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Why Tom Hansen Will Cost Oregon or Arizona State a National Championship

Update [2007-10-29 20:24:11 by Dave]: : A last minute deal was announced today. The game will be televised nationally on ESPN. But don't think that this issue is over. The underlying issues are still a big problem, and aren't going away anytime soon.

The biggest game in the country will take place in Eugene this weekend.  A clash of the titans. #4 vs. #6--in November, no less.  There will be not just conference championship--but national championship implications.  On one side you will see a legitimate Heisman trophy contender lead the nation's number two offense.  On the other, you will see a surprise undefeated, led by one of the nation's star coaches, who have been, thus far one of the most balaced teams in the country.  The winner controls their own destiny for the Rose Bowl, and has a legitimate shot to play in New Orleans.  College GameDay will be there.  It is the kind of late season game that college football fans dream of.

Its such a shame that they won't be able to see it.

That's right football fans, there will be no national coverage of the game.  Unless you are one of the lucky few who get Comcast SportsNet Northwest or Fox Sports Arizona, you will not be seeing this game.

That's right, the geniuses at Pac-10 headquarters have an awesome national slate for you instead.  On ABC, you can see Oregon State take on USC.  For the Fox Sports national game, you will see a pathetic Washington State team take on a taking Cal team.  The two best teams in the conference?  The BCS contenders?  The national title contenders?  Nowhere to be found.

You see, ABC and Fox Sports chose their matchups for this weekend before the season started, when they thought that SC and Cal would be the leagues best teams.  No problem, right?  Surely in a circumstance like this, one that is clearly in the best interest of the league, one of these games could be switched?  Nope.  Because these schools "have already been promised TV money, and it wouldn't be fair to not give them that."  So the Pac-10 is not going to give fans the best possible product.

What's worse?  Polls and Heisman awards are all about exposure.  Bigger names, names that are seen more get more votes in the polls.  Heismans are won on moments.  When a player steps up in a big game for the whole world to see.

Its a big game, but no one will see.

What makes this whole thing ridiculous is what's riding on it.  The lack of exposure could cost Dennis Dixon a Heisman Trophy.  Even worse:  it could cost Arizona State or Oregon a national championship.

The Pac-10's TV contract is beyond bad.  There are two, or if we are lucky, three "national" games.  One is the ABC game.  That will be shown regionally.  One or two will be on Fox Sports, like last week's USC game.  Those are often pre-empted in many markets for local baseball, basketball, and hockey.  Occasionally, we will have a "national" game on Versus.  Who the hell gets Versus?

Why do we have Fox Sports over ESPN?  Especially when ESPN has several networks, that can allow for multiple games from the same conference on at the same time IN EVERY CABLE AND SATELLITE HOUSEHOLD IN THE NATION?  Becuase Fox Sports will show more volleyball and softball, that's why.  Yes, that is seriously the reason that the Pac-10 gives--volleyball and freaking softball.

If that's not bad enough, a lot of game aren't even shown locally.  See, the Pac-10 has "exclusivity."  Meaning that if a "national" game is on (and, for reasons stated above, the "national" is highly dubious),  no other Pac-10 games can be shown at that time, not even in the town of the college.  Even though Oregon does a broadcast for all its games, we had to see the Stanford and Washington State games on tape delay due to this ridiculous rule.

We are the Conference of Champions.  We are the top all around athletic conference in the nation.  We encompass more major television markets than any conference in America.

Yet, the WAC has a better TV contract.

The leadership in charge of this conference is a total joke.  There is a reason that East Coast Bias exists--and its because nobody east of Arizona ever sees our games.  It is beyond time for the current regime to go.  I don't know how a woefully inadequate Tom Hansen has managed to keep his job for so long, but yesterday is not soon enough to fire him.  We need somebody with vision.  Somebody who will not let our great conference struggle for even adequate regional coverage.

Sadly, that isn't going to happen.  And it could cost us big.

GO DUCKS!!!

