Oregon receives proposed findings from NCAA, Ducks failed to conform to recruiting rules
by jtlight on Feb 24, 2012 4:35 PM PST
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After months of questions around Oregon's recruiting practices and dealings with Will Lyles and other scouting services, we finally have some answers. This afternoon, Oregon released the "proposed findings of violations" presented to the athletic department from the NCAA. This full document (heavily redacted due to student privacy laws) makes clear that Oregon did not follow NCAA rules regarding recruiting.
The Ducks did not follow proper rules in dealing with scouting services, and also exceeded the permissible number of coaches that could be involved with a certain recruit. Unfortunately, the document does not say which recruit (or recruits) the Ducks were involved with while this occurred.
Here's one of the key sections of the document:
It is agreed that from 2008 through 2011, the scope and nature of the violations set forth in Finding Nos. 2, 3-C and 4 demonstrate that the athletics department failed to adequately monitor (1) the football program's use of recruiting or scouting services; [...]
Regarding the recruiting or scouting services, the athletics department failed to establish policies and procedures to monitor the football program's use of recruiting or scouting services. Additionally, athletics administrators with responsibilities in the football program failed to monitor the information provided by recruiting or scouting services to ensure compliance with recruiting or scouting service legislation.
What does this mean for the Ducks? No one seems to know at this point. Failure to monitor is a fairly common charge in any NCAA investigation. Oregon's compliance department dropped the ball, and failed to make sure that the coaches were complying with NCAA rules. What is more worrisome is that the compliance department signed off on the relationships with scouting services, indicating a massive failure on their part.
Still, despite this failure, Rob Mullens made clear today in a press release that the department was continuing to comply and work with the NCAA.
While this document is a bit disappointing, it's also pretty much exactly what I expected. This is what we knew, and it's very likely that Oregon will not face any serious violations, such as impermissible benefits.
Now we just wait to hear what the punishment will be, but at this point I don't think it will be anything too significant. Oregon has complied with the NCAA, and Oregon is learning from these mistakes and we will hopefully not see this kind of lapse in the future.
If I had to guess, I'd say we may see some coaches receive some recruiting restrictions, and we might lose a handful of scholarships, but I don't expect this to have any significant impact on the Ducks moving forward.
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We still don't know this
This is what we knew, and it’s clear that Oregon will not face any serious violations, such as impermissible benefits.
There is too much redacted info to say whether or not that exists is premature.
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It may be premature, but at least we know it’s coming. You don’t want to get blasted by something like this when you aren’t expecting it.
Sounds like my wedding night
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Twist is married?
It must be to a trollololololol.
/I kid. Twist is the best trollololololol we’s got.
/Sorta.
Both gold and muck come out of the same shaft...
He must be married. When anything close to shit hitting the fan at AtQ, here's old TwistnHook, purveyor of strange tidings.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
The premature part or the blasted part?
Speed Endurance Talent is how Track Town USA plays football. Win The Day
Why cant it be both?
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While my wording was premature to make that firm a statement
Based on how they redacted the article, I think it would be incredibly unlikely that something like that would come out later.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
It's been a year since the NCAA started looking into this MD!
I’m confident that something would’ve leaked by now, if there were allegations of impermissible benefits. Even before the internet, it was impossible to keep secrets for long, when numerous people were involved.
True Duck Football Fan
FWIW
Failure to monitor is much better than Lack of Institutional Control
by DCDuck on Feb 24, 2012 4:46 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
That's a rec
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Yeah, but we can still have some fun with it and call it FaiLOLure to MonitLOLr
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Feb 24, 2012 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Smart move
Finally to try to get ahead of this, instead of reacting. I doubt it will be that bad.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
UCLA has already been announced as the 2012 Pac-12 Champions!
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Oh ya, whoops. I can’t believe ATQ doesn’t have an edit button. What a bunch of assholes!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cal fans don’t need edit buttons. They just make up high falutin words to make what they wrote sound correct.
Speed Endurance Talent is how Track Town USA plays football. Win The Day
To Cal grads they are just normalfalutin words.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Feb 24, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
You Cal grads wouldn't know falutin
if it hit you in your big falutin brains.
