Quack Fix: LaMichael James prepares for the NFL and a baseball preview
With signing day only a day away, this morning's quack is surprising light on recruiting news. The news yesterday was that Shaq Thompson has chosen washington over the Ducks. Here's the rest of your Tuesday fix:
- Rob Moseley checks in with LaMichael James, who is in southern California training and preparing for April's NFL draft. It sounds like James is still planning to enroll for spring quarter so he can earn his degree and take part in the summer commencement. Also, with his entrance into the twiitersphere, James has also been busy trying to market himself.
- Aaron Fentress has a feature on Oregon recruit Kyle Long, who went from a two-sport star in high school to playing baseball at Florida State where off-the-field issues led him back to playing football at a junior college. Long has one season of eligibility remaining, though he plans to petition the NCAA for a second.
- Bob Clark has a preview for both the Duck and Beaver baseball teams. It sounds like Coach Horton's biggest obstacle will be trying to replace some of the talent he lost to the pros. Oregon opens the season on February 17 in Hawaii.
- Finally, Charles has a new video up at fishduck.com. His latest post breaks down Oregon's dart play.
Go Ducks!
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Though it was discussed in other threads...
Hope he has a successful life, and as successful a football career as Jake Locker.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I read on twitter that some Duck fans were giving him a hard time over it, while it sucks we didn’t get him, it’s hard to get pissed(even if he’s a Husky) since it always seemed like we were behind Uw & Cal.
The Legend
Not real Duck fans, just idiots.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 7:20 AM PST up reply actions
yep, idiots
honestly, I never felt like we had a real chance with Shaq. I’m just disappointed he didn’t choose Cal.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
Greg Biggins is saying he supposedly bought a Ducks hat & had his name engraved then changed his mind don’t know how much I believe that though. He’s also saying another big thing is minor league baseball which Sark is going to let him play
The Legend
Let him play minor league?
I know there are exceptions that allow former minor leaguers to keep eligibility, but an NCAA athlete can’t be on scholarship and in a minor (paid) league at the same time. Or am I in the sarchasm?
in other words
they can, so long as they aren’t getting any endorsements
--Dave
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Thanks
can they play other pro sports while on NCAA scholly? Minor league guys can make good money. My HS classmate got a 70k signing bonus to his AA minor league contract, its not like they are playing for stipends and free gatorade. I bet lots of AAA guys make more than CFL, Arena football, even NBDL scrubs
Those guys are pretty rare, I think. Most really do make peanuts, especially at the lower levels, where Shaq is sure to be.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
it was touched in other threads...
and my sentiments exactly: a happy life and whatever the equivalent of 4-20 in the secondary is (maybe Taylor Mays knows)
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Meaning late hits and blown coverages?
"Screw them all" said Coach Chip Kelly, "trololololol lolol lol lol!
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Kyle Long will make an impact on the OL
Too bad he only has 1 year to play.
"Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing."
Vince Lombardi
Hoping he gets 2 years
he sounds like the kind of guy that has huge natural talent (when Howie Long says you are more talented than he ever was and he has 10 or so pro-bowls…) and needs some time and coaching to direct his talent properly. One year may be too short to see him reach his full potential.
It’s just slightly possible that Howie is being humble about himself and making fatherly exaggerations about his son. Still, it will be interesting to see what the kid can do.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Sure, fathers are not the most objective
but seeing how his father and #2 overall NFL pick brother can play I’m excited to see Kyle develop with good coaches and the right mindset
One year gives us time to groom Andre Y and the other youngsters
They say O-linemen take the longest to mature physically and learn the intricacies of an offense.
"Screw them all" said Coach Chip Kelly, "trololololol lolol lol lol!
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Was LMJ joking about running a 4.2?
I thought so, but Moseley seemed to take it seriously. I mean, he’s obviously really fast, but I don’t think he’s that fast
2012 Rose Bowl champions
I'm wondering if that was meant to be a hand-timed 4.2?
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 7:49 AM PST up reply actions
Electronically timed 4.2s pretty much don't exist
only 2 guys in NFL combine history (which uses partial electronic timing) have run below 4.24, half dozen others between 4.25 and 4.3. LaMike is fast, but I’m not sure he is quite there.
My take after reading it
Is that LMJ is referencing ‘a 4.2’ as anything in the range of 4.2 to 4.29. So, in the 4.2s rather than an actual 4.2.
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Still, only 10 guys or so have ever done that at the combine
It is a good goal to have, he’d be sure to elevate his draft standing if he could do that.
I remember someone saying that LMJ was only the 3rd fastest guy on the team last year (Dior Mathis and DAT being faster). Does anyone know if DAT is competing for UO T&F, and if so which events?
Yes, I heard that he is competing for T&F
I don’t know if it is both the indoor and outdoor season or just the outdoor.
He will run the 200 for sure, and possibly the 100 and relays.
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Nah.
‘SC isn’t even on the map in men’s T&F this year. He’s not going to change that by himself.
"Screw them all" said Coach Chip Kelly, "trololololol lolol lol lol!
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Besides, there was only one video of GF beating DAT in the 100m. DAT had the fastest high school 200m time last year.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
On the T&F note
I’m really excited for the PAC12 network to come online next year. T&F is such a great collection of sports and Oregon excels at it. I’d love to be able to tune in to it frequently
Mos Def
I apologize to those of you that’ve heard this story before, but I used to live in an apartment on 18th across from Hayward field. One summer as I flipped through the channels, I found the US Track Championship was being broadcast a mere several hundred feet from my head. Very surreal.
/nodrugsIswear!’d
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't it be funny if that was the only time GF beat DAT?
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
My good deed for the day, a reminder
For those of you who haven’t had a chance to go over and read this excellent article by Kleph, I’ll plug it again. Great story about Oregon’s history of innovation, and track history. Scandalously neglected, and a pitiful 1 rec only so far from me. Cmon, Duck fans!
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
Love reading the comments about Hayward.
As much as we love our foobal’ this is still Track Town, USA!
For Oregon, King Kelly, and St Quack!
And I hope will remain so!
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
Good read
Phil knows in the information age it’s not how much you have out there, it’s how much attention it gets. He’s been marketing the Ducks for awhile now, and it’s starting to show.
"Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing."
Vince Lombardi
that's one of the things i left unsaid in that piece
phil was always the marketing side and, obviously, nike is probably more about that today than what it was at the start. but bowerman’s approach to R&D was a key element of the firm’s foundation and remains part of it’s DNA. the ever changing football uniforms might be marketing brilliance but that intention of finding the competitive edge remains there too.
SB Nation's The Historical: Because all those games way back when matter.
I didn't know the Bowerman side of Nike
but I did know Phil Knights marketing philosophy. I knew he couldn’t have been behind the design, so thanks for “the rest of the story”.
"Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing."
Vince Lombardi
I would rec it, but it seem silly to sign up for that blog just to give a rec.
"It’s great with these group of guys. There is no panic in them." --Chip Kelly, Clearly NOT talking about members of ATQ.
@jblair26
by M. Fletcher on Jan 31, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Great story on LMJ
After packing several times to go home in his first year here; three years later he doesn’t want to leave.
"Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing."
Vince Lombardi
Too early to talking 2013 recruiting?
Oregon is apparently in the early top 5 for Rivals junior of the year Robert Nkemdiche.
It certainly is easy to understand what the fuss is about. A two-year varsity starter, Nkemdiche has recorded 38 career sacks.
He is large, yet agile. His explosiveness is off the charts. And, get this: According to his coach, he recently recorded a 40-yard-dash time of 4.56 seconds, something you’d expect from a receiver, not a lineman. Then again, he was also his team’s leading rusher when it won the Class AAAAA state title.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
good lord, we can't count on commits 2 days from signing day, what's the value of something some 700 days before?
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Not that it won't be exciting if we get this guy...
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, already one of the few five-stars in the 2013 class.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
That makes us the early #1 class ranking!
"Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing."
Vince Lombardi
by Lemurian on Jan 31, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
ATTN: stardux
- I don’t want to wait until tomorrow to find out what’s going to happen with signing day. Can you just tell me what the end of the story will be with all the recruits we’re in on right now?
- Also, can you change your name to Nostradamus?
Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall
The Great Eye saw it so
We’ll get Brostek, Allen, Addison, Harper.
If we have some spots open, that will leave the door open for some EE’s next class.
by stardux on Jan 30, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
Also, stardux, you owe me the lottery numbers. And I want to know if we’re going to beat USC twice next year so I can start on some vacation planning. Also, is my youngest son really going to be a doctor like he says he wants to be? Because I should think about starting to save for med school if that’s the case.
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Word is born.
Lottery numbers you ask? Here you go.
USC? No comment here, insert one of your guys’ fuck juju memes here.
Considering your sons oldest brother is a Marine (who wants to kill me), I’d say he knows a thing or two about work ethic so getting an M.D. isn’t an unlikely scenario. I honestly believe your son’s 8 years of tuition are hyper linked above.
LOL with the FB IPO.
Is it Google or Yahoo? Who knows? “This should not be considered an investment. Oh, wait.”
"Screw them all" said Coach Chip Kelly, "trololololol lolol lol lol!
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Thank you
but need to establish some ATQ relational clarifications. You are thinking of MCD Mom, who is my ATQ sister-in-arms. Her son is MarineCorpDuck, whom as you say, you ran a little afowl of (a-FOWL…get it??? ahahahahaaa…I kill myself) a few weeks ago. I myself have 2 kids elementary school age kids.
And that link is very interesting! I’m excited that you are expanding into finanicial planning as well as sports prognosticating.
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dangit...
Sorry Daisy, MCD, MCD Mom. Especially you Daisy, I hope I didn’t scare you into thinking your eldest was leading a double-life as a Marine/4th grader.
I can’t say whether or not your son will be a doctor but I will leave you with some parental advise. I strongly suggest signing up for DirecTV.
Tony Dungy now on DP show, wearing a yellow Ducks hat! Superbowl, baby!
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
He pimped us after the RB win on NBC too
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Good lord (OT of sports but still regarding college)
I’m looking at personal IRA investments for this year and wanted to open a 529 college savings plan as well for my as yet un-conceived kids as well. The calculator for monthly contributions told me to estimate a 7% yearly increase in college cost, which is exactly the same as the average rate of return from moderate risk investment, meaning I likely make up zero ground by investing, just tread water.