--Dave

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I know the SEC does this, but it would be nice to see the Pac-10 have a six or 12 day selection window. Since the SEC has four possible channels (the ESPNs, CBS, Lincoln Financial, which is like a FSN), they have to pick the games at least 12 days ahead of time. Twice a year, CBS gets a six day window in case there are two possible good games.
I absolutely apologize for bring SEC propaganda to your board, but like you said, this decision is on a national level. East coast people want to see if Dixon or ASU is legit, and the one we all saw, Oregon lost to Cal.
Also, by "promised TV money", does that mean the contract money is not spread evenly?
mlmintampa; Alligator Army

by mlmintampa on Oct 28, 2007 10:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

forehead smacking idiocy
Far be it from me to speak for the USC AD, but SC has plenty of  television money already - you can have the damn t.v. spot as far as I am concerned.

Whether or not it's a question of "the best product" - the game may or may not be good - it's the most relevant game of the week for the conference. There's no excuse for not airing it.

FWIW, I do get Versus, not that it made me any happier to see the Stanford game.

About the only way that I'm likely to see this is if the local Nationals / Orioles channel (don't ask) picks up the Comcast Sports feed, which they sometimes do.)

by DC Trojan on Oct 29, 2007 6:25 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Possible time change?
Just saw this on an ASU blog.  They claim their are rumors the game might move to a 12.30 kickoff to allow for an ABC broadcast.  It was posted last night at 8.30, and this is the only word I have heard about it...Seems like wishful thinking.

by ntrebon on Oct 29, 2007 7:09 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After reading this over twice...
as well as the comments, I can't believe nobody has said it.

FUCK TOM HANSEN!

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on Oct 29, 2007 7:37 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The game is on Fox too, isn't it?
I heard on Friday that Fox Sports Northwest is picking up the game too, so everyone will be able to see it locally. Is that not true? I hope so because I can get the new Comcast channel.

by nwsportsfan on Oct 29, 2007 8:38 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The game is on Fox too, isn't it?
I read in the Oregonian and on Oregon Live that the game is on FSN Northwest.  Did I miss something?

But yes...Tom Hansen does suck @%$%@!

by Under8ed1 on Oct 29, 2007 9:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ABC/ESPN is trying to add the game
from usa today: scroll down to the on tap section of this article: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2007-10-28-NFL-London_N.htm

cross your fingers that tom hansen doens't f this one up

by dougall5505 on Oct 29, 2007 9:32 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

direct quote from article
"On tap:

For now, Saturday's college football game between No. 4 Arizona State and No. 5 Oregon -- in the BCS standings -- is only slated to get local TV coverage. But spokesman Mike Humes said ABC/ESPN will ask the Pacific-10 Conference today to let it add that game, likely for ESPN or ESPN2. ABC can sometimes add Pac-10 games 12 or six days in advance, Humes says, but needs to pick prime-time games before the season -- and picked Saturday's prime-time Oregon State-Southern California and UCLA at Arizona's Saturday afternoon homecoming. ... "
from usa today

by dougall5505 on Oct 29, 2007 9:41 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmmm interesting game afoot here if...
..this game can get into more households.

While I agree Hansen has been a disaster for the PAC--I do think that the title of the threadstarter is a little overdramatic--the winner of ASU/UO will likely jump to #2 in the BCS mostly thanks to the computers strength of schedule--and certainly if either team wins out they will qualify for the MNC game--ASU would certainly jump to #1 based on SOS.

by baal on Oct 29, 2007 11:15 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DuckSportsNews.com
Is reporting the game will be televised nationally on ESPN.  No other confirmation as of yet...

Also, I don't think the winner of the game will go up to #2 without losses.  The standings are becoming entrenched enough.  ASU has a shot because they are undefeated, but Oregon does not.  If ASU wins, they will jump BC for sure.

by jtlight on Oct 29, 2007 11:35 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice
That would be pretty huge to get a national broadcast.

As for the BCS, I think Oregon would need more help than ASU if they were to win the game this weekend.  As a one loss team, I am not sure they would jump ahead of undefeated OSU or BC.  And, in the human polls, I don't think Oregon would jump LSU...  

