Washington Huskies hire Tosh Lupoi, balance of power in Pac-12 shifts to the Northwest
by jtlight on Jan 16, 2012 12:44 PM PST
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Major Pac-12 news today. Cal's Tosh Lupoi, 2010's recruiter of the year, is leaving his post as defensive line coach at his alma mater, for similar position at Uw, though he will be run game coordinator.
If you head over to Cal Golden Blogs and check out the comments, it's easy to see just how big this hire is. Tosh Lupoi was one of the top recruiters in the nation. His defensive lines were regularly some of the best in the conference, and last season his line was one of the few that had the talent to shut down the Oregon offense (nevermind the eventually suspension for his shenanigans).
In the past weeks, Uw has gone from giving up 777 yards in their bowl game, to building the best young defensive coaching staff in the country. Justin Wilcox is a rising star, and he will be helped out by recruiting starts Tosh Lupoi and Peter Sirmon. They also recently stole Keith Heyward as defensive backs coach from Oregon State, and he was one of the Beavers' top recruiters. While this won't make a huge impact next season, we will see the repercussions in the near future. Recruiting is the foundation for any program, and washington is on the rise.
What this means for the conference as a whole is a very strong Pac-12 North, and Northwest. The new Pac-12 media deal has made an immediate impact. WSU hired Mike Leach, Uw hired an entire new defensive staff. In this Tupoi deal alone, Tosh, a defensive line coach, is rumored to be making $500,000 per year, more than Nick Aliotti makes. There is only one team that is not keeping pace in the Pac-12 North race, the rest of doing whatever they can to catch up with Oregon.
The Pac-12 is becoming increasingly more competitive, and that is a great thing. washington and WSU are significantly on the rise. Cal isn't going anywhere, and Stanford will be a solid team at the worst under David Shaw. Oregon will be the overwhelming Pac-12 North favorite next season despite the loss of Darron Thomas and LaMichael James.
The main reason that the Pac-12 is not seen on the same level as the SEC is that they do not have the same commitment to excellence. I am very glad that we're seeing that change, even if it means that Uw is more competitive as a byproduct.
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So So So So SO Excited
For the next several UW vs. Oregon games.
#bowdown
Ugh.
I like the increased competition, but you guys are going to get a win one of these years dammit.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Thank God
Been long enough – it was never going to last forever and hell, it will be way more fun when we both can win every year. I love hating Oregon but damn it, you guys are fun rivals.
#bowdown
by PurpleHeart on Jan 16, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
it will be way more fun when we both can win every year.
It is not possible for me to disagree with this any more than I already do.
Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jan 16, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Fair Enough
I guess I just like a real rivalry and in football the last few years the domination has toned things down a bit – lets get some more bitterness and rage going. Maybe UW quashes NCG hopes for Oregon in an upcoming year and the next year Oregon knocks UW out of the PAC 12 title game? Would be great theater.
#bowdown
No way. No sir.
Theater’s not supposed to make me throw up. This is exactly why I never saw Human Centipede.
Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
The UW/UO rivalry used to mean something; I love the idea of it meaning who wins the Pac-12. Think about how great LSU-Alabama has been, or Michigan/OSU, or Texas/Oklahoma.
Rivalries are awesome – but they’re only awesome when it means something and both teams can win.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
I felt this way about Civil War for the Roses a few years ago but not about Washington. I like being tense about the Beavers possibly winning. I HATE being tense about Washington possibly winning.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
This.
Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jan 16, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
UO v. UW for the top might be the best hope for the Pac-12.
USC versus Oregon would be the best, and we’ll get that this year, but with a lot of talent gone and sanctions taking a bite, USC’s going to be hard pressed to stay on top.
But UW being good at football is also an affront to the almighty. They should lose all games forever. It is in no way good for humanity as a whole.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
Not that I want to sound pessimistic or alarmist or negative, but I do want to avoid hubris
And point out that there is every chance SC wins the PAC 12 and the North doesn’t represent the PAC-12 in the Rose Bowl.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Much more so without DT. The weak OOC schedule looks fortuitous now.
by INducktrination on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Auburn/Alabama is a bone-deep, unforgiving state of war, the kind ESPN makes 30/30
documentaries about. LSU/Alabama is an ordinary college football rivalry by most people’s standards.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
right, that was my point
LSU/Alabama is not the same as UO/UW, Michigan/tOSU or Texas/Oklahoma, it’s just 2 conference rivals that are usually both at the top of the conference, more along the lines of UO/USC lately
Okay
Use Auburn/Alabama then. Point being that the rivalry ain’t anything special when one team sucks.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Like how Rice considers Texas a rival, even though the recod is 71-21-1 in favor of Texas. I bet no one at Texas considers Rice a rival.
Michigan-OSU used to be what Oregon-washington is now
Just sayin, it hasn’t diminished that rivalry at all.
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
by Brass-billed on Jan 16, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Well, what in the heck is Mike RIley going to do, gosh darn it!
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jan 16, 2012 12:49 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
What if they hired Kirby Smart as their defensive coordinator tomorrow?
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jan 16, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Somehow I misread this as "What if they hired Kirby Smith"? And I wondered what difference a Civil War general would make in the Beavers' recruiting efforts.
Things like that.
That would probably be more likely than the Beavers hiring Kirby Smart.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jan 16, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Cal fans going nuts
Anyone on twitter or over at California Golden Blogs knows what I mean.
#bowdown
Cal isn’t going anywhere
One wonders (by which I mean I wonder). While schools like Oregon were hiring phenomenal coaches and becoming powers recruiting B/B+ talent, Cal’s inconsistency and underachievement seemed to be met quite often in Cal circles with a “what do you expect? We can’t compete at the highest levels until we recruit like USC or Texas!” And wouldn’t you know, they’ve started to get scarier because they are actually picking up recruiting to an elite level. This seems like a blow to that, maybe a big blow.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
Cal is an elite academic school, in a great location, and have shown that they have a commitment to succeed with their recent renovations.