Why on earth is a 7% average increase in cost (6% for private and 8% for public, like UO) happening? Inflation is low, salaries are stagnant, what the hell is going on? This would mean I need to pay for 100% of the cost of my kids college with absolutely no benefit from compound interest or diligent planning. Bullshit
Decreasing state funding
Why on earth is a 7% average increase in cost (6% for private and 8% for public, like UO) happening?
The All I Saw Was Green Blog, that's it I'm telling SBN legal
it also doesn't help that we fire university presidents who actually try to confront that situation
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
But even private schools saw 6% increases over the last few years
Reduced rate of return on endowments? Seriously, this is a huge issue. My little sister paid almost 2x the tuition I did in my first year as she did in her final year, and inflation was only 10% or so over that 9 year gap.
It’s really everything, cost of health insurance for employees, cost of retirement, cuts to State funding (which is really only 7% of total contribution, cost Tenured faculty (instructors and PT make shit wage and are only year to year) and then cost of Admin, which would be your senior exec staff.
A sad truth is that we are getting to a point where a college degree may not be your best investment.
For Oregon, King Kelly, and St Quack!
and then cost of Admin, which would be your senior exec staff.
This. SO much this.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jan 31, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
it really is crazy
its becoming almost financially necessary to go to community college for two years then transfer because unless you have a scholarship or are wealthy, that extra two years at a University becomes extremely cost prohibitive.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
Yeah, my wife and I are comfortable middle class folks, and using that college savings calculator made me feel that even state school
was out of reach for me to pay 100% of even 2 kids college costs over 4 years at just a state school.
same boat
the wife and I have three kids. And, to compound problems, we’ll still be paying off our student loans for a few more years.
We’d love to tell our kids that we will send them to college debt free. Realistically, that’s not going to happen unless they choose to live at home and go to PSU.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
They can come to my school to finish their high school diploma
and then transition into a free year of college! Hehe. I work for Chemeketa, and that’s my shameless plug for our high school/college transitions program.
"Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do" -- John Wooden
START EARLY is the very best advice
And only expect to save 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of college. Consider that you are trying to establish a savings account to supplement what you will pay out of pocket when they get there. i.e. – focusing on saving enough for 4 years of tuition and books, and you’ll pay room and board out of pocket when they get there. I imagine very few people can save 100% of the cost of college, but you can make it WAY easier on yourself when they get there if you have a nice nest egg to draw from for expenses.
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To put it another way
If costs increase at the rate of inflation, about 2% per year I need to put aside $285 per month to pay for 100% one kid’s tuition and board at a state school. This is still spendy, but feasible I guess. If costs increase as they have been, at 7% per year, I need to put aside $780 per month for the same state school.
I'm just going to be honest with my kids
they can live at home and go to PSU, and I’ll pay their tuition. They can go to UO/OSU, and I’ll pay their tuition, but they have to get a job or take loan to pay room and board. If they go private or out of state, I hope they have a scholarship.
My parents didn’t pay for any of my college expenses. I want to leave my kids in better shape than that, but I also accept the fact that we simply cannot afford to pay full cost of attendance for four years.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
'SCUSE ME?!?!!?!?
They can go to UO/OSU
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
I chose what school I wanted to go to
and my kids will be free to choose theirs. I love the UO and would be thrilled if my kids chose to go there. But its their life, and get to chose their own path*
Unless they decide to go to uw. I’m won’t pay a single penny to that shitty institution.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
Yeah, it's lame
my parents could only help a little and my scholarship was partial so I ended up with loans, which I hated and still have some (luckily govt loans with like 2.9% interest), but as you said, it just doesn’t seem feasible to pay for it all for them.
Oh, and if they go to OSU, they will pay for it all themselves and I’ll take that 529 money and buy myself a boat
eh
what if a kid wants to be an engineer or a pharmacist or a vet?
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jan 31, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
I keed, I keed
but seriously, I’d be a big fan of whatever school they went to other than Uw or OSU. If they ended up at Illinois or UCLA or Boston College I’d go to games, cheer for the team, wear a BC hoody like a good dorky dad. Just not those two schools.
you live in NY
I’d rather keep my money (and, selfishly, my kid), in-state.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
It’s going to be hard for me to be objective about this. For me, it was absolutely the best thing in the world to go out of state for college. I would not be the man I am, nor would my relationship with my family be nearly as healthy had I gone someplace closer and seen more of them during my four years at school.
I was forced to grow up and take care of myself, but mainly I was able to gain some perspective on my parents and realize that everything they did was because they loved me. Everybody is different, of course, but I’m going to really encourage my kids to go somewhere that will force them to take more responsibility for their wellbeing. Of course, that means my wife and I need to work our butts off in the meantime to ensure that they’re prepared to do that at 18. That step can either be the healthiest thing in the world, or extremely dangerous if they’re not ready.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I think you can go to school in-state and still have that experience
But then, my wife lived with her parents in college, and had a great experience, too.
Its not so much about physical separation, as much as its about having autonomy. My wife lived with her parents, but they didn’t act like they were in charge of her anymore.
Its when parents still try to be a supreme authority figure when things go wrong. It also depends on the existing relationship between the parents and the child.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jan 31, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I think some people can. I’m pretty sure I couldn’t. It’s different for everybody. My youngest sister and I both went out of state for school, and we both feel that was absolutely the right decision. My middle sister went twenty minutes away to school, and she thrived there.
The hard thing is to parent based on the needs of your kids and offer them advice that’s best for THEM and not necessarily what worked for you.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Well, in states like California, Texas, arguably Oregon
they are large enough that you can be pretty far from where you grew up culturally as well as mileage. Someone from Redding CA going to SDSU is about as far as someone from Maine going to U of Virginia.
Yes, if I still live in NY 20 years from nowand my kid wants me to pay out-of-state tuition
so they can attend OSU I will know it is because they hate me for some reason.
/ZachBanner'd
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
This.
I got royally boned growing up in Idaho where there are no good architecture schools in state. That meant I had to go out of state and Oregon happens to be one of the best schools in the nation. But I have to take on a huge tuition rate for out of state.
by FromAutzenWithLove on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
My parents paid for my college, and I now wish they hadn't.
I had no appreciation of the sacrifice they were making, and as a result, I never put the effort into it that I should have. I was even academically suspended once because of my laziness. I did bounce back and graduate, but my GPA is still an embarrassment. When I went back later to get a post-bac (paid for by my employer at the time), I got a 4.0 because I put in the appropriate effort. I’m a big fan of delaying college, so I’m going to encourage my kid to join the military after high school, and take some time to figure out whether or not college is for him.
Fuck you NFL! Chip Kelly IS the highest level of football!
To be honest 18 year old kids aren't going to appreciate the loans either
I took about 5k/year in loans to cover the gap at UO and didn’t think twice about my expenses and didn’t work at all during the school year. I could have worked 10hr/week and bought worse beer and graduated without any loans but I didn’t
This is really interesting
I had a similar experience – my parents paid for school and I don’t feel like I was prepared to head off to school either. My first year was just silly – but then things settled down after that. Rather than letting my kids choose whether or not to go, I tend to be compulsive about “preparing” my kids to be ready to go. My sixth grader thinks I’m really a hardass, since he’s not even in high school yet and I’m really obsessive about his grades and study habits. But I’m worried that if they don’t go right away after high school, they won’t go.
Basically I’m a total wreck about the whole thing.
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It sounds like you care.
They’re lucky to have you as their mother.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Thank you :-)
It’s nice to know my neurosis might have a side benefit.
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Delayed college is scary to me for the same reason
I strongly considered going to get a Masters right after college, and ended up working instead to learn more about what I wanted to do. Now that I know I want a career in IT and business I’m too busy working and living my life to start an MBA. I’d be worried that by the time my kids found themselves at 22 or 24 they wouldn’t be able to switch into college undergrad mode.
I want my kids to at least try it right after high school
but if they aren’t sure about it, I’d rather them try it at Chemeketa or PCC than at a university.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
I agree
I’m trying to take this road too. My husband did go into the military straight from high school because there was no money, and then DID go back and get his degree. But so often I think young people get distracted and don’t go back to school so I really worry about it – right now I’m not even letting my kids think that there is another option. I’m telling them it’s 4 yr university or they’ll end up living under a bridge. Later when we get close, I intend to back off that hard line and explore realistic options, but I just don’t want them thinking about that now. My husband thinks I obsess way too much about it, and he’s absolutely right.
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Chemeketa
such a good route if you’re just staying at home and don’t care about the dorm/college experience. I did Chemeketa for two years to get all of my pre-reqs out of the way and then I went to WOU…saved a ton of money. But because I wanted to be an educator in Oregon I had to go spend more money on a masters degree. Yay Oregon!
"Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do" -- John Wooden
I did exactly this.
I wasted my first year at UO completely, dropped out and worked a $10/hr regular job for 4 years. Realized how shitty that was and went back totally motivated, and got my degree.
Some kids need to experience life without education before they realize how important it is.
And also,
At 25 I didn’t have to claim my parents income (a doctor and a pilot), so I qualified for a lot more aid.
I totally agree with the preparation part.
My bad grades in high school limited my college choices. My bad grades in college limited my grad school opportunities. I never would have thought I’d want any kind of advanced degree, but now I wish I had an MBA. I never considered that my priorities would change or that my plans for my life would get shot to hell, so I never cared about the consequences of closing doors that I could have kept open.
Fuck you NFL! Chip Kelly IS the highest level of football!
My kids are all 5 and under, but I have three of them, so this is something I really need to start thinking about. My wife and I are definitely proactive about their education – we feel it’s vital for them to put forth their best effort and to supplement what they’re learning in public school with additional things they might not pick up.
I know that the only reason I was able to get through college without massive debt (I’m still paying off what was originally $12k or so) was scholarships. If they want to go to college (and I’ll encourage them to do so), they need to work hard to get that free money. Join clubs, do sports, play music…even if it makes our lives busier. As long as they’re not burning themselves out, they’ll enjoy themselves, become well-rounded, and hopefully cash in on some scholarships.
Of course, we’ll pay for what we can, but I don’t anticipate being able to pay all of it, and I don’t even really want to, for the reasons CougarDuck talked about. You’re a lot more invested in it when you have a stake.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
My parents paid for college
I am glad they did, because I have no debt, but I didnt’ appreciate it either, but I also felt very unprepared. I never had to truly study in High School, I skated my way to a 3.5. But when I got into college and had to study I was totally unprepared. I don’t know whose fault that is, the high schools or my parents, or mine, but I will be damned if my daughter is not ready for college.