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Im really more medium falluting. Full of moderate falluts.
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I heard you played a mean skin fallut
maybe not a mean one
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 25, 2012 1:38 AM PST up reply actions
It will be interesting to see if Oregon self-imposes after this
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Hey, NCAA!!! LOOK HERE! We are slapping ourselves on the wrist SO HARD!
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Feb 24, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Quit hitting yourself! Stop it! Quit hitting yourself! Cut it out!
by JonathanPDX on Feb 24, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
OWWW. See, it really hurts, I promise!!!
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Feb 24, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Which is surely the wise course of action.
Your adnministration plainly learned the lesson administered by NCAA to U$C; gotta fess up to something to avoid the hammer . . .
by HuskyInExile on Feb 24, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
(he's a Cal fan, HIE)
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
No. But as a Husky, I have some sympathy.
We had kinda a long streak against Cal . . .
by HuskyInExile on Feb 24, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
(I'm saying 'atomsareenough' is a Cal fan)
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Not really, we disowned him. He is now a HUUUUUUUUUUUGE STANFURD fan
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
EWWWWW I’m double offended. First of all, because you are obviously confusing me with Twist, and secondly for, you know, the whole stanfurd implication.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Feb 24, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Only in quotes.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Feb 24, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for clarification. The cross blog chatter . . .
by HuskyInExile on Feb 24, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry for the confusion, I should have put it in quotes.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Feb 24, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
...or just owned your Furdness!
I’m coming in late to this thread, but I’m coming in hot
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 25, 2012 1:40 AM PST up reply actions
Looks like
A very collaborative process with the NCAA and Oregon. If program shattering sanctions were being talked about, I would assume things would have gotten real combative real quick. From a married mans stand point, it looks like Oregon is going to spend a few nights on the couch and buy some flowers to smooth thing over for their dumb mistake.
Sure hope that's true.
It burns me that new grey areas become black & white only after NCAA chooses to whack someone . . .
by HuskyInExile on Feb 24, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I kinda hope they don't....just take what they give us.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Like a reply fail
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by Famous Duck on Feb 24, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Also, sounds like my wedding night.
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I hope he was gentle with you
by builds character on Feb 26, 2012 4:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Friday afternoon is when bad news is “dumped,” because the media gives it less coverage and the public pays less attention.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4725120
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OMG! Did CGB just NPR us?
Call SBN Legal!
Go ahead and run around with your off-season rumors. I'll be at the corner of Wait and 'C'.
by DuckUntilDeath on Feb 24, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
My 'Z' key doesn't work anymore
Will you take the case?
Go ahead and run around with your off-season rumors. I'll be at the corner of Wait and 'C'.
by DuckUntilDeath on Feb 24, 2012 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Yes! And unlike that shyster TwistNHook, I charge only $980 an hour.
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by CalBear81 on Feb 24, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That sounds good
The last guy charged us $25k and now look where we’re at.
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by Matt Daddy on Feb 24, 2012 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
He did occasionally give us rides when we came to visit, tho.
That was mighty nice of him. 8-/
Go ahead and run around with your off-season rumors. I'll be at the corner of Wait and 'C'.
by DuckUntilDeath on Feb 24, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, wonnerful rides. Some on his lap.
Hey DUD, you ever been redacted?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I'm not sure. How would I know?
I’ve done some redacting.
Go ahead and run around with your off-season rumors. I'll be at the corner of Wait and 'C'.
by DuckUntilDeath on Feb 24, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think that I've ever been dacted. Amazing.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Of course you have.
You’re famous.
Go ahead and run around with your off-season rumors. I'll be at the corner of Wait and 'C'.
by DuckUntilDeath on Feb 26, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
The fuck is this not green?
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We must be in a recession, your rates seem to have gone down.
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by atomsareenough on Feb 24, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
I live in fear of all attorneys!
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I bill at $990 an hour
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How many hours will it take to get Matt Daddy thrown in jail for what he done did?
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Depends on if'n he can find a
good lawyer to represent him.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
How much extra do I have to pay if I want you to take a #2 without washing your hands right before our first meeting?
