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My college football rage, in words

Update [2007-11-13 14:13:34 by Dave]: Bumped from the diaries. This topic is just too provocative not to give a feature spot to.--Dave

This season is once again going to end with a clusterf*%& at the top of the rankings with multiple teams claiming to have been shafted out of a shot at the national title.  This will invariably renew calls for a "+1 playoff system" or some other sort of one-and-done tournament for some of the top BCS teams.  When this discussion comes up it seems the pundits allow us but two options.  Tweak the BCS formula, like they do every year, or completely re-haul the BCS to include a playoff format.  To be straight here, I've always been a proponent of allowing conference winners to play in traditional bowl matchups and let the various poll voters of America decide who the best team is.  I think money and egos are what drove the creation of the BCS and wrecked and overwrote what was a 100+ year tradition.  

Some of the rational arguments in favor of a playoff system make sense.  In particular, I'm drawn to the argument that says it allows the Boise States and Utahs of the world a chance to compete against the big boys and play Cinderella.  In the previous and current systems, these guys had no chance at national titles and the only way to remedy that would be to allow a playoff.  This is the one valid point I admittedly have no defense for, especially since I don't have a vote in any sort of meaningful poll.  Had I a vote, Boise State might have been ranked higher last year.  

This one smaller point doesn't override the real reason behind a playoff system: the crowning of a true, undisputed national title winner.  I believe the affinity for this comes from what NCAA basketball has created with March Madness.  Four weeks of exciting basketball with everyone playing for their tourney lives.  On any given night, a highly ranked team can lose to a lower ranked team.  Upsets galore, abundant intrigue and a four week window where the only thing that matters is NCAA basketball.  You have to believe that NCAA football is envious of this, especially with the plethora of utterly meaningless bowl games.  But one description of the NCAA tourney jumps out at you: "upsets galore."  How are we really producing an undisputed national title contender if we're putting teams through another one-and-done tournament?  We already have something similar.  It's called "The Regular Season."  Think about what the playoff format has done to the NBA, with teams in the both sides of the bracket angling themselves for a favorable first-round matchups, or angling to get out of the Spurs bracket for as long as possible.  Think about the NFL, where we have games like Seahawks v. Packers in 2005.  The goal for NFL teams is to become one of those top six in your conference.  Think about a scenario where we're guaranteed our spot and seed in a playoff.  How conflicted would you feel if we benched Stewart and Dixon in Autzen against the Beavers because we'd rather they're ready to go against Va Tech in the first round of the playoffs?  

I'm not saying that the playoff system should be universally scrapped in sports.  It makes some sense to take the best teams and have them compete against each other because, as I said, it allows intrigue, upsets and excitement and then crowns a champion.  But the bowl system has long been something characteristically and uniquely College Football which brings up another one of my issues with the BCS.  The Rose Bowl has lost all of its prestige in today's system.  I'm not old enough to pine for the 50 years when we got to see Big Televen-Pac 10 in the Rose Bowl but I am old enough to long for the 10 years I got to see matchups like Washington-Michigan, Oregon-Penn State or Arizona State-Ohio State.  As a Duck fan this season, my worst nightmare is for the Ducks to earn "just" a Rose Bowl berth.  I say give us back our traditional bowl matchups.  

Another problem that will have to be dealt with when/if a playoff system is implemented is the issue of selection.  The whole system will have to be revamped to not allow things like #4 Ohio State (9-2), #6 Notre Dame (9-2) and #7 Georgia (10-2) being selected in favor of #5 Oregon(10-1).  In particular, the Notre Dame clause will have to go.  But do we then simply go with the top 6 or 8 or 10 or 12 teams?  As we know, it's pretty hard for those mid-major teams to crack the higher ranks of the BCS, all but eliminating the one argument in favor of the BCS I agreed with.  Boise State finished 8th last year.  Does anyone believe that college football would allow for 3 weeks of playoffs, which would allow for a full 8 teams to complete?  No, last year Boise State would have most likely been shut out of the most discussed playoff system, which would only feature the top-4 teams.  