I doubt they’ll be going 1-10 anytime soon, but they also won’t be going 10-2. So, yeah, they aren’t going anywhere. 6-6 here they come!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I suppose this is true.
If they stay where they’ve been the last few years, they aren’t going to be that much trouble. Each year I just keep thinking, for some reason or other, that this is their year! Watch our for Cal this year! They have the pieces, they’re going to put them together!
Silly me I guess.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
I think it's just simple math now.
We are all fighting over x amount of of top players, and although we are getting better at going nationally, a lot of UW, WSU and Stanford recruiters have experience in B12 and SUC land.
So even nationally, drawing to the West and is going to be harder and harder. As long as this happens in South too we’ll be fine, if not, the U$C gets first picks while we’re forced to fight with our Northern cousins. So, here’s hoping to UTAH, UCLA and UA can all step their game up.
For Oregon, King Kelly, and St Quack!
Jared subscribes to my theory that the more you give Cal credit, the more they disappoint you when it comes to gametime.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Disgagree....almost all the positive momentum in the Cal football program was due to Tosh.
There is some talk that there are some decent fractures in the staff there
His defenses were regularly some of the best in the conference
It boggles my mind that Tosh is now making double of Aliotti. Does anyone think this will cause a little more spending on the part of Oregon for their coaches, especially considering their recent history and results?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
except that nobody is beating down the doors of the Oregon staff ...
… which I do find strange. Regardless, supply and demand.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
The majority of Oregon's staff is much older than most teams and they don't want to make any dramatic life changes at this point in their life
The exception of this is Scott Frost, who I expect will get an OC position with a couple years.
It’s awesome that Frost is almost definitely not going to leave for the same position at a different school. Says a lot about where Oregon is at.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Do you think Oregon would consider making Frost its offensive coordinator?
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jan 16, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I meant if Helfrich were to leave.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jan 16, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see us getting rid of Helfrich. He and Kelly have a great working relationship from what I’ve seen. IMO, them working together for the first time was one of the keys to the BSU loss in 2009.
The Kelly/Helfrich/Greatwood combo is awesome, and I hope it doesn’t end. Frost is a rising star, and he’s done a great job recruiting. But he needs to coach up his players this year. it will be the first time we can really judge his coaching. If he’s successful, he’ll move onto somewhere else at a better position.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
It also says a lot about Frost as a person.
I don’t know what other mitigating factors were in play (pay, responsibilites, etc.), but when he chose to stay at Oregon as opposed to take the WR Coach position at his alma matter, he showed loyalty to the program he was helping to build and the players he’s recruited.
I imagine Pelini thought the lure of being involved with the Huskers was enough to bring him on board. He needed to put a little more effort into that pitch.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jan 16, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn't Nick Holt already making significantly more than NA?
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
Yeah, but everyone knew the Holt salary was a joke
Sark had to keep Holt from going with Carroll to the Seahawks (if I remember correctly) so he gave him a ridiculous salary. Having Uw’s defensive run and Xbox coordinator making more than Aliotti (3rd consecutive top defense in the Pac) is absurd.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
So it's OK to have the salaries not in line if the other guy's salary is a joke?
Sorry, don’t see the difference.
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
Alliotti really should get a raise
It would be a very large blow to lose him. Admittedily what he’s making is better than his ‘official’ salary (Nike pays like $200k, and then he has incentives) but I would expect him to earn more than $350k base now.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
You guys should get that done before somebody else starts waiving $$$
and ‘showing him love.’
Once the game starts it’s much harder to predict the end game.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not saying Aliotti doesn't deserve a pay raise
I think he does. But I don’t think using Holt’s salary as comparison is accurate. Maybe it’s more about how Uw is willing to outspend anyone for their coaches (especially ones that haven’t proven anything yet).
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Just saying if Holt's absurd salary didn't trigger an upgrade for NA, why would Tosh's salary do it?
“It’s okay, Nick, just ignore the fact that Mr Zubiepants up in Montlake is making a shitload more than you, we know his salary is a joke.”
“What? You say they fired Mr Zubiepants and hired someone who can actually coach and recruit? Wow, maybe we should look at giving you a raise!”
You’re making my head explode now.
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
I didn't say it should trigger any raise for NA. Just that I thought it was absurd these guys up at UW are making what they're making
I think the 3 consecutive outstanding Pac defense should do that more than what comparable coach X should. I’m sure if they decide to renegotiate NA’s salary, they’ll look at the college landscape and take into account what other coaches are making, but just because Tosh Xbox got a huge pay raise doesn’t mean NA should.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
When is his contract up? While NA certainly deserves a raise, the state of education in Oregon (higher or not) is in the toilet.
Has anyone done a breakdown on how they get their salaries? For example, NA’s salary may be incentive based, whereas Holt’s salary might have been 600K whether or not they do anything.
“The next highest pay bonus came in 2010 when Oregon assistant coach Nick Aliotti received a $232,000 bonus on top of his $295,000 annual salary.” eHow article
If this is true (and I’m not saying it is), Holt and Aliotti made about the same amount.
Per this Moseley article from 2008, Aliotti was/is under a four year contract, which means he should be renegotiating this year or next.
I think Kelly probably wanted to make sure everyone bought into his system and played by his rules without question before renewing contracts. For example, if NA was super bitter and bitched about being passed over for the HC job, he would likely not still be at the UofO.
My initials have an invisible umlaut.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 16, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
You’re not considering Holt’s incentive money….
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Did he earn any this year?
No, seriously. He’d better have forfeited any money for getting to the Alamo Bowl.