In my opinion, ASU would (deservedly so) make it to the top 2 by going undefeated with wins over Oregon, USC and UCLA -- regardless of how OSU, BC and LSU finish.

by ntrebon on Oct 29, 2007 11:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Moseley confirms
Moseley's blog says that UO officials have confirmed that the game will be televised nationally on ESPN with the original kickoff time.  It'll be blacked out in Oregon and Arizona with OSN and FSN-Arizona still airing it live.  Don't know what else went into it, whether some of the proposed swapping of games between ABC and FSN went on or not.  

Also, just now noticed the issues going on with Ryan Perilloux in Louisiana.  If it were to lead to him being let go, any thoughts on a) would you be willing to take on such a talented yet troubled player and b) would it be worth it to our program since we'll be opening spring practices with at least 6 QBs?  I think he'd have to sit a year as well.

by niko on Oct 29, 2007 11:49 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

happy now?
Now the entire nation can watch Oregon collapse in the 2nd half to Arizona State.  Oregon's AD and President sign off on the TV contracts for the Pac-10.  Oregon is one tenth of the problem if you don't like the TV contract. How could you think that two top 10 teams would not be on national TV?  Don't get your panties in a bunch...

by NorWest23 on Oct 29, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa...
Settle down, NorWhale. :o)
The reason why we could think that two top 10 teams would not be on national TV is because - THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE ON NATIONAL TV.

Even if Oregon collapses and loses to Arizona St, it is still good coverage. This game getting televised is the only chance that either team will be able to move forward, not just that, but this is the best opportunity the Pac-10 has to get two teams in the BCS bowl games.

What if Boston College didn't play their last game on nationally televised station? There is no WAY Matt Ryan would have received as much of a Heisman hype as he did.

The head scratching thing is that the games that were televised were about as important to the Pac-10 and national championship as the color of Lee Corso's socks tomorrow morning. (No offense intended to those teams, or Lee Corso's socks.)

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on Oct 29, 2007 3:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you must have been born in Oregon
Your comment: 'THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE ON NATIONAL TV."
I can't even believe I am replying to this, but for those of you arm chair quarterbacks from the lumber mills... these games are picked 4-5 months in advance by tv programmers who pick the games off of last year's finish and this year's projections, in June(june 20th to be exact). In June, the Oregon vs.ASU did not look like a 4 vs. 6 game. You are lucky it was elevated to FSN from Versus (both not in HD, but don't get me started).  
TV markets rule.  Did you know Los Angeles is the number two market in the country?  Have you used this new app called google maps?  USC is in LA... And when USC is in the top ten in post season and preseason poles the executives at the networks follow them. If you are not playing USC then you will go down the network ladder.
I think there are a lot of D-1 schools that would love to have GameDay on their campus once, let alone twice.  Oregon will get a lot of love this weekend and hopefully ESPN will invite Dixon or Stewart to the post game set for a chat.  Last time, DeSean Jackson, was on the set late into the night.  Did ABC carry that game nationally or regionally? Remember when Tedford dropped 31 points on you after four turnovers in the fourth quarter?  Come on guy, Oregon is a big time program, start acting like it.  You don't live in Corvallis.

by NorWest23 on Oct 30, 2007 12:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Colorado native, but thanks.
I am quite aware that the games are picked a head of time, that's fine and dandy. It wasn't the fact that it wasn't an Oregon game, it's that the game that was scheduled was a game between two struggling programs that have been projected by everyone to have a very bad seasons. Look at the games this weekend:

UCLA at ARIZONA, 12:30 MST (ABC)
ARIZONA STATE at OREGON, 12:30 PDT
WSU at CALIFORNIA, 7:00 PDT (FSN)
OSU at USC, 5:00 PDT (ABC or ESPN or ESPN2)
WASHINGTON at STANFORD, 12:30 PDT

If I there in June 20th, I'd pick Arizona St. @ Oregon, WSU @ California, or OSU @ USC.

Arizona St. also wasn't a big surprise this year, the most shocking thing was them beating Cal.