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
You gonna get that from Hook anyways..No extra charge.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
The babysitter is dead?
Go ahead and run around with your off-season rumors. I'll be at the corner of Wait and 'C'.
by DuckUntilDeath on Feb 27, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
we did need Fulmer points
we should get some institutional ones this way
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 25, 2012 1:44 AM PST up reply actions
the Fulmer Cup doesn't work that way, [un?]fortunately
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by ProbablyMonty on Feb 25, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Someone alert the California Golden Vultures, they're gonna want to get a piece of this.
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
We're more worried about $ark shaking hands with recruits after taking a #2!!!
What I have been hearing is, when Sark visits a recruit’s house he likes to take a #2 in their bathroom. After doing so he runs the vent and switches on the faucet to make it appear as if he is washing his hands. Most recruits and their families think that Sark is just relieving himself, washes his hands, then shakes their hands. Sark will not confirm nor deny that he doesn’t wash his hands after taking a #2 so that he gains the upper hand when he shakes hands with the recruits and their parents.
You see, once Sark has shaken your hand with his poo ridden paws he CLEARLY has the upper poop stained hand and he owns you for life.
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
You've obviously got a lot invested in this...wonder why?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Sark shook TwistNHook’s hand!
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
We've been waiting so long for CGB to take us high brow.
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
CGB stocks the best high brow gifs on the internet!
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Right next to Tedford's quarterback training manuals.
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Which are right next to the recruiting lists
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
The ones Tosh took with him to Washington, or the empty blank page ones?
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Congratulations R-Bear, with this post, you are now ATQ's most frequent poster, outpacing Axemen23.
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
I love you so much Sir Musgrave
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Wanna go camping?
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Do I have to tell anyone?
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
YOu got image prob?
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Methinx he doth protest too much.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
It would probably be in your best interests.
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
But what if I wake up before you do?
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Who said anything about any sleeping?
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
I said: "Who said anything about any sleeping?"
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
What will we do? Will we roast huskies over a campfire?
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Really wanna go out in the woods w/ a pack of Huskies?
by HuskyInExile on Feb 24, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Now you're getting silly. Get some rest.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I'm hoping ATQ turns into a Cal/Washington blog.
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, they come over here and scrap cuz they'll get banned on their own blogs.
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Nobody gets banned a tCGB!
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You say that now, but wait till your Z key isn’t working and there are so many recs you have to call SB Legal.
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by Matt Daddy on Feb 25, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We're told he IS SBN Legal.
And my guess is he loves calling and talking to himself.
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 25, 2012 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
It will be so... once Oregon becomes self aware and fires it's nukes on Washington and California!
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I visit because you guys are feisty, funny and interesting.
Suppose the Cal guys visit to escape the dooom at CGB; which I really do not understand.
by HuskyInExile on Feb 24, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
soooooooooo much doooooooooom
doooom 24/7
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMM
#doomgang
by Redonkulous Bear on Feb 24, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks, RB, for making this a GIFfy thread
a picture is worth a thousand words, especially for those who are not strong readists.
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 25, 2012 2:12 AM PST up reply actions
I think you're getting things mixed up.
That was the Paul Wulff method.
by Mind of no mind on Feb 25, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
1. You appear to be following the path of least resistance; lesson learned from U$C
2. You guys retain your sense of humor. Admirable. Seriously. Attitude matters.
by HuskyInExile on Feb 24, 2012 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
could be keyboard glitch; coulda been operator error . . .
by HuskyInExile on Feb 24, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Exiled one gets nasty.... Rated PG
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
Probably reading too much into me.
I genuinely dislike the NCAA disciplinary process, and take no joy at all in seeing rival programs get tangled up in it. Wish it could be more straightforward.
by HuskyInExile on Feb 24, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Get HRD's BonerPilz if you want straight-forward
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
by Famous Duck on Feb 24, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Wow, I'm gone for a few hours and BIG NEWS happens
It just goes to show you, you should never spend quality time with your children.
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by daisyduck on Feb 24, 2012 8:50 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Hey Dave, is there an "ATQ2" where actual Ducks might discuss this?
