Tuesday Night Talks: Talking recruiting with Matt Prehm of DuckTerritory
by David Piper on Jan 24, 2012 10:10 AM PST
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PrintYour favorite dynamic duo, Matt Daddy and myself, are back this evening for another episode of Tuesday Night Talks at 9:00 PT. Of course, we'll talk about Chip Kelly and our first place Oregon basketball team, but we also have a special guest. We'll be talking recruiting with Matt Prehm of DuckTerritory.com. Find out if Chip Kelly's flirtation with the NFL will have an effect on recruiting, and if the Ducks can pull any rabbits out of their hat on signing day. As always, here is the link to listen live, chat, or call-in. And remember, you can always download the show the next day in podcast form at the same link.
I also want to encourage you all to check out DuckTerritory. There are a number of recruiting sites out there, but they really do an awesome job (and are having a 30-day free trial right now if you want to get the scoop between now and signing day).
In the meantime, this is your thread to talk about anything you would like us to address in the podcast.
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JConant made a bet with some husky fan about how things would end up in basketball this year. Essentially the husky fan said that Washington was going to make a push, Oregon would fall off, and Washington would finish more than 3 games up on the Ducks. I would love to here everyone’s take on whether or not JConant’s bet was a good one or if he needs to start saving up.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
There are two teams in the Pac that have the talent and ability to make a run like that
but are struggling recently. Uw and OSU. Could that happen? Yes. Will that happen? I highly doubt it. The one thing that has kept the teams like Stanford, Cal, Arizona and Oregon at the top of the conference this year is consistency. Oregon consistently plays defense. That means they will not get blown out of games. They may not shoot well for a game or two, but they aren’t going to go on that type of losing streak where Uw could make that type of run on them because of how they consistently play defense.
As for Uw and OSU, they are the opposite of consistent. Both of these teams have great talent and athletes in their 1-10 line up. But they are so inconsistent that they can beat some of the better teams, but will also lose some games where you scratch your head.
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Oregon basketball = consistent defense
Does not compute…
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
by Duckfanatic10 on Jan 24, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Husky homer; I recognize that face every morning in the mirror
More Hopeless Husky optimism. We’re agog over seeing ASJ join the team, and the kids play at least a little more like a team of late.
Though I do indeed hope you lose and my fellow Husky wins, I wouldn’t bet the house . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 25, 2012 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
We’re agog over seeing ASJ join the team
Why the hell is Sark allowing this? I get it if a kid wants to join who isn’t a big player on either team (like Jordan Kent playing football), but if ASJ tears or breaks something…
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Because presumably he's not a dbag
And presumably because ASJ wants to, Romar wants him to and it’s good for Washington. Plus it’s good for recruiting – think that all those football players only want to play football? It certainly helps Oregon get some commits if they can also run track.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Basketball is more dangerous than sprinting.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Pete Prisco said that Tampa should be thrilled that Chip stayed here because our offense is gimmicky. Do you guys agree that our offense is gimmicky?
The Legend
Agree
The Oregon offense is gimmicky.
Also
- Oregon can’t play defense
- Oregon plays soft
- Oregon not an elite team
- Oregon has no understanding of football schemes
- Our uniforms suck
- We owe everything to Phil Knight
- Oregon fans are the WORST
- ATQ is full of immature, giffing, ripping idiots
IT WAS POSTED IN A BLOG THEREFORE IT IS PROVEN.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 24, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Of course, for a grown-up, actual understanding of the Oregon offense, I refer you to
Fishduck’s most excellent site.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 24, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Note, that "you" was directed to the Tampa Bay crowd and Oregon sceptics, KJ, not you!
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 24, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I think they have it wrong that Chip Kelly would have brought our exact offense to Tampa.
But it’s a moot point.
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Death before chastity!
by Takimoto on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't you mean a moo point?
a point that doesn’t matter, like a cow’s opinion, which doesn’t matter. The point is moo
yeah, that’s a Friends joke. What, too 90s for you hipster from Frisco?
by OregonNYC on Jan 24, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
No way he would take our run based spread
Chip is a great coach and designs his offense around the players he has. He’d have run a pass happy offense with Freeman.
Anatidaephobia...
by theonetheonly55 on Jan 24, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
The concept that our offense is a "gimmick" is missing the point
our offense is designed to exploit numerical advantage and lack of discipline from the defense. These things (having more guys at the point of attack, forcing the d to make mistakes and to pick their poison) is the same thing as all offenses and is very fundamental. Whether it is old-school wishbone, play action or the triangle in basketball that is the basic goal of any offensive system.
Now, would the way we institute this fundamental offensive concept work in the NFL? Maybe not, athletes are much faster and more disciplined in the NFL than NCAA, but that doesn’t mean Chip is too dumb to figure our how to still achieve his fundamental offensive goals.
You're preaching to the choir.
As that ESPN gif someone (Tako?) posted yesterday, most of the US would like to watch the LSU v. ’Bama game again.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 24, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
the "athletes are much faster in the nfl argument" is stupid
i always hear this and its just dumb. People seem to think that only the defensive side gets faster in the nfl. well…….so does the offense. if fact, i would argue that the offensive side has much better athletes than the defensive side.