It also isn't just this ONE game. It's been ridiculous on how bad Tom Hansen has been for the Pac-10. Big games are getting played, and they aren't even scheduled to be shown live. Unproven teams get picked over a more qualified Pac-10 team for a bowl game. The thickheadedness of not even budging for a playoff system. This is the stuff he's suppose to be fighting for. Instead, he sees the Pac-10 schedule on June 20th, and throws an ABC dart, ESPN dart, and an FSN dart.

And if Oregon is a big time program (Which I agree that it is), then why aren't they getting better scheduled coverage? It's bullshit.

Also, if you don't believe that the commissioners of other conferences don't wheel and deal for better coverage in the middle of the season, that's pretty silly. Of course they do! That's why the SEC gets good games virtually every week, and why you really only see Ohio St play any game. ESPN had to ask to get the Arizona St. Oregon game. Tom Hansen should have been working on that 3 weeks ago.

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on Oct 30, 2007 7:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm optimistic
Seeing how the gameday crew is coming to Eugene for the game, i'd be absolutely amazed if the game were not televised nationally.  If that means shifting the game time, i don't think that'd be a huge deal.
More National TV games...don't make me pay $22/weekend to see my Ducks on TV in San Diego!

by saregister on Oct 29, 2007 12:45 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Daylight savings
I've got a question and it may be a dumb one but...with daylight savings kickin' in a week later than normal, won't it be dark when Gameday starts broadcasting?  How will that work out? Although, how bitch'n would Autzen look with some sweet lightage on the new O over the South entrance?  Hhhmmmm, me likey.

by misterO on Oct 29, 2007 6:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last time
Last time, they went live to Autzen during the 9am Sportscenter and it was still dark at Autzen.  Though it was light by 10am EST, it was really cool that it was still dark, damn early in the morning, and everyone was going friggin nuts.  

This time (I just looked) sunrise is at 7:51 AM, so I think that'll be pretty damn sweet to have sunrise during GameDay.

GO DUCKS!!

by jtlight on Oct 29, 2007 7:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much does Hansen love ESPN right now?
This is from Pac-10.org:

"The Pac-10 is grateful for the cooperation of FSN and ESPN to allow the Arizona State-Oregon game to be shown to a national audience," said Commissioner Tom Hansen. "They have proven to be great partners and the college football fans across the nation will be the winner."

Darn right the Pac-10 is grateful.  Tom, you should be grovelling to the powers that be at ESPN, thanking them profusely that they gave you an out this week from your RIDICULOUS TV contract.  Nothing like the worldwide leader to bail out your worthless behind.

Can we get a "Herbstreit for Pac-10 Commissioner" sign at GameDay?

Duck Life!

by GustyJ on Oct 29, 2007 7:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I said this in another thread, but
I'll requestion... what made Herbstreit suddenly, after YEARS of hate, give us the BOTD this year??? Him and Corso have been with us since the Cal game. What happened?!

by qrsouther on Oct 29, 2007 7:24 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm, we're awesome
that's what happened.

OK, so, I shouldn't be saying that just yet, but we're a really good team this year, and it's nice to have some recognition.

But it's time to step up and prove everyone right!

by jtlight on Oct 29, 2007 7:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Under8ed1
Wow...you guys are taking this WAY too far.

As of Friday BEFORE the USC game...the UO/ASU game was going to be shown in Oregon on FSN Northwest and NATIONWIDE on Fox College Sports.  Whatelse was there to debate?  The game is on National TV...

Let's move on to the game itself...

by Under8ed1 on Oct 30, 2007 8:55 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But... but...
Can I at least still say "Fuck Tom Hansen?"
Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on Oct 30, 2007 9:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
what, 2% of the nation can get that?

by jtlight on Oct 30, 2007 7:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sign the petition
Everyone on this blog needs to go sign the petition to replace the Pac-10 leadership on ipetition.com right now.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/pac10leadership/index.html

And go get all your buddies to do the same.  I have personally spoken with Tom Hansen (7 years ago for a graduate school project) and can tell you that we had to check his pulse 3-4 times in the course of our interview.  It is unfathomable that he is at the head of the most storied and successful athletic conference in the nation.  Please act so that we can move on to discussing more relevant topics.

-jd

by fletchf on Oct 30, 2007 9:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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