My initials have an invisible umlaut.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 16, 2012 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'm a little shocked that Aliotti makes so little.
His recent performance, on top of all the other things he’s done for UO, should be worth a big bump up the national pay scale.
Also, I know that Tosh is technically a lower level assistant, but $150,000 in the Bay Area seems pretty weak for a member of a big money sports organization. No wonder he’s jumping at that raise.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
Based on merit, sure, but I'm not sure there's a huge market for Alliotti going elsewhere.
The main reason coaches ever get paid a bunch is when athletic departments think that they’re hot candidates elsewhere. If a coach’s value is pretty illiquid, his paycheck won’t be as high as if he were being pursued. This is a pretty rare thing to see in college football — a successful, very good coach who is not very well pursued — but Alliotti fits in well.
Things like that.
Also, I meant to say “his defensive lines,” not defenses, because he was only the D-line coach.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
But he did have some of the best defenses, as well as defensive lines, in all of Xbox too
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
He's really great at recruiting those 4 star guys with only one offers
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
I'll leave this here too
Quinn Tedford (Coach’s son) is on the football team, and playing major damage control with players and recruits on twitter. Read and enjoy.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Guess we know what to expect from Uw's defense next year
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Wait, what? What do we expect?
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
You get extra credit for humor in the face of pain
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think he's feeling pain
the BOOOOOOOOO refers to the fact that Tosh coached players to fake injuries.
He’s been a good recruiter. I don’t know what he’ll do as a coach. Cal’s DC came up with a good plan to stop Oregon in 2010. In 2011, not so much. And a part of that not-so-much were the times when their young DEs got caught out of position. Which might be on the position coach
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 17, 2012 4:58 AM PST up reply actions
hehehe
@SportsBrewery 5m
“defensive run game coordinator.” Give Sark credit, he is creative. #FakeJobTitles
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
This just makes me laugh
We should come up with new titles for our coaches.
Aliotti – Linebacker Blitzing Wizard
Azzinaro – Defensive Line Coach and Bolt Eating Champion
Scott Frost – Dreamy Eyes Coordinator
John Neal – John Boyett Concussion Counter
Mark Helfrich – Chip Kelly’s Playchart Holder
Gary Campbell – Speedometer
Jim Radcliffe – Power Bar Organizer
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jan 16, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Jim Radcliffe-Man that appears to be tiny and harmless at first sight, but will destroy your body and psyche.
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jan 16, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Rec'd for # 4
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Rec'd for # 3
Got the shoes. Got the jersey. And finally, got football. Go Ducks.
(Good call, Daisy)
by lovemyducks81 on Jan 16, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
That one was just for you
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Awww, I thought it might be.
You’re such a nice putz.
Got the shoes. Got the jersey. And finally, got football. Go Ducks.
(Good call, Daisy)
by lovemyducks81 on Jan 17, 2012 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Steve Greatwood has been our run game coordinator for 3 years.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
If it’s normal on offense, I don’t see why it’s a crazy idea for a defense.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Oh please come true.
And soon. Rooting for the most tumultuous week in Pac 12 North history.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
If you want tumult
We need Stanford to come under recruiting violations for Andrew Luck, causing him to be ineligible for a year (and thus have to sit a full year out in the NFL, per the Pryor rule). Oregon State will then replace Mike Riley with Les Miles and hire Ed Orgeron as their head recruiter away from USC.
And oh yeah, Chip Kelly will have to retire.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Who says they don't have a sense of humor?
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
As a Duck fan and a Niner fan
Nothing would make me happier.
My initials have an invisible umlaut.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 16, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Hope you realize that's old news . . .
Sark interviewed & declined.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
This hurts Cal more than it helps UW from a recruiting standpoint.
One of Tosh’s main selling points was keeping California talent in state and at UW he suddenly has the same problem Oregon does with regards to distance. He will definitely help, but it’s not UW will suddenly start getting top ten recruiting classes every year.
the message isn't nearly as important as the relationship development...
… otherwise, everyone could sell Cal and nobody would be able to sell Eugene.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
You know, I was just going to say the opposite
DAT at least agrees with me :). Eugene is a good place to just chill.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
Eugene is indeed a nice little town to just chill. I intend that nicely.
More to do in Seattle, and landscape is also beautiful.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
Hey guys, the CGB freakout is too crowded.
is it cool if I freak out here for a little while til things calm down?
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
Just say it along with me...
FUCK THE hUSKIES!!!
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
You make us sooo happy when you freak
If only you could get Chip Kelly to do it . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
"I don't do well with pain medicine."
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jan 16, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
this actually really sucks
when washington wins, everyone else loses.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jan 16, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Were I a neutral fan in this situation
I’d be fascinated to see if Tosh can recruit to UW as well as he did to Cal.
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
Honestly, I'm interested in seeing if they can coach
Wilcox didn’t have a big coaching requirement at BSU with how bad the teams they played were. And his tenure at Tenn was less than spectacular, but there are circumstances for that too. Tosh is obviously a great recruiter, and not so good an acting coach, but he’s had pretty decent talent consistently at Cal.
They’re walking into UW with a project on their hands. This isn’t the 0-12 team, but 777 yards doesn’t happen just because of coaching. They’ll have work to do to make Uw a top tier defensive program, and I’m not sure about the time they have to get that done.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Well...
one of the teams BSu played was Oregon.
Don’t be offended. Just making a point.
There will never be a Husky free Northwest...never.
by ALLpurpleEVERYTHING on Jan 16, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
BSu was good that year, and the Ducks weren't that good. They were definitely
not quite there with Chip’s new system and schemes and so on. When he didn’t have the athletes (Tennessee), there wasn’t much he could do to stop us.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Can you say “new coaches” I think we will see quite a bit of that kind of game the first few this year until all the coaches get on the same page in game situations.