The old system of poll voters declaring a national title winner had/has its own flaws and most are rooted in the error of human perception.  The SEC is better, so 7-3 Florida is better than 9-1 Boise State.  Kansas has no losses and is from a "BCS Conference", so has played superior competition when compared to, say, Hawaii (not necessarily so, when all is said and done).  I say rather change the system you need to try and change the way voters use their votes.  Let's stop ranking teams in tiers based on their W-L and instead incorporate W-L into your thinking of who is a better team.  Every year we read articles about how so many teams are essentially knocked from the race for a national title because they lose late in the year as opposed to early.  Guess what, as a writer you have the power to change this.  If you really believed that Ohio State was better than Arizona State but worse than West Virginia before they lost to Illinois, that shouldn't have changed.  Obviously this argument runs both ways but that's what has always made college football unique.  The title winners in this particular sport have always been decided through a combination of opinion and win-loss records.  The BCS changed this by first turning it into a calculation rather than a vote and now by trying to turn it into a playoff system.  I feel that before we make the headlong push to follow the format adopted by all other major sports, we should take a moment to consider what we're quickly leaving behind.  I doubt we'll ever return to the old system, no matter how many national title controversies we have to endure but we should keep in perspective what we're running from when we're deciding what we should be running to.  

Poll
What do you think?
I like the old bowl system. Rose Bowl in '09!
4 votes
The BCS is on the right path. Give it time.
2 votes
January Jamboree here we come (as opposed to March Madness)
15 votes
Less Fat!
0 votes
More Meat!
2 votes

23 votes | Poll has closed

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that's a lot of ground.  I wrote something last year that said if we were not going to have a playoff, then we should just go back to the old system.  The current BCS is just a cluster** somewhere in the middle.

Keep in mind, we'd have a plus one playoff right now if not for Tom Hansen.  That said, you aren't advocating for a playoff here.

College football has been unique in its history in that there is more to play for than just a championship.  The only real best way to determine the best team is to have teams play X number of games, and the team with the best record is the best team.  Baseball did this for years in the early days.  The problem is that sports are a business, and there isn't much intrigue when the Yankees have clinched a championship and there are still fifteen games to go in the season.  That's what playoffs are all about, is creating intrigue and excitement.  If one is misled into thinking that the best team always wins, just look at the '06 World Series, which was won by the Cardinals (the worst playoff team that year).  Oklahoma was better than Boise State last year, and probably wins that game 5/6 times, but it only takes one...

Personally, I'm a playoff man because, to be quite honest, we watch sports more for excitement and intrigue than anything else.  But if we're not going to go all out playoff, I'd rather go back to the old system.  Forgive me if I still want the Rose Bowl to mean something.

by Addicted to Quack on Nov 13, 2007 11:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Despite what some people think of him
I think Peter King's rating system of his Fine Fifteen gets the point you're trying to make: don't look at the W-L record in black and white.  Instead imagine placing two teams on a neutral field and assuming who you think would win.  Winner gets the higher ranking.

Do that for 25 teams and you have rankings that aren't necessarily based on a simple W-L record.  Diversify that among enough sportswriters and you have a fairly good set of "human" calculations about who the consensus best teams in the nation are.

Aside from all that, my personal view is that you can keep the BCS (or some hybrid of it that takes the polls and W-L records into account) and still have a playoff.  Think of NASCAR's Chase or the PGA's new FedEx Cup: you determine who the top teams are in the sport, then pit them against eachother.  Hell, on a larger degree, isn't this what happens every March with the Selection Committee?  There are always teams "on the bubble" or "shut out", but no matter what system you choose or how much you expand it, you're always going to have that.  Anyway...