I guess that I agree with Daisy, I hear that happens a lot around here.
I went the army route in part because I didn't want my parents to pay.
The other part was that I was too undisciplined for college at the time, meaning if I’d gone right out of HS I would have wasted their hard-earned cash.
"Screw them all" said Coach Chip Kelly, "trololololol lolol lol lol!
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
funny, I was too undisciplined for the Navy, as it turned out
not a good match anyway. Though I regret missing the GI Bill assistance, and even the VA benes, it was good for me to work m yway through school (and it was only a $500-$600 a quarter!).
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I agree a lot
and for me it’s about having a serious conversation with my girls about what they want out of college. If the answer is “I don’t know” then we’ll talk about military or community college to give them time to figure it out.
If they have a specific occupation or career goal in mind, then we need to weigh the cost benefits of different institutions. So many careers don’t care about what school you attended, while others it is really important. Plus, as we’ve talked about on here multiple times, a lot of it is not necessarily what school you go to, but what you do while you’re there (network, extracurricular, associations, etc).
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Not trying to be "bodyspray creepy"
But how old are your kids?
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
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Is that why it got so quiet? 8-]
It was actually a serious question. I’m wondering when parents start talking to their kids about these things.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
I would start talking to them in like 7th grade
and get a bit more serious when they are freshmen. As HS teachers, my wife and I are amazed at how many students are seniors and don’t have any ideas about college.
The point isn’t to pressure them in 7th/8th/9th grade, more to make sure that they understand the importance of not screwing around and keeping their options open. The summer between junior and senior year is when the talks should get more tangible.
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I have these conversations with my 3rd grader
and my 6th grader is VERY aware of the decisions he’ll need to be making in high school. But as I established above, I am obsessive about this to likely an unheathy degree.
But I don’t know that you can start too early. My perspective is that kids should expect they’ll be going to college because that’s just what comes after high school. If they will be paying for all or part of their education, might as well start those discussions too.
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I lean more this way
than the delayed route, although I see the value in it. I never considered doing anything other than college after HS. The military provides good discipline and structure, not to mention the GI bill, but I wouldn’t be too thrilled about my kids joining (with utmost respect for those that took that route). If they just worked some meh job I’d be worried about them never getting going again academically.
It cause me a little difficulty.
On the second go-around, I was accepted by only 2 of the original 4. I probably would have gone to Cal if they had accepted me the second time.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
my parents
started talking about college with me at a very young age, making it sound like a fun place. We went to a Cal/Oregon State game when I was between 6 and 8, I always knew I was going to college, that really laid the ground work for talking about college seriously starting before high school.
5th and 2rd grade
And we’ve had small conversations, but they still involve a lot of dream world (I want to play basketball in college, I want to get a swimming scholarship, etc). I will add this though, it’s never too early to talk to your kids about their dreams, but the serious conversations for me will start in middle school, where the study habits and formations of future goals start to really take hold.
Right now they still live in the dictatorial world of me telling them what to do (do your homework before you go play, clean your room before you watch TV, etc). Starting in middle school they have to start making a lot of those decisions on their own and my job will be to guide and talk with them about the decisions they are making and the long term ramifications of those decisions.
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"2rd grade"
Is that pronounced “turd”?

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by Babablockhead on Jan 31, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that's third grade.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I originally wrote 3rd
then realized my daughter was in 2nd and forgot to change the “r”
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2rd
This should live on in our lore, much like threeve.
What grade are Matt Daddy’s kids in?
Oh, I dunno 2rd or Threeve.
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by Quack Addict on Jan 31, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
So bodyspray was being extra gross when he said he’d make passes at your daughters.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Probably not.
I can’t imagine there’s that much room in your mom’s basement.
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G.I. bill was the best investment I made.
It is no longer like this (you don’t pay a dime) but I payed in 1200 and received 36 months of college tuition and 36 months of rent. I wasn’t ready for college and the four years gave me a chance to party and mature enough to enjoy it.
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Same here.
4 years active duty then 4 years Reserve. I needed some discipline and focus, which I got from the Army. Plus I got to ride/drive around in M1A1’s and M60A3’s and make loud noises with huge explodey things.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
My husband did this too
it was great. But for every one of you that take advantage of this, there are 5 others that never claim that money because they don’t want to go back to school or give up their paycheck. That’s the thing I worry about.
My husband is still in the reserves 20 years later! He’s going to get retirement benefits at this point, so that is really cool.
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Still in the reserves?
I considered another few years but decided against it back then. But yeah, I still keep in touch with some fellas from my 2/11ACR days that became lifers. They don’t regret staying but don’t know what they’ll do after they retire. It’s not an easy question because they can retire at any time (having served 20 years active duty), but they can stay in until they’re 62 (the new mandatory retirement age).
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yes he is still in
He went straight in as you did after 4 years of active duty and he’s never left.
I wish like hell he’d retire, but he still feeling too involved to do so. It’s hard because the longer you stay in, the more responsibility of course – at this point it is no longer “one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer” – it is a complete lifestyle. He is a CSM and puts in so much time every month it is crazy. This is of course in addition to his full time “day job”. I sometimes wish he wouldn have gotten out years ago when the gettin was good. It is both a blessing and a curse.
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E-9 is an achievment.
You get to be a Command Sar-Major and you’ve got the respect of everyone in a uniform.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
To clarify
He is still in the reserves, not active duty. He will get a nice retirement from 20 yrs of service, but it is not the same as active duty retirement. He can’t start collecting it until he is of retirement age (63 or 65 or something like that) – it’s not like full active duty retirment where you start collecting it immediately when you retire after 20 yrs. Still, it is nice knowing that we have this added benefit waiting in addition to Soc Sec (haha) and 401ks when we do get to retirement age.
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I'll bet.
For me, I probably wouldn’t have taken the path I did if I had re-upped with the reserves, so it worked out for the better.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
So 11th Cav...weren't they in Germany?
Is that where you were? Or am I thinking of another regiment?
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Yup.
2/11 was in Bad Kissingen, 11Cav was HQ’d in Fulda, which most people associate with the entire regiment. 11Cav is now “OpFor” at the NTC.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
That must have been really great
Germany is so beautiful – especailly Bavaria.
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Rather than visit Stateside during my annual leave, my parents would meet me somewhere on the Continent .
I guess we did meet in London once, though. I’d spend the rest of my off-duty time wandering around as best I could. I also kept my ears open for special duty that would take me to other bases around Europe, even for a day or 2. It was pretty awesome.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
The truth is you can tell your kids the truth about the costs, and they will do what they want anyway.
My daughter, was able to get a Tuition Waiver, that’s right, waived, because my wife works at UAA. She chose to go to PSU. It’s amazing how quickly, they figure out that you weren’t kidding, about how expensive it is to live and go to school. Luckily for her though, my wife starts her new job at PCC, on Monday and my daughter can use a tuition waiver for her first two years there, because she now see the sense of saving money. We are very lucky that my wife has a job in higher ed, and can give her this opportunity, my wife and I both had to take student loans, and are still paying them off.
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I was lucky
My grandparents made smart investments and gave my sister and I a lot of stock to pay for our college but that’s rare..
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yep
my wife was very lucky. She had a fairly well to do uncle that paid her undergrad tuition at UO, and she got to live at home as she grew up just blocks off campus.
Most of her grad school debt was wiped away for teaching in a Title I school for five years.
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That is what is scary about the 7% increase in yearly cost
it throws investment and smart planning out the window. No one can reasonably expect to make over 8-9% interest per year over 20 years, so that means smart investing just keeps you even.
My wife and I chose this route with our kids
but it wasn’t due to strictly to monetary reasons. In SoCal, this is pretty common as the CC’s are pretty top notch and most of the professors come from the state colleges. For example, one daughter went to Santa Barbara City College then transferred to UCSB. Upon transferring, over half the staff was the same. In our case, why pay state tuition to get general ed out of the way. We have great transfer programs though which inst always the case. It also gave our kids a chance to test the waters in a slightly more relaxed environment. This was particularly import for our youngest who attended UCLA, which is notorious for axing undergrads. There was a huge financial payoff though. At the end of the first 2 years, there was no debt so the big bucks didn’t start rolling until year 3.
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Community college is really underrated.
I worked while I was in community college. When I transferred to the UofO, I didn’t work, but threw myself into nearly every student activity I came across.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed, community college is a great starter for many
especially for those that don’t have any idea what they want to focus on. My wife started at CC and realized that what she really wanted to do, her best route was a trade school and now she owns her own business. Instead of $10k+ in student loan debt, her school is paid off and she is doing a job she loves.
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Well, even if you do know what you want to do, it's a good way to save money.
Also, I dodged a lot of the “pitfalls” of college freshmen/sophomores.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
This is a question I have
and goes along with what Gorby said. I really want my girls out of state (more importantly out of my house) when they go to school. I know in Oregon it doesn’t work this way, but do any of you Cali people know? Can a kid go and live in Cali for a year and get in-state tuition as a resident? What if they are going to CC at the time?
In Oregon you can’t take more than 6 credit hours in a year and have to have a full time job for 1 year to get in-state tuition, but I know the Cali system is better in almost every regard, so is this possible?
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Most student aid is federal, so I believe the rules are standardized.
In order to qualify for in state tuition, an individual needs to live in the state for a year doing something other than going to school. You can’t go to school for a year and then, in year two, qualify for in state tuition.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I paid OOS tuition for two years at the UofO
My sister moved up to Seattle and lived there for a year or two before applying to dubs (much to my dismay).
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
From what I understand they can claim residency if the
show “intent to live in CA permanently”, which is vague, and, if they are in school, have to be financially independent (not claimed as a dependent on your tax return)
From quick research, it looks a little more vague than Oregon's (no school credit greater than 6 hours)
You have to not be a dependent on your parent’s taxes for 2 years (which if they go to CC for two years shouldn’t be a problem) show an “intent to establish residency” (which included registering to vote in CA, getting a CA driver’s license and surrendering all ties to a previous state) and be financial independent (this is pretty vague, but I think it goes with the not dependent on parent’s taxes).
This doesn’t seem like it would preclude a kid from moving to a Cali area and going to CC for 2 years, getting a part time job and an apartment and then finishing at a 4 year Cali school like Ucla or Cal Berkeley.
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how times change...