Speed Endurance Talent is how Track Town USA plays football. Win The Day
Holt beat Oregon when he was at USC
Don’t be offended. Just making a point.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Yeah, the much bigger question I have is whether he was really a good defense coach?
I know he has mad props as a recruiter.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Well
Cal’s defense solved us in 2010 remember
by INducktrination on Jan 16, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, and Lupoi was responsible for what facet?
Oh right, the ‘falling down’ fainting goats strategy.
They didn’t do nearly as well in 2011. Hardly solved.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
You think the only reason they had success in 2010 was the fake injuries?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Of course not.
they had a simple defensive plan, executed perfectly by a very talented defensive corps. Much like Chip Kelly’s offense. We just like to harp on the fake injuries because BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
by Brass-billed on Jan 16, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
You are right, of course.
Why no hate for Tedford?
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
I live in the Bay Area (read: habituated a higher tolerance), but I'd say:
- As a former Oregon coach, he deserves additional love (this may just be me).
- He’s “the QB guru” that hasn’t produced a good QB since Aaron Rogers.
- Inconsistency on the road would be an improvement.
- They consistently under perform expectations.
My initials have an invisible umlaut.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 17, 2012 6:13 AM PST up reply actions
Gotta read you more often . . .
you are actually thinking about this stuff, not just venting.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Have you fully taken note of the 'invisible umlaut?'
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
by Famous Duck on Jan 17, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There is some scuttlebutt right now
that Tosh was forced to be the fall guy for Fake-Injury-Gate, which has led to bitterness between him and Tedford.
"Ain't no tuition for having no ambition." -Brandon Carswell
Meh
It makes more sense that it was Tosh. If it wasn’t Tosh, why wouldn’t he (and others) bolt? I have a hard time believing they’re all bad apples.
My initials have an invisible umlaut.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 16, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah that's the word on the Cal side and what many speculated from the beginning
The best part of the situation was that Moraga Bear from Bearinsider said that Tosh wasn’t interested at all and turned down the offer. Couldn’t happen to a bigger bunch of douches.
So I've heard
Sounded like Pendergast was a the brain behind that brilliant idea?
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
by Brass-billed on Jan 16, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
I really like the fact that Uw fans are all happy again in the off season. It makes the impending 7-5 season that much more fun to watch.
“Oh, remember when you were thinking you’d win 10 games and go to the Rose Bowl, 3 months ago. How’s that going for you?”
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I like the evil Matt Daddy so much...it'll be good to have a strong husky hate going again
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Just remember. Eve of the eve.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Believe me, with this hire..
Generally speaking, UW fans are more excited for the possible long-term ramifications this will have on recruiting specifically much more so than their possible win-loss this upcoming season.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 16, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Good point
This made me go back and look at the comments from when Holt was hired. There’s a lot of the same things regarding him taking a HC job in 3 years, to turning around the defense, to looking towards the future, to excited Sark could steal him away. Sound familiar?
I’ll say it again, these guys need to be able to coach. Plus, if they’re going to install their system (which I’m sure you’re hoping they do, considering most people blame Holt for the damage done) that is going to take time. And not just 1-2 years. You’re talking 3-4 years and with the offenses in the Pac, does Sark and this staff have that time? Remember, it was just 3 years ago you all were so excited about Holt.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
haha, yeah, I remember UW fans saying that Holt’s NFL experience was going to stop Oregon’s offense cold … as if the NFL prepares anyone for defending Oregon’s offense
NFL defenses
would hardly need time to defend Oregon’s O. Its apples to oranges.
There will never be a Husky free Northwest...never.
by ALLpurpleEVERYTHING on Jan 16, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
not sure your point, I was just pointing out that before the first game we played against a Holt coached UW defense, a lot of UW fans were telling us that Holt had NFL experience so the Ducks wouldn’t be able to do anything on offense, and the opposite ended up being true
My bad
read it wrong.
There will never be a Husky free Northwest...never.
by ALLpurpleEVERYTHING on Jan 16, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Nope.
Just reading alot of different stuff right now. Its on me.
There will never be a Husky free Northwest...never.
by ALLpurpleEVERYTHING on Jan 16, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Apologies and genial banter between Uw and UO fans?
On MY AtQ?
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
by Brass-billed on Jan 16, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, we're loving it.
Latest salvos were at OSU & Cal; you oughta be able to laugh all the way around.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
The thing with Holt
is that he has been exposed as being Pete’s shadow. Without Pete, USC D wouldn’t have been the same.
There will never be a Husky free Northwest...never.
by ALLpurpleEVERYTHING on Jan 16, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Therefore, in 3 years, it will be interesting to see what Tosh and Wilcox were “exposed” for.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Believe me
I’m not going to claim anything will come about from this. Although, I think we can agree UW’s D shouldn’t be worse. I think we lacked depth but not exactly talent. I blame it on mr Lottery Pick 777
There will never be a Husky free Northwest...never.
by ALLpurpleEVERYTHING on Jan 16, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
I think you've got it all wrong,
it’s Jackpot 777 first of all.
And honestly I don’t think you guys are too far off. You should have a field-stretching offense for the next couple of years, so if you can find 1/2 of the defense to go behind that, and some depth especially on the line, then we could have an issue…
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Well
Mr. Lottery Pick 777 or Jackpot 777, it’s all the same. He was a bald freak who hid behind the mind of Pete and was exposed after wearing his sweats up to his, shall we say, rather large man boobs and spent more time screaming then he did coaching.
There will never be a Husky free Northwest...never.
by ALLpurpleEVERYTHING on Jan 16, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, well,
the Zubaz market should take a major hit in Seattle.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Sorry, sorry.
So harsh!