Or have you set up the private chat function yet?
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't mind the others hanging around here
its the only way they’ll ever smell the sweet smell of a Rose.
--Dave
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by David Piper on Feb 24, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Awww, no one has ever said anything that nice about me before.
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
(Still would have been nice to hear it in private chat)
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
That Tuesday Night Talk chat,, is pretty private,,
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by daisyduck on Feb 24, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That's true,, he said some pretty nice things to me that night too.
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Put it in the vault
What happens on Tuesday Night Talk chat stays on Tuesday Night Talk chat.
ATQ's #1 fan of WINNING THE ROSE BOWL
Careful with the "Talk chat" business.
I know what you meant, but the Cal guys are here and someone is likely to have an aneurysm, accompanied with blog diarrhea.
I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the… well, I don't really know what I'm here to do.
by Bill Musgrave on Feb 24, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Two things
First of all, I leave the house for a DAY, and you drop THIS on my lap when I get home? Good god I’m never leaving again.
Second, nothing bad’s going to happen. No really, I swear. Moseley was in his office today, not on vacation, not out of town. Bad shit only happens when he’s off the clock.
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
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Two things
Stop stalking Moseley. It may seem like the shortest route to becoming the Duck beat writer is to scare him out of town, but the plan is too transparent.
I’m glad you finally got out of the house. I’m assuming Applebee’s coupons arrived in the mail
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 25, 2012 1:59 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Three Things
1. Kudos. That was funny.
2. There’s no way I could ever cover the Ducks in an unbiased manner.
3. They were Outback coupons thank you very much. Waaaaaaay better than Applebees.
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Maybe he'll lose a stripe
and get busted down to Sir Flenory.
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by daisyduck on Feb 25, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ATQ vs CGB
It’s interesting to read the two different articles. I’m not here trolling, just noting the different slants. Here on ATQ the author, jtlight, writes:
“Oregon’s compliance department dropped the ball, and failed to make sure that the coaches were complying with NCAA rules. What is more worrisome is that the compliance department signed off on the relationships with scouting services, indicating a massive failure on their part.”
That’s like the enabling parent saying “my little Johnny would never break the rules.”
With all of the X’s & O’s, and all of the tons of other stuff going on in a BCS football program I gotta believe that the Coaches all know the basics of using a recruiting service. I’m sure there is a binder in the football office on NCAA Regulations.
ATQ is passing 100% of the blame on to the Compliance Department, and I think that is wrong. The Head Coach is responsible.
I pre-game @ Barclays Pub
by nor_cal_scott on Feb 25, 2012 12:24 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I upped MY income.........
"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY
I think there's plenty of blame to go around.
Chip’s gotta get some, to be sure. The compliance department needs some as well. Nobody’s hands are clean in this one.
That said, the compliance department has essentially one job to do, and it seems as though they didn’t do it. But, time will tell.
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by ProbablyMonty on Feb 25, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
From what I gather of the particular rules in question,
the issues here are pretty cloudy and indistinct. The NCAA doesn’t have a lot of practice dealing with enforcement of these rules. It’s not like, say, showing up at the home of a recruit with an envelope bursting with Benjamins. It’s not like Chip could have just taken five minutes, flipped through his rules binder, and decided with absolute certainty that “we can’t do this.” You should expect the coaches who are pushing boundaries to be careful, but you have a compliance department for a reason. Coaches aren’t trained NCAA lawyers, and they can’t spend all of their time breaking down these cloudy and distinct boundaries of the rulebook. So they hire someone to deal with all of that for them.
On the one hand, when you are pushing the limits, you should be careful, and be fully aware that in some ways you’re rolling the dice, particularly with a fickle entity like the NCAA. And be prepared to deal with it if things go wrong.
On the other hand, these issues are way more complex than knowing “the basics,” and the people who were specifically charged with making sure that things were on the right side of the line messed up.