I remember when you could essentially go to a Cal university system for free, if you were a resident. Seriously. That was back before Prop 5, or 12, or whatever it was.
Then again, I remember my first tuition bill at Oregon in ’76 was $190. After paying $5600 for a full year at Reed (admittedly, this was with room and board), it felt like a real bargain. And for that $190 you could take as many credits as you wanted. Granted, this was 1976 dollars, and minimum wage was $2.35 or so, but still..
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I remember my dad remarking he went to law school in the late 60's for less than $2500.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I agree.
The University of California system has completely lost sight of it’s originally intended goals; to provide a quality education at a very affordable price.
In 2009, there was a THIRTY-TWO PERCENT (!!!!!!!!!!!!) tuition hike among the UC schools.
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$9000 was found for me to run loose for a year at Reed. And then tuition around $500 for UO. But perspective is important: I had a long running job as the janitor at Max’s, where I topped out at $55/week to clean it Mon-Fri. And all the pickled eggs I could eat. And I could sleep there in a pinch
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by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Current tuition / room / board at Reed
(before grants, etc):
$55,700 per year.
Guess that’s in line with Oregon being roughly 10x more now than it was 35 years ago. Still seems like a lot of money.
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which begs the question
why go to Reed?
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by David Piper on Jan 31, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
It's a liberal arts college that isn't on the east coast
It’s a fun place to go, especially if you’re a dirty hippie.
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I grew up 4 blocks from Reed
do you know it has a working nuclear reactor maintained by undergrads?
/glowinthedarktestes
Unsupervised, I'm sure.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You and your rules, maaaaan.
Where’s the closest Buffalo Exchange?
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Eastmoreland? Or Sellwood?
Eastmoreland is a beautiful neighborhood. I’d live there if I could afford it.
Sellwood, not so much.
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Sellwood is a bit trendy but full of beautiful old houses.
Funny how it went from frumpy and forgotten to trendy and overpriced in the span of less than a decade, starting in the early 90s. But Eastmoreland is awfully nice.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Eastmoreland is a suburb in the city
The homes are stunning but there is exactly 1 tiny store in the entire neighborhood and you have to drive to Sellwood to get a gallon of milk or a coffee.,
Grew up in Sellwood/Westmoreland and in Woodstock for a while from the 80s through college. My teacher’s salary mom is getting priced out of the neighborhood now that it is the cool place for urban up-and-comers, which sucks.
Well, Sellwood or out 39th to Powell.
But such is the price of living in such an area.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I had a few friends that went to Reed
I almost ended up going there too. I’d come up and visit. It was a cool college feel and felt a lot like what you see when you see any liberal arts college – insular, protected, a bit bacchanalian.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
I almost followed my grandma's footsteps to Reed.
At $10K at the time, too spendy and didn’t feel right.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
besides the fact that it's a great school?
where one might go to learn important things, such as, how to properly use the phrase “begs the question.” But I bet you could learn that at Oregon.
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
Oooooohhhh
I bet one who passes out those cards would be SUPER popular!
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I'll save 40K a year and use that expression improperly, thank you very much
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by David Piper on Jan 31, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Damn. I just realized I missed Paideia! Again.
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
Because they offer you a spot on the golf team
You guys should all send your kids to New Mexico if you want cheap college. Takes 1 year to establish residency, then if they have a 3.0 or higher they get an automatic full ride at the University of New Mexico or New Mexico State (via Lottery funds).
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And they have a spaceport!
AND ROSWELL.
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by Babablockhead on Jan 31, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
University of Portland isn't that bad, but it's gone up about 20% since I graduated about a six years ago
Full Time Undergrad – $33,640
Room – $5,660
Avg Board – $4,300
Total $43,600
Luckily I tricked the admissions into thinking I was smart in high school and walked away with only $16,000 in debt with almost nothing from my parents.
I ran the modern equivalent of my 1975 family financial status through Reed's cost calculator
and discovered that it would be much cheaper for me to attend Reed in 2012 than it was in 1975, mostly because of about $45k in proposed grants-in-aid that were not available back then, at least not to that degree. They estimate my 2012 out-of-pocket at about $3000, which is about $500 more than the student loans I had to take out back then.
So, things really are different now.
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They would need to live in CA for more than attending school
meaning they made a living there, didn’t move “home” over summers and, most importantly considering our topic of conversation, didn’t have their parents paying for their stuff from out of state as their main means of support.
From what I just read from some UC students your daughters would need to make enough money in CA to pay for their school costs and living without relying on someone else (you, grandma). If they can’t show that, they are dependent on out of state money and are not residents.
So yes, they could become residents
but you’d have to largely cut them off financially and not claim them on tax returns.
Sounds like a deal to me
I’ll tell my daughters that if they move to Cali and are able to live and take care of themselves for 2 years (i.e. pay rent, bills, and CC costs) and are able to get into a school down there, they can take out loans for their 2 years of undergrad and I’ll pay them off when they graduate.
First it throws them into the whole, if you’re serious about school, you’ll make this work system and they won’t screw around. Second it gets Cali education at in state costs and third, it gives me 2 extra years to save and pay off their loans when they graduate.
Sort of like an in home GI bill without having the responsibility of joining the military.
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Yes, i belive its 1 year to establich residancy
And amazingly a ton of kids come to Cali to go to JC. Its seems crazy to go out of state for CC, but the upside is pretty big. I dont know about up north, but in SoCAl, for UCLA, a lot of kids go to College of the Canyons in Valencia which has a great transfer program to the UC system so most kids go there to transfer to UCLA. Get their gen ed out fot eh way and then pay instate tuition to state school. I dont know what the tuition is at the CC level the first year while residency is established though.
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When the time comes, might wanna look into this program:
http://wiche.edu/wue
Western Undergraduate Exchange: ‘Students who are residents of WICHE states are eligible to request a reduced tuition rate of 150% of resident tuition at participating two- and four-year college programs outside of their home state.’
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by Occam's Blazer on Jan 31, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
When I entered Grinnell
The full cost was about $29k. Its now $43k 11 years later and that’s still only 90% of our peer institutions (as per school policy, being located in the middle of Iowa means lower costs).
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University cost increases
This book (on my phone so I’m sorry to say the link won’t open a new window) does a pretty good job explaining what’s going on. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0674009886/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1328041369&sr=8-1
Basically, science costs more, tons of kids want to go to Harvard and Harvard sets the prices and state support is declining generaly while at the same time for every dollar state schools increase tuition the state decreases funding by more than a dollar.
It’s an interesting book but it doesn’t sound like there’s much hope for anyone with children.
by builds character on Jan 31, 2012 12:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What a great subtopic from somebody who works in the financial field with 529's and the like
We have these conversations with our clients all the time and its a tough pill for a lot of people to swallow, especially when you consider that many times the money you try and put away for college, you aren’t putting away for your retirement and as we say sometimes, you can’t take a loan out for retirement.
So are you saying
I should put more money in my 401k and less in my 529s???
PANIC.
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My 401k is now a 104b, unfortunately.
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
Umm to be perfectly honest my professional license forbids me from giving specific advice over the internets
but it is something you may want to look into more in depth.
I'm just joshin' you
but I am going to go home and tell my husband that an anoymous guy on an internet sports fansite told me that 529s are bullshit.
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Anoymous
I hear this typo in Costello’s voice of Abbott and Costello
HEEEEYYYY ABBBBOTTT! There’s an anoymous rat our here!
Haha
That’s awesome – it’s totally stuck in my now head too. Which is also really funny considering I’m only 29.
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Which is also really funny considering I’m only 29

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I believe one of you.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Ok, well then why don't you want to be 25? 23?
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Because those are silly ages.
29 is way cooler than 23, at least in my experience.
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by lovemyducks81 on Jan 31, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
Only a 19 yr old wouldn’t understand why 29 is so great.
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I am actually 29, and life is good. Three boys, and I’m young enough to keep up with them, plus a beautiful wife, a steady job…
It’s a good age for me, that’s for sure.
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I hate you. I hate you right now.
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by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if it was my best year
But that’s the year I dated some of the hottest women of my life.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Ahh 29
The perfect age to be a man. Old enough to be mysterious to college girls, but not creepy old.
Young enough to be a novelty to the 35-45 year old divorcees without looking like their children.
Let’s just say that 29 was a good year for the Halfwit.
by H Stands for Halfwit on Jan 31, 2012 5:05 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
I think he had some penetrating insight, right there
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
I can only speak from personal experience.
Though this has always “worked” for me: treat women with respect and you will be rewarded.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
haha its all good
I don’t think 529’s are bullshit, they have their place especially with the Oregon MFS plan, you can write off those deductions on your state taxes. You can also open a basic plan and have family members contribute to them which makes it much easier, it is just something to keep in mind and also I have to stay FINRA compliant especially since i am posting on my work computer lol
What's worse, FINRA or FASB?
I vote FINRA.
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I’m with you. FASB is too smart for their own good a lot of the time, but the rules (mostly) make sense and have a purpose. They’re just convoluted.
FINRA has created an endless series of hoops to jump through, and enforces the jumping through those hoops to ridiculous extremes. My company has been trying to register a private placement to sell through our BD, and the FINRA people we’ve dealt with have been willfully ignorant about the way our company works, and have gotten hostile when we tried to explain things to them. They refuse to help us. It’s been a painful experience.
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I will never say a bad thing about FINRA...
on this computer
by lostkauze on Jan 31, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Our 529s
are through the Oregon college plan – we do like it because of that Oregon tax write off which is very nice. It’s really the only reason we are still there since the performance of the plan has been beyond abyssmal.
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There's another state (maybe Utah, but don't quote me on that) that allows you to invest in their 529.
It’s a better program and is open to everyone regardless of where you live. I’m sorry I don’t have more information, but it might be worth researching.
Fuck you NFL! Chip Kelly IS the highest level of football!
No, recently is much better
I was speaking from a longer term perspective. We’ve had them since 2004, and those have been some very volatile years. It has been better since they changed plan managers about 3 yrs ago, but when Oppenheimer was managing it, performance was not good.
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Speaking of market
I’m not going into details of my financials for you guys, but I’m looking at dabbling in some investing. WITHOUT ANY POLITICAL MUMBO JUMBO OR THAT SORT OF CRAP, what would you recommend a college kid look towards, whether it be general areas, or specific stocks/bonds/ec.
First person to say “Beer, Pot, or Hookers” gets the death stare.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
A copy of Pulp Fiction.