The biggest thing about the speed argument is the fact the
hash marks are closer to the center of the field so you don’t get the “wide side” to use your speed advantage on. Defenses are able to cover sideline to sideline easier.
The All I Saw Was Green Blog, that's it I'm telling SBN legal
He works for a big name sports company...
therefore, it must be true. Who am I, a lowly ATQ commenter, to disagree.
"It's not about style. It's about winning the game. That's it." - Chip Kelly
by Duckfanatic10 on Jan 24, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Does Matt Prehm have more twitter follwers than Matt Daddy?
If so, why isn’t he hosting?
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Any real chance that we could get get this kid out of Hightower, Texas? Addison, is that his name?
looked like a baller, and a student in and out of the classroom
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Love how absolute the NFL opinion folks are
It would have been the one fun thing about seeing CK in the NFL. Of course it would work- are you serious?
If 31 teams are valuing players the same way, to run nearly identical systems. And every defense must prepare to stop these same systems and tempos… Building a roster around speed, versatility, and having an actual spread offense guru who understands the passing game would work really well.
You only get 1-week to prepare in the NFL- two tops even for the Super Bowl. The spread offense Oregon runs is relatively common in the NFL- it is off the charts different then every NFL scheme (including Denver).
If you can get guys that fit your scheme- and are less desired by other teams in the league- you can build in offense with a low salary cost- so he can hire a great DC and dump a bunch of money on having a solid defense
Things that probably wouldn’t work- the whole depth thing… Every NFL team if full of NFL players front to back. Coaching up backups and playing them a lot- i don’t think translates to the NFL.
Look at New England
Anyone see the New England game this week? Pretty sure that is a pretty good example of the type of offense that Chip would run. Notice how when they ran the hurry up it caused Baltimore to play more of a base defense…more than just stamina and depth in running the Blur.
Not sure if all the running plays would work, but thats the thing. Chip would have adapted his O for the NFL game and the players around him.
Plus, getting players in space, one huge aspect for Chip’s O, seems to work just as good in the NFL. Just check out the run after catch yards for New England’s receivers. I don’t even like the Pats, but they make the best comparison
by mr_moriyarti on Jan 24, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
NE’s offense is modeled after something like the airraid (Leach) model more than the spread option, but there are lots of similar concepts – having players who can do multiple roles (TZR is a clear concept that NE and Oregon share), multiple formation looks from the same personnel, hurry up and quickly call plays and challenge mismatches, quick developing plays based on pre-snap reads. None of these things are alien concepts.
I think one thing that Chip would do is play at lightning speed. He would have his players conditioned better than ever before (that wouldn’t go over well until they saw results) and then go out on offense and run fast play after fast play. They might be fairly generic plays, mind you – but they’d be no-huddling and calling plays within 10 seconds. NFL players are often not remotely in the condition that can deal with that, and it would put massive pressure on defenses to perform – and that’s when he’d start doing more tricky stuff.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a really silly misconception
There are aspects that it uses from it – notably how it uses TEs – but those are common to all spread offenses, option or otherwise. It has a lot more in common with air raid than it does Florida’s spread, and simple film analysis shows that immediately. About the only thing that is used directly is the triple set screen to WR – but again, that’s common to a lot of spread offenses, including air raid.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
There you go again......
That’s a really silly misconception
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
by Famous Duck on Jan 25, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Depends on which definition of gimmick one uses
from the Collins English Dictionary
1. something designed to attract extra attention, interest, or publicity
No… Maybe
2. any clever device, gadget, or stratagem, esp one used to deceive
Yes
Agree
Don’t forget that we also employ street agents.
Yes, and so so a lot of other programs.
You can count me as one that would rather not see a new rule interpretation written in blood, even if it would be Duck blood. If your program really did violate an already recognized, previously enforced rule, then you should live w/ sanctions (hopefully similar to what others rcvd for same infraction).
If NCAA has ‘discovered’ stuff they don’t like for which there wasn’t yet a rule in place, they should wag there finger, go away and write the new rule in clear languange.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 25, 2012 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
Coug Fan
This may have nothing to do with this discussion but from one Pac-12 fan to the next, I’m glad to see Chip didn’t leave. Wish the best for the Ducks!
Thanks! We're pretty glad too, as you can tell :)
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 24, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Panic.
The link is not working ilke it usually does. It’s taking me to the home page, not the actually ATQ talk page. Can you fiz it or provide a search term.
"I thought we were going to see an @ESPN highlight where (DT) was gonna rip the knee brace off...like Forrest Gump running down the field." Chip Kelly
I figured it out.
If anyone else is having trouble here is the link. I could be wrong though. Nobody else is in the chat.
"I thought we were going to see an @ESPN highlight where (DT) was gonna rip the knee brace off...like Forrest Gump running down the field." Chip Kelly
hmm
now that the live show is over, you can just download the show on your IPOD or mp3 player, or stream the archive from Talkshoe
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
If you get a chance download it tomorrow and listen
Matt Prehm had some really good recruiting info for everyone.
Thanks to everyone that joined in on the call
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