There will never be a Husky free Northwest...never.
by ALLpurpleEVERYTHING on Jan 16, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
“For the last time, they’re not SWEATS! THEY’RE ZUBAZ!” -Nick Holt
by FromAutzenWithLove on Jan 16, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
You see this is the problem right now with what I'm seeing from Uw fans
They’re more excited about getting rid of Holt, than what they’re getting in Wilcox and Tosh. I’ve yet to see one post, article, or comment outlining why Wilcox will be better. Instead I see a lot of “hooray for recruiting” and “now we’ll get the players to come to Uw!!” except that is exactly what you all were saying when you hired Holt. And more so, it wasn’t really the players that were your main problem last year.
Does Wilcox have a better system? Does he run a 3-4 or 4-3, or even a 3-3-5? How does it fit with what Uw has returning? What games are you looking at on Wilcox’s (and to that extent Tosh and Sirmon) resume that makes you think things will be that much different. I’m not trying to flame, I’d just like to know.
I can look at UA’s upgrade on offense with Rich Rod, Leach at WSU, even Mora at Ucla bringing in Mizzone and realize the offenses just got a hell of a lot better in the Pac (not to mention Barkley back at USC, Oregon being Oregon).
Yet Uw is all a flutter with their flashy coaching hires, and yet no one has really stopped to ask, “does this really make Uw better, and how?” It’s all celebration and little substance right now for me.
So congrats on getting rid of the Hulk Child, we’ll see if it translates to W’s, right now consider me cautiously cynical.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
To be fair
Wilcox et al don’t have to be worldbeaters for UW to be better – they just have to have an average D. The flip side is that Tennessee’s D actually declined while Wilcox was there.
However, that may be able to be made up for by awesome recruiting.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
With the upgrades we've seen on offenses in the Pac?
They’re going to need to do more than be average. Plus, in all honesty, the recruiting upgrade won’t be felt for at least 3 years.
I’m happy if Uw is mediocre for another 2+ years cause chances are Sark won’t be around after that (and this staff will most likely be gone too).
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
They really don't
Keith PRice’s performance in the Alamo bowl shows you what they can be if he’s healthy and mobile; they could be the most potent offense in the league next year. You don’t need a great defense to compete when you have a stellar offense; you only need a decent one. Last year they didn’t have a decent defense at all, and it cost them a few games. This year they might. And that’s all it takes, really.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
I'd like to see losing Polk factored into that league leading offense.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I don't think it's that big a deal
He wasn’t a huge factor in the game against Baylor. And when he was gone their production didn’t drop off all that much.
He’s good, but it’s clear that Price was the main factor in that offense. Losing Polk will hurt but not so incredibly that I’d expect any more of a dropoff.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Come on, you know better than that
Uw’s offense looked world beater, against Baylor which was just as bad defensively than Uw. Don’t get me wrong, they were good in 2011, but one Alamo bowl doesn’t make them unstoppable.
They were 24 in OFEI. Definitely good, but not great, and they’re losing a 1st team all Pac and 1400 yard rusher?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
The problem there
Is that you’re assuming Price was healthy for the season; he wasn’t. For almost the entire season he had knee issues that limited his mobility. The Baylor game was the first game where he was fully healed.
Losing Polk will hurt, but in a pro-style offense Polk is going to be somewhat easier to replace. Their whole offense doesn’t go through Polk like it does with Oregon and the RBs here.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Agreed
You don’t need a great defense to compete when you have a stellar offense
See Baylor..
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 16, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Well, it depends on what your goals are.
If you’re competing for a BCS game, the BCS championship, you do. You sure do. If you just want to win a bunch of games and reach a mid-level bowl, yeah, an offense only team can make that, sure.
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by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Alright...
See OKST
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 16, 2012 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Ok St had the #3 ranked defense according to DFEI. That’s an invalid argument.
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Stanford???
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 16, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Clemson!!!!!
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 16, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
There you go
You picked a team that squeaked into a BCS game, and then got they’re asses handed to them with a 70 point barrage.
Is that what you’re hoping for? And, they still had a better defense than Baylor.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Ahhh, point proven..
No, not what I hope for, but it can be done and used as a building block.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 16, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Trust me
I’d love for Uw to be the Clemson of the west. Actually, I’m looking forward to Uw being the Clemson of the west.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
by Matt Daddy on Jan 16, 2012 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Isn't Wazzu already the Clemson of the West?
Uw can be the Duke of the West.
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
Seriously?
I’d always heard their D was rubbish.
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
by Brass-billed on Jan 16, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
That was against Baylor
They were worse defensively than UW. What did Price and the offense do against defenses that were competent? Ore, USC, Stan
by H Stands for Halfwit on Jan 16, 2012 7:04 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Busted..........
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
That was against BAYLOR’s defense. Look, he had a great game, but over the entire season, Uw’s defense was merely above average, and crapped the bed against the best competition. They still have a lot of work to do on the offensive side of the ball. Not as much as the defense, but they are nowhere close to elite.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Baylor's defense was one of the worst in the country.
I wouldn’t base anything on that game. Price is a talented guy, but not THAT good.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 16, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Well, i'm with you on being cautious
Looking at the resume of these guys it’s impressive up front, Wilcox was able to coach up some non 5 star talent at Boise and pretty much maintain at Tennessee. The big question is can they coach up the kids here now. But let’s be honest here, this is all about the recruiting angle, so for that yes this is an upgrade from everything we had here the previous 3 years. Hopefully this translates on the field.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 16, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
This is what I disagree with.
Wilcox was able to coach up some non 5 star talent at Boise and pretty much maintain at Tennessee
He coached up non 5 star talent (which is what Uw has) against the WAC. At Tenn he didn’t maintain. His team’s stats went backwards in pretty much every major category (yds/play total defense, passing defense, rushing defense… Kalon can tell me the advanced stats from Bill C).