Faulting compliance is not like the enabling parent saying “my little johnny would never break the rules” to fault compliance. It’s more like a parent saying “so, miss babysitter, why the hell did you allow my little Johnny to set the kitchen on fire?” Sure, Little Johnny shouldn’t have done it, but you hired somebody specifically to make sure that shit didn’t happen.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
by omb on Feb 25, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
The Monolith that is ATQ has not revealed its mind, yet
the writer of the post outs a lot on the compliance department, which may or may not be true.
There may be a chance to discuss all this on CGB since Cal was also a client of Willie Lyles, though at coupon-clipper rates
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 25, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Since we're now like a merged blog with similar concerns for the welfare of the Oregon student and athlete (scratch that, your concern surpasses ours), I'll repost my CGB response here.
Although this is going to get really tedious.
I don’t see this post on ATQ, only your other one above.
Anyway, I’m pretty sure Jared believes Kelly fucked up and is responsible (or at least I do), as are the rest of the coaches who intentionally broke rules, believed they were dabbling in gray area, and bumbled naively in some combination. I think he’s just highlighting that the most colossal fuck up is that the compliance department actually reviewed these recruiting service proposals, vetted them, and allowed them to occur. Nothing was done in secret by the coaches, the very people you go to when you want to know if something is acceptable failed to raise adequate caution. Once in place, the service agreements were also not managed properly by the coaches or compliance department – hey, where are those written reports that are required every so often? I’d put it mostly on Kelly and the coaches since they are the primary initiators and benefactors of these actions, but compliance’s entire job is really in question here.
Oh, and the reason I’m posting here is because you guys seem to care a lot more about this issue than we do. I’m not sure your motivation is faceted enough to start another "ATQ vs CGB" titled post, though.
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by Bill Musgrave on Feb 25, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
One aspect I can't figure out.
If you have an active Compliance Department, that has supposedly vetted all this stuff for the coaches, how do you wind up with a charge of “failure to mointor?”
“OK, we looked at it and we think it’s just fine, y’all go on ahead, don’t bother reporting back.” Makes no sense from a management perspective.
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I guess that's my point, awfully stupid if you have a compliance department that doesn't monitor.
My guess is they are busy like the rest of the world and followed up on some of what they were supposed to, forgot on some. IE, some managers are thorough and smart, some are bumbling.
Or, as in some organizations, their job is unclear, and the system is poor. Who was supposed to get those recruiting lists? Do those go to the AD first or directly to compliance, or neither? I thought Jim did that?
Or they DID call Kelly (or whatever coach) once a month and ask for what was needed, and all the coaches were too busy or arrogant or forgetful or whatever to follow through, and it was “business as usual” for monitoring employees who have season tickets and love the ducks, and just felt like eventually those pesky, busy coaches would follow through for the official files like they did all those other years.
Other option is they are lying cheating bastards on the Nike payroll (provided for Cal fans’ pleasure).
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by Bill Musgrave on Feb 25, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
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by ProbablyMonty on Feb 26, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty much this (and what omb said above)
When you get a “failure to monitor,” that is directly on the compliance department. Their only job is to monitor, and this charge means they didn’t do it.
That doesn’t excuse Kelly and the Oregon coaches not following the rules, but in the world of recruiting, any competitive coaching staff is going to push the envelope. What we can expect from them is that they do that while being open and transparent and running everything through compliance.
As far as we can tell (and yes, new information could come out later, if that happens, I’ll gladly change my opinion), that’s generally what happened. And then compliance OK’d a $25k check to Lyles.
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by Honka Playboy on Feb 26, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
WTF? How could anyone compare ATQ to a Cal blog?
The Cal guys can be very funny, and they’re great w/ animated clips . . . but . . .
the only obvious similarity I see is that there is a lot of sarc and mock on both. But they mock themselves . . . very strange.
by HuskyInExile on Feb 26, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
I am worried about this one
I have a feeling we will be made an example of… but whatever… It’s probably just another panic thingies…
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I sincerely hope not.
This is a fine example of NCAA ‘re-interpreting’ rules to (potentially) hammer a program over an issue that was not at all clear in thier rulebook.
by HuskyInExile on Feb 26, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Failure to Monitor
I’m disappointed that this charge might be levied … but not surprised. If you are surprised, you haven’t been paying attention to Oregon athletics over the past four years.
