!

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck

by JShufelt on Jan 12, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

This is how I picture him (hint, on the right)

"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt

by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Thank you for that.

I needed a good laugh.

"I thought we were going to see an @ESPN highlight where (DT) was gonna rip the knee brace off...like Forrest Gump running down the field." Chip Kelly

by PondJunky on Jan 11, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Because this topic is more than a little depressing,

Here’s something to help y’all feel a better.

Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.

by omb on Jan 11, 2012 12:17 PM PST reply actions  

Did LMJ try to run stairs there?

There’s no way that flimsy structure could support his weight.

"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt

by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey, if I'd watched my arch rival defeat me for the eighth straight time in my own house,

I’d want to blow it up and start over too.

Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall

by ProbablyMonty on Jan 11, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It was more fun the first time they did it.

I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.

by benzduck on Jan 11, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Smart and forward-thinking.

They created a mini-curricula for high school physics students that (as far as I know) is still in use today.

I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.

by benzduck on Jan 11, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I will always remember this from when I did a science project on bridge construction in elementary school. Pretty crazy.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 11, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

High school in Maryland

Lane CC.

Those are a long ways apart.

"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt

by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

MAP!!!

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

That was back when LCC was recruiting nationally.

I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.

by benzduck on Jan 11, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I've heard they have a world class medical school

/cancels all doctors visits in Hood River

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Putz.

I had better teachers at LCC than I did, literally, anywhere else in my education. No offense to university professors, there are plenty of good ones, but there are also plenty who are there because they’re tenured and can mail it in, or focused on their research and graduate students. Junior college profs tend to be there to teach.

Going to LCC to figure out what the hell I actually wanted to do with my life was the smartest decision I ever made.

/soapbox

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jan 11, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

At LCC I had better professors than at Oregon

Not kidding. Small classes and profs who want to teach and not do research made all the difference. I even got to go to Kenya and teach elementary school through a co-op ed program at Lane. I loved every confused and aimless year I spent there.

"My carpet is made of velcro."

by Chewbacca5000 on Jan 11, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

They let me be the Sports Editor for the school paper.

My favorite headline was for the baseball team when their catcher homer to win a big league game. It was “Yonker Yanks a Big One”

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 11, 2012 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I was sports editor on my dinky HS newspaper,

gotta say I loved following the guys wrestling team. My claim to fame though was Betty Crocker Award.

You rush a miracle man, you get rotten miracles.

by MCD Mom on Jan 11, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

So you mean I'm destined to become some combination of F@m*%s DUUck or MCD Mom:

fuck.

"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt

by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Please

He’s not a real journalist yet. He still has standards.

My initials have an Invisible umlaut.

by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 12, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

But he doesn't have the pole upon which they need be flown.

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 12, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

How in the hell did you get to LCC from Maryland.

"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt

by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

By car.

Now with mustache guarantee!

by HoodRiverDuck on Jan 11, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

.

"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt

by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Tee, hee, hee.

Without launching into a life story, two siblings had moved to Oregon for unrelated reasons, so I gravitated there after high school.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jan 11, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Perfectly reasonable and unquestionable story...

/CallsOregonMedicalBoard
/CallsJohnsonWard
/Putsupfliers
/Postsbadreviewsonvariouswebsites

"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt

by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

My brother in-law was a prof at Northwestern. Visited in the 60s and they had a model in a wind tunnel.

Speed Endurance Talent is how Track Town USA plays football. Win The Day

by webfoot73 on Jan 11, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha, nice

Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall

by ProbablyMonty on Jan 11, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

So… by “renovation” they mean “destroy the monstrosity entirely”.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck

by JShufelt on Jan 11, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s pretty much how it looked when I was up there. I think that photo might even have been taken from our seats!

by JonathanPDX on Jan 11, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

With 8X zoom, maybe.

"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt

by axemen23 on Jan 11, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Some problems with your examples:

The wildcat disappeared (for the most part) almost as quickly as it appeared, due to defensive adjustments. And Cam Newton, while a threat to run, was a revelation because he managed to hit his own receivers and do it often, not because he was taking off down field all the time. Tebow? Well, people can give him all the praise in the world but it’s the fact that their defense has kept opponents within range rather than his “talent” that has made the Broncos a legitimate playoff threat. Get a couple scores on the board and the Denver offense can’t keep up. But if they’re within one score, Tebow might be able to make just enough plays to win.