He had 2 years at Tenn to improve, and that really didn’t happen. What gives everyone so much hope that 2 years from now he’ll have Uw any better than mediocre on defense.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
From our point of view
The hope is about a 2 win difference, for starters, from where we ended with Holt. Which if he is able to do next year would be a miracle. I think everything will be decided in 2013. If that team can get to 10 wins it’s a success. And mediocre is a great start when you finish in the 100+ rating of total defense, I don’t have the stats of his years in Boise and Tenn but I would trade em now for what the Huskies did in those same years defensively…
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 16, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Mediocre is a step up from terrible.
With Washington’s offense, an average defense would definitely be an improvement.
Also, Wilcox is appears to be very good at in-game adjustments:
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 16, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Your signature
needs work.
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
by Old Ducker on Jan 16, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was actually thinking about writing a column profiling Wilcox's system and how it may apply to the players that UW has on hand.
At this point, all I know is that UW is going to adopt more of a 3-4 base defense. I will go from there and attempt to assess whether the hiring of Wilcox suggests, from a defensive system standpoint, an improvement over Holt’s system.
However, I do not think we can deny that these hires certainly appear to bolster the perception that UW’s recruiting should bring in a greater influx of higher-end talent, given that outside of Wilcox, each of the defensive coaches are well-regarded for their recruiting prowess.
Since this post is about Lupoi, I’d like to add that Cal’s D-lines these past few years are usually above average, if not better, so it’s a good reflection of his general ability to coach.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 16, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Good talent makes coaches look good
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
It CAN
Or…well, see Cal.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
You ought to be avoiding the CGB blogs for awhile;
I think that’s a very funny line; it might inspire heart attacks & death threats over there . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
BTW, you should. It would be a first that I've seen
I’m interested in Uw’s take on how this is actually going to help. All I’ve heard every off season since…2003? is that next year it will be better for Uw. There have been AD changes, multiple coaching changes and even head coaching changes and yet, I still fail to see how this is better?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
The thing with Sark
is that you’d think he would have known that.
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
Yes, you are correct about what was generally said 3 years ago about Holt by UW fans.
Not sure what your point is with that though, as I was only talking about the long-term ramifications regarding recruiting specifically vs. the win-loss column next season from the hire of Tosh Lupoi. Most UW fans believe this to mean that there will be a greater influx of higher-end talent over the long term, starting with the 2013 class.
That said, I do agree that there are similarities between the excitement of the UW fanbase 3 years ago over the hiring of Holt and the excitement that UW fans have today about hiring Lupoi, save for the fact that Holt was a defensive coordinator, and Lupoi is just basically the D-line coach. However, 3 years ago, UW fans were coming off of an 0-12 season, so expectations were generally much lower, so anything that indicated a positive direction was greeted enthusiastically. Now, after seeing a steady dose of overall improvement after each season by the program, expectations are considerably higher, so anything, recruiting, coaching changes, whatever, that would appear to further encourage higher expectations are similarly greeted enthusiastically.
As for being able to coach. I do agree that the guys that have been hired must be able to coach, and not just coach, but coach extremely well and effectively. And yes, I do agree that it takes time. While I would love to see it, I’m not expecting drastic improvement on defense in 2012. I wonder though, just out of curiosity, do you have any reason to think that these coaches that UW hired are unable to coach?
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 16, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
I have no information for or against their ability to coach, that's kinda the problem with the excitement I see
I know they’re splashy hires recruiting wise, but that will only be beneficial if they are there 3 years from now. And that’s really my point. Lost in the excitement of “oh boy we got good recruiting coaches” is the fact that it appears that Sark is making a last ditch effort to save his job.
Not that he’d be fired anytime soon, but another 7-5 or worse yet 6-6 season and the dogs will start to get restless. You don’t pay coordinators and Xbox coaches high 6 figure salaries for 5+ years and not expect results. Sark knew that with Holt and had to make a change. At what point do his bosses start to feel the same?
And will that feeling come before these bastions of recruiting are able to see the fruits of their labor?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
True.
I happen to believe that a 7- to 8-win season would still be generally regarded as a good season by UW fans. Yes, some fans will get restless, and some fans who are already restless will be even more so. But then some fans will continue to be patient. Those who are, will remember that it’s still a process.
But If I may, most UW fans that I talk to – usually at the Dawgpound.com – point to the 2013 season as the make-or-break season for Sarkisian. At that point, not only will the roster be completely his kids, but the kids he recruited will be Rs Sophomores, true juniors and seniors. If they are not contending for Rose Bowls then, people will be getting restless.
While I do understand the perception that Sarkisian may be making these hires to save his job – and it’s possible that he may be doing exactly that – I don’t think he’s in any real danger of losing his job, even after next season, giving the strides that the offense has made and is still making under him ,unless the offense goes backwards and/or the team has a losing season.
So having said that, these moves strike me as being the kind of “mob boss”/cutthroat moves that one makes to further his ambitions of winning.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 17, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
True. Still...
The conference is better overall when it’s not so top-heavy. Now that U$C is “back” the national perception will quickly revert to the standard of “PAC-1”, where the scumbags are the only program anybody gives a rip about east of the Mississippi.
I’m hoping our favorite team’s current hegemony can be maintained, but we need more quality teams to compete in this SEC-philic environment.
So, I’m ok with the whelps getting better, and no longer embarrassing the entire Northern Division by association. But I draw the line at toleration of them getting good.
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Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I've dusted the corner of the room
You may now sit there, hands around your knees, rocking back and forth crying “I CAN HAZ SHAQ THOMPSON”
by INducktrination on Jan 16, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Go ahead, we've got plenty of booze and hustlers to last a lifetime!