2007: Bill Moos loudly shown the door as athletic director.
2007-2009: Pat Kilkenny takes over as athletic director. He is given one task: Smooth over relations with top donors, and grow the department like a business. That meant adding “revenue-generating” elements like a new basketball arena and a baseball stadium. As a booster himself, he had no desire to meddle in compliance-related affairs.
2010: Mike Bellotti takes over as athletic director. His legacy at that position will be an outstanding ability to collect paychecks.
Sometime in 2010: Lorraine Davis takes over as athletic director: She was a spokeswoman with no power.
August 2010: Rob Mullens takes over as athletic director. Finally, an adult in the room — who has two NCAA investigations hanging over his head and a couple massive athletic gifts he’s supposed to shepherd into existence.
Meanwhile, Dave Frohnmayer was planning his exit into a cushy law firm position with a generous pension in tow, and Richard Lariviere was trying to shore up funding and govern the actual university, which has led to his dismissal.
No one is in charge of the athletic department, and no one has set the ground rules for behavior. That’s failure to monitor in its most pure distillation.
by Freeing Ray Schafer on Feb 25, 2012 4:01 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
This is exactly right.
No one has been watching the kids and we’re just going to have to suck it up and live with the consequences of the clean up.
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That all being said
It’s not like Bill Moos was all that great before that. We had plenty of violations with him, including us going on probation for that crap with Arrington.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
It sounds to me that the REAL Athletic Director is one person and oen person alone: Phil Knight.
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by Honka Playboy on Feb 26, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
More like Chip Kelly
And Dana Altman. And Paul Westhead, another absentee leader. And Vin Lananna. And Jim Bartko. And…
Phil Knight pays for shiny things and conducts marketing experiments but doesn’t care about the day-to-day.
The end result is that the athletic department is highly decentralized, and the buck stops nowhere. This is the UO AD’s biggest issue, and Mullens is at risk of being swept away in the tide.
It was pointed out recently that Chip Kelly’s contract includes a provision that requires him to pay back salary if the football team is found to have violated NCAA rules under his watch. Does Mullens really have enough power/backing to invoke that provision?
by Freeing Ray Schafer on Feb 26, 2012 2:39 AM PST up reply actions
What 'failure to monitor' means, by example
OSU 2011 – Failure to monitor. In addition to forfeit of 2011 season, suspension of players for 5 games/removal of coach, it meant bowl ban for 2012 season and loss of 3 scholarships. (being a repeat offender did not help). Probation.
Boise State: failure to monitor, 2010. 4 year show cause for coach (this was also unethical conduct, something that so far Oregon hasn’t seen). Loss of three scholarships. Probation for 3 years. (this was also lack of institutional control at BSU). Postseason ban for tennis program.
Florida State failure to monitor, 2009: loss of 6 scholarships, 4 years probation, vacation of wins that ineligible players played in (the issue was students cheating and getting their grades up; there was a lot more than failure to monitor in that case)
Oklahoma 2007: failure to monitor (as well as improper benefits). Vacated wins in which players played as well as probation, 4 scholarships over 2 years (two players got jobs that they were paid for that they never showed up to)
MSU: not failure to monitor, but gave recruits money. Probation, 8 scholarships over 2 years, recruiting limits.
And that’s basically it. The rest of the ‘big’ penalties were lack of institutional control, which appears to not be part of this.
What does this mean? Well, not a lot, still. We will almost certainly not see a death sentence like USC, but that’s not a surprise; only insane folks thought we’d see something like that. No coaches have been fired or forced to quit from failure to monitor, though they were reined in in BSU’s case fairly harshly; however, note that BSU’s case was a lot more widespread throughout their athletic department and there were a lot of other things found (such as cheating). OSU had improper benefits, which may or may not be the case here.
One issue is that there’s no sign of any of the players being ineligible for Oregon. They may have been improperly recruited, but once they’re here they’ve apparently behaved correctly. That means cases like OSU or FSU aren’t all that applicable by comparison. The closest comparison to just a recruiting issue is MSU – which had penalties associated with recruiting.