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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 31, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
You're the accounting guy, let someone else make the jokes please
/youknowthisisprobonoright?
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
In all honesty, I’m not much on the investment front. So I can’t help you there.
The best investment I made in college was in a good woman who’s now my wife.
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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 31, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Booooooooo
I figure with all the people talking about college, economics, and other life stuff, now’s a good time to interject.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
You invested in her?
Is she a mail order bride?
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Tru dat.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
A mutual fund is probably a good place to start. Look for one that invests primarily in beer, pot and hookers.
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Yes,
A good spider index based on beer, pot and hookers.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
You should start reading about investing first
Whatever you do invest in, you should have a sound knowledge of how it works and not just expect others to do the work and have your best interests in mind.
IE
Get drunk, go down to 5th and Blair and smoke weed with some hookers tonight.
Is that east or west of Agate alley? May need to check the map.
"Stay the $#%& away from the Pelican’s PBJ!!!"
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I'm not clueless by any means on the subject
I have ideas in mind, but I’m curious if any of you did that in college or just held onto what you had for post-school.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
I didn't invest a thing in the future
until I was out of school, married and gainfully employed.
You’re ahead of the game for even thinking of it now.
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I'm lucky enough to have a substantial college fund and parents with the means to fill in most of the gaps
Long story short, my grandmother gave me some stock when I was born that is now paying for a large chunk of my education.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
No pot for me
But definitely beer and hookers.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Banks, Banks and More Banks. Only Banks. Bigger the Better.
Just don’t mention it when trying to pick up Occupy girls.
[DISCLAIMER: all investment advice herein is of facetious intent and should not be relied upon for actual investment strategy.]
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
whats your goal with the investment?
Are you looking for a short term gain? Long term value and growth?
Something that might be there when I'm done with school?
preferably I wouldn’t have to access this money as long as I keep a job and don’t get addicted to crack during school.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
actually check that axe...
Me saying much of anything is kind of a no no on a message board and I don’t need that kind of scrutiny in my personal life. However I can point you in the right direction if you want to shoot me an email or something.
I let Captain Morgan handle my investing in college
I’m not sure where it all went
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
I went with the investment firm of Seagram, Jameson, and Cuervo.
I’d highly recommend it. I don’t have any money, but I’d still highly recommend it.
Addicted to Quack
Death before chastity!
Short SPXU, and leave it shorted. It cannot possibly go up over the long-term.
No one will care about your money as much as you. If you just hide it away in some professionally managed account, you will probably be disappointed by the results. Take the time to learn about different investment strategies. Ignore the guys trying to get you to pay for their tips. Good, free information is out there if you look hard enough. And open a practice account so you can test your strategies without risking actual money.
Fuck you NFL! Chip Kelly IS the highest level of football!
ok that makes sense
Oppenheimer kind of got their hands slapped for putting people in terrible funds…
I kinda think that the whole "in-state vs. out-of-state" tuition thing is really antiquated
and that sometime in the next 10-20 years we might see a complete overhaul of the entire tuition system. Just a hunch. (Until stardux says it, I won’t really believe it.)
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by ProbablyMonty on Jan 31, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Many reasons
1. Decreasing state funding (as people said). This is the biggest. Taxpayers don’t want to pay for it anymore so someone has to.
2. The cost of athletic programs (not everywhere but in many schools this is a big driver).
3. Health insurance coverage for employees that keeps going through the roof
4. More and more administrators with 6 figure salaries
5. Nice dorms and other amenities that didn’t exist 20 years ago. Competition for students costs money.
At different schools, these factor in differently. But this is the general gist.
Who is not making the money are professors. Except for Law and Business professors who get very high salaries theoretically because they have to compete with private practice, although this is somewhat dubious.
There is a growing school of thought that College is simply not worth the expense
Most degrees do not actually prepare you for a career and you’ll be saddled with enormous debt….
I have no idea how to approach this, other than save what we can in the 529 plan for our two children. When the time comes they will have some hard decisions to make.
There needs to be more options where people can be trained in an actual job rather than just “get an education”. My English degree was utterly useless in finding work after school. It did give me the tools to be successful, (critical thinking, writing, formulating and defending opinions, etc). But if I hadn’t found someone willing to actually train me in a job (commercial appraiser), then who knows what the hell I’d be doing.
My parents believed in me.
you end up like me
and get stuck being a substitute teacher because the economy tanked the job market for teachers
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
Ironically
that’s what initially wanted to be. My sophomore year the UO cut their education department as a response to Measure 5. I didn’t want to transfer to Monmouth so kept on my English degree. The high school teachers who inspired me to consider teaching told me to find a different career because teaching in Oregon was going downhill…
My parents believed in me.
My degree is also in English
I have felt that it actually prepared me quite well for a career in business. Now, I’m not in finance or accounting of course, but as far as general business/management goes, I feel like it was a good starting place.
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I feel like college helped me mature and prepared me for life. In my case, it also helped me get a job, since I majored in accounting, and I still use some of the knowledge and skills I gained in my classes.
I certainly agree that you need to question the wisdom of pushing college above all other options, but my time there was so valuable, it’s hard to put a price tag on it.
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I'm glad to see that you feel your accounting degree has helped you.
I am definitely taking a good hard look into going in that direction.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz<< snore>>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Sorry, just had a flash back to my accounting classes
I keed, I keed, Gorby. You know I love you bean counters.
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It’s not for everybody. I have a head for numbers. Spreadsheets excite me. What can I say?
/probablysaidtoomuchalready
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I will say, I’m pretty proud of my 10 key ability and I have Lotus 1-2-3 and Excel to thank for that!
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If nothing else, it’s going to introduce you to firms. Unfortunately, they’re not hiring nearly as much as they were when I got out of school, but they definitely still need people. In this regulatory environment, there are all sorts of new things for auditors to sign off on.
And if you work hard as an auditor and have some fortune, you can get out of the audit firm in four years and get a job working reasonable hours for decent pay.
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I did finance at UO
If I had to do it over, I’d definitely go with Accounting.. LOT more applicable.
My generation is still getting reamed in the ass by Measure 5. If I could kick one dude in the nuts with just all my effort, it would be Bill Sizemore.
Things like that.
You can have my shoe to do it with.
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
As someone who's in grad school working on a PhD with the explicit stated goal of being a professor somewhere
I agree. Way, waaaaay too many people are going to college right now. Why technical training fell out of favor with the public is beyond me, but it should come back, and pronto.
This whole “everyone must go to college thing” is not only a complete lie, but it’s totally antithetical to the actual mission of a college. It can ruin your personal finance — particularly when it gets marked unquestioningly as “good debt” by analysts — and can give you absolutely nothing to show for it in return.
Everyone should have the opportunity to go to college. Not everyone should be exercising that, and we should stop demonizing those who make a different choice.
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by ProbablyMonty on Jan 31, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with a lot of this
There are a lot of good middle class jobs to be had in the trades. At one point, I was going through the process of pondering a career change, and it seemed like all the job listings were for electricians and welders.
It’s extremely frustrating as an educator that we pretend everyone has to go to college, and set up all of our high school curriculum around that. Woodburn has great woods and metals facilities that have been completely abandoned while they try to force way unqualified (and unmotivated) students to take IB Chemistry and Physics classes.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
In Highschool, we were worried that my younger brother would stick and stay in school. But he graduated, in no small part because our principal brought back auto-shop, and that was a program that my brother really got into and it gave him a reason to show up. Students loved that principal because he took a broader view of student needs, which of course got him fired before too long. Because there apparently aren’t enough single-minded college prep mills.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
I should also say
that when I talked above about expecting my kids to go to college, trade school counts, IMO.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
Speaking as someone who recently had to make that call
It was expected I’d go to college, but not required so long as I wasn’t just taking the money and heading off to Santa Fe.
That being said, if I was interested in a field that didn’t require a college education to be viable in, I probably would have thought long and hard about my options.
Seriously, fund Metal/Wood/Auto shop, bring back culinary programs, fuck it bring back all the applied arts.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Pretty much this.
What’s also frustrating to see is then the degree creep in the job market – bachelor’s being expected where they’re not necessary just because so many candidates have them, master’s where it’s not necessary, and then especially in education PhDs being required or strongly recommended where they’re not necessary or even counterproductive, but the universities/colleges/community colleges do it basically because they can, since there are so many unemployed PhDs and so few positions free.
Good luck in your track and afterward. I’m doing law, so I guess I’m in a similar boat.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
Good luck to you as well.
Not looking forward to entering the job market when I get there, but… it is what it is, and I promised myself that I wouldn’t worry about the job market until I was done with the dissertation. (This is a useful self-defense mechanism for me.)
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by ProbablyMonty on Jan 31, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
I went to college, and got a degree Environmental Studies
I found work, but it didn’t pay much, and didn’t offer benefits. I had worked as a carpenter while going to college, and found that I could make a lot more money, with benefits building. If I had it to do again (knowing what I know now), I would have gotten an apprenticeship. They start out at 50% of Journeyman, which in Alaska is $38/hr. After 4 years, you are full Journeyman, it is not unusual for a 22 year old Journeyman in Alaska to make $60-$100k per year with pension, and benefits. WITH NO DEBT. I tested in and work occasionally as a journeyman. But it is not a bad way to go at all.
With that said, I have no regrets, getting my degree, there are a lot of tradespeople with college degrees. I use a lot of math, and it is challenging fulfilling work.
"What the hell was that?"
"Spaceball One, they've gone to plaid!"
/nods
@LstTimeUWBeatUO Last Time UO Beat UW Shaq Thompson was in the 4th grade. #LastTimeUWBeatUO
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Reverse it
Last time UW beat UO man…:-)
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
or that the last time UO beat UW
Shaq was a senior in HS
"If there is one thing Oregon fans know how to do, it's drink beer, smoke weed, and party in the rain." -Dizech (on r/CFB)
by theonetheonly55 on Jan 31, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
NFL ties
It can’t be a bad thing that the offspring of NFL legends continue to be attracted to Eugene. Dungy, Long, Mathews…who else am I missing.
Tony Dungy and Howie Long are very visible and active personalities…the more we get nods, the better.
Sucks about Shaq….
They know the future of football when they see it.
CK has revolutionized the game, as NFL teams are beginning to see.
"Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."
Vince Lombardi
OT: But from the article that gamedaytribe linked above and was front-paged yesterday.
But I seriously love this picture.