The most problematic part is actually the conservatism of the entrenched NFL front-office personnel. It’ll take an owner and GM with patience and a willingness to adjust the roster to fit the system for Chip to have a shot at making this work, and patience is hard to find in the NFL. I’d be fascinated to see the spread implemented in the league and see how it works, but getting pro’s to buy into the whole scheme, including conditioning for that pace, as well as having the benefit of patience from the brass and willingness to change the roster, to have a chance to succeed.

Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 11, 2012 12:30 PM PST reply actions  

getting pro’s to buy into the whole scheme, including conditioning for that pace

this is what I think Kelly would be unsuccessful at, there’s too many primadonnas in the NFL that would be unwilling to work as hard as Kelly would require of them

by echo31 on Jan 11, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Let’s use some words to describe the Patriots Bill Belichick. Abrasive. Tough. No nonsense. Uncompromising. Player’s coach. Winner.

You forgot “Douche.”

Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.

by D4P on Jan 11, 2012 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

I’ll never understand anyone that loves Chip Kelly but hates Belichik … they’re remarkably the same coach

by echo31 on Jan 11, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey! Us hypocrites don’t like having facts thrown in our faces. We’re very happy with our inconsistency, thank you.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 11, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, and the difference is that Kelly is OUR douche.

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 11, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

He's our coach

You defend that incontinent racist uncle if he’s your uncle. You hate him if he’s your friend’s uncle.

Same kinda thing.

Kelly’s a douche. But he’s our douche.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

yes, I get that, but then I realize that all of the faults that Belichik has are the same things I love about Kelly and I decide that Belichik is fine, he just coaches for a team I don’t care about

by echo31 on Jan 11, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that cheating Belichick! What an asshole!

-Willie Lyles

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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 11, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

heh

Seriously, I strongly suspect Kelly would be willing to earn whatever competitive advantage he can. He’s the hungry black lab, remember – if you leave the scraps around he’ll eat ‘em. He’s not honorable so much as voracious.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe some people thought this was a douchebag thing to do.

by pete592 on Jan 11, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

"Will YOU be there, EA?"

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 11, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec X 7

Let’s get this GREEN folks.

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 11, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Sadly

Doesn’t mean that Kelly is a lifelong Oregon coach.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Flagged.

Don’t mess with out little universe of happiness!

"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly

by Duckfanatic10 on Jan 12, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Will Chip leave the Ducks?

This is till a young Oregon team with top quality freshmen, sophs and junior players.
2012 will be a great year for the Ducks…why would he want to leave???

by bernu on Jan 11, 2012 6:46 PM PST reply actions  

Matt Daddy,

I have decided you shall be Mr. Spoon, stir away!

You rush a miracle man, you get rotten miracles.

by MCD Mom on Jan 11, 2012 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

What a putz.
The Pac 12 has already experienced this with new head men at a quarter of its institutions

There are 4 new head coaches in the Pac-12 this year (WSU, UA, ASU, and UCLA)
There are 12 teams in the Pac-12.

12 divided by 4 is 3.

So 1/3 of the institutions have new coaches. Not a quarter.

In all seriousness, I honestly believe that in 50 years we’ll look back at Chip Kelly’s career and call him the “Bear Bryant” of Oregon.

"Fuck you UW. How many days since you last beat us?" -skywaker9

by QuackQuackAttack on Jan 11, 2012 7:55 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

ugh, I forgot about Arizona.

Seems like their coaching search was years ago. Thanks for the reminder.

"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian

by Matt Daddy on Jan 11, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, technically it was.

But yeah. just thought I’d make a playful jab about it to our local putz. I’m more ashamed that no one else picked up on that, outta the some odd 216 comments.

"Fuck you UW. How many days since you last beat us?" -skywaker9

by QuackQuackAttack on Jan 12, 2012 5:10 AM PST up reply actions  

We were too busy yelling at a putz

then crying in the corner cause he’s probably right.

"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly

by Duckfanatic10 on Jan 12, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Another REC, this time for QQA

green this one up too

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 11, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll be looking up at Chip Kelly’s career at Oregon in 50 years.

Speed Endurance Talent is how Track Town USA plays football. Win The Day

by webfoot73 on Jan 11, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as Dan Snyder Owns the Redskins....

there is a chance anyone can become a head coach in the NFL. Not that I think Kelly would be dumb enough to take that gig.

My sense is he won’t let himself seriously think about the NFL until he wins a National Championship.

"NCAA/BCS is about cash money, and Boise can't afford the buy in" - president of "the" Ohio State University.

by Buckeye Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 3:50 PM PST reply actions  

I pretty much agree

That being said, I can also sadly see Kelly leaving oregon for an SEC school where he thinks he can get said natty more easily.

If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score

by kalon on Jan 12, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you don't know Coach Kelly very well.

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on Jan 14, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

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