If I were a betting man, I’d expect something along those lines. It’s quite possible that the coaching staff gets censured for this as well, but I suspect we’ll not see any vacating wins or suspensions of coaches given that there was no ineligibility of players and no lying to the NCAA.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
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Yeah, that's the real rub
I could try and predict based on prior behavior, but that’s completely insane. The NCAA is about as arbitrary as a coin flip.
What I think helps more than anything here is that there is not a lot of public outrage about this like there was Reggie Bush getting huge benefits. Now, if something comes out that says that Willie Lyles was basically paying players? Oh, we’re hosed. But right now it doesn’t look like there’s much tangible that can be produced as a result, and the general public isn’t calling for Oregon’s head like they were USC. We don’t have drug dealing kids (at least associated with this), we don’t have strippers and boats, we don’t have lying under oath, we don’t have kids getting illegal benefits. We basically don’t have the NCAA looking completely stupid. Heck, people are still confused what constitutes incorrect behavior from these street and recruiting agencies.
I hate that we’re involved with this and think we should get a penalty, but I just have a hard time seeing this as a death sentence.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
We'll lose somewhere between 4-7 scholarships for a couple years and have other recruiting based sanctions
Trolling fans will crack a beer and crow about the end of Oregon and how cheaty we were (while forgetting Don James, Reggie Bush and other former blowhards). Then we’ll wipe them by 30.
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but you saying something is akin to doing a Costanza. I’m now confident that either nothing will happen to Oregon or Phil Knight will be banned from donations and we’ll vacate all wins since the Suffering ended.
I think we’ll probably lose only a few scholarships (OSU only lost a few) but we’ll have fewer official visits allowed to us and one or more coaches might be banned from recruiting at all for a couple years.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
So long as our athletic department was honest with the NCAA,
I feel as if we won’t be hit too hard. Yes, we will lose some things (probably a few scholarships at the very least), but losses like that aren’t program killers by any means.
Hopefully Mullens didn’t go all Mike Garrett and piss off the NCAA. If he did, we are screwed.
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Ah, here's a more recent one
failure to monitor was leveled against…Lane Kiffen, actually. And not Tennessee. They self-imposed 2 years of probation and a couple other things. Nothing major. The primary offenses were against Bruce Pearl, of course (and the main penalties were show-cause calls against the coaches). But that was otherwise basically it.
the recruiting violations were minor, but they were frequent – 135 different violations. I think that might be comparable but probably not enough overall as far as it goes.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
MUCH to do about nothing...
When it is all said and done (whenever that great day may be);
Oregon will lose a couple of scholarships. That is it.
End of story.
AND;
When that day comes, it will be a day of sadness and misery in the state of WAaaaahhhhh!!!! as the bitches up north cry and pout: “them ducks cheated! Them ducks shoulda been probated for 5 years!! Shit. Weren’t fer Niker they woulda been probated up der asses like we was! Damn Night and Niker. Screwed us again!!!”
And 2012 will bring 9 straight against the rabies.
Fuck ’em.
I thought
there were no flamers on here. As a Husky fan, I do NOT want the ducks to be slammed by the NCAA. UW and USC were both given unfair punishments and regardless of the Ducks being my rival or not, I still wouldn’t want it to happen with them. Saying Oregon will lose a couple of scholarships and that’s it is a little premature don’t you think? I mean, that could be the end result but really, none of us know. I’ve also said before I could care less about Nike helping Oregon out, if other schools don’t like it then they should do something about it. And….this comment, them ducks cheated! Them ducks shoulda been probated for 5 years!! Shit. Weren’t fer Niker they woulda been probated up der asses like we was! Damn Night and Niker. Screwed us again!!!" is invalid due to us actually having an education. We’re part of the Pac, not the EEESSSS EEEEE SSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEE!
There will never be a Husky free Northwest...never.
by ALLpurpleEVERYTHING on Feb 26, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
I respectfully disagree.
Just because we and U$C were screwed by the NCAA (and U$C sorta dared them) doesn’t imply that we want you to suffer the same fate.