by FromAutzenWithLove on Jan 31, 2012 10:17 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
I wonder if KEZI still has that broadcast truck?
"Stay the $#%& away from the Pelican’s PBJ!!!"
Go Fish, Get Hooked! www.FishDuck.com
by keeerrrttt1 on Jan 31, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
That looks like the same truck that sells “Tacos” next to the apartment complex on 82nd Ave.
by JonathanPDX on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not a very smart choice of vehicle
Pre doesn’t look like he can carry very many tacos.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
thanks for le quack!
Sucks about Shaq. But you can’t get them all. Looks like we have a very nice recruiting class once more. And it really comes down to the coaches and how we use the recruits more than how many stars they have next to their names. Granted 5 star talent is always nice to see :)
I see another BCS bowl on the horizon for us this year. Maybe even a natty.
GoDucks!!!
ssshhh....
by OregOnDucks on Jan 31, 2012 10:27 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Our class is good this year
but the PAC had a nice year overall. Cal fell off a bit, but still a decent class. USC had, as always the top level athletes in a small class. Uw did well, UCLA made moves as well.
Interesting that the new big name coaches at WSU and Zona weren’t able to make many shiny recruits come their way.
Oh, and I think next year will be pretty cool for UO football
Oh, and Furd should have an awesome year on the lines
setting up continued O-line dominance. Even OSU has a nice class
Wazzu will pull in some juco kids, you watch.
The Detestable Mister Leach will pull a rabbit out of his pirate hat.
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
Look for Leach to put the full court press on
Max Browne from Skyline in 2013. A 5* QB from the state of washington in Leach’s system would be awesome to watch.
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I think there is a very good chance he'll get Browne much to Dawg Fan's chagrin...
… but Max has been telling his friends that he’s looking forward to going out of state. Going to Pullman is like going out of the country.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Many of the top recruits haven't made their decisions public yet
But it’s so very weird to look at a list like ESPN 150 and see a lack of $C commits.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
I know.
It’s just….weird.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
The good captain
Never got great recruits at Texas tech and still did really well so I’d expect him to be a lot like Oregon in picking up guys who fit his system and making them shine.
by builds character on Jan 31, 2012 12:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
FFS, people! Get it together!
Tomorrow is NSD!
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 AM PST reply actions
As a healthcare tech executive, I applaud the continued reliance on fax machines on National Signing Day.
Somehow, I feel a little less anachronistic around this time of year.
Andy McNamara @McNamaraUO
Just confirmed the fax machine in the football office is operational. One of these years it will run out of toner & we’ll be doomed #goducks
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
Tradition
uses fax machines on NSD.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Ah, the Tubes.. Fond memories of the tubes
As far as I know they’re still using them at McKenzie-Willamette.
Once I put the arm off a baby doll and an apple into a tube and sent it to maintenance. They didn’t get it. Wrote me up for sending biological materials through the system (no joke, it’s probably still in the record).
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
Those maintenance guys
have no sense of humor. I think they all went to UW.
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I suppose the write-up was their equivalent of calling SBN Legal.
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
Was it a green apple?
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Probably. It was a crabapple IIRC
The tubes didn’t have a large enough diameter to handle a Granny Smith. Plus the weight would have been a problem. Tubes with big charts were always getting stuck somewhere.
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
Sounds like they need to see HRD.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Paperless office, they have not...
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
Scott Kennedy posts his All-Decade recruiting team
Two Ducks on it. Three, if you count CH13.
Regarding AA:
Arik Armstead was born to play offensive tackle. He’s got Jonathan Ogden size and ability. Problem is, he thinks he’s a defensive lineman. I don’t say this lightly that he’s the best pure offensive tackle prospect I’ve ever scouted. He can be a serviceable, even all-conference type of defensive lineman, but he can be one of the all-time greats on the offensive line. Here’s hoping…
What are the odds he reconsiders? Based on the videos he looks like he could be one of the all time great run blockers. He’s a damn road grader, at least against HS opposition.
So he wants to play D. The rap on him as a DE is that he “takes plays off”. Don’t think he’ll be able to get away with that, but does he have as much potential as a DE as he does on the OL?
I've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation of the sequel to my life.
I don't necessarily disagree.
Although from the video I saw he was equally dominant on D.
Either way. I’d rather him be an all-conf DE on our team, than an all-world OT on someone else’s.
"Takes plays off"
As in shitty motor?
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
To paraphrase Dr. Seuss,
“An athletes an athlete, no matter how small”… or something like that
by FromAutzenWithLove on Jan 31, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I know it's not a fair comparison
But every time I see someone saying he’s wasting his talent playing defense I think of how much better DAT would have been as a CB.
by builds character on Jan 31, 2012 12:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not sure I understand this statement. You think DAT would have been better at CB than in his current role?
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Seconded.
No unnerstan.
"Screw them all" said Coach Chip Kelly, "trololololol lolol lol lol!
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
If I may...
DAT was recruited to $C as a DB. Der Kiffermeister now says he would have played DAT at RB (duh=they have very little depth there), but he never told DAT that.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Thinking he was going to be pigeonholed, he scheduled a last minute visit to Eugene.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
I think he took a look at the wide-open spaces our offense created and made the logical decision.
The trip was likely made to simply get a feel for the campus. Maybe we’ll know the whole story some day, but he’s here and that’s all that matters.
"Screw them all" said Coach Chip Kelly, "trololololol lolol lol lol!
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Word.
I was just thinking the same thing.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
He stated that he had been thinking a lot about Oregon since the middle of the 2010 season, and had been talking with the coaches for the latter part of the year. It wasn’t a spur of the moment thing.
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Re: "not so fast my friend," Fair enough.
The narrative we were given was that DAT wanted to play a position that others didn’t want him to play. I think builds character is alluding to a possible similarity (i.e. AA wants to play DT or DE, whereas, everyone else thinks he should play OT). I don’t know if this is true, but that’s the point I think he is trying to make.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
The "SC wanted him only at DB" thing has been pretty thoroughly debunked.
Our 2 occasional SC contributors have made a pretty good case supporting that conclusion. Apparently it was the blogosphere that created that rumor and solidified it into truthiness.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
At least he was able to get away from the gang bangers.
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by Quack Addict on Jan 31, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he's not a punk...
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Can you tell me more about this?
Why would someone be so kickass on the OL and only serviceable on the DL? The roles seem so similar to me. I don’t have much of an understanding of the different needs of those positions.
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There are those who are speculating he can keep his weight down and play hoops if he stays at DE.
Whereas he’d have to bulk up to play his natural position, left tackle, at which he might be All-World if he chose to do so (according to some).
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
So he'd be all world
at either DT or OT? It seemed like the distinction the guy was making was between the OL and the DL, which is what confused me. But if he’s just talking about DE, I suppose I see that.
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The demands for OT and DT are still slightly different. DTs tend to be more agile.
“Different, but same.”
I’d rather the guy follow his passion and figure it out on his own.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
He's a DE on defense, not a DT/NG.
Too long for DT/NG.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Although Bair was very tall as well.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
No, he's just a really good recruit at DE.
He’s the top rated player in the country at OT.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, he is ranked as the 6th or so best DE in the nation, not even a 5* (gasp)
and at least by some as the #1 overall recruit when at OT.
So, I say that Chip gets the chance to review him in practice against guys better than his HS competition. If the difference is that extreme it is time for a sit down. If he can start as a true freshman at OT and mostly sit on the bench at DT or even redshirt he’ll make the decision to move to OT.
The other thought is the NFL
There are very few great DEs that are that big in the NFL right now. It’s a possibility, but it’s unlikely. Also, you can make a lot more money if you’re a great OT than you can as a good DE. If he is more concerned about his future career in the pros that might be a good incentive to send him over to the OLine.
But honestly, he’s a great athlete and a good kid. I’m happy wherever he ends up.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
The same could be said for DAT
Honestly, there are 100 CBs in the NFL with his stature and other than Sproles, who is very successful, not a lot of slim built RBs or WRs.
And Sproles isn’t exactly slim – most “small” NFL RBs are also built like beer kegs. It’s hard to see DAT ever growing in to the RB role enough to find a significant home at that position in the NFL.
I still think he does have a great shot to be a coveted prospect on offense and to make a lot of money on draft day, but as a WR/Return Specialist in the DeSean Jackson mold.
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DAT is a Percy Harvin clone
Harvin would be doing a lot more for the Vikes if he didn’t have problems with migraines all the time.
Another similar one is Steve Smith of the Panthers
He’s not tall, he’s not super buff or anything but he’s fast and he runs great routes and has really good hands.
Though the correlation isn’t as good; there simply aren’t that many CBs that are going to get paid huge bucks one way or another.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Some reasons
OL needs reach and it helps a lot; DL has some issues with reach as it reduces some leverage.
DL wants to get under pads. Being taller makes this harder.
OL is big on footwork technique. DL is much more about handwork.
OL is about engaging and staying engaged; DL is about shedding and getting by.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
I was going to say something similar but not nearly as smart. I’ve read that his size and length would be a great advantage at controlling the opposing player as an OL, but not equally useful at creating leverage as a DL. We’ll see what happens when he gets to Eugene, I hope he is successful at either position. But it sure would be awesome to finally have a true dominant force on the OL.
DE is different than DT/NG though.
You’ll see more “long and rangy” ends than DT’s, who tend to be the 6’3"/330 types. Haloti is an exception because while he’s tall, he’s not “long.” He’s a flesh mountain.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I have always figured
that DEs, on our team anyway, tend to be much more LB-ish than DT-ish.
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Even on NFL teams.
Many pro teams have “rush ends” who are essentially (slightly) over-sized linebackers. Depends on the base defense.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Jevon Kearse and Dwight Freeney are examples.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Nick Reed is our best example
He wasn’t an oversized LB, he was an undersized LB playing DE. But he had speed and great technique to get around slower but bigger linemen.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
It really depends on the formation we’re running. Will Tukuafu, and later Terrell Turner were both DEs, and they were both in the 265-275 range, and did not play the drop end position that Kenny Rowe or Dion Jordan play, which is much more like an outside linebacker.
Armstead should immediately compete for playing time for Terrell Turner’s old position.
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You're thinking of the drop ends (Rowe, Jordan)
The DE on a 3-4 tend to be more agile and little lighter than the DT/NG. Look at Brett Keisel DE Pitt (6-5, 285) or DeMarcus Ware DE Cowboys (6-4 260) versus nose guards like Ngata, Vince Wilfork or BJ Raji.