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
BUT YOU HATE OREGON
welcome to the Fusky Hate Nest
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 16, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
I have to admit I have a little less sympathy for Cal than I otherwise might have
Well, I hope these guys on CGB laughing at the Ducks when DT announced feel sadz
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
Was going to quote these comments
LOL how are Ducks so dumb?
KEEP CALM
AND
Z ON
Lol
That is all.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
not to mention the irony of Cal getting upset about the hiring away of an assistant coach
WHEN THEY DID THE SAME DAMN THING TO US!!
#KarmaJeffTedfordKarma
//MWHAHAHAHAMMMHWWAHHHAHAHAHAHA
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
//Not that I really object to coaches moving around to improve their careers
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Goes in all directions all the time.
Schadenfreude?
Shameful Joy?
Sour Grapes.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
Cowherd's got a good point
@ESPN_Colin 37m
Top recruiter leaves Cal for Washington—what’s his pitch—"All that stuff I said for 2 years about Cal being great,um, i meant Washington’
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Well, that can work many ways
Things he doesn’t get to say any more as a recruiting talking point
1. Great school academically
1. Stay in Cal!
1. Good weather (better than Oregon/Washington)
1. SC didn’t recruit you! Come kick their butts!
But he’s still the guy the recruits care about, so his pitch is still
1. Come to Washington, I’ll be there
1. Come to Washington, we’re on the rise
1. Come to Washington, we’re getting a new stadium!
1. OK, I got nothing else…
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 16, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
As far as academically, it could be way worse
Uw isn’t up there with the Cal schools, but they beat the pants off of every other school. ASU, Zona, OSU, Oregon, Utah, Colorado, Wazzu….not a lot of competition there.
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
by Brass-billed on Jan 16, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
How much must it suck to be a Cal fan...
When their future success is wrapped up in a defensive line coach, who everyone knew would be leaving at some time. Says quite a bit about the state of the program.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
And the Head Coach's son has to resort to twitter to try and keep the incoming class roped in.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Some of the comments over at CGB are actually interesting about why Tosh left...
This may be my favorite. From former Bear Mike Tepper on twitter.
This is what happens when you throw one of your own under the bus, @PlayClassyBears —> Oregon last year… #LoveForLupoi
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
So he's insinuating that Tosh incorrectly took the fall for the injury flops in 2010?
and was so bitter that he bolted North?
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
That, along with a huge raise, would probably be a big factor.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Makes logical sense
not sure if it makes truthful sense yet.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
If your salary triples, it’s tough not to make that move, especially if you like your boss.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
Based on other staffs around the country
the market for “Defensive run game coordinators” around the country is pretty limited; he appears to be the only one. I’m surprised his exclusivity didn’t net him 7 figures.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Also his fiance is from the Seattle area, no state income tax and lower cost of living.
I don’t see how any Cal fan could blame him for taking the job.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 16, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
It has long been understood by many cal fan insiders
that Tosh did in fact take the fall for the fake-injury-gate of 2010 when it was a larger issue (though I am not sure if it went all the way up to Tedford or not).
by The Graduate on Jan 16, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
. . . a year later. He had all off-season last year to bolt if injury gate was the reason.
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
Exactly. He left because of $$$. He was offered jobs last year, so if he wanted to leave because the coaching staff ‘threw him under the bus’ he would’ve left last year.
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
Well, no one (I’ve seen) is saying that’s the only reason he left, just like the money is probably not the only reason he left.
But when your current boss does something shitty, and you have the chance to go work under someone you like better, and they’re going to triple salary, most sane people would take that offer. There is likely no single reason he left. It’s a lot of things together. It’s never just one thing.
Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of Cal fans want to point at just one thing instead of actually putting themselves in his shoes.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I'll always respect Tepper
But he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about. What happened against Oregon was at best a distant factor in Tosh leaving.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 4:52 AM PST up reply actions
The Ducks staff.
The coaching moves the past few weeks have really reinforced how fortunate Oregon Football has been to retain it’s complete coaching staff the past two years.
The long tenured nature of so many of the Duck coaches means that we don’t expect a lot of them to move. But at some point the recent string of success has to mean that some assistants will get intriguing offers. There’s a lot of us that expect Frost will move on at some point to a coordinator position. What about Helfrich or Azzinaro? Do you think they’ll get some interest in the near future? Or gasp one of our entrenched coaches?
Of course when Chip takes the Dolphins job, he’ll probably just take the whole staff with him. I for one can’t wait for the unavoidable reality show that would come from Frost and Neal sharing a condo in South Beach.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jan 16, 2012 6:20 PM PST reply actions
They all need raises.
Continuity is king!
"I thought we were going to see an @ESPN highlight where (DT) was gonna rip the knee brace off...like Forrest Gump running down the field." Chip Kelly
I just loved this from today's EDSBS
I don’t want to live in a world where UDub routinely holds teams under 40 points
by Ardbeg on Jan 16, 2012 2:09 PM PST
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
by Famous Duck on Jan 16, 2012 7:00 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
What is the deal with coaches needing to rush to the new job without letting their players know?
I mean, if recruits are finding out from Husky blogs, that’s not right. In this day of advanced communications and electronics, it seems our ability to communicate is diminishing…
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
When it's big name hires
It can probably usually be attributed to the schools doing the hiring. In today’s culture of marketing, PR, and instant news, Schools want to get the message out there and make an impact, especially in the final month of recruiting.
Of course, Bobby Petrino is still a dick.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jan 16, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So it begins...McCarthy to UCLA
Aside from us getting him, this is obviously the next best case scenario.
Tosh Fallout Scoreboard:
UCLA: 1
Uw: 0
UO: 0
SC: 0
Cal: -1
I'm reading/hearing
that Shaq is likely the only one we’ll end up with but WR Payton is 50/50.
