Pac-12 officiating: Inconsistency continues to mar league
I've been thinking off and on the last couple of days about the ending of the Colorado game. The foul at the end was a bad call. The Colorado announcers said it was a bad call. The replays showed it was a bad call. Ultimately, the official guessed, and anticipated contact. He guessed wrong, and it was the difference in what was a great back and forth game.
Oregon has twice in the last several years won games in very similar fashion. In 2006, at Washington State, Maarty Leunen was sent to the line with no time left and Oregon down two, and hit both to send the game to overtime. While I think in that case the replay showed Leunen was fouled, it wasn't obvious enough that anyone would have complained if the official had swallowed the whitstle. Then there was two years ago, where Washington State apparently hit the game winning shot at the overtime buzzer, but was called for a technical foul with 0.3 seconds remaining for storming the court, and the Ducks hit both free throws and eventually won in double overtime. If the Leunen call was questionable, the technical with 0.3 to go was flat out criminal, a gross bit of negligence by the official that turned a game that for all intents was over. Those examples being set, at least Washington State had a chance in overtime of both of those games to overcome the bad call.
In the Oregon/Colorado game on Sunday, the call wasn't just bad official judgment in applying a technicality, it was a flat out wrong call. A phantom foul where an official guessed wrong in the one time in the game where you absolutely don't have that luxury.
On one hand, it never should have gotten to that situation. If Oregon had made a couple more free throws, another field goal, made one more stop. If Oregon had taken care of business, the game never would have gotten to that point.
On the other hand, the Ducks did what they needed to do to get the game into overtime against a good opponent on the road in a hostile environment, and that chance was taken away from them. Further, it certainly takes Oregon out of the running for the conference title, and could have big ramifications for whether Oregon gets to the NIT.
I'm not one that thinks that officials automatically need to swallow their whitstle at the end of a game. If its a foul, call a foul, but it had better be a damn obvious foul. It would be one thing if this was a one time incident, but we have here just with one team at least three instances of the referees dramatically impacting the game in the final seconds. And its not as if these were isolated incidents. Both teams were in double bonus both halves of this game despite it not being terribly physical. There were two identical offensive foul calls on Tony Woods where replay showed no contact was made, and a couple of equally bad calls went against the Buffaloes.
Despite insane rhetoric that came from some fans after the game, the officials aren't biased. That's just a dumb thing to say. But they have a long track record of not being very good at their jobs. The Pac-12 is the land of the ticky-tack foul, and it not only hampers the quality of the games in the league, but it has a direct impact on outcomes. Those of you who have been around ATQ for awhile have heard me say that the basketball officiating in this conference is far worse that the football officiating. We've seen Larry Scott take dramatic steps to fix this on the football side. Here's hoping that the basketball side will be soon to follow.
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With all due respect
I feel this column overlooks the principal reason why this call was so awful.
Yes, it was a bad call. However, the official did not blow his whistle until the Colorado player complained. Three replays confirmed this.
As someone who has officiated basketball for multiple years, he committed the cardinal sin of officiating: he let others influence the game.
Does anyone have a link to highlights of the game or video of the last foul.
We were listening to Jerry because FSN hates Montana, so I’ve heard the commentary, but haven’t seen the actual play.
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CGB has the video
start at about the 1:23 mark
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Thanks!
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by Duckfanatic10 on Feb 6, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Wow, that was the first time I'd seen it.
Just incredible.
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@ the 43 second mark of the video there's another crap call
though this one went Oregon’s way as the ref on an Oregon fast break assumed Johnathan Lloyd must have been fouled as he went to the basket. (And made by the same ref, by the way)
by ConfofChamps on Feb 6, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
there were a ton of crap call on both sides of the ball
the last second call is just a symptom of the larger problem
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One more thing about your article.
In both previous instances, they didn’t cause the other team to LOSE the game. The foul calls and resulting free throws caused the game go to overtime.
In this particular instance it caused Oregon to LOSE the game by free throw.
I agree with everything in both of your hands by the way. Now hopefully we can wash them and start fresh Thursday.
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Im noticing a common thread in your two examples.
For me, I’m just having a hard time understand how one conference can have such laughable officiating in every single sport. And not just bad, but inconsistent. You see tons of games with no calls the first half and everything the second half. I can’t speak too much to the ducks game since the only play I saw was that very last one. The conference’s referees hav become national punchline, which is unacceptable for a league that is trying to become the premier league in the nation. And sorry for any typos, typing this on my phone.