The issue for Armstead will be his height (6-8). He’s not out of range weight wise at 285, but if he adds more he’ll be better suited for the offensive line. His height makes it difficult for him to get under the pads of O-linemen. It will be interesting to see if he has the footwork and speed skills to get up the field and create pressure on the edges, and if he stands up too tall, it will be easier for O-linemen to stay engaged and push him around (no matter what his weight is).
What will be interesting is if Aliotti goes to more 2-4-5 formations, especially with the number of passing teams in the conference now. A Heimuli/Armstead or Keliikipi/Heimuli or Keliikipi/Armstead front two should allow Oregon to still stop the run while putting another speed skill guy on the field and bring even crazier formations.
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I made the distinction about NG's though.
And that AA is a bit long and rangy. If it were up to me, I’d superglue him to the left tackle position permanently. But it’s not.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
the more I think about it the more I like him on the D-line. You combo two of the Heimuli, Hart, Keliikipi and Armstead in along with Jordan playing his drop end I’m going to kill the QB on the D-line and that’s a pretty formidable group.
Problem is they’ll have to switch to a 2 gap technique for the 2 down guys, but if they can handle the change that leaves you 5 guys (Jordan and 4 backers) to bring in different blitz packages and fill gaps.
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That's true.
With a group like that, it’s not only a different look with each snap with the same players, but potentially the same look with the same players but a different play being called. And Coach Al will be rotating them with abandon.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
That's the amazing part
Aliotti can rotate as much as he wants and it won’t change the play calls or the formations. Basically, you’ll never know what the front 7 are going to bring you because it will look exactly the same as 1,2,3 or even 7 plays ago, but different guys are coming each time.
Or the formation will look totally different yet the results are the same. Next year is going to be Oregon best year defensively depending on who fills in for Pleasant. But with the guys we have coming back and the years they already have in this system in the front 7, we’re going to see some awesome stuff.
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Are there option offenses that don't operate on reading the defense?
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, sorta
The triple option doesn’t necessarily read anyone on any given play; it certainly doesn’t do a mesh like read.
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Sorry, I forgot to reply to this earlier
If you’re talking about rushing offenses, as Kalon points out, there aren’t a lot. Passing offenses can usually be broken down into 2 categories, read and progression. A read passing offense is going to read the safeties on down and then figure out what are his 1, 2, or 3 receivers and the holes in the defense. This is very tough for a lot of college teams to implement because there just isn’t the film study time nor the number of competent QBs out there that can do it effectively.
Progression offenses are different in that they will give the QB the first second or third receiver (and then usually a safety valve) to progress through before the play is snapped.
The key to stopping the read defense is confusing looks to the QB. If he’s reading one thing and the defense is doing something else, you can disrupt him all day long (see: Luck, Andrew 2011). The key to disrupting a progression offense is taking away his first and second target and then getting to him quick enough so he can’t get to his third or safety valve (see: Price, Keith 2011).
Aliotti has the flexibility to stop either with Oregon. He has the hybrid zone blitz that disrupts a read QB passing game in that safeties can line up at the line of scrimmage and look like they are in a cover 1 with only one safety deep, but have the speed to stay with a slot receiver giving more of a cover 2 play and allowing the deep safety to only have to cover one side of the field (same goes with DE covering TEs and flats).
He can also bring confusing looks to the O-line with his multiple blitz schemes and not give a progression QB time to sit in the pocket. All of this is dependent on Oregon’s depth though because of the number of plays they have to run and having fresh bodies to run all over the field throughout the game.
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I hope so, I'd like to see us force more 3-and-outs rather than rely on TO's and forcing FG's in the RZ.
I think we have enough quality players at S/Rov that we’ll be at least “good enough” there, and having Boyette back as a seasoned senior helps tremendously.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I think you'll see Aliotti use his traditional base 3-4 defense early in series like always
One thing I’m understanding more and more is that Aliotti uses his variations based on down and distance and not necessarily field position. So 1st and 10 he’ll show his base defense and see what the offense can do. If he’s able to hold them to 2nd and 3rd and long, that’s when the crazy stuff comes out.
This provides 2 things. His rotations don’t change and he can keep bringing guys in and doesn’t have to worry about who’s in and who’s out on the defense. He can just call his plays and let his players make plays.
Second, it wears on teams over games as the pressure of those bigger 3rd down conversions increases during the game. He’s going to unleash hell on 3rd down in the first half, 3rd qtr or last 2 minutes, and you have to constantly be ready for it. Now you’re not as tired and you’re more focused in the first half, so teams pick up the blitzes better or get the conversions. But late in games when you’re tired and Oregon is fresh from their substitutions all game, that’s when they get you.
I think having a more experienced and more talented front 7 will help create more 3 and outs in the first half next year, but it won’t necessarily be from the scheme.
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Isn't AA projected as an end?
If we go to 2-4-5, where does that leave him? He’s not going to be a run-stuffer up the middle I don’t think. Like you said, it’s a leverage thing. It is college though, and pure athleticism can make the difference.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
He's got the reach to be able to shed blockers
in a 2 gap technique, it will depend on his footwork and handwork skills. In a 2-4-5 normally you’ll have your NG and bigger DE line up next to each other with their hand in the dirt. It wouldn’t be a conventional 2-4-5 because Jordan would still be playing his hybrid role so more of a 2-5-4 or even unconventional 3-4-4.
He definitely adds more versatility to the D-line than I originally thought about.
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Also
Now that Brock Osweiler is gone, being 6’8" means that he’ll be able to block a lot more passes.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Heh.
Are we going to be at the RECEIVING end of a “how tall is he? He’s eleventy-five!” meme this year?
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
We need to come up with a term for Brent's "gushing"
Musbergerection?
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
Again, his athleticism could be a game-changer. Few guys that big are that quick on their feet.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
My head is spinning now thinking of the possibilities
You could 1 gap bull rush Heimuli on the strong side A gap, with Jordan coming off the end and Alonso filling the B gap. While at the same time 2 gap Armstead on the weak side and bring BoLo and his speed leaving Clay and Wallace to play short zone to catch anything out of the backfield or hot routes.
You basically have 2 guys taking up 4 lineman with Jordan, Alonso and BoLo in a dead sprint at the QB and still have 6 in coverage. Good grief Aliotti is going to have a field day with this defense.
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And opposing teams would rock back and forth in the fetal position and threaten to call
SBN legal.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
/flaggedforbadgrammar
Edit feeturrrr plz? kthxbai!
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
This is my thoughts exactly
Watching Ngata eat up two or three defenders every play was awesome, it let guys like Igor, and the Mike LB (Mallard?) ect. really shine.
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by Quack Addict on Jan 31, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
This doesn't even include any safety play
with Patterson on a safety blitz, or zone blitz schemes where Jordan drops into coverage in the flats and Clay and BoLo overload the weakside behind Armstead. Then you also have the advantage of what they did with Bair and play a touch-and-stop with Armstead and let him try and jump and knock down passes over the middle and take away the QB’s first read while BoLo and Alonso come on delayed blitzes off the edges.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGG too many combinations on defense… I would kill to sit in on one defensive planning meeting with Aliotti, Azzinaro, Neal and Pellum.
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I remember that kelly and Pellum did the in-home that turned out pretty nice
They must have made a pretty good argument as to where AA could fit in.
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So
who else is getting up at 6 AM for signing day Christmas fax-machine fun time?
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Who said I was watching Oregon's fax machine
There are other commitments though.
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I just figured it would be silly to bother watching OTHER teams’ fax machines. How naive I am.
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Does Tenn have fax hostesses? or did they go to $C with kiff
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IIRC
Someone put the kibosh on that rather quickly last year. I’ll be very surprised if we see that ever again.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
ESPNU's signing day special.
Recruiting is my favorite part of collegiate sports, other than the playing of the games of course.
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So recruiting isn't your favorite part of collegiate sports.
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Death before chastity!
It's my favorite year-round part.
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I am up by 6am every day.
But I won’t be paying attention to a fax machine.
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Not me.
What will happen will happen whether I’m on the Twatters or not.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Jan 31, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
They don't announce at the same time -- it's spread out all day...so unless you have the whole day free....
Airing on ESPNU
DE Mario Edwards (No. 1 in ESPNU 150): 9:05 a.m.
OLB Josh Harvey-Clemons (No. 17): 9:15 a.m.
CB Tracy Howard (No. 18): 9:35 a.m.
DT Eddie Goldman (No. 10): 10:05 a.m.
WR Dorial Green-Beckham (No. 3): 10:15 a.m.
OLB Kwon Alexander (No. 29): 11:05 a.m.
S Trae Elston (No. 10 safety): 11:05 a.m.
WR Nelson Agholor (No. 47): 12:05 p.m.
WR Thomas Johnson (No. 33): 12:20 p.m.
OT Andrus Peat (No. 9): 1:35 p.m.
OT Avery Young (No. 61): 2 p.m.
CB Ronald Darby (No. 38) 2:30 p.m.
Other notable ESPNU 150 announcement times
DE Korren Kirven (No. 100): 8 a.m.
ATH Joel Caleb (No. 83): 8:30 a.m.
OT Brandon Greene (No. 30): 9 a.m. ET
DE Dante Fowler Jr. (No. 71): 10 a.m.
DT Leonard Williams (No. 50): 11 a.m.
S Landon Collins (No. 6): 1 p.m.
ATH Ricardo Louis (No. 21): 1 p.m.
OT Kyle Murphy (No. 27): 4:15 p.m.
*Note: All times subject to change.
From ESPN NSD Home Page — I’m sure there are other events/schedules possibly. No idea about Duck prospects.
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by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
So here are some potential Oregon recruit times that I could find
Thomas Johnson, WR, Dallas (Texas) Skyline
When: NSD at 11:20 a.m. ET
Top Schools: Cal, Oregon, TCU, Texas A&M
Jaydon Mickens, ATH, Los Angeles (Calif.) Dorsey
When: TBD
Top Schools: Oklahoma State, Oregon, Washington
Kyle Murphy, OT, San Clemente (Calif.) High
When: NSD at 4 p.m. ET
Top Schools: Florida, Oregon, Stanford, USC
Not that we have much of a shot at these per latest rumors. But those are all I could find so far (I just cut and paste the ones that at least listed Oregon).
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by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, forgot link
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by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
until they read his HS transcript
1.8 GPA
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
BYU online will fix that in a jiffy.