In this method, you keep the 4 major BCS bowls (Rose: Pac10-Big10, Orange:ACC-BigEast, Sugar: SEC-Big12, and Fiesta at-large) allowing the 4 major conference champs and 2 at-large teams.  Winners move on in a single-elim format and you get a clear-cut National Champion.  Traditional bowl games remain intact (for the most part) and you still leave the door open for big performers from outside the power conferences.  Basically, it's the BCS with 3 extra games.

There's no incentive to sitting your superstars for the final game of the season, because that could possibly drop you out of the top-8 (remember, you'd have to either win your conference or be one of the 2 at-large teams).

Of course, all that said, there are holes everywhere.  Then again, the focus of this diary was to point out the holes in both the BCS and a straight playoff system, right? ;-)

Go Ducks.  Go Vols.  I'm hoping for the universe to come full-circle on Dec. 1st when a National-title-bound LSU squad gets upset by The Big Orange.  I'm still pissed by 2001.  Dreams, dreams...

by SnoConeGod on Nov 13, 2007 2:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Lukewarm
The system is lukewarm right now. It's neither fair, accurate, or reasonable.

No matter what choice is made, there will be a significant percentage of people that will be unhappy. Most long-time college football fans (Defined as anyone that watched prior to the BCS) will want to go back to how it was with each bowl being something each team wants to strive for. Most fans of the BCS era want to know who has the best team in the country.

There are too many variables, and too many opinions to create a good system people will agree on.

In Div I-A you have:
119 teams
11 Conferences
5 Conference Championship games
32 Bowl Games

Then you have big time programs like Notre Dame, who refuses to join a conference and demand to have special rules so they aren't left out.

They all have history. They all have tradition. They all have pride.

In a playoff system, you're asking to throw out the tradition of over 100 teams. In the old system, you're asking to leave the "national champion" title to a bunch of polls that stirs up the pot of "West Coast Bias vs. East Coast Bias".

What we have right now though is a solution to both "problems" without actually solving the "problems".

If I had a choice, and I know most everyone will disagree with me, but I'd overhaul the whole thing. Either send up one Div II team , or send down 19 Div I-A teams. Have 10-12 conferences of 10 teams, each team plays their whole conference. The winners of the conferences go to the playoffs, with 4-6 wild card teams.

Perfect? No. But it's the best, and most fair system I could think up in 3 minutes.

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on Nov 13, 2007 2:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oops
Yeah, I posted the wrong one. The one you linked to is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

by jtlight on Nov 14, 2007 5:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Rose Bowl is just a stadium
College football has plenty of traditions besides bowl games.
The Civil War
The Big Game
All of the stupid trophies they play for in the Big 10
Old Rivalries in every conference
Upsets, especially this year
Big 12 coaches acting like jackasses
Hating Notre Dame
Army/Navy

A couple of traditions that we should run away from...
Polls
Coaches using polls to communicate something other than their thoughts on who the best teams are
Coaches ballots being filled out by somebody other than the coach
Bitching about polls
Bitching about some sort of bias
Hoping that a some team that may otherwise be a nice story loses so our team can take advantage
The #4 seed from some conference playing the #3 seed from another conference in the same bowl game every year.

Personally, I think that all conferences need to wrap it up by the end of Thanksgiving weekend (or maybe the week after), seed 16 teams, and play it off in December and early January.  Put the semifinals on Jan. 1 so we have something to watch over the holiday, because as with March Madness, the semifinals often give us the best games.  And put the semifinal and championship games on neutral sites so the geezers can call them 'bowl' games.

Don't get me wrong... I love history.  I love tradition.  I loved being there when Oregon lost to Penn State.  That's why ESPN Classic, The History Channel, and DVD's were invented.  But the 15 games of a NCAA Football National Championship tournament would each be a hell of a lot more exciting than the 32 bowl games that, except for a few, go unnoticed.  There will be plenty of money available to pay off whoever needs to be paid off to make this happen.

So, screw tradition.  After all, there is nothing special about Pasedena in January.

by engeljd on Nov 13, 2007 8:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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