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by Coug999 on Feb 6, 2012 10:09 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Rule #1 of officiating:
You don’t call what you don’t see.
That ref should have his license yanked, assuming there is such a thing as a licensure program in this conference.
Generally, though, clown shows are not organized under the auspices of a certifying authority, and there’s no Mike Pereira available to shame anyone, so my prediction is that once again incompetence will be, at best, unpunished.
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My thoughts:
I caught the radio version of the game, so I was unable to watch the play until today. After reading all of the commentary and hearing Jerry’s play by play, I had an expectation of how the play went down and what kind of foul it was. Suffice it to say, I wasn’t expecting to see what actually happened. I still disagree with the call as a whole, but not like I expected to.
First thought is, that was a foul. Not on the hand at the shot, cause that was all ball (in pausing and starting, I actually got lucky and had a freeze frame of the moment Singler’s hand made contact and it really is ALL ball). But the contact with the body before the shot is clearly a block by Singler. He hadn’t established position when the CU player comes through the lane. With the foul situation, I believe it would have set up for at least one free throw, maybe two. Unfortunately, it’s clear the referee called the contact on the shot, not on the drive.
A quick sidebar on that: I disagree wholeheartedly with KevinRileyFTW above that
the official did not blow his whistle until the Colorado player complained.Two things on that: First, no official, unless he is anticipating contact (which he should not do), blows his whistle and raises his hand at the time of contact. There is always a slight delay while they “process” the information and then react to it. The pause is not so egregious that I would doubt he did call what he saw, whether right or wrong. Secondly, at no time does he look at the ballhandler after the “foul”. Watching his eyes, he follows the ball as he goes up to shoot, sees the contact, looks at his partner (who is located at the freethrow line on the opposite side of the court) as he’s blowing his whistle, looks at Singler, then looks back at his partners as he’s pointing to the basket. But enough on that.
Finally, regarding again the play as a whole. Despite the fact that it was a blocking foul (and I have no doubt about that), I still would question him calling it (and would be fine either way with his no call on that). However, to call a foul on the shot when it’s not clear if it was all ball or not is a mistake. As our referees pool consistently harps upon, “don’t put yourself in a position where you decide the game.” He should have let the players play and decide it on the floor, not at the line.
There ya go, my two cents, which is slowly becoming even more worthless than it already was thanks to the American Dollar’s demise.
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Pennies should be banned. They’re just dumb. Get rid of them, make the smallest change increment a nickel, and use the pennies slot for them dollar coins.
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I appreciate that the first response to my essay is regarding the final, inconsequential sentence.
And yes, I agree wholeheartedly. Nothing is more annoying than getting 9 pennies back and having to store them til you get home.
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by Duckfanatic10 on Feb 6, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
But the contact with the body before the shot is clearly a block by Singler.
I disagree. It depends on the official, but that was a very small body bump that did not stop the forward progress of the ball handler. That’s a no call the vast majority of the time.
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It didn't totally stop his forward motion, but it did slow him down and knock him a bit off balance
which is a block. You’re right that it definitely depends on the official as some would let it go, though I don’t think it’s let go a vast majority of the time. When a player is going full speed on a fast break like that, refs seem to call anything that impedes their forward progress or knocks them off balance.
And like I said, concerning the situation, I appreciated the no call.
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by Duckfanatic10 on Feb 6, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a no call the vast majority of the time.
While this is true, this is why I could see him calling that, because there clearly was contact. As ticky tack of a call that may be, and clearly instigated by the CU player, that is a fairly uncontroversial call most of the time, when the game isn’t on the line.
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It really doesn't matter who instigates the contact in that situation, if the defender hasn't established position.
But I agree.
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by Duckfanatic10 on Feb 6, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, and should have left that out
But I included it because despite what the rule is, when the offensive player instigates the contact, they may be more likely to not call the foul. I know it’s splitting hairs, and meaningless, but I think the only reason this is even remotely controversial is due to the time remaining on the clock.
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Fair enough.
Either way, what a terrible way to end a game.
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by Duckfanatic10 on Feb 6, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
For the record, Olu didnt get touched on his and-1 where he missed his free throw right before that. they guessed on that call too.