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Guys, my Z key on twitter doesn't work anymore
I have to actually scroll through tweets with my mouse wheel now which is, I’m going to be honest, pretty annoying…
Anyone have any idea on how to fix it?
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by Quack Addict on Jan 31, 2012 2:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Tell people to stop reccing all your tweets
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by Matt Daddy on Jan 31, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Get more followers.
If you’re using IE, log out and close your browser. Reopen browser and log back in. Stop downloading porn. It’s full of viruses.
I use Chrome at home, where the ‘Z’ key is much more reliable.
If you use a Mac, you’re a sorry bastard and you’re on your own.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
have you alerted Twitter Legal?
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Too bad Shaq will miss all this.
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by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Ain't wednesday yet
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Sam Bonds...
Went there for Bingo a few times this last summer with my girlfriend and our summer housemates. Girlfriend and I never really got close to winning, as they seem to fit at least a hundred people in there for like eight games each bingo night. Then, on the last night we went, we both won. It was spooky.
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This whole "don't tweet recruits" thing is getting out of hand
I don’t do that, but to classify fans (not just season ticket holders or donors) as boosters is utterly ridiculous.
There needs to be some minimum threshold for the definition of a booster (such as a donor).
A fan/student of a university should be free to tout their school. Encouragement of a PSA does not equal enticement.
The booster rules were mean to stop donors and other civilians affiliated with the program from giving impermissible benefits.
My parents believed in me.
I’m in complete support of it, actually. These kids are being bombarded by enough already, we don’t need complete strangers getting involved on Twitter and Facebook.
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by Gorbachav5 on Jan 31, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Recruits can configure their
social media to be invisible to others. If they don’t like it then they don’t have to use it.
I agree they shouldn’t be pestered…my complaint is that a fan saying “Come to Oregon, we have a great business school, campus, and the community really supports the program” is considered a secondary recruiting violation.
My parents believed in me.
But if they configure it that way, they may be blocking out a bunch of people who they DO want to interact with.
I don’t know, I’m fine with it being a secondary violation, mostly because I don’t think fans who don’t have a personal relationship with the recruit need to be saying anything.
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I agree that people should have the decency to leave them alone.
But I don’t agree with the NCAA trying to regulate it. I follow both current and former Duck players, and also recruits that look like they’re coming to Oregon. Imagine if I get confused one day and say something to a recruit when I thought he was already enrolled? What if I’m just a douche and I’m intentionally contacting recruits? The school can’t do anything to stop me, so it doesn’t make any sense that the NCAA could potentially hold the team responsible for my actions.
Fuck you NFL! Chip Kelly IS the highest level of football!
I don’t necessarily agree with the way the NCAA regulates it (or with the way they do anything). I’m just against fans personally contacting recruits unless there’s a relationship. It’s very creepy to me, and has the potential to get extremely out of hand (and has, in some cases).
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This.
I’m disgusted at the idea that people would blast a recruit for not picking their school.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Then they can easily make their accounts private
Let’s not forget a lot of them are getting bombarded because they want to be bombarded.
The All I Saw Was Green Blog, that's it I'm telling SBN legal
Anyone heard that Brostek is UW?
Rivals apparently confirmed. Haven’t heard it from the horses’ mouth, so to speak.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Wonder how many people we are going to pull tomorrow
We seem pretty comfortable going in at 20 or 21, though there could be a last-second addition that comes out of nowhere.
you've seen this, right?
In case my lining didn’t work: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskyfootballblog/2017386448_another_new_husky_reports_say.html
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
I've heard those rumors too.
Some people are wondering if he actually had an offer, but I would assume they are totally wrong, otherwise Coach Kelly wouldn’t have tripped all the way out there.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
What's the word today?
Not too good…
Rumors rampant that Brostek may have just committed to Uchub. Sark’s woofing. And per JHOP, Harper may not be a lock after all…I may have provided some false hope there, sorry if I did. I’m doing some digging…
On the positive side, word is that the Shaq saga isn’t quite over yet. Pray he doesn’t sign tomorrow.
Who exactly is saying that Shaq's recruitment isn't all done?
I’m not surprised, but I havent seen much that says he is wavering again.
Winners of the Platypus trophy!
I think SD is engaging in wishful thinking.
You know, nothings written in stone until the LOI is signed.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
*nothing is
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
You obviously don't know stardux
He is a soothsayer of great power and mystery. We should probably sacrifice a live chicken to him to be sure our 2012 class stays in place.
ATQ's #1 fan of WINNING THE ROSE BOWL
I don't get the credit here...
As it has been reported by Justin Hopkins. However, those in the know say we’re still on him and they know things JHop would kill for. Word up!
thanks - I really appreciate your insights
that is the sincerest thing I’ve ever said on ATQ. Except all the FUCKS when Chip was in Tampa
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
So are you saying we can't kill a chicken in your honor?
We never get to have any fun around here.
ATQ's #1 fan of WINNING THE ROSE BOWL
Sure if we cook it.
But I don’t cook. Much.
Goooooorrrrby! We need you.
ATQ's #1 fan of WINNING THE ROSE BOWL
What? What? I got here as fast as I could…oh, cooking?
Hmmm, I’m more of a beef/pork/fish guy, but I’d recommend a cajun rub with fried rosemary potatoes and grilled asparagus.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
grilled asparagus are the only asparagus
I love them. and I hate steam asparagus so so much.
I trust you now
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, so maybe I was projecting.... 8-P
“So you’re saying there’s a chance……”
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
UW got Payton and might steal Mickens from Cal tonight
Two things, one: HOLY SHIT CAL YOU’VE JUST TANKED THE NEXT 3 YEARS
second, we’re now seeing the first coming of the next wave of shady recruiting…let the coach do all the work at another school, then pay out the nose for the coach AND his recruits.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Cal did get Dozier
he pretty good
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Look at who they lost
Armstead, Thompson, Payton, Mccarthy, Mickens, Williams…
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Word on the street was that McCarthy was gone in any event. But yes, Tosh royally screwed them. As a few posters have mentioned on CGB, you have to wonder how he can still have any credibility in the eyes of recruits.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
Sadly, I don't think they care much.
It’s about getting to the next level.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Shaq sounds like a kid who is in an absolute daze and just completely overwhelmed by the whole process.
Also, the more I hear about Tosh and how he handles recruiting, the more he sounds like a ginormous douche
What are you hearing?
(I make no effort to hear anything on recruiting except what you guys tell me, so anything will be news to me.)
Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jan 31, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, will you let me know when you hear something? I’m in the same boat you are.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I just heard sirens outside my window
And now I hear my fingers typing on the keyboard.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Hired away by a conference rival less than a month away from NSD = Douche
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
If you accept a job offer from a conference rival two weeks away from NSD, you might be a douche.
If you recruit kids on the dime of the school you are not planning to remain at, you might be a douche.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
If your school colors feature purple, you might be a douche.
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
If you have a tosh in your name and there isn't a daniel anywhere, you might be a douche.
"(creative University of Oregon fan quote!)"
If that's the position he's in,
it seems the prefect place to be swept away by the coaching staff most amenable to manipulative douchery. Not that I’m suggesting that Sark and Tosh and crew are the Pac-12 squad most amenable to manipulative douchery, but I’m in fact suggesting that Sark and Tosh and crew are the Pac-12 squad most amenable to manipulative douchery.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
And seal clubbers
/CGB’d
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Anybody know anything about the Minor League Baseball business?
I was curious and noticed that Shaq did not play baseball for Grant in 10-11 (and is not now listed on the 11-12 roster). He stats from 09-10 look unspectacular.
Did he play for some sort of club or semi-pro team? Does he already have pro baseball offers?
Seems so so weird to me
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
I like you all, and all
but I need rumor, innuendo, chicanery, hocus pocus. I want someone to tell me that Shaq still has that engraved O hat in an inside pocket, that Ngata is able to comeback for his last year of eligibility, that Uw is being relegated to DIII. And I want for free.
In other words, I’ll be at DucksAttack, chat4quacks. Any thing I find there will be put in a paper bag, lit on fire, and left here on your doorstep
scrappy
Rose Bowl Champions
//WillThatDo?
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Arik Armstead has flipped to Florida
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jan 31, 2012 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not funny
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
It's hilarious.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-W-O-O-Z-Y".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
Maybe now.....
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Feb 1, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Oops, sorry, meant to shrink it..
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
TWSS?
Autzen Stadium: "The stadium with an L.A. face, but an Oakland Booty, if you will." -Spencer Hall
by ProbablyMonty on Jan 31, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Innuendo Challenge is going to be Most Stiff, this year...cough
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Jan 31, 2012 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
You're saying there's going to be stiff competition?
I agree, the competitors will be looking to go fast, hard, and finish.
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
by baseb3383 on Jan 31, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Even Matt Daddy is sayin'
“What a putz!”
There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
oh, I was kidding
I’ve got the flu, stuck at home, got bored talking about tuition and Axe’s mattress full of bills (not an innuendo).
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Not you

There once was a team from Seattle / Who’s Dawg Pound would on and on prattle, / "Our coach makes big bucks / But he can’t beat the Ducks! / Let’s call SBN Legal and tattle!" by JonathanPDX Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM PST
by DuckUntilDeath on Jan 31, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going to hunt you down...
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
Doc Saturday sums up the Cal situation; through an announcement glass, darkly
I can’t but help wince at the thought of the protracted tangle of miseries that must exist in Jeff Tedford’s head about now…
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
Interesting thread
I’m posting this here since I just got to this, and I didn’t want it to get buried in the thread above. I agree with what a lot of people were saying in regards to education and too many people being in college (and I definitely agree with Dave about the importance of Trade schools); however, there’s also a scary reality that I deal with every day: generations of students who believe they aren’t worthy of college.
So yes, the problems articulated above are valid, but I come at it from a different angle, so I think college IS for all of my students.
Also, Dave, have you ever thought about teaching at alternative schools? Or are you married to the idea of staying in the public school system? I work for Chemeketa and their high school programs. It’s a lot of fun (a lot BS for teachers to deal with, too), and they’re always hiring adjuncts. Just a thought.
"Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do" -- John Wooden
No, I would actually be quite interested in finding out more about this
could you email me about this (despite Tannen’s blindness, its on the bottom of the screen under managers).
Thanks.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
I should say...
that there ISN’T a lot BS for teachers to deal with…I will send you an email.
"Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do" -- John Wooden

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