There will never be a Husky free Northwest...never.
by ALLpurpleEVERYTHING on Jan 16, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
You think those recruits will choose pick-pockets and thieves?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
If they think it will get them closer to realizing thier dreams of playing in the NFL?
Without question.
My initials have an invisible umlaut.
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 18, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, we're all glad about that and that is a most cogent point you make; everything needs to be kept above board.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
There is some INCREDIBLY delicious shadenfreude over on the ESPN boards.
Bears apparently hate Tupoi with a burning flaming passion forever.
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
I’d like to think that my fellow fans wouldn’t embarrass me, but that’s clearly not going to happen.
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
You’ll get a lot of sympathy around here….
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
They are seriously amazed that he took a new job with a massive pay raise?
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
After getting used to all the "Hey, Frost could do pretty well somewhere else. Best of luck!"
talk that often happens around AtQ, I was surprised at the vitriol being hurled left and right by some “fans”.
But, then again, I was pretty surprised at the anti-DT sentiments this week on those same boards, so maybe ESPN isn’t such a good barometer for fan graciousness…
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
by Brass-billed on Jan 16, 2012 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
The ESPN boards are cesspools.
One wonders how many of the members over there that were blasting DT are actual Duck fans other than “oooooh, shiny helmets are SICK” types.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 17, 2012 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
This
It’s why I don’t read them.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 17, 2012 6:20 AM PST up reply actions
I'd actually like to know why folks didn't like DT.
Seems like a nics enough, talented (d*mn, he IS fast), hard working kid.
Is it just about the dope?
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know anyone who doesn't like DT.
And…if they are pissed about weed, they probably aren’t alumni. Just sayin’.
As far as “damn, his is fast?” You might be confusing him with De’Anthony Thomas, “DAT,” “The Black Mamba.” DAT is almost cartoonishly fast, DT wasn’t even the second-fastest QB on our roster.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 17, 2012 1:07 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously. I had a post somewhere else on this. It's like 5 loud guys.
And the rest of it was us making fun of those guys.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 17, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
There'all fast. Makes me ill watching them blurr by our LB's
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Are you saying that the fusky LB's are half-fast?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
and you recognized the play on words?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
by Famous Duck on Jan 18, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
sure; just let it pass.
that’s just a little good natured ribbing.
If we manage to stuff (?!?) your run game w/ better DL play, then either rush your QB (that makes my head hurt) & cover your receivers I’ll be quick to sing “Happy Days are Here Again.”
I’m guessing that will take a little time.
I genuinely hope you enjoy your run on top. Beat U$C!
It’s our job to improve enough to challlenge you. We’ll work on it.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 20, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
I think mostly fans are upset that he left for another job in-conference.
If he’d bailed out for, say, Nebraska, there wouldn’t be this level of vitriol.
I hope.
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
I think you're right
They’ll win “the big game” this year and everyone will forget.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Is there suicide watch for sports blogs?
We might want to put CGB on it. The huskies just hired away ANOTHER of their coaches. Eric Kiesau, their receivers coach, is supposedly taking the OC job at washington.
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
He's only an OC in title.
In practice, Sarkisian is the OC, shouldering most of the game planning, calling plays, and making adjustments. Given the players that UW has on that side of the ball, they are in good shape.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
And to be fair
Maynard has derp fingurz.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 18, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry; intended as humor.
I actually bear Cal no ill will; heck we just had two coaches hired away as well, and canned some more. Just a little amazed at the HUGE reaction by Cal fans on blogs.
You woulda thought we pillaged, looted and raped their chunk of the Bay area.
and as noted below, I’m happy about his reputation for recruiting. sark is running the offense.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 18, 2012 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Two observations on this whole episode
- Given the complete meltdown on the hiring away of assistant coaches that’s occuring over at CGB, I’m more inclined than ever to think of Jeff Tedford as chopped liver. He seems to instill no confidence in his fanbase at all.
- Recruiting is getting too much credit here. See this.
Recruiting has virtually no correlation to success over the last three years in the Big East and the PAC 12
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
well, that's sort of a false argument
Recruiting as a whole in the Pac-12 doesn’t correlate, but that doesn’t mean individual teams don’t have a strong correlation to recruiting vs. ranking. Oregon actually does have a better ranking with better players; the teams from 2010 and 2011 did better than 2009, and that also coincides with really high ranked classes. But not so much that you’d get good Rsquared values.
Whereas Cal and USC and UCLA bring the class way down. all three have had loaded classes in the last few years and all have disappointed. Note that those three also happen to have suspect (or horrible) coaching.
Stanford is almost linear in improvement vs. recruiting ranking, however. At least while Harbaugh was there.
Ultimately recruiting, nationally, has a very high correlation with success in the NFL and success in winning college games. Some teams are better than others in using that talent but it’s almost always the case that the correlation is fairly sound when you don’t split it up too weirdly. The issue is that recruiting is also associated with good football programs; is it the recruits that make Alabama good, or does Alabama recruit well because they’re good? And that’s hard to separate.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
I think that was the point though
Whereas Cal and USC and UCLA bring the class way down. all three have had loaded classes in the last few years and all have disappointed. Note that those three also happen to have suspect (or horrible) coaching.
That is, even if you have good athletes, you still need coaching.
Well-coached Good Athletes > Poorly-coached Good Athletes > Well-Coached Poor Athletes > Poorly Coached Poor Athletes.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 17, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
At the same time, saying that recruiting isn’t a factor is silly. And I’d put it another way – all things being equal your program will improve if you get better players. That sounds really obvious, but there it is. That doesn’t mean that UW is going to become this monster team overnight or anything; I have my doubts on how great Wilcox actually is as a coach goes, not to mention Tupoi. However, it’s got to be an improvement over Holt, and even if he was as bad as Holt the team will improve simply because they’ll have better players.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
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