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My Thoughts on the Whole Mascot Incident

Shortly after the Houston game, I posted a video of this incident between the Duck and the Cougar:






Most of us weren't really sure what to make of it.  After all, we've all seen mascot fights before.  They're often planned before a game or series.  I've been to Civil War basketball games in Eugene where the Duck beats up the Beaver, and then in Corvallis seen vice versa.  They always clearly planned out beforehand.  With the Houston incident, most of us thought that it was planned out, except that it was much more violent than anything we've ever seen before, so you had to wonder if there was something there.

Well, it turns out that there was something there.  Apparently, there were two separate incidents involving two separate students in the Duck costume.  They took exception to the Cougar doing pushups--a Duck trademark, and proceeded to beat his ass.  Twice.  

Pat Kilkenny obviously wasn't pleased with this, especially in light of recent fan incidents at Autzen.  He suspended both students involved, and will not allow the Duck mascot to appear at all this weekend against Fresno State.

This is old news.  I saw this on Tuesday or so, and didn't think I was really going to post anything about it.  But then something interesting happened:  this video has become an internet phenomenon.  Its been the subject of stories around the blogosphere, and even appeared on Yahoo's main page today.

The immediate reaction from the Autzen crowd was a cheering roar.  Even now, I've heard reactions from Duck fans ranging anywhere to "That's the funniest thing I've ever seen" to "The cougar got what it deserved."  Me, I'm not quite sure what to make of it.  There is an element of humor to the video.  Two people in giant oversized animal costumes is hilarious.  I just wish I was watching this video and it was another school's mascot instead of my own.

There is the thought that any publicity is good publicity.  While Oregon has gotten plenty of publicity this week with the Michigan win, this video will catch the eyes of a lot of people who aren't college football fans and don't have any knowledge about the University of Oregon.  And this is my concern.

The mascot is a representation of our University.  There are several roles that he must play.  The Duck is certainly a cheerleader.  But, most importantly, the person in the Duck costume is an ambassador.  Not only of our athletic programs, but our University as a whole.

I know children who are too young to understand football who go to Autzen and watch the Duck all day.  On television, the Duck is the single most recognizable figure, more so than any of the coaches or players.  The Duck set a very bad example for those children, and reflected a very poor image on the University.  Through negligence on the part of the people in the costume, the Duck did not do its job.  In my opinion, the people in the costume gave up their right to wear it when they crossed that line.

Few dispute that these people should have been suspended.  The more contentous issue among Duck fans is that the mascot itself was suspended for the Fresno State game.  Most people assume that suspending the students was enough, why in the world was our beloved mascot taken away for a whole game?

The answer, again, lies with image.  Most people, as dumb as it may sound, cannot separate the Duck as a character from the person inside the costume. To some, its not the person inside the costume that did this, its the Duck that did this.  And while that sounds completely crazy, think about it for a second, and given the idiots that we have in this world, it really shouldn't surprise you at all.  There is also the issue of children making that disctinction as well.  For that reason alone, Kilkenny had to do this.

We know that our Duck is the coolest mascot in all of sports.  Its not even close.  But we want to make sure that our mascot is known for fun things, not for being a thug.  Within a few weeks, this whole thing will pass and no one will remember it.  If you're going to the game this weekend, by the end of the season you won't even remember that the Duck wasn't there.

But Kilkenny had to send a clear message that this can never happen again.  And that's what he did.  After all, we don't want our school and our fans to be known as the school that takes sports too far.  Save that for Sooner Nation.  As we learned last year, they'll do more than enough to make themselves look like the most ridiculous fans in football.

GO DUCKS!!!

--Dave

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Sorry Dave, but I can't agree with you on this one.  In the video I had seen, the Houston mascot was running at full speed and hit the Duck square in the middle of the back along the sideline.  I've seen some of the very "play-fighting" you're referring to in the past, but clearly a line was crossed when the unsuspecting mascot was leveled from behind.  That's not play fighting, and in my book, is more than enough reason to unload on the idiot.

I'm in California, and hadn't heard anything about the student suspensions until you had mentioned it, and I have no problem with that one bit.  But to take the mascot away is just ludicrous.

As a special side note, on a local Sacramento news station this morning, they showed a bit of the clip, but said nothing of the context or the suspension news.  The idiot reporter was quick to point out to us unwashed masses that it was the WSU mascot recieving a beat down.  Way to go local news station!  Check your facts next time eh?!?

Dan Fouts is a douche!

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 13, 2007 1:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Kilkenny said
that it was the Duck who started the incident.  There were actually two incidents, and the Duck started it first, according to reports I've heard.

by David Piper on Sep 13, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pushups
Was this really all over pushups?  I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but pushups aren't exactly a "trademark" activity.  My friends down here at UH tell me Shasta (or Sasha, couldn't tell which one it was) does pushups during games, too.

Of course, I don't really care about UH, my main team is K-State.  And Willie the Wildcat does pushups after every score.  I've seen numerous mascots do pushups after scores at different venues around the country.  I can't figure out why the Cougar mascot doing pushups was that upsetting to the students who played the Duck.  Pushups aren't that unique.

Now if somebody stole Willie's "K-S-U" cheer or mocked it, then I'd say there was a beef.  But probably nothing that required violence.