I want our team to beat you on the field, not through ch*k*nsh*t second hand punishments . . .
by HuskyInExile on Feb 26, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Don't see you telling that to your friends at UDP
It’s great that you’re willing to state that here, but here isn’t where you earn cred. If that’s the way you feel about things, tell the folks at UDP that this shit is uncalled for.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Keep looking; I do say it now and then.
I think some of my fellow Huskies have forgotton what it was like to be under the NCAA microscope . . .
by HuskyInExile on Feb 27, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Saw Rob Mullens at the Women's Bball game on Saturday
Made him smile with my whiteboard antics. “Don’t worry Rob. I didn’t sleep much last night, either”
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by hazmat5793 on Feb 26, 2012 1:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
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LMJ runs a 4.37 in his first 40 time. Fastest of the RBs so far.
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not bad
Not as good as I was hoping, and that will sadly probably drop him a bit.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Running sub 4.4 is going to drop him?
Not sure I follow. Many scouts have speculated he doesn’t have great top end speed and would disappoint in the 40. Sub 4.4 is extremely fast.
Sproles ran a 4.49 at the combine…
by Duckfreak on Feb 26, 2012 11:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
it is quite fast
Almost no one can actually run a 4.2x 40 when the method the NFL uses to time is used. The fastest time ever was 4.26 I think, and there are like 10 guys that have ever run in the 4.2-4.29 range
by OregonNYC on Feb 26, 2012 2:10 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Fastest ever was 4.24.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Feb 26, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
That's hand timed though
Today they use fully auto electronic timing, which ends up coming out far slower. That would probably be in the 4.3x range today, which is still quite fast.
The article explains the timing.
It is not, nor has it ever been, fully electronic. There are six times that get reported to teams. Two are completely hand timed and one is hand-started and electronically stopped. The two runs of these three times are what get reported to teams. This is the first year they have even measured the times completely electronically. They are doing it as an experiment and are not reporting the completely electronic times to either the teams or the players. You are correct, though, that electronic times are around .2 slower.
by It's Good To Be King on Feb 26, 2012 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Probably, yeah
I’ve seen a lot of comments that because of his weight and height he’ll have to blow people away at the 40 to move up. As it stands, he’ll probably still go in the 3rd.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
Rung the fastest 40 time at his position will drop him
Versus if he could have just run the fastest 40 time of any rb prospect in NFL history…
by Duckfreak on Feb 26, 2012 11:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Jahvid Best rocketed up draft board to 1st round
After running 4.35 40. Fastest at rb that year.
4.37 exceeds expectations (at least rational ones) fo LMJ and will help him a lot making the second round a possibility.
Best at combine
5’10" 199 lbs 4.35
James
5’8" 194 lbs 4.37
Beat a late first round pick in 2010
by Duckfreak on Feb 26, 2012 12:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
and he went to jail
If you mean our lesser known, less molesting LT, not sure was invited.
by OregonNYC on Feb 26, 2012 2:11 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Ducks are beating Vanderbilt 7-5 through 6 complete innings in Nashville. Man, a sweep would be awesome.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Feb 26, 2012 12:27 PM PST reply actions
Also, it turns out that LaMichael’s official 40 time was 4.45.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Feb 26, 2012 12:27 PM PST reply actions
Don't care. He's still wicked fast.
He can’t be the skinny 180 lb 4.3 guy anyways. He’ll have a better career and besides, they haven’t done the agility drills yet
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That sucks
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
You may only say that if you can run faster
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Xanax
Ducks up 7-6 with Vandy’s tying run at 3rd two outs bottom 9.
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Sherfy gets B2B strikeouts to end the game! Ducks sweep #17 Vanderbilt on the road and come home 7-1 (and probably ranked) to start the home season
Tuesday vs. Portland
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Damn it, can't I enjoy the off-season just once???
Now I have to login to my computer and check the CF news on an hourly basis…how will I pace myself for the season ahead???
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
Nobody does the offseason like Oregon.
But at least this is about past transgressions and not anything related to hippie lettuce, land-speed record attempts, or situations in which Darron Thomas is riding shotgun.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Feb 27, 2012 1:00 AM PST up reply actions
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