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As long as we're putting everything on the record here,
The calls Saturday night were pitifully bad literally the entire night long. It was not just this call. There were literally dozens of fouls called throughout the game that were horrendous. It got so bad that ultimately, the phantom foul call on EJ at the very end came as no surprise at all. It was completely expected that unless the dude got a free lane to head to the hoop as time expired, he would have attracted a foul. It was completely foreseen by everyone who had spent any time watching the game, and that foresight was confirmed with one of the most blatant misuses of a ref’s authority with a whistle that I’ve ever seen in my entire life.
Just a complete and utter shame, and I would like it very much if every single one of those chumps working the game Saturday night would never be hired to officiate a basketball game at any level in the future so that we might prevent this fiasco from happening again.
Things like that.
I don't think the word inconsistency applies here.
Especially since Pac-12 officiating ranges from plain fucking bad to flat-out fucking terrible. That ranginess could be a form of inconsistency though. Carry on.
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by baseb3383 on Feb 6, 2012 4:44 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I'm both carrying on and recing on
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This is an excellent post, and while many of the comments can't be broadcast,
the larger issue is that we have an officating problem.
What’s the best way to get that on Larry Scott’s agenda?
I didn't see the game, so I'm going off just the post and the video
from CGB, but I don’t see the point in getting worked up over one call. I don’t see a lot of ranting and raving about missed free throws, or turnovers, or offensive rebounds and those things contribute much greater to a loss than any one call. And for those that say, but it wasn’t just the one call, it was all game, there were 43 fouls called (probably just as many other calls like out of bounds, travelling, etc) and I doubt the refs were as bad as the Ducks were from the FT line (58%) or missed 14 total calls (number of Duck turnovers).
Now, I’m not defending Pac 12 refs, we all know they’re bad, but this team can’t use the excuse that the ref cost them this game. Oregon does more damage to itself than any one ref could ever do. Basketball is a fast paced game, and refs struggle to get calls right at every level (look at how many people complain about the NBA refs, and they’re supposed to be the best). I just think it’s too easy when watching basketball today to point to one play, and say, “if the refs hadn’t done this or that, we would have won that game” and rarely is that actually true. I’d much rather this team just say, “if we hadn’t done this or that, we would have never been in a position to lose that game.”
Unfortunately, that’s not the way it works in basketball. So instead…SCREW THESE REFS, THEY’RE TERRIBLE, THEY LOST US THIS GAME. RAAEEEEGGGGGGGG
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I don't think we can use the point that "We didn't lose the game from one call."
I see what you’re getting at MD, but for all our sloppy playing and poor free throw shooting we were tied with .1 seconds left and headed for overtime. I’m not sitting here saying we deserved to win the game running away, even looking at stats I say we lose that game handily, but we gave ourselves a chance for overtime with all the momentum. That god-awful foul call (I am both a former basketball player and current referee) from even an unbiased viewpoint denied the guys who worked their asses off to get us back into the game a chance at a huge win. The referees essentially put the outcome of the game into their own hands and as a basketball fan I find that egregious. Let the kids decide the game themselves.
by FromAutzenWithLove on Feb 6, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
The referees essentially put the outcome of the game into their own hands and as a basketball fan I find that egregious
Not true, Olu missing that free throw took the game from Oregon’s hand. You think CU gets a fast break and a point blank shot that Singler has to contest if he makes that FT and Oregon gets to set up their D? If we’re going off what was in Oregon’s hand and their control, making that FT meant more than what any referee might or might not have called. You have to take care of what you can control, and making free shots with the game on the line is way more in Oregon’s control than what a ref sees.
But again, we’re talking about just one play, and a basketball game is way more than that.
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But again, we’re talking about just one play, and a basketball game is way more than that.
That one play also decided the game and it wasn’t in open play…
by FromAutzenWithLove on Feb 6, 2012 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think I addressed that fairly
On one hand, it never should have gotten to that situation. If Oregon had made a couple more free throws, another field goal, made one more stop. If Oregon had taken care of business, the game never would have gotten to that point.
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I'd feel better had they just let it go to overtime and Oregon lose then
But to end it on a freethrow, is, in my opinion, super lame
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unless Oregon would have been in CUs place
and while it would have felt cheap, it still would have been a W
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