We'll carry the banner high!

by TB on Sep 13, 2007 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I think not.
Like I said above...the video clip I saw had shown the Houston mascot steamrolling the duck from the behind.  Once the Duck picked him/herself up, that's when the final beating occurred, I believe.  
Dan Fouts is a douche!

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 13, 2007 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes Push Ups
I was at the game in the student section and it seemed very clear that the cougar was going out onto the field to aggravate the fans.  

In the first incident, Donald was at the west entrance to the field and the boos from the student section caught his attention.  He went straight over to the cougar to stop him but the push ups were already over.  They pushed each others heads back  and forth and that was that.  I have to say I was so proud.  I felt like the mascot had our back.

The second incident was brought on by the cougar going out again.  Donald was waiting this time and that is what is on camera.  

This isn't the first time Donald has been in a fight either.  If you recall, in the opening round of the NCAA tournament in 2003 against Utah, their mascot came out and interrupted our cheerleaders half-time show.  Donald put the beat down on him for disrespecting our University.

To me, it felt like George Teague hitting T.O. for going out to pose on the star.  Sure he shouldn't have done it but at the same time someone had to.

p.s.  The cougar did pushups on the sidelines for the rest of the game.

by billynitro on Sep 13, 2007 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Push ups
I had the misfortune of sitting in the USC section at Autzen when Palmer was their QB.  The USC male cheerleaders did push ups for ever USC point.  He ended up doing a lot of push ups and I had to move to a friendlier place.

The mascot thing made PTI today too.  Are mascots role models?

by tominhawaii on Sep 13, 2007 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Asking the wrong question...
Perhaps a better question would be...Is ESPN even relevant?  Ever since they turned to music videos and that damn, "Who's Now" charade, I've stopped watching.  
Dan Fouts is a douche!

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 13, 2007 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still like PTI
And I get most of my sports from ESPN since I'm 6 hours behind the East coast and 3 hours behind you guys.  Since I don't have Tivo, ESPN is all I have.

by tominhawaii on Sep 14, 2007 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

How it went down
I was at the game and sitting pretty close to all of this. Oregon got off to an early lead and the Duck started doing pushups as usual at Oregon games. BTW, its not a trademark move. I remember the cheerleaders doing pushups in high school and I've seen it in countless other football games. Anyway, when Houston scored, the Cougar started to do pushups right in front of the student section. Not to be outdone, the duck started pushing him around a bit. Later in the game the Cougar was doing pushups again and thats when the Duck came out and kick the Coug over. The rest you see on the video. It was a bit overboard on the Duck's side because it wasn't even a fight. It was a one-sided beatdown. Kind of like what the ducks will do to the bulldogs on saturday.

by albanyduck on Sep 13, 2007 6:50 PM PDT reply actions  

my bad
I knew that the pushups are done almost everywhere.  Bad use of the word trademark on my part.

by David Piper on Sep 13, 2007 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the first time I laughed so hard tears
... were coming out of my eyes.  The video was funny enough, (the waggle of the tail gets me) but I lost it when reading Dave's explanation at the point of "beat his ass twice."  I was pounding the table, my throat was getting sore,tears, running out of my eyes, my bod was under so much stress, for a few moments I worried I might kill myself this way so I laid down.

If the Duck got clotheslined and the couger was in front of uo student section egging them on, I would think the solution would be for the cat to stay on his/her side of the field. Problem solved.

As for children, it presents and excellent opportunity for parents to teach their kids 3 lessons:  1. learn good social skills, 2. learn how to defend yourself.  3. Don't piss off the Duck.

Go Ducks!

by mrwonderfull on Sep 13, 2007 11:50 PM PDT reply actions  

C'mon
"I know children who are too young to understand football who go to Autzen and watch the Duck all day.  On television, the Duck is the single most recognizable figure, more so than any of the coaches or players.  The Duck set a very bad example for those children, and reflected a very poor image on the University.  Through negligence on the part of the people in the costume, the Duck did not do its job.  In my opinion, the people in the costume gave up their right to wear it when they crossed that line."

You mean to tell me children aren't exposed to all sorts of violence in the media and in the cartoons they watch? Sit down in front of the television on a Saturday morning or grab a classic DVD of some old cartoons like the Roadrunner getting bombed, squished, flattened and otherwise pummeled. Violence is a fact of modern life and football itself is, indeed, a pretty violent sport.

by astroman on Sep 14, 2007 12:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Excellent Point....
As an experiment some years ago, I counted each act of violence of an then popular evening cartoon kiddie show. And divided the total into the total number of seconds in the half show minus commercials.  How many seconds would you guess elapsed between those violent acts would you guess...

3.5 seconds..

Go Ducks!

by mrwonderfull on Sep 15, 2007 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

More to this Video...
I just watched an uncut version of the second clash via comcast.net and it confirms that the Couger started the second round of the brawl.  The Duck was  looking up at the audience and the Couger tackles the Duck from behind. The Duck was the first back up and of course admirably defended himself.
Go Ducks!

by mrwonderfull on Sep 15, 2007 2:43 AM PDT reply actions  

This version was contrived to make the duck look
... as bad ass as possible. All the more funny or repulsive depending on your point of view.
Go Ducks!

by mrwonderfull on Sep 15, 2007 2:45 AM PDT reply actions  

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